China Signals Possible Greater Middle East Engagement

aaahahahaaaaa……baradare hamzaboon….lol…..these guys are from the 1980s man….lol

2000’s. Andy is very popular in Armenia and the Caucasus. Even in Ashkhabad, Tashkent and Bokhara you find his fans.

hahahaha Great Khan like!

Sounds like very traditional Iranian music ? No Western influence whatsoever. SMH

yeah I don’t doubt what you say……I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Chinese learnt a bitter lesson in Pakistan, and have turned to Iran now.

The Chinese have sunk around $30 billion on the Pakistani failed state and corruption ate over half of it. The Pakis are also backstabbers and kiss American a$$ and the Chinese are not pleased. They will work with India on Chah Bahar.

When yous colonized bro, even in the year 2021……it is sad. I think its also a mindset thing for the pakistani that he can’t make up his mind on the direction to take. Same same with turkey. Sawdi don’t even count cuz he’s just too primitive of a man…..lol

The problem is that that the Wahhabi Arab pimps have no national identity and were created by imperialists. Pakistan is even worse as it is a failed artificial state and has no national identity. Only Turkey and Iran in the Muslim world have never been colonized and have very strong national identity.

yes true, but turkey is an Al-Qaeda country. We need to be very careful. If they can back ISIS, HTS or Nusra/ Al-qaeda, that totally rings alarm bells for civilized countries like Iran. When was the last time Iran fukkin railroaded itself via the back door into a sunni country to enforce Shia Islam or Zoroastrianism for that matter?….I can’t think of a single instance of this…turkeys behavior in Syria is beyond deplorable. What turdo doesn’t realize is the damage he’s done to the image of his so called stupid ass guppu nation. And he’s gotten on the bad side of China on the uighur issue…..lol…..but the good news is that he’s fukked now….lol

Turkey is very divided, Erdogan has weakened it by delusional fantasies. It has massive Kurdish problem, no natural resources and confused policies, but in reality is a a NATO vassal. I am not that concerned about Turkey of anyone. Iran is a nuclear power and can handle anything.

Seriously, the Zionists are barely 7 millions welfare punks and they think they amount to anything. They are like big mouth punks anywhere with an inflated sense of importance. Their boasts and braggadocio or “expelling Iran from Syria” says it all.

You know me long enough gryzor, I support a two states solution. But in no way does it mean China should get involved, they have allied themselves with the axis of resistance but atleast they showed the world they chose a side. I don’t know why you think I sound emotional, I write things based on logic. A country that is working with my enemy, can not work with me. That is the bottom line, and in order to keep the Israeli interests, we must remove any Chinse influence they have here and stop the cooperation with them. I know my government is full of puppets so I don’t see that happening anytime soon, but that is the right thing to do and eventually it will be done.

China is a dictatorship, whatever crimes you claim we do, they are not 0.0001% of their crimes against humanity. So stop lecturing us, our democracy might not be perfect but it is sure better than the Chinse autocracy of Xi.

Ok, yet you seal strategic cooperation deals with Gulf petrocrat tyrannies one after the other that have long proven even worse than the Chinese regime since their ideological manifesto is akin to salafism and a technically anti-semitic manifesto and even help them in mercilessly slaughtering ordinary Yemenis, Syrians and Iranian people through Al-Qaeda’s proxy terrorism and the terrorist MKO killing scientists and axademics in Iran, and where their virtuous leaders like MbS cut dissident journalists in pieces and still perform hundreds of decapitations and crucify people every year.

So please don’t speak to me about great principles of democracy and the refusal to deal with tyrants,you deal more intimately with way worse beasts than Beijing with psychopathic leaders more bloody than Xi.

What I qualify as emotionnal is that I see you refusing the basic rules of the globalized game in the 21st century. Israel just like any country in the world has to swallow stuff it does not like and the multipolar hyperconnected world does not care whether you like or hate a given third party to the discretion of a given economic partner you deal with.

China is connected to the whole world, so is the US, and so is Europe. Including neo-fascists regime that pray for Israel’s downfall day and night. So you gonna do what? dictate to each and every single one of them whom to deal with besides you, and cut ties with anyone counting nations you dislike among their hundreds of partners ? do you realize how nuts it sounds and nobody will ever listen to you ?

Again , how would you feel if tomorrow Iran had the same power as the US by bullying any nation you deal with into cutting all ties with you ? what would you call such behavior ? you cannot preach something to other that you wouldn’t take yourselves, that’s the definition of double standards and what I consistently oppose.

Each country on this planet has the right to decide with whom to cooperate or not. Our friends in Europe needs us as much as we need them, imagine an Israeli regime that is hostile to Europe in everyway, not a good thing for them. So it’s a give and take thing, as long as those are still democracies. But China is a different issue, they have no God but money. They are coming to a country to take over it, then rob its resources in a “legit” way. Israel would be wise to distance itself from China and work with India, S. Korea and Japan as our Asian allies. Signing the deal with Iran is the death blow for our relations, and China will find it soon enough after the traitor goes to jail. Not everything is about money gryzor, atleast not for me.

Being a self-describee socialist when it comes to the economy,trust me I know a hell lot about NOT looking at money first,but rather people and principles. Stating that world alliances are first and foremost based on leader looking for profit does not mean I condone it, it was merely a reminder.

What you claim is contradicted by the fact that Israel is extremely happy making alliances both economic and political with the most backwards Gulf autocraties on the planet,namely the KSA and the UAE,that for the reasons I mentionned yesterday are far worse than China will ever be in their treatment of their own people and neighbors through their wicked application Salafist Shariah Law.

