This video is based on the analysis of the Saker “Escalation in Syria – how far can the Russians be pushed?“. Separately, SouthFront is working on own critical analysis on modern Russia. This documentary will be ready in middle March.
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Events in Syria have recently clearly taken a turn for the worse and there is an increasing amount of evidence that the Russian task force in Syria is being targeted by a systematic campaign of “harassing attacks”.
The recent incident, like drone and mortar attack on the Russian Aerospace Forces base in Khmeimin, the shooting down of a Russian SU-25, so-called Russian casualties in US airstrikes in Deir Ezzor, likely indicate on starting of implementation of a new US strategy in Syria: to punish the Russians as much as possible short of an overt US attack on Russian forces. This hypothesis is based on the following reasons:
First, the USA and Israel are still reeling in humiliation and impotent rage over their defeat in Syria: Assad is still in power, ISIS is more or less defeated, the Russians were successful not only their military operations against ISIS but also in their campaign to bring as many “good terrorists” to the negotiating table as possible. With the completion of a successful conference on Syria in Russia and the general agreement of all parties to begin working on a new constitution, there was a real danger of peace breaking out, something the US and Israeli-led block is absolutely determined to oppose.
Second, both Trump and Netanyahu have promised to bring in lots of “victories” to prove how manly and strong they are. Starting an overt war against Russian would definitely be a “proof of manhood”, but a much too dangerous one. Killing Russians “on the margins”, so to speak, either with plausible deniability or, alternatively, killing Russians private contractors is much safer and thus far more tempting option.
Third, there are presidential elections coming up in Russia and the US Americans are still desperately holding on to their sophomoric notion that if they create trouble for Putin they can somehow negatively impact his popularity in Russia.
Last but not least, since the US and Israeli-led block has long lost the ability to actually getting anything done, their logical fall-back position is not let anybody else succeed either. This is the main purpose of the entire US deployment in northern Syria: to create trouble for Turkey, Iran, Syria and, of course, Russia.
The bottom line is this: since the US Americans have declared that they will (illegally) stay in Syria until the situation “stabilizes” they now must do everything their power to destabilize Syria. Yes, there is a kind of a perverse logic to all that…
Step one: encouraging the Turks
There is a counter-intuitive but in many ways an ideal solution for Russia to counter the US invasion of Syria: involve the Turks. And do it not by attacking the US forces directly, but by attacking the Kurdish militias the US Americans are currently “hiding” behind. While the US and Israel will have no second thoughts whatsoever before striking Syrian or Iranian forces, actually striking Turkish forces would carry an immense political risk: following the US-backed coup attempt against Erdogan and, just to add insult to injury, the US backing for the creation of a “mini-Kurdistsan” both in Iraq and in Syria, US-Turkish relations are at an all-time low and it would not take much to push the Turks over the edge with potentially cataclysmic consequences for the US, EU, NATO, CENTCOM and Israel interests in the region. Truly, there is no overstating the strategic importance of Turkey for Europe, the Mediterranean and the Middle-East, and the US Americans know that. From this flows a very real if little understood consequence: the Turkish armed forces in Syria basically enjoy what one would call a “political immunity” from any US attacks, that is to say that no matter what the Turks do, the US would never consider actually openly using force against them simply because the consequence of, say, a USAF strike on a Turkish army column would be too serious to contemplate.
In fact, the US-Turkish relationship is so bad and so one-sided that one would see a Turkish attack on a Kurdish column/position with embedded US Special Forces far more likely than a US attack on a Turkish army column. This might sound counter-intuitive, but let’s say the Turks did attack a Kurdish column/position with US personnel and that US servicemen would die as the result. What could the US do? Not only is the notion of the US attacking a fellow NATO country member is quite unthinkable, it would most likely be followed by a Turkish demand that the US/NATO completely withdraw from Turkey’s territory and airspace. In theory, the US could ask the Israelis to do their dirty job for them, but the Israelis are not stupid and they won’t have much interest in starting a shooting war with Turkey over what is a US-created problem in a “mini-Kurdistan”.
