Wagner members in Rostov-on-Don
It seems that the armed munity in Russia has reached its end before its real start.
In the evening of June 24, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko announced that he had arranged an agreement whereby Wagner Group head Evgeny Prigozhin will abandon his mutiny and stop the movement of Wagner units towards Moscow in exchange for “security guarantees” for his fighters.
“As a result, the parties agreed to the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on Russian territory.
Evgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of President Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of armed men of Wagner in Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tension,” Lukashenko’s office said in a statement.
Lukashenko’s talks with Prigozhin, said to have stretched throughout the day, were agreed with Putin.
The report further indicated that “absolutely advantageous and acceptable option for resolving the situation” had been tabled, including “security guarantees for Wagner’s fighters.”
In an audio recording, Prigozhin said that his units had stopped 200 km from Moscow, and, recognizing the danger of “blood being spilled.”
Prigozhin stated that Wagner units turn their forces around and return to their ‘field camps’.
The announcement came as a Wagner convoy moved closer to Moscow Region (according to Prigozhin – 200km to the city). In a statement on June 23, Prigozhin declared that he was moving on Moscow to confront Russian military officials he labeled corrupt.
Nonetheless, Prigozhin’s actions and rebellion attempt garnered no support from the Russian population and establishment. Russian President Vladimir Putin described the situation as “backstabbing our country and our people,” while Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) opened a criminal investigation into Prigozhin for “calling for an armed rebellion.”
Senior Russian political and military figures called on Wagner fighters to de-escalate the situation and lay down their arms. Considering the news about the accepted agreement, it seems this is happening right now.
Meanwhile, reports appeared that forces of the Kyiv regime are launching a new large-scale attack on the Russian military as part of the so-called ‘counter-offensive’. Intense fighting continue on key parts of the frontline. Zaporozhye Region and South Donetsk region remain the main hot points.
The situation is developing.
great news
demons do police humanity. demons from washington dc (demonic city)
that’s a twisted spin.
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you mean angels not demons, demons are fallen angels and thoroughly evil entities. are you a satanist or something?
no dude, he means “demons” as in “fallen angels”, which do indeed rule the western world and most particularly that luciferian cesspit otherwise known as washington dc.
clearly, by defending the demonic spawn who control the american empire, you have revealed your own credentials as a satanist.
sorry, dude, like fat people blocking the sidewalk, there’s no getting around it – you’re going to hell, and there’s no way back.
you see this is how seething faggots cope. attempting to stir up division and animosity within russia because their gay little plot fell apart. oh well better luck next time around foreign agents and adversaries of russia.
well we here in america have fallen under the control of demons and it hasn’t worked out so well for us. we kill unborn children enmass and believe men can be women because they say so. emotion based rule sets.
i am conservative and a patriot. not american, in europe. do you know the reason the gop failed in the midterm election? your ridiculous focus on abortion. by the way, if it’s “demonic,” what about biblical times when abortion was everywhere? and the bible authors didn’t even mention it, let alone oppose it.
any time abortion rights have risked being threatened, people have punished the gop hard. in referendums/elections in seven states, several of which are red. time to learn. meanwhile you don’t mention mass immigration. the u.s. is being swamped by non-whites who vote for the anti-white leftists, who steal jobs and college seats from whites, let out criminal gang members to prey on the population, but you cruzbots oppose abortion but not mass immigration.
if, and a big ‘if’ the wagner forces were attacked in their rest and recuperation field camp’s, it is very likely that nato special forces were involved. the british sas being the prime suspects and are experts in dirty tricks.
prezoghin has the classical symptoms of ‘ptsd’, ranting and blaming people .
you might be right, something is wrong with prigozhin. very soon we will know the facts about the rebellion.
you would think that prighozhin would have shown everyone pictures or videos of these destroyed barracks, accompanied by a rant, but it seems no. suspicious…
putin should have gotten rid of prighozhin a few months ago. other guys are the strategists and fighters in the wagner group who win the battles and prighozhin gets all the credit. he’s no military expert. they would have won in bakhmut without him.
exactly, assassinate him and accuse sbu of terrorism (and they are terrorists). then vow to avenge him. perfect!
i find it disturbing that honesty and honour appear to have gone just as much out of fashion on your side as on the western side. makes me wonder more and more what the difference might be.
to be fair, his name is machiavelli.