The day you question ypur country-s growing ties with them with the same vigor as you demand doing with China and become consistent i. outright rejecting befrieding tyrannies, I’ll adhere and believe in your phylosophy.

Similarly,no matter who’s in charge tomorrow in Iran I will forever wish they NEVER open an office or embassy in Gulf countries. And I firmly oppose my adoption country, France, enjoying lucratives ties with them.

I have never said KSA or UAE are perfect, but as an Israeli I have also never heard any of them publicly saying they want to destroy us, unlike Iran. So we should keep out of their own internal business, the Shariaw Law doesn’t bother me as long as they don’t try to harm us. Iran however also has a Shariaw Law, but in this case they do work actively against us, so that’s the difference. Now China is also aiding them, so from my narrow point of view I see China helping my enemy to destroy my country, why would I have any respect to China? they have made their choice and it’s all good, doesn’t mean I need to like them.

I don’t know what would be the turn of events, but I do know that history proved we can only count on ourselves and the U.S to come aid us. That is why we should be with them till the end, no matter what happens. That is called loyalty.

Countless Saudi clerics have routinely called for the extermination of all jews, it simply attracts no media attention as it would be ill-advised for their allied western countries to make it a headlinewhile doing so much massive business with them. Their very religious manifesto and its rigorist view of Islam calls for the extermination of both jews and christian alike mate. Verbatim. They call both miscreants that ha e to be sent in hell as soon as possible.

So if I undersrand correctly, working and doing a hefty amount of trade with the worst regimes on the planet is not what actually bothers you so long as you can gain benefit with them keeping their extremism to themselves,right ? So money does govern your choice first and foremost,not the supposed principle of not doing business with tyrannies and bad regimes.

So suddenly an autocraric regime gets to be called and denpunced as such on the sole basis that it refuses to cut ties xith a regile your dislike, so it is a strategic biewpoint,not one second one of rincipal,morals or virtue.

And that really is all I’m saying IZ :be up to what you dp and are, without constantly sugar-coating it with phylosophical posturing,as you care not one bit about what a given partner represents or does to its own people, or mankind in general? so long as it does not impact yourselve on the short term. I call self-centered selfishness attracted by pure gain and nothing virtous of the sort you claim so pasionately abput China. Tomorrow you’d stop denouning the Mullahs for whatever they’re inflicting to their people litterally overnight and open a trade office and embassy there should they arficially recognize Israel. That’s the one thing that matters to you,The rest can pretty much go to hell. Denouncing evil only works when it can also hurt you,plain and simple, you have zero genuine solidarity with actual victims of those regimes.

And that’s exactly my bottom line : Israel is no different than any other state in this world :it looks for its own interest, noble concepts can go to die if they make no strategic sense. Nothing exceptionnal,nothing unique,and your own depiction of your mindset towards murderous salafist regime beheading and crucifying people yearly don’t shake you one bit if it doesn’t concern you directly. That last reply of yours just compelled me further on that view had habored for a long time already. And that level of sheer cynicism will be the downfall of values for many countries in the generation to com.

Gryzor, where exactly did i write I support KSA beheadings or executions? I do not support it in anyway. That was not my intention, what I meant was that they have their own set of laws and neither of us can change that, same in Iran and China. I’m sorry, but you’re missing my point here mate. It’s not that I care about doing business with them, as I wrote it’s not about the money for me. However, when another country like Iran keeps saying that they want us dead, we must cooperate with other regional powers to deal with that kind of a threat. You think we all like wars and death? if it wasn’t for Iran we would have had peace with Lebanon by now.

Now China comes in, another brutal regime like Iran and KSA. They are no better, but they are even more dangerous. Why? because they have a clear agenda to enslave economically other states, and enforcing them to become Chinese puppets. So how come is it any different than what the U.S or Russia are doing? if you want freedom, China must be stopped. not for Israel alone but for other Asian countries that fear the take over of Xi.

In that case, I am willing to lose money (imagine that?) for what I believe in. Stopping China before the entire world would become their slaves. let me be rude for a moment and say – F salafism, along with communism and facism. They are all dictators, and I don’t like any of them. But I have to swallow the pill because we need the Saudis on our side, it wasn’t the case when the Shah ruled Iran. So before you point fingers to Israel, ask yourself who pushed us and KSA together? the answer is on the other side of the Gulf my friend.

“Gryzor, where exactly did i write I support KSA beheading or executions? ”

IZ, for my pat I never said that you supported them outright. I said that contrary to your moral gesturing and posturing, you simply did not care, when it came to your greater interest, and called out the blatant contradiction it put to light when it came to your vilification of China when explaining why, on top of its proximity to Iran, you would never want to deal with them. That is an important nuance.

“Why? because they have a clear agenda to enslave economically other states, and enforcing them to become Chinese puppets”

Well that’s exactly, the textbook doctrine of “full spectrum dominance” perpetrated countless times in countless places by the US, yet you do everything you can anywhere in the world to help them continue to do that, and also instrumentalise them to annihilate entire people and culture when you dislike a given government. Like Irak in 2003, and Saddam absolutely not anything remotely close to an existential threat to you, by all account and declassified defense documents from the US and independent journalism from all ranges from left to right, not to mention NGOs. That victim-hood stand about you being prey to non-nuclear countries you could atomize 400 times with your own illegal arsenal in mere minutes should the need arise simply does not stand the test of reality my friend.

