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As a humanitarian ceasefire enters force between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces in the Nagorno-Karabakh region, Azerbaijani sources continue releasing videos of artillery and aerial strikes on Armenian targets.
The videos include the moments of the alleged destruction of 35D6 (ST-68U) radars and alleged S-300 missile launcher of the Armenian military with Israeli IAI Harop loitering munitions. The first incident took place near the village of Khojaly the Khojaly District, while another one near the village of Qubadlı in the Kashatagh District of the self-proclaimed Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (Republic of Artsakh).
The 35D6 is the vehicle-carried three-dimensional air surveillance radar system (NATO reported name Tin Shield). The range of the radar’s prime functions includes the detection of low-flying targets protected with active/passive jamming screens, and also the performance of air traffic control.
It can be operated as a separate installation as well as a part of the S-300 air-defense system. Using this fact, Azerbaijani sources claimed that two S-300 systems of the Armenian military were destroyed in the area.
The strike near Khojaly:
The strike near Qubadli:
Meanwhile, the Azerbaijani side also released a video of the alleged destruction of the S-300 missile launcher. The location of the strike is unclear, but it may have taken place near Qubadli:
Nonetheless, it remains unclear for what purposes Armenian forces may have deployed long-range air defense systems such close to the frontline. Also, no reports about the deployment of such systems are available. On the other hand, it is likely that the Armenian side may have been trying to use these radars in the combat zone in order to detect and deter Azerbaijani-operated (and Turkish-operated) drones.
In any case, such strikes demonstrate the low air-defense capabilities of Armenian forces in the Karabakh region and near it.
My forecast before became true, that if Azerbaijan backed by Turkey cannot go beyond the line of control for the period of 2 to 3 weeks, both Armenia and Azerbaijan will meet in the negotiating table.
Because Azerbaijan blitzkrieg attacked failed to fulfill their objectives.
Despite the fresh ceasefire that were agreed by both parties, Azerbaijan continue publishing their inconvincible gains and advance purposely to be use as leverage during the negotiations.
It is the same case of Turkey vs SAA in Idlib…then Turkish told that they have been destroyed SAA….but few days after SAA launched an offensive and retake Saraqib and M5 Highway beside 5 village!…AZ are using guide artillery and many small drones on air…some of them sending the target coordinates..another group pointing the target with laser…another used as Loitering ( have only 2kg of explosive)…but for other side I have no doubts that Armenia are deploying ( like Serbs) fake Military equipment as we have seen a drone attacking a model of SA-8!…to win a war needed Air force support with high explosive bombs to attack trench and caves and infantery advancing on ground!…
parroting same things even after i debunked you several times?…did you read the article above?…WARHEAD WEIGHT 25 KG!!! :DDD
Only Harop have 23kg…Orbiter 2kg…and Harpy 10kg….10kg and 2 kg vs armour T-72B2/3 is nothing!
Those video did not show a contact strike rather their videos cut short implying an early detonation/destruction of the loitering munition. The Israeli suicide drones the Azeris use have really good to the point of impact cameras which clearly halted here still short of the target. They have shown other videos where they virtually checked out the victims arms for tattoos before signal failure
The video feed breaking up close to the point of impact is probably caused by signal attenuation as the drone enters a valley.
Harop rules and s-300 is watching but of course operators are not professional:)))
if it is true azerbaycan is the first country that destroyed s300…
true???of course true..real time cam record…uavs simply continues genociding Russian aa..
Azerbaijan also has a base on the Moon. and that is true.
There is a no reason not to believe Azerbaijani claims. The videos explicitly show the destruction of the S-300 batteries. It also brings into question the substantial cost of cumbersome SAM batteries that have proved so vulnerable to small precision warheads.
Its not the systems fault if the whole operation is deliberately set up to fail. Armenian leadership are traitors. S-300s are offline no Su-30s in the sky. S-300s have an auto detection and engagement mode even against stealth aircraft. No way a drone even if its stealth could get close enough for a hit. The only way that could happen if its offline. And who and why would give such an order? I go further…thats a medium/long range SAM why put it on the front when it could operate from deep behind safety? Im telling people that for day, nobody believes me, but its clear as the sky, Armenian leadership are traitors whom want to inflict maximum damage against their own country.
Such a decoy…
Loser …. you can’t accept that Russian tech is useless against superior Israeli tech?
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Loser …. you can’t accept that Israeli tech is useless against superior Russian tech? Fixed… next
ROTFLMAO
The proof is the twisted metal of the S-300 lying on the ground …
Just like Soleimani’s detached hand …
Cry more Shlomo. Proof is you couldnt steamroll Syria neither Iran. You can only succedd with treason, like inapt CIA pimped Armenian leadership.
