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After failing to provide any comprehensive evidence that will allow to blame Russia for the MH17 tragedy, Western diplomats and ‘investigators’ have come with a fresh batch of PR tricks to picture the situation like they have some evidence.
On November 14, the Dutch-led joint investigative team (JIT) claimed that new recordings of intercepted telephone calls that show rebels in Ukraine requesting military support and political guidance from “high-ranking” Russian political figures in the period before the MH17 incident in eastern Ukraine.
#BREAKING A Dutch-led probe into the shooting-down of flight MH17 over Ukraine in 2014 has released new intercepted phone calls between high-ranking Russian officials and suspects facing trial over the crash pic.twitter.com/vd2vSKs752
— AFP news agency (@AFP) November 14, 2019
The JIT claims that the aforementioned rebel leaders are linked to the MH17 tragedy. The suspects accused by the JIT are former Russina intelligence officer Igor “Strelkov” Girkin, Sergei Dubinsky, Oleg Pulatov and Leonid Kharchenko.
“Recent analysis of witness statements and other information revealed that Russian influence on the DPR [the Donetsk People’s Republic] went beyond military support and that the ties between Russian officials and DPR leaders appear closer,” the JIT said.
“There was almost daily telephone contact between the leadership of the DPR and their contacts in the Russian Federation,” the JIT added. “They spoke with leaders in Moscow, near the border with Ukraine and in Crimea. Communication mostly took place via secure telephones provided by the Russian security service.”
At a weekly briefing in Moscow on November 14, Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova questioned the JIT claims.
“What are they (the conclusions) based on? Publication of materials, some of which immediately turn out to be fake, and some of which don’t check out? We’ve been through this already,” she said.
Over the past years, the JIT and Western states, including the Netherlands, have demonstrated an unprecedented level of hypocrisy by manipulating facts and using rumors and fake news in an attempt to paint Russia is the side responsible for the MH17 shoot down.
On July 17, 2014, a Malaysian Boeing 777-200ER aircraft was conducting a scheduled passenger flight (MH17) from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. During a transit flight over the territory of Ukraine, the Ukrainian air traffic control charted the plane directly over the conflict zone between government forces and units of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics.
At 13:20 UTC, the aircraft was shot down as a result of a fire damage from unidentified forces.
The Ukrainian side, with Western support, immediately blamed Russia for the incident. In turn, Malaysia, expresses deep concerns over the accusations against Russia and the course of the investigation.
In September 2019, the Netherlands even admitted that that it is not a neutral side and is not interested in an objective investigation of the MH17 tragedy.
The Dutch government in fact said that it tried to manipulate investigation through pressuring the supposed “witness” of the tragedy, Vladimir Tsemakh.
On June 27, 2019, Ukrainian special services detained the ex-commander of one of the air defense units of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Vladimir Tsemakh in Snejnoe, on the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Ukraine’s State Security Service (SBU) claimed that he was involved in the MH17 incident.
According to initial claims by the SBU, Ukraine detained the driver of a towing truck that transported Buk missile involved in the MH17 incident. However, later, the SBU was forced to denounce its own claims. Tsemakh’s air defense unit consisted of one vehicle with Zu-23 anti-aircraft gun and was not deployed near the incident site when the tragedy took place.
Later, Tsemakh’s status was changed to the “witness”. On September 7, 2019, Tsemakh was transferred to the Russian side as a part of the 35 for 35 exchange of the detained persons.
Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said that the Dutch government contacted Ukraine “several times and at the very highest level” to not hand over Tsemakh in the framework of the swap deal. The foreign minister said that the authorities had questioned Tsemakh before he left for Russia but the Netherlands still profoundly regretted the outcome.
There are two main explanations of this situation:
- The Dutch governemnt, as a agent of the Euro-Atlantic establishment, has lost all links to the reality and is not even pretending that it cares about the human rights and the objective invesigation;
- Representatives of the European elite involved in covering up the real side behind the MH17 crash are panicking because the mainstream ‘Russia is guilty’ narrative has collapsed.