” it wasn’t the case when the Shah ruled Iran. So before you point fingers to Israel, ask yourself who pushed us and KSA together? the answer is on the other side of the Gulf my friend.”

No, the answer is right in the mirror and it has a name : Bibi. The same man that pretty much succeeded in destroying a historical agreement that made Iran the subject of the most drastic and invasive nuclear control regime of the AIEA’s entire history and led Iran to WILLINGLY destroy the key components of its theoretical military component of its nuclear program. Even in Iran it was hated big time by the true militarists, it was for a reason. That deal was decried by every single extremist element of the Iranian parliament and it was a huge victory to make them swallow the whole range of caps to their ambitions.

it was your fault that your PM did everything within his power to lead Iran and the world away from that chance at diplomacy and fair trade for a stable middle-east, your fault that it gave a massive boost to the haters and radicals in Iran now on the brink of winning upcoming election and happily burrying the JCPOA for good, while smiling at your gents for doing exactly what themselves couldn’t accomplish.

Your fault that Iran has now resumed the most crucial elements of its nuclear program in a way that can be geared towards non-civilian use like they had never before done, even in period predating the JCPOA’s ratification. Your fault they have gone underground and restarted cascaded of their most powerful centrifuges and rebuilding a long-dead reactor, by assassinating an emeritus retried nuclear scientist and professor, ditto the fact that they’re on their way to expelling the whole of the AIEA monitoring teams and probes. Your fault that they ran to welcoming Chinese arms while the JCPOA in effect paved the way for long term cooperation deals with major US and European firms instead, China was always option number two for the Mullah, specifically for the reason your mentioned about their known kind of economic predation. All that because you asked them the unacceptable : unilateral disengagement from their interests in the region and off the shoulders of their own allies, and also strategic disarmament. In other terms, military surrender without war. The world does not work like that. Nobody accepts a unilateral START treaty where only one side outright stops being strong and prepared, that is some unspeakable absurdity.

As I was saying before IZ : I’m ok with your incredible level of cynicism you disguise in a perpetual mask of survival, I am ok with you colluding with the worst kind of regimes and non-state actors on Earth in the name of making an alliance you don’t need against an enemy that cannot destroy you even by putting all its heart. Ok with you guys doing a level of commerce and business that is totally unnecessary beyond the sole strategic scope that your military and intelligence partnership it entails and that is directly propping up and legitimizing their Salafism in their country and outside in Arab nations they dominate and the neighbors they destroy like Yemen.

l all that is, as you said, the expression of sovereignty . Israel can choose to be a state without morals, just like any other one. Iran’s mullah are the same, no problem at all to say it either. All those nations are competing for regional dominance, it’s fair.

All I’m asking, is to be up to that fact and stop self-proclaiming some non-existing moral high ground while all you do is just being a self-interested country putting its interests and expansion over the dead rights of so many of its neighbors.

Thank you Gryzor, I enjoyed reading it and I couldn’t agree more. My govt is the number one problem, as it has been for the past 13 years. Bibi must go, for us Israelis and Arabs alike. If Lapid gets to form a government next week, things will change for the better. I hope he does, Bibi will not stop till he ruins everything he can, and he is also one of the reasons why the nuclear deal with iran was undone. I’m on your side here, I want people to be free wherever they are and I would also be happy if the Palestinians finally get a state as they should, 5 decades of ruling over them was enough to tell us no good can come out of that.

Just one more thing, I do think we have a higher level of moral than our enemies. Why? because we don’t aim to hit civilian targets like Hamas is doing, our strikes are usually very accurate but sometimes innocent people die too, that does not mean we intended killing them. You know I’m right here.

We certainly agree on the specific case of Bibi and the two-state solution.

As for Tsahal being a moral army, I’m afraid it has stopped being true decades ago ,and a massive amount of hard evidence shows their contempt for Palestinian human life,like bombing crowded population centers with total disregard for collateral damage, killing hundreds of children in every air campaign , dozens of UN schools and hospitals of which coordinates were systematically shared with high command with every independent and even some Israeli investigations showing there were no Hamas targets anywhere near, sharing of snipers ‘scope display on social media when voluntarily killing unarmed teenagers at the border fence,massive use of cluster weapons in Lebanese farmlands that they knew full-well would kill civilians on the long run, harrowing conscript testimonies describing forced displacement of entire families in buildings they then bomb, shelling of beaches with children laying soccer, not to mention stranding elders and pregnant women expecting treatment at checkpoints often leading to death or severe trauma, the list goes on and on.

Today’s Tsahal has no more standards than any other army. Some individuals like you may personally choose to have some sort of code for themselves and anonymously report abuse, but criminal behavior is now widespread among its ranks from soldiers all the way to high command , proof is so plenty in every war and even in peace time at checkpoints , that it is not even a discussion.

Again,what I’m saying is not that Tsahal is worse, it’s simply as immoral as they others might get.