DEFLECTION … lol
Whose your daddy? pmsl
Truth hurts. Try to handle it Trollstoy…
The truth is Russia’s S-300 is a piece of junk
Russian tech is useless … if you can’t hack new American or Israeli tech your days are numbered …
Most Arabs don’t have options to buy US and/or Israeli tech … they’re stuck … lol
Syria ALWAYS CLAIMS TO SHOOT DOWN MISSILES but the targets are ALWAYS destroyed …. satellite pictures show the RESULTS … loser
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Thats BS and you know it. Lay down the crack now, wash your hands and do your homework. Bye Trollstoy…
What has it shot down?
IsraHell will die hard soon as any MORON does sooner or later…
Remind me … does the ‘House’ ALWAYS win at the Casino?
moron
No S-400 and S-300 have been destroyed by the israelis in Syria … and the superior israeli tech ??? for what ?? more than 300 hundred air strike to destroy a simple one Sa-22 ?? Iran have more soldier every day in Syria and their air strike are a totaly failed ones …
The satellite pictures of destruction on specific targets says different … eh?
Despite SANA reporting how many missiles were short down by Syrian Anti-Aircraft Batteries … lol
May it ever be thus …
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Laughs best who laughs last … !
Yes … let’s see
I don’t have a dog in that fight … eh?
Let them keep on killing each other ….
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Donald Casinos already went brook… has been, who’s next, after civil war ? Nato is a card castel, German getting tired to be US occupied, France and Italy too…
What’s Wrong with Development? The Geopolitics of The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) The Belt and Road Initiative seeks to bring development to the world. Why is this a problem for the USA and some of its Western allies? Keith Lamb explains why.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/geopolitics-belt-road-initiative/5726054
Xi … who the f/k mentioned BRI except YOU
Think out of a Golf rolling ball… !
AZERBAIJAN, ARMENIAN war IN KARABAKH, alike all US/UK/Israel/Nato world wide proxies(Al Qaida and al) “Terrorism” and insurrections is run to give BRI troubles
Confusing garbage … stick to chinese
There is a misunderstanding, America was during Centuries a place where Europe was used to drop garbage peoples !
Tell me what do you eat, I will tell you who you are !
Junk-Food fits Gun-Totting Americans killing each-others !
Chinese Food excellency fits Chinese !
Hey …. I like Chinese food … I’m into stir frying a couple of meals each week
BUT … eating bats or pangolins aren’t for me …. eh?
The virus has emerged AGAIN AND AGAIN from your Chinese culture …
Let’s HOPE you and your culture pay for it ….
Inshallah
Uneducated US/CA are MSM grotesque victims !
Lederhosen is that YOU? lol
Lederhosen is Bayern or Tyrol…
Geneva is more Albert Gallatin type…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Gallatin or Francois Le Fort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Le_Fort_(admiral)
But more humble, still used to have met the World most importants, not only China-Russia, South East Asia, in the Americas too….
PS: Maybe you should go back to school to learn Geography & History !
Why?
Think about to change your pseudo with “ersatz”… !
No
Look at this … !
Isn’t it EC taking distance from the US ? ? ? Eurasia is the Future, US/Israhell like it or not ! ========================================= https://www.globalresearch.ca/european-oil-companies-not-tolerate-poland-attempt-cancel-nord-stream-2/5726344
European Oil Companies Will Not Tolerate Poland’s Attempt to Cancel Nord Stream 2
By Paul Antonopoulos
Global Research, October 12, 2020
Region: Europe, Russia and FSU
Theme: Oil and Energy
By handing out a €6.5 billion fine against Gazprom, Warsaw has obviously and massively miscalculated because it did not only antagonize the Russian energy company as was intended, but also European partners of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline project, which the Polish government obviously had not considered. Even leaders within the European Union were shocked at the huge fine that Poland is attempting to impose against Nord Stream 2.
It may very well be that the Polish Office of Competition and Consumer Protection (UOKiK) has lost itself when deciding on the price of the fine against Gazprom. But regardless of that, UOKiK has apparently also exceeded its jurisdiction. As the Düsseldorf-based energy supplier Uniper reports, the existing agreements on Nord Stream 2 have nothing to do with a joint venture, which is why the Polish laws on merger controls do not apply to them. The initial plans were to finance the construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline through the establishment of a joint venture. For this, however, the companies involved should have received a permit in all the countries in which they operate, as well as from Poland, the only EU state that blocked this decision. The decision for it not to be a joint venture was made without further ado so as not to waste time or money in a dispute with Polish authorities.