exactly. prig is not a military commander. he is not the head of wagner. only of the business through which they get supplies. the gru created wagner and got prig as a figurehead. he has exploited the situation for his ego. claiming “traitors in command” don’t give wagner enough supplies – the head of the czhechnyans had to point out all units in wars think they aren’t getting enough. prig has ptsd from staying at the bakhmut front.
interesting how fast people forget their once hailed heroes… prighozhin for sure is a very strange character who does and says crazy things sometimes. however he also does and say things that have to be done, have to be said and are extremely important. and there is a reason the most competent soldiers of russia end up in wagner, you better don’t discard that all just so you can avoid uneasy questions.
one would have to assess prighozhin as a true russian patriot, at the very least.
however, as in most everything, there are degrees of patriotism and its methods.
martin armstrong of armstrong economics has been warning that if president putin is removed, then those who replace him – inarguably true patriots just like putin, no doubt – would be real hard-liners who would have no hesitation to go full retard against the west.
very sad – but perhaps that’s what the west deserves.
the problem with “what the west deserves” is this goes both ways, whenever somebody who was a hardliner came to power it hurt not only the enemy but the own people. putin knows this, that’s why he is so moderate about europe, he knows russias best partner would be germany. the us know it too & try to prevent it. the only people who don’t know it are the germans themselves. maybe this is about to change – but for that you need a moderate russian leader. it’s all about interests.
prigoshin was loyal. everything he is and was depends on putin. he made advances in ukraine for the sake of his master, he informed him about the real situation in ukraine whereas the defense ministry tried to draw a better picture to avoid to comitt failures. a coup against moskow was more likely a suicide mission for wagner/prigosin. he got best end with this deal. it seems too gentle for a revolution. he would be hanged/killed for this action. thereismore than we know.
nato are suckers. jajajajaja.
so if all this is just prighozhin’s political maneuvering and populist/demagogue show of force then it’s both crazy and brilliant. we’ll see soon if they stop advance to moscow or not.
its stopped. lukashenko agreed all with prigozhin. putin was briefed on it.
wishful thinking…wagner will not stop until putin is removed!
as you say…wishful thinking.
awww look at this sad little troll coming out of his cave again 😂😂😂
1 day later: the reality has won as usual lol
keep fighting against your common enemy kievs nazigroup and make end to nazi clowns regime!
what, about putin backstabbing syria, iran and libya. putin should first looks his backstabbing, before accusing others.
putin saved syria you deluded arsehole.
you are misinformed or just stupid.
they always blame the others of what they have done. it’s inversion and it is the core of satanists propaganda.
what are you on about? what was it president assad said about being grateful and thankful for the russian help? ‘you either have a country, or you don’t.’ when talking about the immature hysteria of the us leaders, compared to the intelligent maturity of the russian leaders.
you are very correct, am.
thank you florian.
prigozhin is the real man who cares for his fighters, unlike the russian mod and kremlin who sent their men to war (to die) without proper support and planning. shoigu should be sacked.
bullshit of course , prigozhin cares first about his money and then about his ass , he is a “businessman” first of all and not a soldier. honor his achievements at donbas , but his ego is in his way , again and again. prigozhin in kreml would be a danger both for russia and for all of us. the best i think he would be removed from power and set in some controlled health center , with good medication , till the smo is finished. then maybe some nice datcha in siberia as reward.
the kremlin and the russian mod sent the troops to ukraine first to prevent the bloodbath in donbas and socond to denazify and demilitarise ukraine , sure not to die but to win.
i agree .. atleast that nigga prigo is on the front.. the rest are fake as fuck, in the ivory towers .. even putin is gettin suss these days and hes the boi …
hmm “lets take out rail links and ammo depots last” mmm smort
certainly not great patriotic war of russia. the nation itself is more fragile than public propaganda is claiming. russia is now one of those weakening european ex-big powers (like uk, france, germany).
remind me, how much territory from ukraine has returned to russia and then compare the superpower of russia, with the begging bowl nation next door.
frustrated because the so wishful awaiting putch in russia failed , right? i’ve watched yesterday the angry and frustrated faces of “studio experts” on tv. there was only one who calmly admitted the whole thing was hopeless from the beginning and all the celebrating reporting senseless exaggerated. and no , russia is not weakened by this rebellion , rather consolidated by the successful management of the crisis. nato is still to survive such crisis.
