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Originally published by ZeroHedge
Blue-check mark gatekeepers, journalists, bots, pundits and even government officials are out in force, angrily reacting to Elon Musk’s Monday tweet which merely explored the possibilities for peaceful resolution in Ukraine.
Musk offered a Ukraine-Russia peace proposal, and encouraged his followers to vote on whether they think it’s a good idea or not, proposing a “redo” of referendums for the four annexed regions of eastern Ukraine which Vladimir Putin declared part of the Russian Federation last week. It would also be conditioned on Ukraine remaining neutral vis-a-vis future NATO membership.
Ukraine-Russia Peace:
– Redo elections of annexed regions under UN supervision. Russia leaves if that is will of the people.
– Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev’s mistake).
– Water supply to Crimea assured.
– Ukraine remains neutral.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 3, 2022
He followed by saying the above conditions for ceasefire and peaceful settlement is “highly likely to be the outcome in the end” anyway regardless of how much it infuriates people ready to back Ukraine at all costs. As Musk noted, it remains “just a question of how many die before then.”
Within a couple of hours after the poll going live, which by then reflected almost 40% saying “yes” and just over 60% voting it down, Musk said it is being attacked by bots.
Ukrainian diplomats among others, such as Kiev’s ambassador to Germany, lashed out… “Fuck off is my very diplomatic reply to you,” said Ambassador Andrij Melnyk.
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The poll and proposed “Ukraine-Russia peace” idea even caught the attention of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Zelensky sarcastically offered his own poll, which strangely framed the whole thing as some sort of popularity contest, asking his over six million followers whether they would like Elon better if he “supports Ukraine” or “supports Russia” – despite obviously that Elon’s original tweet and poll did nothing to express “support” for Russia.
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But then as some pointed out, Zelensky questioning Elon’s support for the “right” side of the war is a bit ironic and rich when one considers…
I like the Elon that supports peace and is against Nuclear War. We know which Elon you supported when he hooked you up with Starlink..https://t.co/WGbgMHi0NA
— David Mayze (@DavidMayze) October 3, 2022
Some have pointed out what’s clearly going on with the continued pile-on:
The fact that @elonmusk could be attacked as “pro-Russian” merely for suggesting a possible peace deal — even though he gave Starlink to the Ukrainian war effort — shows how warped and intolerant the public conversation has become.
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) October 3, 2022
At one point Musk engaged some of his irate (perhaps now former) fans who pointed out that he risked enraging many Ukrainians.
Musk responded, “You are assuming that I wish to be popular. I don’t care. I do care that millions of people may die needlessly for an essentially identical outcome.”
Undeterred, Musk doubled-down and offered another poll, highlighting the difficult question of democratic outcomes in the longtime pro-Kremlin and Russian-speaking Donbas. He also pinned a tweet underscoring the zero sum nature of continued build-up and escalation which will only result in “devastating” huge amounts of death.
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Let’s try this then: the will of the people who live in the Donbas & Crimea should decide whether they’re part of Russia or Ukraine
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 3, 2022
“If you care about the people of Ukraine seek, seek peace,” Musk said.
Naturally, this too resulted in an avalanche of hate mail and responses basically accusing the billionaire businessman of somehow being a pro-Kremlin stooge.
Tezla’s new logo. pic.twitter.com/6DiBFH8YCw
— Michiel van Hulten (@mvanhulten) October 3, 2022
Bloomberg has observed that Musk’s tweets are “drawing the wrath of Ukrainians” for his proposing a negotiated solution which would involve ceding Crimea for good, and for suggesting that citizens in occupied areas should “decide if they want to live in Russia or Ukraine,” per the report.
Just the evening prior, journalist Michael Tracey pointed out the following, which is aptly demonstrated in Monday’s Elon Musk Ukraine Twitter controversy…
“The media should do a much better job explaining to Americans that the reason they’re at heightened nuclear risk right now is because the US government **knowingly chose to put them at heightened nuclear risk**,” Tracey said. “Pro-war ideological zealots deliberately imposed this risk on them.”