Sorry to say you are an ignorant thin skinned third world punk with a chip up the a$$. Now get lost and play pretend Russian :)

I “pretend” nothing. You are going on personal attack because you are slimy Iranian coward not having single argument to respond

” third world” ?!!? So that makes Iran a “first world” now?!!? Such RACIST and NEOCOLONIALIST vocabulary should be used by some white racist and not some crazed Iranian

So you try to embarrass me for being EU-ropean by using basically racist language?! You are not one of the brightest Iranians most definitely. East Europe never had colonialist past so those words doesn’t touch me

Indonesia, being made up of thousands of islands both big and small, has very little national cohesion. It’s the reason they play in lower divisions, geopolitically to date, despite an enormous population and resource base. Many of these islands are populated by local tribes with distinct culture and the “Federal” Indonesian State might have a little Federal building somewhere on the island, with postal and tax “services” which most of the population most of the time ignore and minimize in their life. Iran has strong centralized authority and is more and more being caught up in the growing wave of Eurasian economic and security mobilization. This gives Iran long term advantages that Sunni powers can only dream about, as the $400 billion infrastructure deal with the PRC shows. Location, location, location pared with national unity, more than less, will help Iran become a bigger and bigger player over time.

So how does that make Shia Iran compatible with the Sunni Muslim world?!!? Even if you are right on everything you say about Indonesia, it would only push either Turkey or Egypt ( I hope not Pakistan, Saudi’s ) as the next best candidates.

“This gives Iran long term advantages that Sunni powers” You are exaggerating way too much! Bombastic words Turkey has “strong centralized authority” and ere “being caught up in the growing wave of Eurasian economic mobilization” (whatever that means) From any point of view is Shia Iran less compatible than Sunni Turkey, since majority of Muslims are Sunni.

P.S. The more I know Iranians the less I like that country…

I agree with you about Turkey. And have they not showed during the last decade that they are a serious player, regionally at least? Turkey’s problem is that they want to straddle the fence too often, in too many triangulations. It’s a balancing act that is hard to sustain. And despite it’s successes I’m not sure the Turkish resurgence has any goals that we can define. Economic advantages? Turkey’s economy is actually encountering more headwinds. Eurasian integration? Not while playing blood brother to the same NATO states that sit Turkey at the kids table regarding Western integration. Sunni big brother? Maybe, but the Ottoman past is too problematic for many Arab states, especially monarchs like the House of Saud or Jordan’s Hashemite Kingdom. Iran’s goals vis-a-vis Eurasian opportunites are clear? Protection and strategic depth for Shia communities and protection against the American led NeoLiberal order. Cut and Dry, easy to gauge.

Turkey’s problem is that they want to straddle the fence too often Iran doesn’t..?!…They ask (beg) Russia in 2015 to help preventing their DEFEAT in Syria… Than now when victory is close, they start their own VENDETTA against Israel and block the peace in Syria by doing that

Turkey’s economy is actually encountering more headwinds. Unlike blossoming Iran’s economy ha ha ha:)))

Eurasian integration? Not while playing blood brother to the same NATO For China’s Silk Road project Turkey is just as important (if not more) as Iran! Once out of NATO….

Ottoman past is too problematic for many Arab states Of course! But they are too busy KISSING Israel’s arse to think about Ottoman past!

“Protection and strategic depth for Shia communities” Just putting make up on the pig and calling Iranian IMPERIALISM = Shia CRESCENT “protection and strategic depth for Shia communities” …

The Chinese idea has been, and this is well publicized, that destroying a dozen American cities and a significant number of military bases would be enough deterrent force to guardrail a conflict and keep it conventional. This above idea was true, when the United States political class was comprised of sane people. It’s no longer true, at least it’s possible that it’s no longer true. Which is why the PLAN Rocket Force has been given resources for a pedal to the metal expansion of nuclear capabilities. In the next five year plan completion we’ll see three new and capable SSBN’s and a near doubling in Ground based deterrence forces. We might even see a long range Nuclear Stealth Bomber reach operational deployment.

BOLLOCKS!!! I am talking TODAY = NOW You obviously have no clue by gibbering your silly way out all of that. I have taken you seriously, but no more ! They can’t confront US , country that has their 1500 long range warheads , stealth bombers, most advanced strategic subs and infinitely superior aviation and survive!!!

Yak, yak yak. South China Morning Post Article, May 4, 2020 by Minnie Chan: “China’s Long Range Stealth Bomber could make it’s debut this year.”

Defense News,September 1, 2020 by Joe Gould: “China plans to double Nuclear Arsenal, Pentagon says.”

War on the Rocks, September 18, 2020 by David Logan: “The Dangerous Myths about China’s Nuclear Weapons.”

Asia Times article, June 22,2020 by Dave Makichuk: “New era dawns for China’s next gen submarine.”

“China’s Long Range Stealth Bomber could make it’s debut this year.” could, should, would….So?!!!? Nov they’re DEFENSELESS against all out US nuke attack! …and Will remain for many years to come !

China plans to double Nuclear Arsenal, Pentagon says.” Yes?!! So what?! Pentagon have said tons of rubbish for different reasons…mainly to rip off more money from US taxpayer !

“The Dangerous Myths about China’s Nuclear Weapons.” OK, lets double that number! they don’t have 300+ but 600 nukes out of which even 300 is long range! That is still 5 or 6 times less than US!

“New era dawns for China’s next gen submarine.” OK maybe they have made exceptional progress , huge strides… So their subs now (finally) are almost as good as Russian and US subs !

NOTE! Verify and compere Chinese and US aviation and only than come to lecture !!!

China’s nuclear arsenal size is actually unknown, but they are far from without defenses or deterrence. It’s estimated at 330 warheads but could be 500. The PLA Rocket Force has more than 110 new ICBM’s capable of carrying at least three warheads (500kt) or six warheads (150kt) and a half dozen decoys. These new land based ICBM’s are designed to evade missile defenses. Hidden in the Underground Great Wall fortifications they could devastate the United States. Not to the degree that Russia could, but how much deterrence is enough to keep a conventional war conventional?

