At least 31 pro-government fighters and 17 terrorists of ISIS were killed in clashes along the Homs-Deir Ezzor highway during the last week , the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported on January 23.
Units of the Syrian Arab Army 5th Corps, the National Defense Forces and the Palestinian al-Quds Brigade kicked off a large-scale combing operation to secure the highway, known as the M20, exactly one week ago.
According to the SOHR, warplanes of the Russian Aerospace Forces have so far carried out 130 airstrikes on ISIS cells in eastern Homs and western Deir Ezzor to support the operation.
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The operation was launched in response to ISIS attacks on troops and civilians traveling on the M20. Last month, 25 people were killed when the terrorists ambushed a bus near the town of Kabbajb.
Syrian government forces are currently conducting a similar combing operation against ISIS cells in the western Deir Ezzor countryside.
These operations may limit the movement of ISIS cells and inflict some losses on the terrorist group. However, more serious measures will likely be needed to put an end to the group’s presence in Syria’s central region.
Ypg is also smashing regime soldiers in Qamıshlo(Halko) right now..poor resistance.
Russia say stop war Ypg and SAA
Insolent wanks trying to make out after 130 airstrikes isis is superior? Get your hand off it turdson!
Many here will be loathe to admit it, but – man for man – Islamists are more effective fighters than government conscripts.
You very it seems. Where are the Shiite fighters who are always making noises about how brave and powerful they are? Here’s a battle they can fight and prove to the world that they are what they claim to be. Even if America were to leave the Middle East today, I’ve come to the conclusion that Iran is incapable of defeating the Sunni forces of that region. See how the Syrian Sunni rebels kicked their Shiite asses before Russia came in and saved them.
Usa(some clever laboratory men) also supplying Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) to ısıs fighters+listening nasheed(islamic song):ultimate combo.
Explains hitlers explosive head start in ww2,and that nearly did the trick, if only vaccines had some of this sht,gee them covid pharmas are stupid. How often the genitiles would come back for more of the same.
Making new vaccines takes time and is much more complicated.
New wars makes no probpems and solutions. So many australians did by the moskito and they finally got enough medicine.
West also saved many lives suddenly having enough penicillin.
Germans invented tantrum vaccine
Almost everyone can make several kinds of speed. There is no need for experts.
I dont know, but I have only heard ISIS now and then has used hashed. Maybee its hashes too.
Not from what I seen,after 2015 anyway,yet such had the weapons needed,i saw raw footages,conversely compared to western force yes,see american cry in iraq?
You do not give syrian nationalist fighters the credit they deserve,which makes this seem like cias excuse to keep on funding these vipers!
The problem with much of the commentary among Assad supporters (of which I am one) is they tend to overemphasize the effectiveness of Syrian government troops.
While Syria does have some highly effective, well-motivated and very proficient units, the bulk of the Syrian military are low-confidence conscripts who are serving because it’s the law. When defending against determined assaults, these units usually collapse and flee, leaving their weapons behind.
These routs have happened so often in the past 9 years that it’s become woefully predictable a long time ago. But you don’t have to be a student of military science to know that conscripts are as a rule far less effective fighters than volunteers, especially religious fanatics, most of whom are unafraid of death.
I find it hard to believe that the stated death numbers. Even if they’re partially true. Is because conscripts dropped their weapons and ran away. Almost anyone, conscript or not, is going to use the weapons and cover that they have to defend themselves rather than get murdered after they’re attacked because they ran away from cover unarmed. And got murdered in the process.
Also a defended position usually lends itself to fewer casualties than the attacking force. Unless the defenders are caught off guard and substantially out manned and outgunned.
After 9 years of war, and a persistent insurgent problem. I’m sure that the SAA knows how to set up hard points, and the defenders, conscripts or not are trained and equipped to hold them. Against the fighters and weapons that ISIS has.
You can make the case that conscripts may not make the best assault force. When compared to volunteers and more patriotic conscripts. And I would agree with that.
With respect, I think you are overemphasizing the physical, material aspect of combat.
A man can be trained for combat and this indeed helps produce better outcomes; actions become embedded in muscle memory, small unit tactics become known, and some of the science of war is demystified to the individual soldier. And so forth.
But no boot camp is going to produce a fanatic that’s unafraid of death. A man is either born with this quality, or it’s cultivated over the time of many years.
