Admiral Grigorovich Frigate to Join Russian Navy Ships in Mediterranean Sea

finish the crying :DDD

Red Army divisions were smaller so you might expect Red Army corps to contain the troops and equipment normally part of the establishment of British and US divisions.

Most divisions, German, English, Russian, American….etc had similar configurations using 12-16,000 men as a basic unit, synonymous to what a Roman legion was. The point I was making, western divisions were needier, and subsequently needed a longer support tail. They indulged in luxuries like chocolate cake and other “need” items, while the russians needs were basic and more ascetic.

no, 25 000

25,000 what? A division can have auxiliary and support elements.

A Roman legion had 9 cohorts @480, a 1st cohort @960, & 120 cavalry (Fr. the “Notatitium Dignitatum”, the definitive & most authoritative contemporary source.), for a total of 5,240 heavy infantry & 5,360 men total for the 1st-3rd C. Empire, down from the @6,000 man Republican Legion.

Normally attached to a legion were auxiliary troops: levies from native peoples of the provinces. These varied very greatly in combat efficiency. Some were outstanding, like the Sarmation Cavalry or the Batavian & Tungrian Infantry. Some were specialists like the Scythian Archers or the Celt-Iberian Phalanges. The number of auxiliaries assigned to a legion in the field rarely varied below half the legion’s full strength nor more than equal to the legion’s full strength.

So, when speaking of the strength of an Imperial Roman Legion during the Roman Army’s period of ascendancy, it was 5,360 Roman troops, but it might also have attached between 2,680 & 5,360 additional non-Roman troops, for a grand total formation strength of between 8 040 & 10,720 fighting personnel of all & various types.

I don’t wish to engage in your vituperative little hypothetical debate about your personal picks for weapons systems & electronic warfare systems. Perhaps you all work for competing arms contractors & know each other & trading filthy barbs is de rigeur for your trade.

I’m only a military historian, but a good one. Someone lumped Roman legions into comparisons of WW2 divisional organizations of Russians, Germans Brits, & Americans & implied legions were similar or the same. That is not accurate & quite misleading. What I have set forth for you above, you can take to the bank.

Respectfully Submitted, …/s/Bob Frazier. Hon. Robert F. Frazier, Esq.

You misunderstood my anology, the basic major fighting unit during Roman times was the legion, in modern times it is the division. The division like the legion can have auxiliary units attached to it, or several legions comprise an army, the same way several divisions comprise a corps. What is so difficult to understand?

boy, we are talking about 1 piece of ship. do not tell me anything about capacities.

and sure 1st january will be? ;)

you do not know, what made russians. finish with your tales, kid.

Can you logically conclude something in your mind? Either Tomahawk is made in China ( junk) and the Russians can sit back and do nothing and laugh at the fiasco. Or the Tomahawk being overly reliable on GPS becomes a victim of EW interference. So, which one is it?

tomahawk is madei in china??? kid, you are on meth :)))

none of this. there is 1 vague information about 59 launched missiles and 23 targetd the airport. but! 1) in the beginning your mod told, only 6 planes were destroyed. yesterday the syrians spoke about 15. and i believe to syrians. so, 15 is closer to 20 in foxnews.. 2) nobody saw the remnants of by you intercepted tomahawls. probably most of them found it targets. 15 planes and lot of other destryeed targets show, there were more then 23 incomes.

Sorry, you do not understand some humor, we have a saying, stuff made in China is junk. The performance of the Tomahawk equaled junk status.

Some of them disintegrated over tartus, seems you didnt red the news https://southfront.org/russian-defense-ministry-only-23-out-of-59-tomahawk-missiles-reached-their-target-in-syria/

1 missile, far from 30

The computer chips and motherboards of the Tomahawks are made in China that is how corrupt the USA is now.

sure not :)

The US ABM system does not work unless armed with nuclear warheads, then it works about 20% of the time at best, and such nuclear missile warheads can be transferred to cruise missiles which can be used to attack. One has to spend 10 times the money defending as one has to spend building better missiles to attack and get through such a defense . The real purpose of these forward ABM bases in Romania, Poland etc is that they can also hold nuclear armed cruise missiles for a surprise first strike nuclear attack against Russia and China.