Etc., etc…. https://www.globalresearch.ca/european-oil-companies-not-tolerate-poland-attempt-cancel-nord-stream-2/5726344
Eurasia is the future?
The jury is out … eh?
Only if they are deactivated directly from Kremlin.
If that was the case Armenia would cry about it. Its their own leadership, sorry to dissapoint you. Also Ukrop S-300 would have been deactivated a long time ago, but they arent.
Or it’s simply what it is, Russian junk is outdated, they can’t keep up with the NATO technology.
Thats why the U.S. and all its NATO vassals lost in Syria… Keep dreaming…
In Syria NATO was half hearthed and not supported by the public opinion. Make no mistake if USA was fully determined like in Iraq, Russia wouldn’t havw dare to intervene. They waited for 3.5 years and observed the Pentagon is not investing much in this war.
They invested a lot, not only the U.S. but the UK, France, Turkey, Israel, all failed, big time. That’s a Vietnam 2.0 for the U.S., not only in Syria but the whole region.
Pfft :P
That’s a lot of passive aggression from you :)
Meanwhile Azeri S-300s just working fine. What a surprise…
Because Armenians don’t use NATO drones :)
Of course they work fine agains Russian junk, they have been tested against Russian toys.
That’s a lot of crying and raging ? Are you on your period again…?
Truth hurts. Try to handle it.
Indeed you should ?
Sofar a 130 drones were lost. Yes, very advanced…. Even half assed offline air defense is decimating them. Imagine if Armenia wasn’t lead by traitors…
If not kamikaze drones, it sounds like pumped up numbers. Like both sides do. No matter who rules Armenia, Russian junk is junk. Best adverising for Turkish and Israeli drones.
You spelled Turkish, Israeli junk wrong tho. 130 lost and all they did is manage to take out 3 offline SAMs. How much is a drone worth? $2-3mullion… Simple math. Obsolete NAZIATO junk, failed like in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia…
How comes Azerbaijan eventho much bigger than Armenia with Turkish and Israeli help plus traitor Armenian leadership and they still can’t steamroll them. That’s pretty sad…
So why are the screaming when russia wanna sell it to other nations like turkey? You can destroy any system when not ready or active!
Turkey is a member of NATO, if Belarus would buy Patriot Russia was screaming too. Not because they are afraid of Patriot.
iran and syria were not Nato members and they still scream! Same with iraq! Or lebanon!
All I can hear is Putin screaming “please lift the sanctions”.
You might be right buddy!
In third video the tubes are not even erected in launch position. Why not a decoy? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7add4fc01516a70632acc634ecbdcb755c25ff9b6dde5bf5740bf455a6ca45c4.jpg
You mean a fake launcher? Could be.
“S-300s have an auto detection and engagement mode even against stealth aircraft.”
Some do, but do they all?
They should in theory. Aside from that Armenia bought 50 units, I would be very surprised if they havent seen any mid life upgrades during the years, that would be highly unusual.
Upgrades cost money. If it wasn’t budgeted for they may not have been done. I’m not aware if the Tin Shield system can be upgraded for stealth aircraft. It doesn’t appear to have been designed for that originally. And these are the earliest Tin Shield models. Even if upgrades are or were available giving them stealth detection ability that they didn’t originally have. These are old units that could easily not be operating to spec due to deferred maintenance.
http://www.ausairpower.net/clamshell.html
The Armenian units look like 2nd gen S-300PS launchers according to Wikipedia with first gen 35D6 Tin Shield radars according to this article. The 35D6 is the earliest of the Tin Shield radars. How effective it is against stealth targets is questionable. What kind of repair it was in and whether it was operating to spec is unknown. But given the age it’s reasonable to suspect that it had issues. And even if it was operating to spec.. What type of jamming it may have been subjected to is unknown. But again it’s reasonable to suspect that jamming on a legacy system of this age may have blinded it to the incoming attack.
You linked to the Clam Shield radar which is a 2nd gen radar system used with the S-300 launchers.
“Armenia – S-300PS (SA-10) 50 systems”
– S-300 missile system –
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system#Radar
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7d8cc7a11de9a5f82767d51990a0f274c9dd7bcbcd0ee7fc84af2ba68ff54fc.png
– S-300 missile system –
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system#Radar
Its not the operators nor the system bro, but the leadership. Armenian leadership is doing more damage to Armenia than Azeris. Thats a clear example.
sarcasm..in fact all the components of aa eco-system has to be integrated to each other in a multi-layer area sending data through links to each other in nano-seconds with the help of advanced land-based ew’s and early radar nets+some automated 23/30 mm(ciws maybe) makes it rock but highly expensive..not for Armenia…
Thats all true. But an S-300 is able to defend itself even in a worst case scenario like this. Except if its offline.