A man who is not a born fighter, who is a coward, or is ill-motivated is not going to suddenly become a man of iron because of a few months of boot camp. This is what separates the men from the boys.
Courageousness is without a doubt THE most important quality of a man in combat, no matter their role.
There’s nothing more fearsome on a battlefield than a stalwart believer unafraid of death (even if their doctrine is false), and this fills their low-confidence conscript opponents with mortal terror.
I’m looking at the source of the purported deaths that has a history of disinfo, the lack of proof, and basic common military knowledge that attacking a defended position is usually more costly for the attackers. To draw my conclusions that the information is suspect.
Do you really believe 1,400 Syrian government coalition dead by Isis since mid 2019 in the desert with zero proof that I’ve seen? Coming from some MI6 propaganda shop in England. If that many got killed more got injured. 1,000s of dead and injured. The numbers border on the absurd. There haven’t been that many killed and injured in major clearing operations. What activity there has been is probably at much lower levels of casualties.
“Since 24th of March 2019, SOHR has documented the killing of at least 1,226 regime soldiers and loyalists of Syrian and non-Syrian nationalities, including at least two Russians, and 145 Iranian-backed militiamen of non-Syrian nationalities. All were killed in attacks, bombings and ambushes by the “Islamic State”, west of Euphrates in the deserts of Deir Ezzor, Homs, and Al-Suwaidaa.”
– Campaign to secure Deir ez-Zor-Homs road in a week | Nearly 50 Russian-backed fighters and ISIS members killed, and 130 Russian airstrikes pound the region –
https://www.syriahr.com/en/201877/
If those figures are accurate, I’m the Duke of Colchester
Every war they fought with Israel, Syria collapsed and left tens of thousands of Syrian bodies destroys the 9 year argument they did not perform well against Saddam either so dont make excuses
In general, the middle east suck at arms and are extremely ineffective soldiers. maybe if the non-prophets followers were not so into bachi bois and concentrated more on the task. you can give the non-prophets followers the most modern weapons and they cant beat an illiterate group of wildmen as we see in yemen We know the Daesh are verbatim followers of the book as there is no moderate Koran so you get what you earn
No Jimi, it’s the Iranians who should just pack up and go home, Russia only has a few thousand fighters at the most in this area, but Iran has at least 80,000 fighters, so who’s not pulling their weight. So you should be blaming the Iranians who you support, not the Russians. Using a rifle to kill flying beetles is probably easier than hitting Isis fighters hiding in the desert, you try and do better.
“130 airstrikes on ISIS cells” Yet ISIS managed to kill 31 pro-government forces and took 17 losses? Can anyone explain to us what the hell is going on? Why are more government forces dying despite being backed by Russian air power? Can’t imagine what happens if the situation were reversed. Honestly, what kind of weapon do ISIS use, or what battle tactic do they employ that make them survive intense airstrikes while simultaneously inflicting more casualties than they take? I’d be grateful if anyone can explain this to the community.
ISIS is likely holding the initiative, relegating the good guys to using air power in response to being ambushed on the ground. By the time aircraft arrives, the action is probably over and bombs are unlikely to find living targets.
Its a war of attrition in this area, and this is more of a threat to ISIS there than any sort of ‘knockout’ blow.
Russia can’t afford to permanently keep planes and drones in the air, to hit anything that moves between 3 and 15 mins, USA can. That’s why are less ISIS attacks in the Kurdish side.
They can keep mach 2.8 nuclear bombers cruising usa speeds over 24 hours staight,they can out do usa too!This article is cia biased rubbish!
They should buy some clothes first, both protersters and police are poorly dressed for the resource-richest country in the world. Most of their money go to the 100 jewish billionaires that offer Putin expensive gifts.
100% so! CIA + MI6
And Allah is from Alabama too:)
you are perfect idiot. because to be “perfect idiot” one must have trace of intelligence.
If You were some real Chritian Jesus woul dturn You into a fish.
Everything You dont like is USA and West.. They not even clean Your hands every friday just sending You out rainy days even it should be expected they are Your waiters :)
Actually its in many places in Syria as well as in other countries.
And the lies is the worst to me. When I write ISIS are hardheaded well educated veteran guerillia infantery of the best. Im blamed for telling how things are.