Read the speech!

https://www.newcoldwar.org/a-world-between-war-and-peace-speech-by-vladimir-putin-to-the-valdai-discussion-club-in-sochi-russia-oct-22-2015/

The United States initiated the signing of an agreement with Iran on settling the Iranian nuclear issue. We actively followed and supported our US and Iranian partners on the road to a common decision and this agreement has now come into force and Iran has agreed to send its enriched uranium out of the country. So if there is no Iranian nuclear problem, why develop a missile defence system? You could stop the project, but not only has the project not stopped, on the contrary, new tests and exercises are taking place. These systems will be in place in Romania by the end of the year and in Poland by 2018 or 2020. As I can tell you, and the specialists know, the missile defence deployment sites can be used effectively for stationing cruise missile attack systems. Does this not create a threat for us? Of course it does, and it changes the very philosophy of international security

Forget about US ABM, S500 and later versions will have antiballistic capabilities, with a range of approx 600kms or more. If these missiles were deployed aboard large ships (Lidder 14-18,000 tons), and you have 150 missiles per ship, being in the middle of Atlantic and being able to interdict any SLBM launches is a great asset. Of course the Lidder ship will not be used only for anti ballistic purposes, its assortment of weaponry will allow it to conduct anti submarine warfare, surface to surface and surface to air missions. It will need some air protection from a carrier, even though its surface to air capabilities will be good.

Jesus you are 50 years out of date. What do corvettes need air cover from? Their kalibar cruise missiles have a much longer range then any aircraft from an air craft carrier and their missiles too. You are thinking 50 years behind the times. It is the outdated aircraft carrier battle group that needs protection from Kalibr armed corvettes and frigates. Kalibr land attack versions in use by Russia have various claimed maximum ranges; it is believed that the conventionally armed version has a range of 1,500 km (930 mi), while a nuclear armed Kalibr has a greater range of 2,600 km (1,600 mi) with the naval versions said to have longer ranges. Just keep the frigates and corvettes within 1,000 km of Russian shores so they can get support from the Russian navy and land based aircraft if needed. Once Russia has a hundred or more of them they, can go on the hunt for aircraft carrier battle groups when these carriers are far away from their land based support and support the Russian submarine fleet in such hunts . Sure a few will be sunk but I would trade a few frigates and corvettes for an air craft carrier battle group or a few American submarines any day and such frigates and corvettes with their anti submarine capabilities and ability to deny the seas to American surface ships, provide good cheap support, for the Russian submarine fleet against the US submarine fleet.

Carriers are vulnerable to attacks, hence the range of the Caliber is greater than the range of the F18, having said that, carriers are escorted by Aegis cruisers and destroyers that provide surface to air defenses for the carrier. To overwhelm the Aegis defense requires a lot of Calibers, the corvettes and the frigates do not carry a heavy missile load, hence the Caliber is basically subsonic that accelerates to +Mach 2 in its terminal stage. A remodernized battle cruiser or a new Lidder destroyer would have at least 300 vertical launchers capable to overwhelm a carrier battle group. What is more even promising is the hypersonic glide vehicle (project 4202) that can be equipped with a conventional warhead, a Sarmat ICBM can carry up to 10 of them, they can attack the carrier at +Mach 10, whereby Aegis defenses would not be able to respond effectively. Also, the introduction of the hypersonic missile Zircon would aggravate Aegis’ ability to respond properly and effectively.

Chinese DF21 and 26 are MRBM with hypersonic glide vehicle, are giving the US plenty to think about, they laugh it off thinking their EW would save the carrier.