I would like to suggest that the UN supervised re-election proposed by Elon use Dominion voting machines. As you are guaranteed to get the most accurate vote you want.
We all saw how much the American owners of the Ukrainian Hyundai Pony valued democratic representation in 2014 when they overthrew the government, kicking off this whole debacle.
The Russian invasion is the reason for the nuclear threat. Alnost all here ignores this is the whole world and not America.
It very impressing Trump and Russians are the same in some matters. They want to plit the world up in many pieces to dominate it.
Democrates are for unifications on all levels. People like Musk dometimes are too far out. When they are , they should be ignored. Good ideas should be rewarded.
Maybee Zelinsky should have ignored or commented in a lower temperature. Ukras fr the moment are dong pretty well. By that Musk makles less sense for everybody.
You really like to choose dates that suit your point. You know that backfires?
Care to tell why NATO expanded to the East after the collapse of the Soviet Union? NATO had only 12 members and now it is 30, all of them behind closed doors want to destroy Russia because Russia is stupidly rich and too powerful. Being greedy pigs… is not really an answer.
You and a mentally ill person are very alike as well if you think about it.
“Democrates are for unifications on all levels”… Ah yes that’s what “Democrats” are known for, you are really like a mentally ill person the more you talk.
Ukraine doing “pretty well”… I guess if you only see what you want to see. But Jens can you answer my question? Why Ukraine is begging for tanks (Any type of tank – be it from WWII or Western tanks they never used or can fix)?
“By that Musk makles less sense for everybody.” (By that Musk makes less sense for everybody)?
I’m sure you just don’t understand what he is saying more than anything. Also, he makes more sense than you that is for sure.
Look almost ALL JUSA articles about the Demo(no)crat party where about 65% of all-time leaders and staff were openly declared …jews ! Means khazar fake jews, off course. The talmudian peoples of Satan, aka khazar non-blood jews, are controlling America and hencefort all world throw the Demo(no)crat Party. I can give you hundreds of links for this subject. Also, the voting system and the prevoting partition of electoral colleges, the so well known GERRYMANDERING system, was introduced and fierce backed by those so-called democrats. Read about GERRYMANDERING and how you can heavily influence voting results before. They know how to permute those colleges in theirs favor, using many manipulations. One of them very used in the last decades is the GERRYMANDERING colleges in such a way that the migrant invasion of democrat voting machine to be a majority insides them.
I agree with you on Jews. But I don’t think they’re fake.
That means you’re not knowing what is called fake here. Not to enter again for the 1000 time and shorten at max possible: real jews are the semitic avraamic descendants of peoples of GOD, bloodline, heirs of Iacob/Israel, the Israelites, also known as HEBREW peoples. Fake jews are the barbarian turkic seminomadic tribes of Khazaria which in VI-VII century AD adopted the judaic religion and called themselves also jews ! They have nothing to do with the real Avraam peoples of GOD. The khazar asiatic fake jews are aprox. 85% of all jews in the world. Many modern DNA haplogroup studies confirm that.
Jewish supremacy is just a myth created for the sheeple to throw us off the lizard people that are really controlling everything behind the scenes.
That’s right goy, here’s a shekel for your oral skills.
Hmm, but why do all the new-era US presidents “obliged” to give a speech at AIPAC?
Why do the US and EU constantly block UN sanctions against Israel?
Why does Israel get very unfair trade deals from the EU and US?
Why does the US have to pay Israel cold cash each year?
I see “Israel” as a loophole, and Zionists know that. There are only two outcomes in the future for Zionist-stan. 1. The rightful owner of the land takes over in due time and lives with true Jewish people in peace. 2. War and they die.
I agree with you mostly, the British, yanquis, Chinese, Nazis, and Wahhabis are worse than Zionists. But Zionists agree to go along with the West’s plan, to destroy the Middle East and loot them, which backfired…
If Zionists don’t make peace with Palestinian they will be history.