“the wagner pmcs is deploying its columns and going back to the field camps”, prigozhin said❗️
russian mod and military leadership are so jealous of wagners, and feel real insecurity. wagner has done what they couldn’t.
prighozhin is another f-king j-e-w! russians never learn anything otherwise they would expel all f-king j-e-w-s from russia long time ago.
never ever put your trust upon that tribe. putin is too much of a boomer for his own good. they don’t have any loyalty for us and will absolutely betray on a dime.
how odd situation. because only wagner pmc can advance against ukrainian army. so, prigozhin see that he was over-emotional, that his killed soldiers no longer important, but numbers left to go back and fight for russia. i agree but investigation in prigozhin’s claims is needed, we need to understand “who” killed wagner’s soldiers.
now i understand that prigozhin can be easy manipulated or he was threaten and to his soldiers too. i would never agree if no investigation has been taking place.
no one killed wagner’s soldiers, his claims are ridiculous and completely fake. but he shot down at least one russian helicopter, some sources claim even 3-4, which is more than ukrainians did for their entire counter-offensive. he cannot be abolished from these crimes. not to mention an armed rebellion/attempted putsch.
investigation would let us see truth.
in one of previous sf’s articles i also said if investigation shows no men of wagner’s units were killed that prigozhin should be held accountable at court trial. so only investigation can help to resolve this.
if prigozhin killed and/or assassinated there would be nobody to lead wagner soldiers. russia needs prigozhin desperately to continue fighting ukraine. think again.
comment from 41 minutes ago and from 19 minutes ago i didn’t reply to myself, there was user something as “demons-humans” that these comments i replied to. his/her all comments are deleted, but how that could edit my two comments in reply to that user changing it into reply to myself … so strange.
whatever. the only thing that matters is that he is pushed to the side. you cannot allow people who have openly betrayed and declared a rebellion on you to continue having authority in operational matters.
i guess you are right. i just feel sorry it came to that point, because wagner soldiers did their best to push ukrainian enemy. i think there was not enough talks in between and prigozhin felt hardship of fighting not having enough weapons, soldiers been killed, rescued children and people make people emotional. he didn’t want to conquer russia, but to help russia denazify and demilitarize ukraine.
i think he is just too loud man when he needed to be patient. i am a woman, so i see things in a different way. he didn’t want to attack anyone in moscow, he wanted truth out to be loud but this had to be stopped. i can see his pain if he was so much attached to his soldiers. he was boiling from inside and he needed either time free from battlefield or crosstalk with military men in moscow with whom he had misunderstanding for some time now.
have you considered that the nato special forces are active in russia and field camps are an easy target ?
yes. also one of reasons why investigation should be taken into action. if it is sabotage by ukraine or nato, we need plain truth that is all. if it is sabotage, prigozhin also need to learn from his mistakes not to point finger at anyone before investigation. if it is sabotage, russian soldiers going to be determined to faster free ukraine.
i am pro-russian, not trolling around, so that you know. i like truth that is all, and only if investigated i will know truth, if not investigated i will believe what prigozhin said.
so far russia always done investigations, i am sure putin is going to order it.
prigozhin was probably under stressed emotions if true his men were killed. like any other person would over-react, probability also is some of these killed men were his friends too or close in fights or men of trust and good soldiers. also if true, he lost a lot of men, i would be pissed off like crazy because that means slower progress in freeing ukraine.
what really brought my attention was, that prigozhin pointed finger in russian military hq, it raises many questions, why he done it before investigation because it can destroy him what he has done, unless its ordered propaganda ukraine and west to think that russia is breaking from inside.
did you notice how the media was primed and ready to spring into action? like whenever a false flag goes down. do believe that prighozin is having some type of mental breakdown, as you state, most probably caused by ptsd. glad that lukashenko negotiated a deal.
any russian soldier with ptsd deserves treatment in secure hospitals until they are more at peace with themselves. wartime internal feuds must be contained.
yes , but only if prigozhin’s allegations are true. it’s also possible , prigozhin himself misused his privilleges and didn’t understand to cooperate properly with the military command. he was sure not in a position to demand more missiles in bakhmut , since the russian mod had to organise reserves for the whole ukrainian front , and additionally to take care about other possible attacks by nato , example georgia or kazakhstan , of course belarus and kaliningrad as well.