Also, the World, including places like India and Italy, most of Africa, and even Japan are going to be shocked by the Americans starting nuclear conflict. Even if Russia doesn’t immediately identify the American behavior as a paradigm shifting psycopathic and bloodthirsty act, resulting in a full Russian assault the USA would still face the destruction of a dozen cities, at least, and the deaths of millions of Americans just at the hands of Chinese atomic weapons. But also lost would be America’s reputation and good standing to most of the world’s governments. The scenario, given everything we know, that you peddle here about China being exposed naked to an American nuclear attack flowing from a conventional conflict is just not realistic.

you (as usual) ….go into the great detail of your usually weak arguments..

It’s estimated at 330 warheads but could be 500.

OK ! Lets presume 500 warheads…. but they need 100 long range missiles to send those 300 warheads!

PLA Rocket Force has more than 110 new ICBM’s capable of carrying at least three warheads That is my point! Those 110 new ICBM’s are NOT all LONG range !!!! So at the end all that is just fraction of what US has (not to mention all those that will be intercepted)! All Chinese older strategic missiles Are direct copy of SSSR tech (sourced from Ukraine And such) thus not very performant by modern standards (survivability)

I’m not going to list thirty articles for you to read explaining and detailing why China’s arsenal is robust enough to deter a nuclear attack on the country and strong enough to make any attacker feel an unacceptable level of pain in return. But I will say that the DF-41 was successfully flight tested in 2013 and a production level of nine per year seems reasonable based on the PRC’s defense budget. That would be 60+ missiles, just advanced and long ranged DF-41’s. I will refer you to a SCMP article quoting the Federation of American Scientists: South China Morning Post, 16 March 2021: “China is building more underground silos for it’s ballistic missiles.”

Factually, you don’t know how much they have and what ranges these weapons enjoy. One Federation of American Scientists researcher says that if the higher end MIRV numbers of ten warheads a missile are true than the PRC rocket force could hit the United States with hundreds of warheads. These warheads are on payload vehicles designed to evade ABM defenses. This would mean 50 American cities destroyed and dozens more military bases obliterated. Again, I ask you how much deterrence would be enough? And this on the cusp of the Type 096 SSBN beginning it’s appearance on the world stage.

I don’t by your “articles”! I can find just as many articles for you to read explaining and detailing why China’s arsenal is NOT MATCH for US arsenal ! Yes they need SILOS for those long range missiles and for all that takes time! “Ten warheads” can count decoys also and doesn’t say word on strength of those warheads! So “10” is meaningless as number! Biggest Russian ICBM Sarmat will have only 17 (not counting decoys) since Sarmat can carry 10 TONS in decoys and warheads. I think that “ten warheads” is exaggerated since China is not so advanced in ICBM’s (US also) as Russia is now . SSSR vas leader in MIRV tech created by them (copied by US) and Russia has never stopped to develop that capabilities. There is tendency today to give China some most advanced capabilities (based on nothing) even though they have shoved that China is not yet capable to even directly copy Russian jet engines. Thus their engines have permanent problems in durability and reliability. This just shows us that they might not be so tech advanced in everything, as some fun boys (like you) would like them to be…

Factually, I do know that, China has short and medium range ICBM missiles also (unlike Russia that has lost them to Gorbachev-Reagan INF treaty ) Currently there was only one Russian project (canceled) for the medium range ICBM.

You think this and you think that. I don’t think much of what you think. China’s nuclear arsenal doesn’t have to be even near to the size of the American one, just big enough to get weapons through and make an atomic attack on the PRC unpalatable. China could fight off a Taiwan independence move with confidence that they have enough in the atomic arsenal to deter strategic escalation. New launch silos, more DF-41’s, and the Type 096 SSBN project all signal that China is expanding that arsenal in order to maintain deterrence, not because they want to waste money and energy trying to match the Americans missile for missile or warhead for warhead. And China’s claim to superpower status is her growing economy and technology base, and the unity of her people. The PRC plan is clearly to survive America without conflict, to be the last power standing. That plan succeeds a little more with each passing month.

The same here… I don’t think much of what you think either ! Specially about your US – MSM articles . You know jack sh*t on Chinese sub tech. Specially on ” Type 096 SSBN ” you mention here (or DF-41)!

what “trying to match the Americans missile for missile” ….’r you trolling me?!! You don’t read my words or what? They are FAR BEHIND from any matching, to the point that they can’t start Any nuke confrontation without being destroyed!

Your slogans at the end… is as if Chinese communist party is paying you to write that text.

You getting paid by the CIA to spout all that American superiority nonsense? China wouldn’t be the state to start a nuclear conflict, they would fight a conventional war over Taiwan. I said they have enough in the atomic cupboard to deter a nuclear attack, which is far different than being the state who starts one.

Verify what? That 90% of B1B’s are grounded at any given time because of maintainance backlogs? Verify that B-52’s are more than a half century old and easy to intercept with the largest radar cross section of any heavy combat aircraft worldwide? Verify that F-22 Raptors cost massive amounts of money to operate and only about 100 are available at any one time? Verify that F-18’s are poor air-to air dogfighters? Verify that F-35’s can’t fly at supersonic speeds without breaking their engine?