Kiiling a fly with a sledge hammer:)))
Indeed. But wasting a missile is still cheaper than wasting the whole complex.
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Now who has the power to give an order like that? Its the same as the U.S. Navy stood down and Pearl Harbour eventho they knew the attack is coming. Why? To force the U.S. into WWII. I can only guess but I think Armenian leadership wants to do the same except they want to drag Russia in the war. Wont happen. Not with this CIA pimped leadership.
pashinyan is narsist,maniac..rumours pro-russian generals in armenian army wants to get rid of him as well…
Would be a good idea, I hate that troll.
Erdogan is exactly the same maniac … Turkish generals want to get rid of him.
cry me a river:)))
I know he has replaced all the generals because he is afraid of a new coup …. but there are still many who do not want him.
The reason for why the system was not activated in Syria seems to have been found.
Exactly, and I have kept saying we will destroy it if it’s used against our jets.
It is interesting to know if all those who have asked in the past on SF – why Syria is not responding to the Israeli bombings on the Iranian forces ? Understand now why. Or they still believe the silly rhetoric of the mullahs regime.
sometimes they do respond but are not able to hit the planes the russian sam are really bad,
Some of the guys here are asking why Syria does not fire missiles at Israel, etc. In response. And I always answer that Assad is a smart guy, he doesn’t want to commit suicide. Because Israel can overthrow its government in a very short time. I wonder if now the guys here understand better what a fraction of the capabilities that Israel has can cause the Syrian army.
They won’t understand Free Man, you have to see it with your own eyes like I have. I can tell you there are some weapons systems we refuse to use in Gaza or Lebanon because it would kill hundreds of them in one hit. Assad is smarter than the SF guys here, he knows what a war against Israel means and so does Nasrallah.
You’ve already been hit repeatedly. Assad isn’t afraid of the IDF. He’s just busy wiping out your terrorist proxies at this time and doesn’t want to waste time and resources in an escalation with Israel. Keeping you out of Syrian airspace and groundspace is sufficient at this time.
The status quo will change as the Syrian war winds down with a Syrian victory. Then a regional coalition can deal with the middle east’s Jew problem from a position of strength. Which is what your Yinon plan forever war is all about. To keep that from happening. But with the JWO losing to the SCO Eurasian integration. Your Satanic cult master elites have triggered their global Sampson plan to try to regain the control that they’re losing.
We shall see? but you have to stay loyal to your name and be like Richard the Lionheart. So, when do we see you with the SAA forces? it’s much easier to send others to die.
Sending others to die is a Jew specialty.
If I’m successful in transitioning into a 7 figure net worth. Forming a licensed security company in the US and a PMC for overseas use is on my to do list. One that I can integrate into joint operations with the Russian military to the extent that it’s legally possible for a US citizen. But also for projects like mining companies in areas where it’s needed.
I’m already running live ammo ops dealing with social strife here and non conventional activity. Anything that I get involved in where live fire prep is part of the gear load out will probably either be domestic security, ET/ED/non conventional contact work here or off planet ops.
If that involves dealing with Mossad or the IDF until they’re disbanded. I’ll address that on a case by case basis. You have enough enemies already. You don’t need me coming after you.
Oh no, Richard is coming for us. One tank shell and you and your brave future to be PMC’s will be deep in the ground, and that is if some SOF unit won’t get you first. Be careful who you’re messing with, although it would be amusing if you did that. Go ahead, you have my blessing!
You’re misrepresenting what I wrote. I said that you have enough enemies already, you don’t need me coming after you. What that means, in case English isn’t your first language, and you have trouble understanding it. Is that I have more important things to do with my life than getting involved in conflict with the likes of Israel.
Well for a change you wrote a smart comment, because even our most hated enemies know our capabilities and they know when to stand down. As far as I care, you can make 10,000,000 dollars (or more) and have a good life, it’s none of my business. But anyone that comes here to hurt Israelis, will find me and hundreds of thousands of IDF troops ready for battle they won’t forget.
As far as your tanks and sof are concerned. Revisit the maps that I posted showing how badly the IDF, Mossad and your terrorist subsidiaries are losing the Syrian war.