It seems that from the very start, the Dutch government has been aware who was really responsible for the MH17 crash. Therefore, it has contributed every possible effort to distort the course of the investigation and hide key evidence related to the case. For instance, the Dutch side may have manipulated data from the MH17’s black boxes. According to an independent technical expert Yuri Antipov, “the Dutch are deceiving everyone by” wiping “the last seconds of the recording of this fundamental parameter.”
Under international law (as well as laws of a majority of the states), the concealment of facts related to the crime is a signal of complicity in the crime. The Dutch government, which is allegedly a neutral side in the MH17 case, is de-facto impeding the objective investigation of the tragedy.
In this situation, the Dutch-led JIT attempts to invent some fresh justification to its posture in the MH17 case. However, as it can be seen, once again the released “evidence” is barely related to the main question that should be asked: What side did shoot down the MH17 and what side was interested in it?
The interview with Vladimir Tsemakh can be found here:
The terrorist state of Russia downed MH17 and its been proven that the ruskies were also part of the rebel group responsible . court date coming up . losers
You know, when you just fart out unconvincing hot air – you are just wasting key strokes and bringing the Universe’s heat death just those few microseconds closer. Really, beyond that – no one is convinced by your excretions. Nor does anyone take offence to the blind acting blind.
A troll aims to fire up the anger synapses of those they are trolling, and you get a 0/10 on that score.
AH typical ruskie EH cant handle any truth .
Have you still not figured out that there is no space in front of a period? AH and EH are not words. Can’t has an apostrophe in it. Maybe your posts have a point, maybe not; but since you are unable to put a proper sentence together, I doubt anyone cares. Then there is the irony of a “typical ruskie” that uses the English language way better than the guy who claims to be from Canada.
Blow it out your cheeks dufus …. eH duMbazS
burn jew burn jew…satanic Evil jews…..we will get you sooner or later…ALL OF YOU…we will burn your satanic Kids and drown the rest of you Evil satanic bitches
Your light is all but out .
Hahah since when do you talk with a manitoba accent? Your from mississauga?
Your pants are on fire.
Ha ha there yours lol.
How does it feel to be a loser? I almost admire your stupid & pathetic bravery to show your face in here day in day out…while everyone is wiping their ass with you…
israeli Paid…..they have no morals no character no soul
we will get all of you satanic jews..dont worry Little jew…we will burn your Kids and drown the rest of you bunch
Even your sister says your a wack job , go pat your goat.
Whether these claimed intercepts are genuine or not they mean NOTHING to do with MH17.
I would have been shocked in fact if the Donbass freedom fighters has not contacted Russian military men for advice as to the best tactical defence of the civilians and their homes in the Donbass region. The Kiev armed forces and the private murder and rape gangs were attacking the Donbass with all the weapons in their military arsenal. Kiev at this stage was already under the de facto control of the US Coalition of Terror.
For the Dutch so called ‘Investigators’ to further their rather amateur and corrupt attempts to further distort reality is an insult to all the honest and decent Dutch citizens who abhor their Governments flirtation with Terrorism for the benefit the USA.
I would like to see how many US dollars have been paid to members of the Dutch parliament and all those connected with this stain on Holland as a nation.
To the Dutch charlatans concerned, my advice would be to stop digging the ‘pit of lies’ because it will become your Tomb.
Well said.
Thank you my friend.
Have you sensed an air of desperation in the Western narrative these past few weeks?
Western Europe.. They are desperate. I’ll give them one thing thou…persistence. Not convincing at all but persistent in their efforts. So out of 10 this gives them a 1 and that’s all thou cause the rest is all shyte. Clutching at straws they are. But the seem happy to allow nordstream 2 Hey? Russia can’t that bad now can they if they are allowing that pipeline to be built through certain western aligned countries. Maybe because they all know it’s all BS too?