People seemes to prefare to lie 100% and send out victims and even lie about how many dead one, they have this time.
Its a You write. If the Assads are not as good as the ISIS ones a minimum would be to find the ISIS first and secondly defend themself on the ground or by air.
Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported it is just Western propaganda bollocks
And the Russian sponsored news site just republished it with no disclaimers or qualifications [but they used to once]. Since SF doesn’t have access to Syrian Government statistics because the Syrian Government wont provide them, they have to rely on SOHR information instead, but the figures the SOHR provides must be at least close to accurate, otherwise SF wouldn’t republish them with no qualifications or disclaimers.
If the losses has been so low and inaccurate as Richard write, the Assads had won years ago.
Its as WC truth writes below. SOHR often is the best we have.
If You folled it more carefull, You can make a kind of reliability statistiscs on it. Assads systematicly are lower the own casualty rates as well as they read many more has attacked them.
In the last Palmyra taking Asads rappoorted 2.000 ISIS soldiers took it. But all real experts estimate it to about 500 determinant ones with good plans.
The reasons was many. The good Assads tropps were replaced by bad ones and the heavy armed tanker felt high below the replacing milisia instead of those noemally help each other and sometimes hand to hand.
The defence after the attack, where they won, was no reagaines. Trenches was not repaired. No new barricades was made. There were no regaing the few mines they had. And why: Because soldiers in theat lausy version – as in many other things very cvisble in Denmark to – dont do even simple things by not being irdered to it. So the Assad troops by that had not even own defense person to person.
It was all over those soldier now has infrared vic´´sible and now they coould see ISIS in the dark.
Even they knew a few days before that, that a big sandtom would come, they not even made a thicker guardline. They hardly even saw ISIS until they were among them and not only because they were divided in two.
Also very much used in those days, where many more Assad troops were alive was the elephant suicide trick.
You take a lot of troops and well equipped out against and enemy You hardly know wjere is. Then You systematicly has made no supplyline to support that.
And the ISIS ones wins, because they go around the elephant too with many small knives. Often its not even was made as trap. It normal and common military procedure to do like that for centuries and often by kavallery.
Hit and run guerilla tactics always achieve the same results no matter which army’s using them, it’s easier to strike the enemy with overwhelming numbers when you don’t need to protect any territory of your own, which means the SAA is ALWAY spread too thinly on the ground to effectively counter any sudden Isis attacks against them, Isis finds out a checkpoint that only has 5 soldiers guarding it so they send 10 fighters to kill them and quickly withdraw, how do you beat those tactics. It would be the same result if Isis was attacking the US in Iraq, no army can counter that sort of operation effectively, you need to cut them off at the source to stop them, and you need a coordinated and effective army to do that, which currently the Syrians don’t have.
“how do you beat those tactics”
With a hardened defended position, the appropriate weapons, and reinforcements.
All of these SOHR reports come with no proof and no specifics. It’s called propaganda. There’s no proof or any specifics about purported individual battles in these reports:
“The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has documented fatalities, as a result of shelling and clashes in the first week of the new campaign, where 31 pro-Russian fighters, regime soldiers and allied militiamen were killed in bombings, shootings and clashes with ISIS members in the deserts of Homs and Deir al-Zour, while 17 ISIS members were killed in Russian airstrikes and clashes.
Since 24th of March 2019, SOHR has documented the killing of at least 1,226 regime soldiers and loyalists of Syrian and non-Syrian nationalities, including at least two Russians, and 145 Iranian-backed militiamen of non-Syrian nationalities. All were killed in attacks, bombings and ambushes by the “Islamic State”, west of Euphrates in the deserts of Deir Ezzor, Homs, and Al-Suwaidaa.”
– Campaign to secure Deir ez-Zor-Homs road in a week | Nearly 50 Russian-backed fighters and ISIS members killed, and 130 Russian airstrikes pound the region –
https://www.syriahr.com/en/201877/
They’re probably coming straight out of some British government disinfo office somewhere.