I actually have some USSF training. So I know I know a little something about it. If you think that I’m afraid of the IDF or Mossad, you’re mistaken.
It’s a whole lot easier to get a missile into Syria, most or all of which miss or get shot down if the target is defended, than it is to get a chopper in. Let alone get it back out again with retrieved sof onboard. With little or no air retrieval capability. How many of your sof haven’t come back, and are either dead or sitting in a Syrian jail with a long sentence or the death penalty ahead of them? Quite a few I imagine.
I don’t debate “what if analysis”, I look at facts. Do you really think the SAA could have taken Daraa next to our border if we hadn’t allowed them? the only reason they are there in the first place is because Russia asked us not to step into the war. I guess they know alot more than you about our ground forces. So to claim our SOF and tanks failed is incorrect, they didn’t engage the SAA and Assad knows we can take him down in a direct war. Our airstikes are aimed at Iran, and most of them find their targets. Another fact is, Hezbollah and Iran could not build up the military force they wanted in Syria, we foiled their attemps and Russia even welcomes it. You read the map wrong buddy, you haven’t seen anything from our side yet.
More misrepresentation. There is no what if in the comment that you replied to. And the maps speak for themselves. Face the FACTS, you’re losing and losing badly. You gave no one “permission” to roll up your terrorist subsidiaries.
The reason that you didn’t go into Syria like the Turks did to stop the Syrian advance is because you didn’t want to get mauled like they did when push comes to shove. And because you didn’t want to pay the price in lives and money that it would cost to prevent the Syrian government coalition advance.
Hezbollah and the Iranian militias have accomplished everything that they set out to do. As the maps readily attest. It’s the US, Turks and ziokurd traitors that are holding what remains of occupied Syria, not the do next to nothing IDF.
Only a fool (or a Richard) would believe the SAA can defeat us army to army. We could enter Syria anytime we want, but there is a thing called a UN ceasefire from 1974 that both sides keep and we don’t want to hurt Russia’s ally. The day we won’t keep it or care, is the day we will keep your mouth shut and remove Assad. Better hope it won’t come to that, the only forces that might be a match for us are Egypt and Turkey.
That’s a red line that you won’t cross.
Syria has a more advanced air defense force than you do. Arguably the most advanced outside of Russia. Combined with the Russian contingent and run directly out of Moscow your planes would drop like Turkish drones over Idlib.
Any launchers taken out would be replaced. And the US would be very unhappy watching their planes shot down like they were over Vietnam.
The Russian Air Force is 30 minutes away. 10 minutes if they station in Iran. Your ground advance would get hit as hard as necessary to stop it. Hezbollah and the Iranian militias would fill out the man power and weapons requirements. And you guys would be SOL. Which is why you didn’t try to stop the clearing on your border and the Russians gave you a bs diplomatic excuse to hide behind.
Next.
Time will tell, but there is a ground rule you need to know about us Israelis. When someone fucks with our national security, he gets punished.
If you call losing the Syrian war to your sworn enemies punishing them. It makes your threats pretty insignificant.
But you’ll have another chance once it’s over and they come after you instead of your subsidiaries.
Then you’ll have another chance to walk the talk after you chickened out this time around. You nukes and big mouths aren’t going to save you. At the rate that your Satanic Talmudic cult masters are destroying your US host. Neither is the US.
Then hopefully it will be the end of both Israel and your evil cult. Hopefully with a minimum disturbance. But you have a vote on how you’ll deal with being out manned and outgunned. Which is why you backed off this time.
Don’t get your hopes too high, we may surprise you. Till then, you can keep your mumbeling here on SF.
I’ll believe it when I see it. From what I’ve seen so far I see no reason to take a different view.
Meanwhile you might want to reconsider your friend or foe assessment. With what your end of the human era Satanic pedophile elite are planning to do to you. If they shoot you up with bioweapons, chip and track you, crank up the 5G to drive you all more insane than you already are, and kill you off in droves like AshkeNAZIs last century. I don’t think that to many people are going to be sad to see you gone.
Social Media is the only place you will find ‘arch-enemies’ gathering in the same forum without bloodshed. One Proud Right-Wing, Nationalist and a Israeli Patriot. and the other one is a Lebanese Arab namely Rostte Rohana Boisvert is Hind Abyad (Arabic name), Hind Abyad is the Eternal Jew Hater on YaLibana, Russia Insider, Fort Russ etcetera. “Nobody comes here only Israelis” http://disq.us/p/25637hg Jewish Nazi Soldiers according to Hind Abyad https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/91d684902d7e33a1302502c11ed7feffff1f6aeeb8649c50df1ec346213a96b8.jpg showing Schloss Rheydit in Münchengladbach.