‘Truth’ in war and politics is always the first casualty and are a sign of the (Western) Regimes that are LOSING.
In the era of the Internet it’s easy and fast to dissect Truth from Lies, and the West specialises in imbecilic and illogical fabrications to support their infernal aspirations.
It will not end well for Western nations that cannot overthrow the vermin currently in control.
You’re always welcome. I do/ NATO vassals are most funny in this regards. They’re acting as headless chickens :)
Have you seen the story today, with regards the millions in US dollars, that Burisma Holdings paid the Biden family and Kerry family? Money channelled through Kolomoiskys Privatt Bank. Burisma, who donate to the Atlantic Council, were part of Kolomoisky’s Privatt Group.
With the stuff coming out of the impeachment hearings, highlighting the corruption between Ukraine and US, no wonder they need MH17 to change the narrative. I
Even with an ‘Impeachment closed door rehearsal, the libtarded muppets in the US democratic party could not remember their script in the actual comedy show, AM :)
Greed often consumes its host.
Didn’t the US use the gold they flew out of Ukraine, to Re-imburse the Dutch?
I am not sure, it makes sense though for the US to bribe the Dutch with their own Dutch gold :)
I doubt if the USA would give their stolen gold to the Dutch, but everything is possible nowadays.
BBC spouting shite – https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48691488
Looking forward to the March trial. Wonder how they will handle a trial that needs substantive facts for evidence?
“My” Dutch Government are Filthy Treacherous- Lying-Terrorist-Supporting-ZioNazi-Cockroaches….
” My ” British Government is the same :)
Those passengers having the pilots as mediators had a Democratic meeting and decided to shoot down themselves.
It not the Russians, because they never NJET has any kind of Democrasy.
Don’t expect the truth from a cold blooded criminal. It’s like sending a criminal to investigate a murder case committed by his best friend who is also a criminal. He will definitely defend his best friend.
Bingo fuckface that’s why Russia was not part of the investigation , and all that false animated shit they were showing , versions ! – 22 was a bit much NO .
I know why you hate Russia so much, come on Solomon, that’s the past, forgive what the Russians have done to you in the past, we know they have used you as toilet paper. But come on, being a toilet paper for Russians isn’t that bad. We know you liked it, right? ;)
Are they going with the three tapes, merged into one and posted on the previous evening? Personally, I prefer the recording on the day, broadcast on Murdoch’s Australian channel, where Strelkov says Ukraine took down the passenger plane and the brave farmers and miners of Donetsk, took down the military jets shadowing the MH17.
Anybody could be speaking on those recordings, actors even, or they could be completely faked with software. Whatever the West comes up with, has to be taken with a load of shit, uh, sorry, salt.
Marie Harf – US State Department Spokesperson, who stated they relied on social media for intelligence. Wonder why the US Government spend billions on intelligence, when they only need Facebook?
Well, isn’t faecesbook part of the US intel? As is goolag, m$ etc.
Yep, but, when you think that it only cost Russia over £4000 using Facebook and 72p using Twitter, to rig an US Presidential election, you wonder why the US spends billions on intelligence, they have no faith in. When Facebook and Twitter covers their needs.
In case you haven’t seen these AM, filling in the missing pieces although I think you’ve got enough info that it might not make much difference: https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-real-ukraine-controversy-an-activist-u-s-embassy-and-its-adherence-to-the-geneva-convention/ then this: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/456619-george-soross-secret-2016-access-to-state-exposes-big-money-hypocrisy-of-democrats & soreass, from March 2015: https://money.cnn.com/2015/03/30/investing/ukraine-soros-billion-russia/index.html
Brilliant and thanks for the links. Read the first one, this morning. The 2nd, reminded me of back in 21014, Soros had invested so much and was demanding the EU cover his costs, via investment. Doesn’t he get double the amount he forks out, via his Open Society Foundation NGO, courtesy the tax payer and Government funding?