This is the entirety of the “proof” contained in the article. A picture of a bunch of guys in a pickup with guns. Which proves nothing.
https://www.syriahr.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%B4-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A92.jpg
You can’t harden every defensive position because there are no front lines in this conflict, every position the SAA occupy is under threat of Isis attack, which means no areas is safe anywhere. And not even a full strength army could defend the entire territory they occupy and every position they need to, much less a half strength SAA. And you can’t send in reinforcements quickly because you have 4 armies to coordinate, and all of them have different masters, Russia keeps telling us this over and over again, they keep saying “the controlling powers refuse to coordinate actions effectively, SF has told us this at least 5 or maybe 6 times over the last month, and that means they’re pointing the finger at Iran. The Russians only have about 2 or 3 thousand fighters under their command in this area, Assad probably a few more than that, but Iran has about 80,000 fighters in this area under their command, so who’s fault is it Isis is running amok, it’s not Russia or Assad’s fault. And the only reason SF and other news sites use SOHR fatality numbers is because Assad refuses to release official Government statistics, so they need to get the info from somewhere, and just like me they must think if Assad’s not releasing them it’s because the real numbers are as bad if not worse than the numbers the SOHR is pumping out, so they feel confident they’re close to the real numbers and I do too, despite the fact I normally don’t trust a thing the he says about anything else. You’re not listening to what the Russians are telling you, they’re making it plain for all to see and some of you are still missing it, reread this article if you didn’t understand what they were telling you, the message for Darra is the same as the one for Deir ez Zor, the Iranians are the problem.
https://southfront.org/southern-syria-and-regional-security-challenges/
Do you have any military experience? A smaller force is capable of holding a hardened defendable redoubt against a larger force. Reinforcements available by road and air is part of any deployment of troops to an outpost where the command knows that they’re vulnerable. If you don’t understand that then you’re a complete neophyte in military matters.
The article that you linked to isn’t from the Russians or Iranians and misrepresents the Syrian government coalition’s positions. It’s complete Yinon plan hasbara nonsense. The SAA and company increased their presence in Darra because terrorists were killing SAA in civilian settings. Not because of some Russian Iranian disagreement.
The Syrian government coalition is continuously moving the front lines forward as it regains territory and is consolidating it’s control of recovered territory. That’s what’s happening in Darra.
SANA releases numbers and they don’t come close to what SOHR publishes, without any proof that I’ve ever seen.
Where are all of these articles by Russians about this internecine conflict between Russia and Iran in Syria? Maj. Gen. (R) Khalid Marshoud isn’t a Russian or an Iranian. The article he wrote could have been written by Mossad. You can get the same type of foolishness at Debka File.
Where’s the SOHR proof? This is proof:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/791fa812d13d2a967001479379b77d7196d3cd306ac6f1e6595f3ae028ade28c.jpg
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink, bye bye horsy.
That’s a dodge. You didn’t answer the questions or address the points raised.
Because I couldn’t be bothered, you tire me out too much.
Where’s the SOHR proof? This is proof:
https://smmsyria.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/syrian.jpg
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/791fa812d13d2a967001479379b77d7196d3cd306ac6f1e6595f3ae028ade28c.jpg
Is that proof, LOL, for you it is, I don’t even know what it means.
Yes it’s proof of SAA security positions in Dier Ezzor illustrating the points that I made.
It’s proof the SAA could defend this position from a force of 3 or 4 Isis fighters, but it’s also proof the SAA couldn’t defend this position from a force of 10 Isis fighters. And that’s exactly what Isis does, it reconnoiters the position and delivers the appropriate measures to overpower the position. But sadly the SAA can’t do the same to Isis, and that’s because they don’t have any static positions to defend, all they do is attack static SAA positions. That’s what the military experts call guerilla warfare, and it wins out every time when it comes to attrition rates, it may not be the best way to win a war but it essentially means the other party can’t end the war until the protagonists want to end it, and the static party is always the one at a disadvantage, ALWAYS.
The SAA chooses defended positions for the strength of the position to repel an attack and inflict injuries and fatalities on the attackers until reinforcements arrive. Which is why it’s likely that the SOHR numbers are inflated for propaganda purposes. I’ve asked you to provide proof that the reports are accurate, which you’ve failed to do. I’ve looked at the site and haven’t found proof supporting the reports.
The SAA is taking casualties and SANA is reporting them with injury and death totals for the individual incidents. Which are far lower than the SOHR propaganda. A lot of the SOHR reports have no confirmation from other sources that they even occurred with no proof to support the reports. Indicating that they’re fabrications.