Jesus, You sound like an old Soviet general (who lost the cold war) or an American general in 2017 who is about to lose as the US economy collapses, talking about the superiority of your conventional forces, which they can’t afford, which are a huge waste of money and totally irrelevant, in a real nuclear war, except such large and useless conventional forces bankrupt your economy. I am talking about how these ships will be used in a nuclear war. Any war between the Zionist empire and Russia is going to be a nuclear war as it would have been between the Warsaw Pact and the NATO pact. One nuclear armed Kalbibre missile can take out an entire carrier battle group or they can be programmed to attack in a swarm or my choice one at a time, detonating a nuke a few miles from a carrier task force causing huge waves causing some ships to just capsize and also EMP rendering their anti missiles systems inoperative long enough for another nuclear Kalibre to get closer and when it comes to nukes, close is good enough.

I think you are drinking the same Kool-Aid like those in the USA who think a war between Russia and America is not going to go nuclear, the US will just twin, Russia won’t use its nuclear weapons when the US would in the reverse situation if Russia was to take Canada or Mexico. If the US is losing and Russia is going to take Western Europe you think the Israeli – US in 1980 or 2017 would not use nukes??????? How they and you can think Russia won’t use nukes in the same situation shows there and your insanity. Maybe your real name is Jim Jones, you remember the Kool-aid gut in south America.

What I said applied to conventional warefare, you use nuclear weapons when you are desperate and with the back against the wall. You are telling me that Russia building small ships equipped with nuclear weapons would offset carrier battle groups? Why would Russia do that? They have superior conventional attack missiles, the hypersonic missile is in the works along with hypersonic gliders. The hypersonic gliders would hit carriers anywher in the world, including their home ports. Each hypersonic glider would deliver a 1000kg warhead in a within a low CEP and the carrier is hit. 2 or 3 hits at +Mach 10 and the carrier is history. Russia is on the verge of superseding US in conventional capability, missilery and EW, if US looses a conventional war and wants to resort to a nuclear weapons, having naval platforms that can fire S500 missiles against SLBMs would take their bravado away.

The intent is to have the capability to win conventional and nuclear wars as well. Russia is not there yet, the rearmament program through 2025 would bring her closer to that goal.

Russia designed their military for nuclear war because having an enormous conventional armed force is one of the main reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union and is one of the main reasons the USA economy is now collapsing along with rampant organized Jewish corruption and criminality, as you seem to be unable to learn from history.

You are wrong again in saying using nuclear weapons is a sign of desperation for Russia; their use for Russia are when it is necessary to defend their vital interests not for conquest as it used to be in the USA, before the Zionists took over all influential positions.

It is a sign of desperation from the US and the Zionist empire that rules the USSA as it begins to collapse, to attack a nuclear armed state as their empire is collapsing as they are losing the peace because of their rampant criminality, corruption, Jewish racism and Jewish supremacism, and they think a war is their only hope. I would never advise Russia to start an offensive war of conquest against the USA because I know where it will end.

However for some reason I don’t understand, you think the USA can attack nuclear armed states, start an offensive war of conquest against them and get away with it!!??? Well if you are happy with the death of all of the American people go ahead and do it. You obviously don’t value human life or any life at all on this planet, I guess we are all just useless, stupid, animal beast, Goyim, to die in your wars, as the racist, supremacist, Jew, and war criminal Henry Kissinger said.

There you go again with the insanity. You can’t win a nuclear war!!!!! You think like insane NEO CON, racist, supremacist, Jews. The best way to prevent a first strike is to have missiles like the new Sarmat ICBM, submarine based missiles, missiles based on railway cars, truck mobile missiles, ready to fire in 60 seconds. And not giving in on places like Syria, Ukraine, Poland, Romania and letting the Zionist empire station nuclear capable missiles on your borders in such places and the will to defend your vital interests.

The Sarmat 2 is brand new, the Buluva missiles on Russian SLBM submarines are brand new, there are lots of new Russian ICBMS and SLBMs being produced right now! Don’t you know???

You don’t want to mess with the MAD doctrine. This makes a nuclear war more likely insane one. MAD worked for 50 years.

They build small ships so they can have a functioning economy and not go bankrupt and collapse again like the USA economy is doing now and still be able to fight a nuclear war and destroy their enemies America etc. keeping the MAD doctrine.