They all act strong and tough here on the Social Media and other forums, but on the ground they die like flies when they meet me and my unit. I don’t like to talk about my killings, but I am proud in every Hamas scum I sent to hell. Hezbollahs and other Jihadi terrorists will soon follow the same fate.
Wrong.
So what do you think is the reason?
High treason at the top. The Armenian leadership wants to inflict maximum damage and high profile failures against their own country to force Russia into the conflict. These S-300s were offline aside from that they were positioned at tge wrong place with no layered air defense, even. One occurance is mistake… Two is neglience… Three is High Treason…
I understand your opinion about the Armenian leadership. And I don’t rule it out. But I wrote – “The reason for why the system was not activated in Syria seems to have been found.” You answered – “Wrong.” So I will ask again, why do you think the S-300 was not activated in Syria?
Its active in Syria, but Russia wont let it use it against Israel. For multiple reasons. First Russia and Israel arent enemies, they trade a lot with eachother, both civilian and military tech. And they have relatively good diplomatic relations eventho there were a few incidents on both sides in recent years, but Bibi visited Moscow maybe 3-4 times in recent years I think, thats a lot. Im sure the U.S. wasnt happy about that. Second, even if that wasnt the case Russia would still not allow it. Why? Because its a lose lose situation. Its a numbers game. Russia, Syria has how many S-300 launchers in Syria? They could shoot down dozens of jets and drones, but what than? Eventually they would run out of missiles while Israel wouldnt run out of jets and drones. Syria is not Russia or China with thousends of launchers and tens of thousends of missiles and a perfectly set up layered air defense system with the best radar grid ever. Even if lets say Syria would overpower Israel and take out every jet and drone, Israel can still fire nuke tipped cruise missiles and ICBMs, and they will, its in their military doctrine. Russia wont risk that to protect a few low profile Iranian targets. So thats your answer.
I agree with the first part of your answer. Russia and Israel have good relations. With the second part of your answer I disagree. I think Israel can destroy the Syrian S-300 without much difficulty. Regarding nuclear weapons. I don’t think that Israel currently has an enemy that can existally threaten it so that it will have to use its doomsday weapon.
Well we agree to disagree. It wouldnt be an easy task. It only seems easy because Armenian high treason. It doesnt have to use doomsday weapons. Tactical nukes comes first. If that aint working than comes heavy strategic weapons.
“Well we agree to disagree.” – Same here. “It wouldnt be an easy task. It only seems easy because Armenian high treason.” – Judging by past experience, Israel has long had a technological solution for the S-300. “It doesnt have to use doomsday weapons. Tactical nukes comes first. If that aint working than comes heavy strategic weapons.” – The Syrian army in its current state does not pose a threat to the Israeli army. Since World War II no one has used nuclear weapons, so it is unlikely that Israel will use it in a small regional war.
What technological solution…? :) We were talking about hypothetical future worst case scenarios. Currently you are right. I just explained why the S-300 wont shoot at Israeli targets.
I agree that something is out of order. But we also don’t know what the circumstances were. The S-300 has short range missiles for close range targets. Had it already shot down some drones and was out of ammo? Did it have satcom integration or was it operating as a stand alone system? Why would Armenia deploy an S-300 in a forward position without at least SU 30 aircover? It looks like Armenia has very limited integrated air defense systems. And the Israeli drone was probably running off of a satcom uplink. So it’s not really an even playing field.
Look, I admit I usually disagree with you, but for once I think you’re right:)…!
Maybe it’s not the operators…. Maybe it’s the system itself.. Armenia has S-300 PS, which are 38 years. They are not the same as the PMU2s that Azerbaijan has. So this is like 2020 Harop tech vs 1980 tech. Perhaps the outcome would be differente with a S-300 PMU2 or a S-400… But armenia has no money to buy new S300s nor is Russia interested in destabilizing the region by arming them. Perhaps now Russia will get in to get some kills in order to mitigate reputational risk. Azerbaijan didn’t need to hit this system.
If that’s the case, Armenian are both retard and unconscious…
Yes… it doesnt seem wise to deploy those PS without some kind of Short-Range AD like the Tor-M2 that Armenia has..
BS alert…
His comment seems reasonable to me. What part of it do you disagree with?
An S-300 even in a worst case scenarios is able to defend itself. Even against small stealth drone. No way it could get that close without being shot out of the sky.
