President of Turkey and Chairman of AK Party Recep Tayyip Erdogan delivers a speech during the meeting of local mayors at ATO Congresium in Ankara, Turkey on September 13, 2017. (Turkish Presidency / Yasin Bulbul / Handout – Anadolu Agency)
Turkish President Recep Erdogan has once again slammed the US and other NATO member states for their military and political support to Kurdish militias operating in northern Syria. President Erdogan has even described the US-NATO actions as a threat to the Turkish security.
“We cannot buy weapons from the US with our money, but unfortunately, the US and coalition forces give these weapons, this ammunition, to terrorist organizations for free,” Erdogan said in an interview on Turkish channel NTV. “So where does the threat come from? It comes primarily from strategic partners.”
Erdogan also recalled that the US continues its military supplies to the Kurdish-dominated Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) despite Ankara’s repeated statement about its concerns over the issue. According to Erdogan, the US had sent5,000 trucks “loaded with weapons” to the SDF.
The US has not only ignored Turksih concerns over the American strategy for Syria but has also threatened Ankara with new sanctions over the Russian-Turkish military cooperation.
“Ankara should be mindful of the risks in making strategic concessions to Moscow in order to achieve its tactical objectives in Syria. Ankara claims to have agreed to purchase the Russian S-400 missile system, which could potentially lead to sanctions under section 231 of CAATSA and adversely impact Turkey’s participation in the F-35 program,” Assistant Secretary of State Wess Mitchell said commenting on the Russian-Turkish relations.
“It is in the American national interest to see Turkey remain strategically and politically aligned with the West,” he said. “The ease with which Turkey brokered arrangements with the Russian military to facilitate the launch of its Operation Olive Branch in the Afrin district –arrangements to which America was not privy– is gravely concerning.”
The US diplomat also noted that Ankara “has increased its engagement with Russia and Iran.”
Erdogan has concluded that Turkey foreign policy has changed. Erdogan is no more allied with US and NATO against Muslims Palestinians, Syrians, Iraqis and Afghanis and therefore, Erdogan could call Assad for full support. Erdogan should visit Assad. Erdogan and Assad should unite their armies and defeat Kurdish terrorists and their masters US/UK/France. Also defeat Israeli terrorists in Palestine.
Dream. Turks welcomed Western strikes on Syria and Assad is an “animal” in Erdogan’s opinion.
Still you trust in MSM bs.
this is only dreaming erdogan hates assad and he wants to destroy him he will never unit with him
Erdogan has came out from US/NATO block because they have lost war in Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen etc. and have exposed in Palestine. Russia have started building six nuclear power plants in Turkey. One plant will start production in 2022 with capacity 24 Giga Watts and remaining are underdeveloped. Turkey have purchased S400 air defence system and the delivery will start in 2019. Russia and China will develop nuclear and industrial zones in Turkey. That is why now it is very difficult for Turkey to keep US and NATO forces and their spies on their own land. The future belong to Asia not to US and Europe.
i know all this…but i am afraid erdogan will be ended like they did with kadafi…same way
Well if you are right why erdogan agreed with the US-led strikes in Syria?
Still you trust in MSM bs. —————————————
NATO has nukes in Turkey. Erdogan is not that stupid to change sides.
Erdogan producing nukes since 2000. He does not need US nukes.
He may not need US nukes but that does not mean he can just take NATO nukes! Don’t be a fool
Very excellent statement from president Erdogan.
I would think that Turkey without the useless F35 will far better off. :)
The Yank arms manufacturers and government really do have a high opinion of themselves that conflicts with their abysmal record of American ‘exceptionalism’.
“The Yank arms manufacturers and government really do have a high opinion of themselves that conflicts with their abysmal record of American ‘exceptionalism'”
I wouldn’t mind about the opinion of madmen : )
It is when they have loaded guns that I worry John :)
true. idiots with guns are the most dangerous, especially the ones that believe that guns alone make any real difference.
I ‘ve been taught the ethics of weapons many years ago, and it’s pretty clear to me how the US is the country where the largest number of guns in the world is inversely proportional to the knowledge of such ethics by their bearers.
pls note – those teachings say that the lack of that etiquette will invariably lead to the demise of the wielder, no matter how much damage he has caused.
hope i expressed the concept clearly.
You have indeed John.
The careless and thoughtless use of any machine invariably harms the user as well as bystanders over time. Any fool can push the throttle to the full but we can see the results of this in Libya for example.
Violent crime and murder rates are much higher in places like the UK and Russia than they are in the US. White states in the US, like where I live, which are some of the most heavily armed, have some of the lowest violent crime and murder rates in the US. Black on black crime in the inner cities is much higher.
“For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: “violence against the person, with injury,” “most serious sexual crime,” and “robbery.” This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.”