The United States doesn’t have the most advanced strategic subs, not anymore. The “Ohio” class SSBN’s are on average more than thirty years old. The missiles they carry are liquid fueled, which means their reliability is suspect as each missile has been taken in for de-fueling and re-furbishment more than a half dozen times each (or more, as they are shared with British SSBN’s) over the decades. An article at USNI reveals (not the first) that maintainance on American submarines are seriously backlogged and other articles detail how American shipyards are in bad shape and in need of overhauls. 90% of the B1B bomber fleet are grounded due to maintainance as well. You are earning your $100 bill today though, selling talking points online for Uncle Sam and “unstoppable” American superiority. Cash that check.

And you could respond to the Deep Great Wall part of the point. Really, the PRC plan to keep a tech capable but smaller nuclear arsenal protected in deep underground tunnels with hundreds of potential ready to launch exits would be a good way to practice small scale nuclear deterrence. Would the loss of a dozen American cities and twenty military bases be worth destroying China for? China believed it wouldn’t. Most Americans wouldn’t make that trade either. Elites in Washington classically would not but now they’re so crazy who can be sure. But, if they nuke China to settle a conventional dispute, Russia destroys the United States on principle and in short order.

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FACT= 1 RUSSIAN INDISTRIALISED CAN ACHIEVE OVER TEN WESTERN (WEAKER MENS PERFORMANCE/TODAYS) SOROS GIMPS ARE LIMPS:

Like it or not,no matter what you say,think or try to do,(all in vain) NO FUTURE IN FASCISM,NOR THE LGBTQ(PERIOD) Truth be known:

Wrong Russia can resist and is getting stronger so is China.

In any war between China and the USSA both countries will cease to exist so there is no winner.

Russia is nuke Super Power. China is industrial Super Power. Only China has resources ti fight NATO conventionally in limitless way , Russia doesn’t have human and industrial resources for doing that on long period of time.

we agree to disagree…

“Never go full retard !” You shouldn’t (at least) be proud for saying something stupid

Actually it appears he doesn’t think. It could be his cat walking across his keyboard.

I know, we have a lot of sensitive little ninnies who post gibberish. It is fun to get under their thin skin as it rattles them. They are just idiots who have don’t have a clue :)

Oh,do not worry dear,ı was just passing by to see is there any gullible people left falling to your and your crew drivel.Your comments are pure bovire manune nothing more.

Talking to yourself?

Your echo chamber is empty of reality …

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I have always liked the Chinese, they are respectful educated and civilized people and they really like Iranians. They show respect unlike the uncouth American loudmouth a$$holes who are just hot air, rude and crude. Chinese are quiet achievers. The American swine during the shah’s time were rude, arrogant and discourteous and Iranians hated to work with them. Even shah towards the end had had enough of the morons.

China is also not infested with Jews like Russia. Iran made the right choice.

Ah … an anti-Judaism Hater exposes himself

while your mommy is “infested” by syphilis

Is that why so many Iranians chose to live in the USA and Canada?

How many live in China … for instance?

F/kn hoor …

They live in suburb dominated by Indian’s ( in Peking ) There are plenty of Indian’s living in China because they are “brothers” to Chinese according to “Just Me” retard !

Free?

China does nothing for free … lol

Are you reading from a ‘fortune cookie’?

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It took only a decade to sign this agreement no? You can be sure all contentious issues were hammered out. These are not loans fool. Iran gives em oil, and gets goods, technology and services in return, with a focus on the regional politics and alignment between China and Iran. China is not stupid, they can see out in the future that GCC oil might get embargoed to them.

What about Parsi’s in mumbai? what do they gotto offer Iran?

Frankly, India is a complex mess, its democracy is eroding and a fanatical Hindu movement takes hold, fanned by the west. However, it is economically a nightmare as you correctly point out. India needs to integrate economically and trade with PRC. This future belongs to Asia, if it maintains peace and harmony.

“climate change vulnerabilities”?!? So you serve globalist BOLLOCKS about “climate change” also?!:)) …as for list of India’s “problems”….Every (even much smaller) developing country can have similar list of “problems” ! Even “developed” countries have long lists of their “problems”!

Most climate change models show that the Indian peninsula is going to bake. And even the holy rivers are already awash in pollution, including ton after ton of plastic waste. A still expanding population realitive to food production needs and a global market where others have to restrict food exports=big trouble.

we will see about all that “climate change models” I still remember some “climate change ” prophets predicting that all planet will be destroyed by 2020 (or earlier) there are some other “climate change ” prophets saying that temperatures will go much lower (small Ice age) also……so I do not pay attention on all that bull***t any longer

Well, you’re not a wildfire firefighter then. Don’t quit your night job polishing your resume in an attempt to land a deputy national security advisor job.

India can do potable water from the sea … their potential is still great

This is true. But the energy cost required for desalinization for 1.4 billion people, still growing would be difficult. And sure it could be done but not by an India caught up in endless and expensive conflicts with Pakistan and the PRC and now steady dust-ups and tensions with Sri Lanka and Nepal.

Yes … good thinking

India continues to be focused on Pakis

US under Zionist control kept pushing Iran into China’s arms. Russia is corrupt and weak and under Zionist vise, and most importantly Putin is the main protector of Zionists now and is not respected by anyone, so both Iranians and Chinese have made a perfect strategic choice that will profoundly influence global future as US role diminishes and the leadership torch passes to China. This is a humiliating failure of US policy under successive presidents since 1979.

Yet another USA/Jews paid shill making projections of Jews/USA.

Paid loser, with George Soros- coverer CIA script.