No, if the Turks actually killed US servicemen there would be protests and a flurry of “consultations” and other symbolic actions, but beyond that, the US would take the losses and do nothing about it. As for Erdogan, his popularity at home would only soar even higher. What all this means in practical terms is that if there is one actor which can seriously disrupt the US operations in northern Syria, or even force the US to withdraw, it is Turkey. That kind of capability also gives Turkey a lot of bargaining power with Russia and Iran which Erdogan will carefully use to his own benefit. So far Erdogan has only threatened to deliver an “Ottoman slap” to the USA and Secretary of State Tillerson is traveling to Ankara to try to avert a disaster, but the Turkish instance that the USA chose either the Turkish or the Kurdish side in the conflict very severely limits the chances of any real breakthrough. One should never say never, but it would take something of a miracle at this point to really salvage the US-Turkish relationship. Russia can try to capitalize on this dynamic.
The main weakness of this entire concept is, of course, that the USA is still powerful enough, including inside Turkey, and it would be very dangerous for Erdogan to try to openly confront and defy Uncle Sam. So far, Erdogan has been acting boldly and in overt defiance of the USA, but he also understands the risks of going too far and for him to even consider taking such risks there have to be prospects of major benefits from him. Here the Russians have two basic options: either to promise the Turks something very inciting or to somehow further deteriorate the current relationship between the US and Turkey.
The other obvious risk is that any anti-Kurdish operation can turn into yet another partition of Syria, this time by the Turks. However, the reality is that the Turks can’t really stay for too long in Syria, especially not if Russia and Iran oppose this. There is also the issue of international law which is much easier for the USA to ignore than for the Turks.
For all these reasons using the Turks to put pressure on the USA has its limitations. Still, if the Turks continue to insist that the USA stop supporting the Kurds, or if they continue putting military pressure on the Kurdish militias, then the entire US concept of a US-backed “mini-Kurdistan” collapses and, with it, the entire US partition plan for Syria.
So far, the Iraqis have quickly dealt with the US-sponsored “mini-Kurdistan” in Iraq and the Turks are now taking the necessary steps to deal with the US-sponsored “mini-Kurdistan” in Syria at which point *their* problem will be solved. The Turks are not interested in helping Assad or, for that matter, Putin and they don’t care what happens to Syria as long as *their* Kurdish problem is under control. This means that the Syrians, Russians, and Iranians should not place too much hope on the Turks turning against the USA unless, of course, the correct circumstances are created. Only the future will tell whether the Russians and the Iranians will be able to help to create such circumstances.
Step two: saturating Syria with mobile modern short/middle range air defenses
Right now nobody knows what kind of air-defense systems the Russians have been delivering to the Syrians over the past couple of years, but that is clearly the way to go for the Russians: delivering as many modern and mobile air defense systems to the Syrians. While this would be expensive, the best solution here would be to deliver as many Pantsir-S1 mobile Gun/SAM systems and 9K333 Verba MANPADs as possible to the Syrians and the Iranians. The combination of these two systems would immensely complicate any kind of air operations for the US Americans and Israelis, especially since there would be no practical way of reliably predicting the location from which they could operate. And since both the USA and Israel are operating in the Syrian skies in total violation of international law while the Syrian armed forces would be protecting their own sovereign airspace, such a delivery of air-defense systems by Russia to Syria would be impeccably legal. Best of all, it would be absolutely impossible for the US and Israeli-led block to know who actually shot at them since these weapon systems are mobile and easy to conceal. Just like in Korea, Vietnam or Lebanon, Russian crews could even be sent to operate the Syrian air defense systems and there would be no way for anybody to prove that “the Russians did it” when US and Israeli aircraft would start falling out of the skies. The Russians would enjoy what the CIA calls “plausible deniability”.
The other option for the Russians would be to offer upgrades (software and missile) to the existing Syrian air defense systems, especially their road-mobile 2K12 Kub and 9K37 Buk systems. Such upgrades, especially if combined with enough deployed Pantsirs and Verbas would be a nightmare for both the US Americans and the Israelis. The Turks would not care much since they are already basically flying with the full approval of the Russians anyway, and neither would the Iranians.
One objection to this plan would be that two can play this game and that there is nothing preventing the USA from sending even more advanced MANPADs to their “good terrorist” allies, but that argument entirely misses the point: if both sides do the same thing, the side which is most dependent on air operations (the USA) stands to lose much more than the side which has the advantage on the ground (the Russians). Furthermore, by sending MANPADs to Syria, the USA is alienating a putative ally, Turkey, whereas if Russia sends MANPADs and other SAMs to Syria the only one who will be complaining will be the Israelis. When that happens, the Russians will have a simple and truthful reply: we did not start this game, your US allies did, you can go and thank them for this mess.