Look almost ALL JUSA articles about the Demo(no)crat party where about 65% of all-time leaders and staff were openly declared …jews ! Means khazar fake jews, off course. The talmudian peoples of Satan, aka khazar non-blood jews, are controlling America and hencefort all world throw the Demo(no)crat Party. I can give you hundreds of links for this subject. Also, the voting system and the prevoting partition of electoral colleges, the so well known GERRYMANDERING system, was introduced and fierce backed by those so-called democrats. Read about GERRYMANDERING and how you can heavily influence voting results before. They know how to permute those colleges in theirs favor, using many manipulations. One of them very used in the last decades is the GERRYMANDERING colleges in such a way that the migrant invasion of democrat voting machine to be a majority insides them.
I don’t really care what you think, all I know is evil nazi and KKK brothers of arm must all die. There is no more place for wars on earth.
No its Nato hoping to occupy Ukraine up to the Russian border,if they get away with that they will cause mischief OVER the border,thats why they have to be stopped in Ukraine and be seen to have been stopped.
I stand for Democracy and Ukraine can go fuck itself.
Ok, but why is your BS post still online?
People like Musk “should be ignored” but you moronic, brain damaged chimpanzee from CIA dungeon should be listen??
Why the fuck I waste time reading your moronic gibberish, go play with your husband joe9211 while sucking Joe Bidens butthole. That’s your entire purpose dumb slave: kneeling and licking Yankee assholes.
Time to make a big crater out of Kiev.
Surprisingly reasonable proposal by Musk. Rational, democratic solution…. let people decide where they want to live.
But bloodthirsty hordes of cia shills, nato bots, nafo incels and all other indoctrinated zombies attacking like vultures everyone and everything not approved by their sick masters. 90% of them never heard of Ukraine till this years, but now it’s trendy and popular… circle jerking and bandwagoning, these useful/useless idiots sold their petty souls to the devil for a few likes on twitter. Elon of all people should know this, he made a fortune by exploiting morons.
musk made the ultimate sin: he dared to say the truth. now they want to crucify him.
The people of East Ukraine still want the same thing they wanted in 2014! There were votes and opinion polls then, which suggested many more areas of Ukraine were pro-Russian, perhaps some of those people have been driven out to Russia, Crimea or the Donbas so it has altered the current picture. If Ukraine had stayed on good terms with Russia and been kind to the Russian inhabitants it wouldn’t have mattered so much where the border was anyway as everyone could have gone back and forth happily.
“I do care that millions of people may die needlessly for an essentially identical outcome.” Ukrops want to fight, so maybe its their destiny to die. Musk should be neutral and stop supporting ukraine with Starlink..
Musk is a Ponzi artist and a US intelligence Klown. The people in Donbas voted in 2010. The Americans didn’t like it, and so Nudelman and Pyatt installed Arseholeyuk after the coup. Musk is just playing games.
Musk: “In order to stop war and save countless lives, let’s give people the right to decide where they want to live.”
NATO fanatics: “HOW DARE YOU!!!!”
Crimea is a independent state since 1991, they already voted for that independance when USSR ended, Ukraine never own Crimea and has no right on ownership, they just want to steal it, they just want war, they’re all gonna die stupid.
Ukrainians live stupid so it would be in the natural order of things for them to die stupid.
Why is Musk showing up now and not in April when that proposal was of interest for Russia? Is Musk not aware there was already a referendum with osce observer motoring application of international standards? Are we supposed to believe he cares about ukranian’s lives?
Where was Musk in 2014 when Nudelman and co. turned Parubiy and the genuine Nazi underpants gang loose in Kiev?
I voted yes, I think Musk proposal is reasonable. I can go even further and say that the population votes in Donețsk Lugansk and Crimeea will be in the favor of joining Russia and Kherson-Zapo will vote no. Crimeea should have the water guaranteed and Ukraine must remain military neutral. Musk have right, this will be the solution in the end, how many lives will be lost before everyone will accept this.
I propose that, due to fraud, the upcoming U.S. elections be manned by UN & EU observers.
Better Chinese, North Korean, Iranian, Afghan, Serbian, Russian observers.
