Azerbaijan Mulls Cooperation with CSTO

Still didn’t get your point. 1. People on both sides of the river speak the same language, 2. they both call themselves Azeri, 3. statistically indeed there are more people in Iran calling themselves Azeri and speaking that language than in Azerbaijan Republic. So that statement is correct. Or am I missing something?

Sorry but I can’t be any more clear.

1. For thousands of years the words “Azerbaijan” and “Azeri” belonged to the region and people south of the Aras river.

2. The people of the region speak the same language because the entire region of Caucasus and Anatolia had their indigenous languages Turkify after the Mongol invasions, this doesn’t mean they’re now the “same people” and should be called by the same name.

3. Imagine if after a few centuries the vast majority of the American state of Texas became Spanish speakers due to immigration. This doesn’t mean the Mexican government can suddenly change the name of its northern province to “Texas” and claim both sides of the border are “the same people”.

If you still don’t get it, then let’s just end the conversation here.

1. And for thousands of years west of Turkey was predominantly Greek, should we now call people who live there Greeks? 2. It doesn’t matter what we call them. What matters who they idetify themselves with, based on the evidence of ethnicity, language and geography. 3. It depends if the people in Texas accept that claim or not. If it is mutually accepted, who are we to judge them.

But anyways, this conversation has nothing to do with the article, so i will stop here.

1. The people of Western Turkey ARE predominantly ethnic Greeks, they have simply lost their indigenous language through a process called “Elite dominance”. It’s the same process that occured in Africa where many African peoples adopted the language of their colonial masters. No sane person would call a Portuguese speaking Angolan Black person a “Portuguese” person.

2. I’m sorry but reality matters. Just because some insane person wants to identify as a tree doesn’t mean the rest of humanity should do too. You’re free to identify as whatever you want but the rest of us living in reality will identify you as what you actually are. All the evidence that you mentioned clearly indicates that these people are NOT Azeris since “Azeri” has a clear historical and geographical implication.

3. In this case there’s no mutual agreement, it was a one sided forced issue without any discussion or mutual agreement.

1. Based on information available to me, there is absolutely no scientific research/evidence proving that people on both sides of the river are not ethnically related enough to be called the same ethnic name. In a contrary language and their ethnic identity allows it. 2. As you may have seen from my previous comments, I have indeed mentioned the necessity of ethnic, geographical and linguistic evidence in order to be able to identify yourself a certain ethnic group. so that covers it. That evidence is not identified or researched by you or me. It is done by scientists and they at the moment classify both of those people as Azeri(sometimes Azerbaijani). So facts are always stronger than our opinions. 3. Perhaps it was. But right now both of them identify themselves as Azeri. So the notion of who did it first or why they did it, doesn’t matter any more. I am not saying that you are wrong, of course you can choose to live with the reality of few hundreds or if you like even thousands of years ago. But I will prefer keep up with the changing world, so I cannot agree with your idea.

1. They are ethnically related enough because they are both Iranians.

2. The current identification is not the result of “scientific” classification, rather it is the the result of naming these people according to what they name themselves. In other words, had the Russian empire not labeled these people as “Azeri” they would not be called “Azeri” today. My whole point is that according to history, geography, science, or whatever else you want to look into these people are NOT Azeri, they are only Azeri politically since that is their current political name.

3. I normally wouldn’t care how someone wants to identify themselves but in this case this has security and political implications for Iran. If you read the comment below me written by the Zionist troll “putinbeater” you’ll understand what I mean. Right now the republic of Azerbaijan has been turned into a Zionist base of operation against Iran and they encourage and advertise separatism inside Iran due to this very fake historical naming mistake. Not just that but they also allow Israel to conduct military and espionage operations from their territory against Iran. Now their effects inside Iran are virtually none but it affects naive and uneducated non-Iranians such as yourselves and others forcing people like me to have to constantly explain why such notions are fake and incorrect.

Of course people like you have political incentives to want to cling to this anti-Iran Zionist propaganda operation naively thinking you’re going to get something out of it in the future but any educated honest and impartial person will accept facts and reality once they see it. You said “I will prefer to keep up with a changing world”. I can assure you that the current situation will not remain constant and will change some time down the line. Once you declare yourself a hostile power to Iran, Iran isn’t just going to sit on the sidelines and watch. That’s all I will say for now and sorry but I’m not interested in continuing this conversation since I know you’re politically motivated and not interested in facts or reality so I won’t read your next response. Peace out.

ok bye