The main problem in Syria is the fact that the US and the Israelis are currently operating in the Syrian skies with total impunity. If this changes, this will be a slow and gradual process. First, there would be a few isolated losses (like the Israeli F-16 recently), then we would see that the location of US and/or Israeli airstrikes would gradually shift from urban centers and central command posts to smaller, more isolated targets. This would indicate an awareness that the most lucrative targets are already too well defended. Eventually, the number of air sorties would be gradually replaced by cruise and ballistic missiles strikes. Underlying it all would be a shift from offensive air operations to force protection which, in turn, would give the Syrians, Iranians, and Hezbollah a much easier environment to operate in. But the necessary first step for any of that to happen would be to dramatically increase the capability of Syrian air defenses.
Hezbollah has, for decades, very successfully operated under a total Israelis air supremacy and their experience of this kind of operations would be invaluable to the Syrians until they sufficiently built up their air defense capabilities.
Conclusion: is counter-escalation really the only option?
Some starting to believe that the Empire has decided to attempt upon a partial “reconquista” of Syria, even Macron is making some noises about striking the Syrians to “punish” them for their use of (non-existing) chemical weapons. At the very least, the USA wants to make the Russians pay as high a price as possible for their role in Syria. Further US goals in Syria include:
- The imposition of a de-facto partition of Syria by taking under control the Syrian territory east of the Euphrates river
- The theft of the gas fields located in northeastern Syria
- The creation of a US-controlled staging area from which Kurdish, good terrorist and bad terrorist operations can be planned and executed
- The sabotaging of any Russian-backed peace negotiations
- The support for Israeli operations against Iranian and Hezbollah forces in Lebanon and Syria
- Engaging in regular attacks against Syrian forces attempting to liberate their country from foreign invaders
- Presenting the invasion and occupation of Syria as one of the “victories” promised by Trump to the MIC and the Israel lobby
So far the Russian response to this developing strategy has been a rather a passive one and the current escalation strongly suggests that a new approach might be needed. The shooting down of the Israeli F-16 is a good first step, but much more needs to be done to dramatically increase the costs the Empire will have to pay for is policies towards Syria. The increase in the number of Russian commentators and analysts demanding a stronger reaction to the current provocations might be a sign that something is in the making.
I like the second option. Give them (SAA) pointy sticks.
Dear Putin cheerleaders & russophiles, Russia’s strategy in Syria after more than 2 years of direct military involvement has proven to be a total fiasco, as clearly stated in the conclusions of that video-analysis (better say propaganda): “So far the Russian response to this developing strategy has been a rather a passive one and the current escalation strongly suggests that a new approach might be needed…The increase in the number of Russian commentators and analysts demanding a stronger reaction to the current provocations might be a sign that something is in the making.” IN A FEW WORDS, AFGHANISTAN 2.0 IN THE MAKING.
Russias primary goal was to stabilise the Syrian government & prevent its collapse. They have achieved that objective – the government is in a much better position than it was 2 years ago & are making gains across the country. Although there are still major obstacles such as the Turkish incursion & the defacto partition by the US of the East I would say its the US regime change policy which has been the real fiasco whilst also alienating its Turkish ally with its support for the Kurds. Utter failure of US/Zio policy
Look at Putins speeches during sep-dec 2015.
I am looking at the situation now in 2018 & comparing it with where Syria was before Russia intervened in 2015. The government would have fallen for sure – another regime change mess like Libya was averted. Whatever Putins tactical shortcomings have been you can not deny the fact Assad is still in power thanks to Russia.
Beacause you are stupid. The situation in 2018 if far worse then putin promised.
He is liar, russia betrayer.
Who cares what he said just look at Syria now & where it was 3 years ago. Assads position is stronger. Sounds like you are upset that regime change plan has failed
Assad just got invaded by Turkey. You think his position is stronger now? Word on the street is Mexico now wants a piece of Syria.
and instead they take texas – arizona – new mexico and callifornia to start with. How things turn around ha?
You on drugs?
i am sure you are. on several prescription drugs. If I have to guess I say a cocktail of prozac and ritalin.
Well in fact in my opinion, Assad welcomes it . Read the article . Even Russia loves it .
it’s easier to get Turkey out than USA …
My foot anyone can get a piece of Syria .
who is the author of this article?
The US are notorious for touring around the world regime changing
We need a regime change in the US and ISRAEl
brainless post…. be an ostrich..
He’s liar… and U R ???
god
a very confused turkish jew. What they call neo-turk. This breed, has an empty space between their ears and they think, the echoing of the air passing between their ears, is the word of their god.