– U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does =
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/
The murder rate in Russia is much higher than in the US:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1d61195ae5c1d95559c93c3ed130c0091f5f2b7ab2012f3a8d9e9f370bc1e023.png
– Russia and United States compared: Crime > Violent crime stats –
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime
I’d much rather live somewhere, everything else being approximately equal, where I can have a gun in my home and vehicle and on my person as I do, than someplace where I can’t.
the US in turn has the highest rate of sex related crimes of possibly the entire world.
If I had daughters, I’d prefer my neighbor to be a murderer rather than a rapist, as a murderer would target other criminals while a rapist would target everyone.
From which year the stats you linked are? I see “2007” listed in the sources of the data.
Russia was getting out of a rather long period of internal turmoil (from ’91, in which the very existence of the state was in jeopardy, crime stats reflect that.
If that’s the period of the data, it also does not include the large exacerbation of murders that has started to occur in US cities around 2012 – Chicago, Detroit and St Louis getting more than 500 murders per year, Baltimore (300’000 inhab’s) with more than 1 murder x day avg. Also look at the “gun crime” rate.
I wouldn’t give too much attention to murder stats as they pertain more to criminal environments than to the average citizen ones.
As you say, I’d prefer too to be able to legally possess a firearm – there is a catch though – and it’s difficult to get that into stats: having a firearm will actually increase your chances to be shot.
But I’m pretty sure that, if there was a gun for every, say, 5 people in Paris, or Orlando, or elsewhere, jihadi terrorists would have been stopped before they killed tens and tens of people.
Rape is a violent crime and is included in the stats. Would you rather that your daughter be knifed or raped? British knife crime is part of the stats and is worse than US gun crime. Granted not as deadly, but still a horrific crime. I’d rather my daughter have a gun than pepper spray, a whistle, knife or cell phone. Part of the problem is insane British laws saying that you can’t defend yourself.
The Russian stats were worse during the crash, they’ve improved but are still much worse than the US. Less than 1/10th of 1% of the US are no go areas for whites. Blacks and Hispanics can go anywhere. There is regional discrimination, but it isn’t anything like the inner city no go zones. I was one of the few white taxi drivers that would work those areas at night, and I did it for four years.
I haven’t checked 2017 stats, but I doubt that they’re much different.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4b13714c10d1119d7bbd45749e0152f09dd75b580f813d843178eb070f3d1bc9.png
– Study : Guns Stop Crime 2.5 Million Times Each Year –
http://thinkaboutnow.com/2016/06/study-guns-stop-crime-2-5-million-times-each-year/
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29a3faf7392c3364d8bc540a0923f96e4d15ba9a24a32390dd9f4a8271e3cd58.png
– Study : Guns Stop Crime 2.5 Million Times Each Year –
http://thinkaboutnow.com/2016/06/study-guns-stop-crime-2-5-million-times-each-year/
“the US in turn has the highest rate of sex related crimes of possibly the entire world.”
Not according to this list, the US is at the bottom of the worst offenders:
https://www.trendrr.net/13049/countries-with-highest-rape-crime-famous-global-statistics/
what is fgm?
Female gentile mutilation.
yeah, well come on – that’s not really a sex offence, not something women should worry about walking around at night in a city.
i’m not condoning it in any way, but afaik it’s a mostly subsaharian african practice, something that does not relate at all with the legal guns subject (about which, as i said i mostly agree with you).
not to mention that then we should include circumcision into sex offences as well.
I don’t know. There are reports on the internet from credible sources that 180,000 girls in Europe are victimized every year. The debate was violent crime statistics. I’d put that in that category. What would you consider cutting off the head of a minor’s penis? I’d consider it violent crime.
“What would you consider cutting off the head of a minor’s penis?”
omg, it’s not the head, just the skin around it. in any case, it’s unjustified, if not for medical reasons.
The analogy that I’m making is that female genital mutilation is called that because they’re removing the clitoris, not the clitoral hood. Which any humane person would consider felony sexual assault resulting in serious and permanent injury punishable by a long prison sentence. And it frequently isn’t done by a doctor and results in additional negative medical complications. Including death.
“The analogy that I’m making is that female genital mutilation is called that because they’re removing the clitoris, not the clitoral hood”
understood.
“So yes it is a sexual crime and a violent crime”
not in this discussion context. It’s not a security related crime. It’s not a crime that guns will in any case affect. Unless you are planning to creep on “doctors” (or whoever does it) that perform it and murder them with guns (it’s a paradox i’m saying).
A woman with a gun will have increased chances of avoid being raped.
FGM does not relate to guns. Guns aren’t going to reduce chances of a girl being FGMed.
Whatever you think about the issue in general, I have similar views, in the sense it’s a disgusting thing to have, and if I had the power I’d legislate to put an absolute end to it in any country.
Yet it’s something that afaik parents themselves force upon girls before they reach adulthood. it’s a social, customary practice that needs to be discussed in very different fields than gun control.
It’s obviously a form of domestic violence and a security issue. If you knew anything about gun rights you’d know that any type of domestic violence offense can be a disqualifying factor for the perp trying to exercise their gun rights.