It’s an old model from what I’ve read. I’m not an expert on the evolution of the system’s capabilities. But the Tin Shield radar is an early model. If it’s even working to spec. We don’t know what state of repair or disrepair that the system was in.
A worst case scenario is a system operating below design spec due to deferred maintenance, or it had already shot down other drones and was out of missiles, or the Tin Shield radar was jammed or wasn’t designed to detect this type of aircraft. There’s a range of credible scenarios where it could have been destroyed.
If it was armed and ready, and had satcom integration, yes an older system should have been able to defeat a state of the art drone. But we don’t know if that was the case.
Putting them there in the first place is a wrong decision, since they have the range to operate from deep in Armenia.
Yes, I questioned that also. And putting ones there with first gen Tin Shield radars that can’t detect stealth aircraft was also a big mistake.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/02772d9eac51b77688b368c1b3b4ecff48ea95cdacdd8f3d81e9fa5351fa7e5f.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_air_surveillance_radars
The S-300 wasnt even in service in 1970. It entered service in the late 70s, early 80s.
Yes, the Tin Shield radars predated the S-300 and were originally used with other systems. It’s old technology that wasn’t stealth capable originally.
Aside from that the S-300 uses multiple radar systems.
Now that I’ve looked into it I see that. Unfortunately this unit was evidently using a 1st gen Tin Shield radar incapable of detecting stealth aircraft.
Another 3 days of such a ceasefire and the Azeris will destroy all the Armenian armored vehicles and air defense system.
Hah the damn drone goes directly in the radar and who operate the radars to at least shot these nasty suicide drones. So stupid Armenians, you don’t deserve any anti air. For every drone for every air target more than enough is Pantsir S-1 but if professionals are working it, and staying in it, not out side of it. That’s why Russia equipment will be best operated by Russians.
Tens of millions were wasted buying the S-300.
Its not surprising for Kamikaze drone to manage a hit on S300. S300 is not made against small drone, not its role, not its purpose and not its cost benefit ratio.
BS…
Which is why the S300 has never been activated against us in Syria, the moment it does then it will be destroyed by our drones. Respect to our industries, battle proven everytime.
No offense but thats not the case. S-300 is active in Syria they only wont shoot at you because Russia wont allow it due to political reasons.
It’s not only because of political reasons Ranger, imagine the S300 destroyed as a response. Not a good PR…
You could destroy it but only after the S-300 runs out of missiles. It would be costly for both sides. Please read my detailed reply I posted to Free Man. Whats happening tho with Armenia is High Treason, you are a smart guy, you have to see it as well.
Depends how we decide to destroy it, be it drones or we overwhelm the systems with alot of missiles, it won’t be that costly as you claim. However as you said, both Israel and Russia work together and on the political level we respect each others interests. That is why I was surprised to see Russia might selling new arms to Iran, I hope they won’t do it because it can be played by both sides.
I dont think they will. Its more like a warning to other players dont fuck with us or we may. Its politics. But they didn’t even sell them S-300s. They could have done it. North Korea is also under sanctions yet they have S-300s…
P.S. No offense but I think it would be costly. Your best bet destroying it would be with cruise missiles. Lets not forget that the long range variant missile on the S-300 has bigger range than most air launched air to ground missiles or glider bombs.
I hope we won’t come that Ranger, but if we do and our jets are attacked by the SAA (for protecting Iran and Hezbollah), then make no mistakes my friend. It will be destroyed.
I hope that too Zion. Yes I know, but it would be costly. And I also know that it doesnt matter, a win is a win. And you guys would pay the price cost it what it will. I know all that. I just dont like trolls(not you), bashing Russian tech. Te h is only ad good as the operators or the leadership giving the orders.
I have never disrespected the S400 or the hypsersonic missiles Russia has developed, and I would be a fool to do so. But it’s a game of numbers as you wrote, we might lost some jets and drones but the SAA will lose all of their AD systems. Then what? they will be sitting ducks for our airforce and Russia won’t help them in a war. Assad is smarter than that, and he should not play into Iran’s hands.
I agree with you. Basically the same as my standpoint and analysis.
That SADF has 1,000 systems. So far 99% of them are still intact. Which is what keeps you out of Syrian airspace. You won’t fight the war because you don’t want to pay the cost. For the same reasons that you’re afraid to fight the Iranians. And won’t debate the issues with me. Because you know that you’ll lose.
More lies from Richard, man you are a good lying machine aren’t you? 99% intact. You can be deluded too, but that wouldn’t surprise me.