Who will fuck my holes with all alpha faggots dead?…. 😭😭😭😭😭 Even my twinkie left me. I am all alone….
My holes are good. It is like fucking a kebab. 💙💛💙💛💙💛🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴
I stand 🖕 with Ukrainia
Surprisingly reasonable proposal by Musk. Rational, democratic solution…. let people decide where they want to live.
But bloodthirsty hordes of cia shills, nato bots, nafo incels and all other indoctrinated zombies attacking like vultures everyone and everything not approved by their sick masters. 90% of them never heard of Ukraine till this years, but now it’s trendy and popular… circle jerking and bandwagoning, these useful/useless idiots sold their petty souls to the devil for a few likes on twitter. Elon of all people should know this, he made a fortune by exploiting morons.
Ukraine is a garbage country and their government is comprised of thugs, Nazis and criminals. Their misguided alliance with the criminals in DC will be their destruction.
Well if ukraine thinks musk is not a good person then they should stop using his starlink.
Biden killed more civilians in 4 weeks than Trump killed in 4 years. Therefore Biden is a better President than Trump. This is my public opinion and my democratic right to have my voice to be heard because I have this opinion.
The Crimea has and always will be part of Russia. During my numerous visits to Ukraine before 2014 Any time I went to visit Crimea Always Always even the Ukrainians referred to Crimea as Russian Crimea
Ukraine is 80% stolen land. Some evem by Molotov – Ribentrop treaty which was declared canceled by USSR in december 1989.
Who will fuck my holes with all alpha faggots dead?…. 😭😭😭😭😭 Even my twinkie left me. I am all alone….
My holes are good. It is like fucking a kebab. 💙💛💙💛💙💛🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴
I stand 🖕 with Ukrainia
Nobody asks people anything, on either side.
Surprisingly reasonable proposal by Musk. Rational, democratic solution…. let people decide where they want to live.
But bloodthirsty hordes of cia shills, nato bots, nafo incels and all other indoctrinated zombies attacking like vultures everyone and everything not approved by their sick masters. 90% of them never heard of Ukraine till this years, but now it’s trendy and popular… circle jerking and bandwagoning, these useful/useless idiots sold their petty souls to the devil for a few likes on twitter. Elon of all people should know this, he made a fortune by exploiting morons.
“Drawing the wrath of Ukrainians”…LOL
Reminds me of pissing on an anthill when I was a kid and enjoyed such things.
Let’s be honest. The only way to deal with this Ukraine that’s allowed itself to be totally infected with Nazis and nazithink paying lip service along with their neoconniving enablers to neoliberal suckups is to annihilate it.
The experiment has gone too far. Time to kill the monster before it breeds.
Actually Musk’s peace proposal is very pro-Russia. If enacted, it would give Crimea and all of Donbass to Russia. Good outcome, and surprisingly even-handed considering it is coming from the 5G Demon himself. (Will reCAPTCHA allow this comment?)
Ahaha not only do millennials have the green T-shirt ‘Natsi’ playing a nu-wave ‘Fidel Castro’ for’em but a funk africaneer Rocketer & Same CIA asset ‘Howard Hughes’ toeing the Same olive-branch gig lolol…Watta gag
natolings are anti democracy, and are soviet jewish communist, and russia is democratic and wants a multipolar world, the roles have reversed its lol
Yeas! The way how almost century old scenarios get flipped inverted and reintroduced with like same corny period characters but new names in different places always gave me the inkling of some playwright maestro/s with ‘lifespans’ significantly if not multiple times longer than us regular saps orchestrating the whole bs show but careful not to repeat anything within a sap-generation’s memory with all the ole rehashed crap seeming just like yesterday to’em hahah
He become to ellon muskin?
Musk is as deluded as Snorty Z. Does he seriously imagine that anyone in Russia and Novorassyia gives a toss what he as CIA strawman thinks? Russians will decide the future of Russians and not strawmen.
Dear Elon Musk, I am not sure whether on the whole I agree with you or not. Nevertheless, the antagonists in this war are not Ukraine and Russia but the United States and its vassals against Russia.