Russia, China and Iran are free from YOUR masters that replaced YOU, paid shill loser!

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climate fad… at least try to be funny when ironic…if not all that is just boring bull**t I have seen too many times… climate is OK where I am, I can’t speak for Australia…

Most climate change models show that the Indian peninsula is going to bake.

Hello see below

No, the dry season will be shorter and drier and the monsoons will be longer and wetter more intense.

Globally deserts will get much smaller and drier then they are now. The amount of land with a lush habitable environment will grow.

10,000 to 15,000 years ago when the climate was warmer The Sahara desert had a monsoon season like India which it will again soon if temps continue to rise.

Study shows the Sahara swung between lush and desert conditions every 20,000 years, in sync with monsoon activity.

A new analysis of African dust reveals the Sahara swung between green and desert conditions every 20,000 years, in sync with changes in the Earth’s tilt. Credit: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

https://phys.org/news/2019-…

The Sahara desert is one of the harshest, most inhospitable places on the planet, covering much of North Africa in some 3.6 million square miles of rock and windswept dunes. But it wasn’t always so desolate and parched. Primitive rock paintings and fossils excavated from the region suggest that the Sahara was once a relatively verdant oasis, where human settlements and a diversity of plants and animals thrived.

Now researchers at MIT have analyzed dust deposited off the coast of west Africa over the last 240,000 years, and found that the Sahara, and North Africa in general, has swung between wet and dry climates every 20,000 years. They say that this climatic pendulum is mainly driven by changes to the Earth’s axis as the planet orbits the sun, which in turn affect the distribution of sunlight between seasons—every 20,000 years, the Earth swings from more sunlight in summer to less, and back again.

For North Africa, it is likely that, when the Earth is tilted to receive maximum summer sunlight with each orbit around the sun, this increased solar flux intensifies the region’s monsoon activity, which in turn makes for a wetter, “greener” Sahara. When the planet’s axis swings toward an angle that reduces the amount of incoming summer sunlight, monsoon activity weakens, producing a drier climate similar to what we see today.

“Our results suggest the story of North African climate is dominantly this 20,000-year beat, going back and forth between a green and dry Sahara,” says David McGee, an associate professor in MIT’s Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences. “We feel this is a useful time series to examine in order to understand the history of the Sahara desert and what times could have been good for humans to settle the Sahara desert and cross it to disperse out of Africa, versus times that would be inhospitable like today.”

McGee and his colleagues have published their results today in Science Advances.

I do not believe in computer made “climate change models “. I do not think that people understands climatic processes at all. I do not think climate changes can be produced , explained only by pollution…

In your part of the world, the earth is flat. Surely.

In my part of the world we don’t have dorks of your kind for sure. I have seen too many of this bogus “predictions” to believe in them

What I quoted is not a bull crap computer propaganda model. I don’t believe such bull models either.

The earths climate has been changing for 4.5 billion years and will continue to do so for another 4.5 billion years.

Right now the sun is warming the earth and the entire solar system as the suns output has increased. Climate is also affected by changes in the tilt of the earths axis and changes in the shape of earths orbit around the sun

what about hose dudes who talk about “sun cooling down”, “mini ice age” than ? you do understand that there is plethora of “experts” of whom some are well paid, “carbon taxes” propagandists…so it is total cacophony out there…not to mention false prophets of climatic doom….

Yes the suns output changes its not a light bulb. There have been solar minimums and maximums before and they will happen again.

Magnetic fields changes yes but less then the other factors. The magnetiic field is a 50,000 to 200,000 year plus cycle.

Cosmic phenomena yes but very rare like a near by supernova.

what are you astronomer? I was already afraid that you are another “carbon tax” retard….

Hey you brought up Cosmic Phenomena not me.

No worries not many supernova in our part of the galaxy.

What’s more, if a supernova exploded within 30 light-years, phytoplankton and reef communities would be particularly affected. Such an event would severely deplete the base of the ocean food chain.

Suppose the explosion were slightly more distant. An explosion of a nearby star might leave Earth and its surface and ocean life relatively intact. But any relatively nearby explosion would still shower us with gamma rays and other high-energy radiation. This radiation could cause mutations in earthly life. Also, the radiation from a nearby supernova could change our climate.

No supernova has been known to erupt at this close distance in the known history of humankind. The most recent supernova visible to the eye was Supernova 1987A, in the year 1987. It was approximately 168,000 light-years away.

OK let us just stop right there ( I Have Encouraged you Too Much ) you might be tempted to write a book here and now…

Yes carbon footprint global warmers get paid. Its a way to tax the poor and give the carbon tax $$ to the rich zio 1%.

The real environmental problems are chemical and plastic pollution and habitat destruction. They can all be fixed right now and relative cheaply but the problem for the empire is it is easy to trace them to their source and to charge and fine the guilty who are the 1%.

suns output has increased? I thought we’re in a solar minimum.

Remarkably ignorant remark. Even high school texts in the developed would refute such nonsense.

Iran will bake as well … no potable water

Yes. They’re in trouble. They should be rapidly planning for it and maybe the idea is to use, I don’t know, a civilian atomic reactor program to power desalinization. That might be a good idea. Oh, wait..

Iran now desalinating from PG and supplying it all over. Keep up with news will you?

Sure …. lol

Dreaming in technicolor

its good news no? now parsi will get fresh water in yazd too no…..lol

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/454341/Persian-Gulf-water-transfer-project-inaugurated

Most climate change models show that the Indian peninsula is going to bake.