I have just read an article, over on Zero Hedge, with regards Soros demanding Foxgive no airtime to somebody that is working with John Solomon. They are trying to use the anti-semetic argument. Despite the fact he has no senetic DNA and has bragged about being an atheist, believing if there is a God, it is him.
Looks like the pressure might be getting to him.
Don’t believe these Dutch Lying Bastards….believe me….
fuckoff
Nope….you wish you little parasite….I’m here to harrass your folks a little…because they are Evil Satanic Sabbatean AshkeZioNazi Khazarian Imposters…who are killing Palestinian kids…& stole their land…
The terrorist Russians will be convicted in a court of law , something Russia does not have .
Little jew……how were the past 2 days in the bunker???…..enjoy life while u can….and dont Forget..sooner or later all jew will get wiped oof the planet earth….your Kids thrown into fire, and the rest of you Evil satanic jews drowned
Thank the lord I am a CANUCK EH loser . PS I bet the jews outlast the ruskies !!!!
Another MH17 cover-up maneuvre.
1ST day EH .
dutch JEW BITCHES
PUTIN MUST BE HELD RESPONSABLE .
Quite a bit of rats came out of the sewer on this one.
Well.done authors, you appeared to have kicked a hornets nest!
“the Dutch are deceiving everyone by” wiping “the last seconds of the recording of this fundamental parameter.”
That is a nonsense statement and a baseless allegation. Apart from the practical (im)possibility, Russian representatives, ICAO and several more were present when the data from the blackboxes were downloaded and analysed. Nobody at that time reported anything odd.
Under international law (as well as laws of a majority of the states),the concealment of facts related to the crime is a signal of complicity in the crime. The Dutch government, which is allegedly a neutral side in the MH17 case, is de-facto impeding the objective investigation of the tragedy.
That is another nonsense statement. The investigators in a criminal investigation will never reveal everything they know until the case is in court. In fact it is Russia that continuously “conceals the facts”. It forces the investigators to ask the public for information that Russia without doubt could give, for instance about suspects, the origin of the missile, radar data, and so on.
The Netherlands supported ISIS, Al-Qaeda & Affiliates with Toyotas & Other Equipment…the Netherlands is a Filthy Treacherous Terrorist-Supporting Lying Entity never to be trusted…
Now that is a “smart” response, hashblahblah. You are from? Ah… I see, The Netherlands.
Govert of Covert?
Pervert?
Long time no see…:)
No. Don´t see you on RI anymore. Hope you been keeping well.
Yes everything is goin’ very well….travelling the World…the people everywhere seem to be very well aware of all the things going on at the moment….which is a good thing
True though, isn´t it banderite? Dutch government supporting terrorists…..Tell me banderite, as “Al Quaeda or whatever stupid name they were given by Western governments committed what is the worst terrorist atrocity during 911, how do they square that with the support they give these “terrorist” organisations? The only answer to that is “Al Quaeda” didn´t do it, or indeed the Dutch have very bad memories. Both these would and should disqualify the Dutch from being in charge of “investigating” MH17.
No wonder the Malaysian´s have so little faith in what the Dutch government has achieved so far with the charade they call an “investigation”.
LMAO!!…Multi username lying cheating troll.
How did the SBU know MH17 was going to get shot down the day before it happened.
Check this out …..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm0VB0vEBe0
The whole Dutch case is nothing but fabricated tosh. They have nothing.
Tell me banderite…….Why was there no forensic analysis done on MH17 to establish what exactly shot down MH17?
I can answer that one….Have you the brains to do so?
The Ukraine is part of this investigation and the US for whatever reason have a strong handle on it, nobody is allowed to put out a press notice, without all Countries agreeing with it -> we know it is a farce, the Malaysians say it is a farce, much of The Netherlands population say it is a farce.
Let it be and don’t waste your time on it.