I count 900 systems here. Show me where you’ve destroyed even 10 with evidence of comparable quality.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/532d54789f7152a19b8c5ea3c499eebced7aac7502ccf5a216929da5ef638538.png
– Syrian Air Defense Force –
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Defense_Force
Your jets have been attacked repeatedly, which is why you stay out of Syrian airspace and take pot shots from over Lebanese airspace. Which needs to stop.
Russia and Turkey work together and you saw what happened in Idlib and Libya. The same thing will happen to you if you don’t behave.
You haven’t destroyed Syria’s S-200s let alone their S-300/400s. There’s a reason that you stay out of Syrian airspace. Because it’s that you don’t want more of your planes shot down by these systems. So who’s afraid of bad pr?
Not us, we still keep striking inside Syria and we only lost one jet. I know it makes you angry Richard, keep getting angry till you get a heart attack.
Wars are won by gaining ground. Using that metric your strikes from outside Syrian airspace are a miserable failure. Once the remaining 30% of Syria is cleared, maybe sooner, you’re on the agenda. https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/23feb_Syria-.jpg
Thats simply a case of High treason, similiar to Pearl Harbour or 9/11.
IAF F-16 vs Syrian S-200, F-16 loses.
https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.3388170.1518279414!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/ratio_1x1_w1200/image.jpg
That was not the S300, and then we destroyed the SAA like 30 AD systems after that. Clown.
No, the S-300s are worse, and you haven’t destroyed a single one. I’ve seen no credible reports of 30 systems destroyed. Do you have proof? I did see one IDF report claiming that half of Syria’s air defense systems were destroyed. Which would be 450 to 500. An obvious Jew lie. Something that you specialize in.
“Ten Israeli military positions in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights were targeted overnight Wednesday by rocket fire at a time when Israel hit Syrian positions in the southern province of Qunaitera amid heightened tension, according to the pan-Arab al-Mayadeen TV.
The targeted Israeli military sites include a military reconnaissance center, a position for border security, a military center for electronic jamming, a military center for spying on wireless and wired networks, a communication station, an observatory for precision weapons, a gunships heliport, the headquarters of the regional military command of brigade-810, the command center of the military battalion in Hermon, and the winter headquarters of the special snow unit, according to the report.”
– Rocket fire targets 10 Israeli military positions –
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-05/10/c_137168007.htm
“Thousands have bullet wounds through their legs. The streets of Gaza are filled with people limping or in wheelchairs. Children, journalists and medics have been killed, even when they were standing far back from the fence. The UN has said Israel’s military may have committed war crimes, deliberately targeting civilians.”
– Gaza border protests: 190 killed and 28,000 injured in a year of bloodshed –
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2019/mar/29/a-year-of-bloodshed-at-gaza-border-protests
If S-300s in Armenia were destroyed. It’s probably from improper deployment, not drone superiority. You haven’t fought a real war with the Syrian ADF. Because you haven’t made a big enough nuisance of yourself yet. But the Gaza strike and F-16 shoot down are a taste of what you’re in for if the gloves come off like they did with Turkey recently in Idlib and Libya. Your drones and forces will suffer the same fate when faced with a capable opponent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=yKA9xJx-NKg&feature=emb_rel_end
…..overweight and UGLY…UGLY
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overweight and UGLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT1dypNdsk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSh5tm2Hmn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWHIQnt02tE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUvDBj1x6nQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyy3l5iN7Mc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voXH5vY871s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx3MEco1Qlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evnfs54F1hY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSqJbKsXx58
Both thick and UGLY. !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpjXZFeykE
armenia should buy french made air defense sistems the russian ones are terrible.
The only assymetric reply to drones currently are drones itself or missiles taking down drone cc or hq.
so many idiots trolling here thinking rus tech is not good and so on. s-300 is mid to long range SAM system, that needs layered defense with shorter range systems and at least have AAA flak guns around the missile systems for point defense. if drones are getting through this means that the above is not being employed as well as proper good radar systems and operators. the trolls are just ignorant, stupid and full or sh!t, it does make me laugh though, I mean that there are actually allot of idiots leaving dumb comments.
The US/Zionist Hollywood Big mouth paper Tiger, will run away alike a dog hiding his tail !
IsraHelli satanic gear….
Is Russia is wasting time and giving wings to NATO; it only has to force the two countries to observe the truce in a truly pragmatic way, declaring an air exclusion zone for the two countries and the one who does not respect it to bombard. Cancel the site from where Disrespect without hesitation, and this will be the only way to guarantee and be a fair and responsible guarantor, Armenia
Azeri are filming their own S-300. There is no impact. https://youtu.be/OvvT9GQFB5U