there is also possible , some famous russian maskirovka…
muzicienii sunt un reper pe campul de lupta
kudos to president putin! well played. despite the downed helicopter looking slightly faked, after the (staged? or old? or even real) explosions on the bridge i (almost) fell for the ruse. or “maskirovka”. very well played. twitter is full of morons claiming “putin is finished”. he just identified traitors and gave everybody a message on how much he is in control. fine trade-craft.
prigoschin, according to alexander mercouris / the duran, doesn’t even run wagner. it’s run directly by the fsb. this was “maskirovka”.
for what maskirovka ? to see how fast would ukrainians be in moscow if bakhmut fails down or ?
gordana , if you watch all the theatralics yesterday on western tv , then you will realize this maskirovka. i suppose there is even more defeat of the western special services in russia by this action. otherwise they would’t be so furious and disappointed now.
my thoughts were that this was staged for the same reason as the previous “running out of ammo, gonna retreat” theatrics, to bait the ukrainians into being more brazen in their attacks.
the only question about this psyop is whether it’s cia or russian
commiserations to all the nato trolls out there who thought their luck was in. you needed some good news but now it’s back to the usual bad news for the puppet state of ukraine.
basic sun tsu is “when weak, try to appear strong, when strong, try to appear weak.” i wondered from the beginning of this bizarre episode if it was all theater to make russia appear divided and in chaos to ukraine in order to lure them into overplaying their hand. if ukraine is redoubling their counter-offensive efforts, it worked.
it’s a possibility.l
also, it’s the perfect cover for moving large parts of wagner to belarus, if that was the plan. maybe we see a second front soon?
also my thoughts yesterday when i heard lukashenko , putin and prigozhin would all agree , prigozhin is moving now to belarus lol “they are marching to moscow” lol
the tip off for me was when the rt reporter happened to be near the rostov base when the shot was fired. then he and most (not all) started jogging, not running for their lives with fear in their eyes. then the reporter decided to stop and just so happened to be beside a young couple who speak good english. as chintzy as the ukro productions.
another cia failure
a diversion from the massive ukrainian losses over last two weeks.
who is prigozhin to take a city hostage and march his private army to moscow?!? everything he has he has cause the russian government allowed him to have (recruiting prisoners for his paramilitary, arming them etc.). if there are security guarantees for wagner fighters there should be no such thing for prigozhin himself! has russia fallen so low that a capitalist businessman can hire a private military and use blatant force to get what he wants??
his gamble cost the lives of russian pilots and soldiers when his mercenaries shot down several helicopters! prigozhin offered no evidence to back his accusations against russian ministers and even if there is corruption and incompetence in the russian government and ministry of defense, this is not the way to handle it.
mr prigozhin main beef could be that they needed ammunition and were not getting it. he was probably losing fighters too due to the lack of resources being supplied by the russian military. the lack of resources was also impacting their advances. so perhaps mr prigozhin got the feeling that his wagner forces were doing so well that the russian top brass got jealous of their success and tried to slow their progress so as not to make the russian military look bad compared to wagner forces.
that’s the problem with russia: everyone can do whatever he wants. legal system is weak and pathetic, unlike ‘democratic’ west where you will be crushed and destroyed in 2 seconds if you do something not allowed.
if only russia is “brutal dictatorship” from western media but sadly it’s not.
the west legal system is strong against the weak but weak against the strong. there is a very little club at the summit, they are not elected, not televised but decide about everything. their propaganda machine is the biggest ever created.
thank god… that was close.
‘close’ it was a none event without a change of success.
all this has demonstrated is putin is a weak leader. russia should have mobilized and crushed the nazis a long time ago.
putin is not weak leader, he plays accordingly to business deals with countries and situations, not rushing, because rushing brings mistakes. he does not rush to end it because it can lead to ww3. we all want this to come to an end and russia to free ukraine. but we are not in charge.
the british gave it a shot. the mutineers will be executed, or they will go home to london.
we should ask why usa and russia has not been very successful in their latest wars. it is suggesting that china has far better methods to achieve its goals in foreign policy. trade and co-operation works, war sucks.
however , if china were not prepared for the war with us , it would have been crushed also economically long time ago. it seems , both is necessary: a strong military and a strong economy. above all a strong patriotic country and wise and brave leadership of course. trade and cooperation without the other skills is the naive and sure way to self-destruction. see gorbatchev and yeltsin.