No, the dry season will be shorter and drier and the monsoons will be longer and wetter more intense.

Globally deserts will get much smaller and drier then they are now. The amount of land with a lush habitable environment will grow.

10,000 to 15,000 years ago when the climate was warmer The Sahara desert had a monsoon season like India which it will again soon if temps continue to rise.

Study shows the Sahara swung between lush and desert conditions every 20,000 years, in sync with monsoon activity.

A new analysis of African dust reveals the Sahara swung between green and desert conditions every 20,000 years, in sync with changes in the Earth’s tilt. Credit: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

https://phys.org/news/2019-01-sahara-swung-lush-conditions-years.html

The Sahara desert is one of the harshest, most inhospitable places on the planet, covering much of North Africa in some 3.6 million square miles of rock and windswept dunes. But it wasn’t always so desolate and parched. Primitive rock paintings and fossils excavated from the region suggest that the Sahara was once a relatively verdant oasis, where human settlements and a diversity of plants and animals thrived.

Now researchers at MIT have analyzed dust deposited off the coast of west Africa over the last 240,000 years, and found that the Sahara, and North Africa in general, has swung between wet and dry climates every 20,000 years. They say that this climatic pendulum is mainly driven by changes to the Earth’s axis as the planet orbits the sun, which in turn affect the distribution of sunlight between seasons—every 20,000 years, the Earth swings from more sunlight in summer to less, and back again.

For North Africa, it is likely that, when the Earth is tilted to receive maximum summer sunlight with each orbit around the sun, this increased solar flux intensifies the region’s monsoon activity, which in turn makes for a wetter, “greener” Sahara. When the planet’s axis swings toward an angle that reduces the amount of incoming summer sunlight, monsoon activity weakens, producing a drier climate similar to what we see today.

“Our results suggest the story of North African climate is dominantly this 20,000-year beat, going back and forth between a green and dry Sahara,” says David McGee, an associate professor in MIT’s Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences. “We feel this is a useful time series to examine in order to understand the history of the Sahara desert and what times could have been good for humans to settle the Sahara desert and cross it to disperse out of Africa, versus times that would be inhospitable like today.”

McGee and his colleagues have published their results today in Science Advances.

All that is mostly related to North Africa. And what you said the study says about Monsoon season is only part of the story. India’s own government studies and models say something different. In an article in India Climate Dialogue on December 28th, 2020 titled: “Climate Change is making India less livable” there are quotes like this: “…the government’s first comprehensive study of climate change impacts and forecasts paints a grim scenario.” And: “…Failure will mean a country with worse heatwaves, droughts, cloudbursts, floods, and a more degraded coastline.”

The primary point in most studies regarding India and climate change point to a swing in extremes; heatwaves then monsoons. Floods, then droughts. For a country of 1.4 billion people and a high fertility rate, and deep poverty and food insecurity, these conditions will represent an extreme challenge. And that was my point.

“Climate Change is making India less livable”

No!

They say such things because they want carbon money and will pay kick backs to the UN etc. Very corrupt.

Corruption and the corrupt caste system are India’s biggest problems along with chemical and plastic pollution and habitat destruction, If they don’t fix the corruption first they will never rise and have lots of environmental problems.

They need sewage treatment plants and to stop chemical and plastic pollution and habitat destruction, which will never be fixed if they don’t stamp out corruption .

Most climate change models speak of heatwave extremes, paired with spikes in high humidity. The high humidity is a killer multiplier, according to a U.S. Department of Defense study. How is this not a problem for India, a country with hundreds of millions of poor workers who reside in basic dwellings without climate controls?

Since when has the USSA department of defence ever told the truth about anything????????

You must be brain dead!

weapons of mass destruction in Iraq the list is endless.

“We Lie, We Cheat, We Steal” –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCjWAq7563I

Iran is running out of potable water … hello?

Much of their OIL will remain in the ground … with their missiles … eh?

The gimp armed Ayatollah will lead them to ruin …

Inshallah

The whole regional middle east has a water issue – states with upstream control of the major rivers vs states further downstream is a major regional political issue and potential future source of conflict. Why do you think Israel grimly hangs on to Lebanon’s Shebba-Farms and Syria’s Golan Heights – something like 10-15% of their water is pulled from these occupied areas. Iran no doubt has water issues like rest of region, but it’s a substantial sized state – and its northerly territory runs unto Caucasus of Central Asia – a natural collection and run-of source for water.

Israel has made their choices … using recycled water for agriculture and desalinization plants for ‘potable’ water

Sheba Farms is minuscule and the issue of ‘water’ rights there is a moot point …

Golan is Israeli territory not for water but because the Syrians attacked from the Heights …

Both Syria and Lebanon are failed states … living on fumes

Syria isn’t a failed state. It’s an invaded one. And Lebanon was doing fine too, recovering from war and finding a societal balance. Then, outsiders poured in. You are like a person who comes onto a scene where a guy who’s been mugged and beaten is crawling back to his feet and stumbling toward a bench. “Damn bum,” you say.

“All he believes are his eyes and his eyes they just tell him lies”

Syria was a progressive middle income functioning state before it was targeted for its stance against Zionism.

Actually, is very well known that Israel has major water resource limitations, and has long, desperately, craved to annex Lebanon’s southerly territory containing the Litani River and its water collection-basin – the continued Israeli occupation of Lebanese territorial Shebba-Farms is merely an indicator these resource issues.

Just google: Israel: a Water Superpower