It’s a standard military axiom supported by thousands of years of experience that defenders have the advantage of fortified cover that the attackers out in the open trying to close on a defended position don’t. Particularly in the open desert. That’s why on average losses are greater for the force attacking a defended position than the force defending the position.
The .30 caliber machine gun shown in the picture has an effective range of up to 1 mile. And with armor piercing ammunition can disable those light pickups. Those gun trucks with heavier calibers are inaccurate beyond that range. And have limited use as fire support until they get in range of the 30 cals that most SAA positions have. The attackers are more vulnerable to mortars. RPGs are inaccurate beyond a few hundred yards.
There’s a difference between a hit and run attack inflicting limited casualties on the defenders with no casualties on the attackers. And overrunning a defended position. Which is usually more costly for the attackers. Sometimes positions can be overrun with few casualties to the attackers. But on average it’s the other way around. Particularly when the defenders are aware that an attack is going to occur and wait until the attackers get close enough to kill and injure a lot of the attackers. 30 caliber machine guns and full auto assault rifles are very effective at close range from cover against attackers who have to move out in the open to close on a position to attack it.
Richard you’re going off in a different tangent altogether, we’re not talking about 2 entrenched armies fighting each other and trying to win ground from each other, it’s a guerilla war. In a normal conflict the “defenders have the advantage of fortified cover that the attackers out in the open trying to close on a defended position don’t.” But that’s only the case when the numbers are close to even, in guerilla warfare the numbers are never close to even, and that’s because in guerilla warfare the attackers always have the advantage in numbers, they get to pick and choose their fights, the entrenched army doesn’t get a choice and has to fight with what’s available. “If you don’t understand that then you’re a complete neophyte in military matters.” Whatever that means. Like I said you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
https://youtu.be/pAwoA-XPzsQ
Its well descriebe SOHR compared to others are among the best but also make mistake now and then.
You are a mistake.
Most SOHR things are confirmed by others and other sources too often are much much worse.
I have counted corpses, wounded and equipment. They anytime are in that level. If there are only 800 dead, it in that level. If the counted lost ones includes wounded ones its fine with me too. LEVEL.
So I wonder where You get information from???
And finally the Syrian opposition site Leader descriebes well how the information is comming in and also why. There is not even reason for SOHR should use reliable information from the Britts too.
Ypu should go the other way and see better, that many less sober ones do a lot to give none or false information of the worst. I compare.
Clausewitch said so. Find the weak spots and attack them there. Napolean knew too: You can never cover a riverside, because the enemy concentrate their troops and crios there.
It was very visible for Nomandie. Rommel wanted to cover westerns went in at all. Von Rundsted meant the WEest should be taken by a big military force.
And the troops wer divided and Hitler even kind of divided into three by making a reserve at Paris.
There were other aspects in that figting, but they made themself weak already being very weak.
Many more then them know and maybee 1000s of years ago.
Yes it’s something well known through history and the strategy is proven beyond question, but some SF forum users still have no idea why Isis is so successful, they keep calling for more men, but Assad would need at least a million soldiers to stop Isis continuing it’s guerilla war, and even then he wouldn’t be able to stop them completely, he’d need AT LEAST 2 million for that.
See my post above.
that is easy, Trump wiped out Daesh whom were formerly wiping up turkey Russia, SAA, SFR Iraq both army and PMF. the only ones that had a hope of stopping Daesh were the Kurds but still could not till trump was elected the history is clear and now Daesh and the DNC are back in town
If You look it up Yourself by Internet the reasons are very well descriebed even on Youtubes.
Its the same for most things in Syria and several other of same kind in ME. They are raised to be unindependent victims. When You put up posters of their Leaders, the pictures says: I see You. I follow You. Behave. Or else.
Then few can control them by few weapons and fear. To compensate for that the men are treating their girls and women even worse.
Its starts from babies in the stomacs has ears and cover everything and not only desert in Syria.
Assads even control their own corruption as alternative structiure for at least something is paid for and work.
“These operations may limit the movement of ISIS cells and inflict some losses on the terrorist group. However, more serious measures will likely be needed to put an end to the group’s presence in Syria’s central region.”
Indeed they do.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/073bce2db322c272afcbd7199d700e244201819ba6b4ea9e74f8e2494dd37a09.png
https://maps.southfront.org/white-helmets-sohr-cant-be-considered-as-reliable-sources-russian-foreign-ministry/