You admit that coercion is used in the commission of FMG crimes. Not only against the victim, but depending on circumstances against another family member or members, like a spouse or sibling trying to protect the victim from being injured and maimed for life. Which is also a crime that can lead to or involve domestic violence, restraining orders etc.. Guns are used to deter those types of crimes in the US every day.
i wasn’t unreasonable at all but let me resume it clearly:
Guns and FGM will never correlate. You will never even get close to prove a link between the two things in front of anyone.
“You admit that coercion is used in the commission of FMG crimes”
wrong. I only admitted that I’m disgusted like you are on the subject.
you were a much more direct and reasonable person, now you’re behaving like a jew. discuss in this way with gramme something, i don’t do pharisaic prose.
You wrote:
“it’s something that afaik parents themselves force upon girls before they reach adulthood.”
And now you contradict what you wrote by writing:
“”You admit that coercion is used in the commission of FMG crimes”
wrong. I only admitted that I’m disgusted like you are on the subject.”
Forcing something on someone is a form of coercion by any rational definition of the term. So who’s being unreasonable?
“Guns and FGM will never correlate. You will never even get close to prove a link between the two things in front of anyone.”
Wrong, I have and I will continue to. FGM is a form of domestic violence by any rational definition of the term. And it’s human nature to resist injury inflicted on oneself or others by using force if necessary, which includes firearms when and if they’re part of the equation.
Here in the US, they’re obviously a big part of the equation. So your assertion that there’s no nexus between FGM domestic violence and guns is foolish. When guns are used to deter domestic violence on a daily, if not hourly, basis here in the US.
Being direct and telling it like it is, also known as being frank and telling the truth, doesn’t justify accusing me of behaving like a Jew. Who are habitual liars.
You’re the one making contradictory untruthful statements, also known as lying, not me. So who’s behaving like a Jew?
Well Pres. Erdogan why are you still in NATO? The last thing you need is a dysfunctional F35 with ami avionics, right? The last thing you need is being bamboozled by DE and FR and the amis, right? The last thing you need is israel making ME decisions for you, right? Make your own way EU will follow. It always has.
Turkey’s hard currency is from its exports to NATO nations, allowing imports from NATO and even Israeli goods. A large portion of domestic heavy industry was financed and partially owned by Euo/NATO, UAE, US, FRANCE AND BRITAIN. ERDOGAN talks tough but damn well knows he can be taken out of picture whenever those foreign interest want He only remained in power after guaranteeing to aid in overthrowing Assad and dividing its lands with EuroCentrics and Israel. IN all conflicts US has launched in ME And Central Asia Turkey has willingly aided by sales of fuel, small arms, providing transit routes and supplies to Euro/IS terrorist movements. IF ONE ONCE BEGINS ON ONE’S KNEES TO PLEASE THEIR MASTERS, WHY ARE THEY ACTING IN SURPRISE THAT THEIR MASTERS KEALOISLY PROTECT THEIR SLAVES. ERDOGAN just playing the game, both for foreign whining for more actresses , and domesticly as the Turkish government habit one means over its hirings, force. Well at first signs of ERDOGAN weakness and his throat is cut, by a fellow Turk. Makes no diff to US/NATO, who leads Turkey; just as long as they strip body and soul when bending over for them.
The US needs to spread its losses of money on overpriced F35 with its vassals. Israel gets F35’s at no cost; therefore, the US needs Turkey to offset the losses to Israel by buying overpriced and of dubious quality airplanes.
wow.. this is like Japanese, korean, German etc etc leaders saying the biggest threat comes from US forces stationed in their territories.
You have to wonder why the US is so concerned about Turkey buying Russian AA gear. There have long been rumours that the US can shut down its weapons belonging to other nations, is that why the US is concerned?
Yep, you buy Russian AA gear if you want to down USA planes (and vice versa). Of course, not getting money is important too.
Haha and the Sanction is: ” If you buy S-400 from Russia, we will not sell you F-35s”. F-35 are the most failed Jets, in history so much money for what, fuck that F-35 program, trust me Turkey don’t ever buy F-35’s. Instead buy some Su-57 from Russia.
The US is flooding Turkey with weapons that will be used against Turkey. That isn’t how alliance members are supposed to act.
If this is so……why did Turkey supported the USA-Israel-NATO missiles attack to Syria ? Why does Turkey still have NATO basis and their nuclear bomb ? Why did you smuggle Syria oil (taken by ISIS) to your country and sold it to USA-Europe-Japan ? Why do you still smuggle industrial part of Syria industry to your country ? Why do you still support terrorists on you borders with Syria ?
Nop, my friend, it is IMPOSSIBLE to trust Turkey in anything.
So, they want to split Turkey to establish Kurdistan, and they think Turkey should help them? They feel everyone has to march to their orders and drums. What arrogance!! https://brilliantmaps.com/new-middle-east/