Former President Obama use the excuse of regime changed and tried to over thrown Assad to build a pipe line inside Syria. Were you the president of Syria would you like foreign country steal the oil? I’m not a Republican and had voted for Obama twice and donated to his campaign but his middle east policies have created millions refugees globally, very disappointed by his ME policies. He together with Hillary Clinton also sold the weapons to ISIS to let the terrorists fought against Assad. White Helmet was under the payroll of both US & UK they would refuse to help if they don’t pay on time.
BRAVO!
How is it a fiasco when with Russia’s help Assad is winning left and right?
The only problem is Assad is a quiet introvert (hardly a butcher type as portrayed by western media only recently dropped) leader . His silence made others like US’s comments seen legitimate and soon all in the world will concur , US is legit in Syria. Stupid fella.
as her name suggest, is an amoeba on steroids and a touch of acid. Don`t give her legitimacy, by responding to her.
Ah!…. the serial wanker is back with his usual sexually induced and mind blurred drivel. I suggest you go back to your porn magazines and carry on with what you do best, and leave the educated adults to hold a sensible discussion on this site?
This makes many assumptions I find erroneous and way off target.
There are competing blocks in US government.
Those who oppose Trump want to provoke a major war with Russia.
Provocations increasing in frequency and seemingly more desperate
Why has Putin not responded strongly and aggressively? Could Trump be in constant contact telling him everything? I trust Trump and Putin American traitors will be brought to justice
I agree with your assessment – things are definitely not what they seem within the American oligarchy. If the neo-cons could there would have been ruinous war with Russia and Iran long ago. The goal within America is to prevent the defeat of the nationalist elite by the globalist elite cabal that simply are prepared to fire sale the US. Russia and the rest of the world do not want this – certainly they do not want war – but on a pragmatic level it is no benefit to Russia to have the US thrown into chaos. The irony is that the totally unnecessary cold war redux is being driven by forces outside of the US – anglo/zionist globalist cabals are not too happy with Trump and much more dangerous to them is the growing awareness of their treachery within the movement that led to his election.
Trump is a hostage of the Zionist neocons…Putin save Trump after Shayrat cruise missile attacks because with having said that Russian had disabled 36 cruise missile over mediterranean sea and the base are operational…Trump would have had serious problems!
Its the Russian elections that is restraining Mr Putin. Just 3 more weeks to wait.
Good point
Cant wait to see more nato jets falling from the sky
And they will
Let’s hope so. However, so far Russian response to the death of their soldiers, daily attacks at its embassy and downing of jets has been very tepid. The headchoppers under CIA direction even rocketed the main Russian airbase causing damage to 8 aircraft and Russia did nothing. 300 or so brave Russian young men from the Wagner group in Deir Azzor were killed by US criminals and then again no response. Russia will become irrelevant and only embolden the US thugs if does not act decisively. If Grozny, that is 100 times bigger that the Ghouta terrorist enclave was flattened in 24 hours, how come the US headchoppers are still firing hundreds of projectiles at Damascus every day?
Yes, it all looks very odd indeed! Normally the Russians are very careful not to make an immediate reponse as “Revenge is a dish best served and eaten cold”. They’ll have been thinking their way through all of this very carefully and come up with an appropriate and commensurate action – just wait and see?
Its hard for them to maintain their innocence if they attack without provocation. Why would the SAA and Russian contractors bother attacking the SDF?…..surely they know they would get hit back courtesy of the US. So who gave the order and why?
Good point! But that doesn’t ever stop the US engineering excuses as they do False Flag attacks! The Russians will see an opportunity which the US creates and makes a mistake. Patience is the watchword here.
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With multi foreign countries tried to share the natural sources-OIL in Syria, Assad has no choice but invited Russia for help. Were you home got invasion would you ask for help?
The BEST from Putin, so far: “Any use of nuclear weapons against Russia or its allies, be it small-scale, medium-scale or any other scale, will be treated as a nuclear attack on our country. The response will be instant and with all the relevant consequences,” he pointed out.! http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/03/01/553998/Russia-Vladimir–Putin-nuclear and http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13961210000999
Being a man of many years experience (78 and counting:-) ), I have learned NEVER to believe “ANYTHING one hears and only HALF of what one sees”, I have ONE QUESTION- Which and WHO are Russia’s “Allies”.?
THAT is the problem !
Its not a problem to Russia
S-200VE’s and KUB’s are enoth just maintain them well,also no need to send them verba manpads older Strela-3 and IGLA-1’s will do well.
Turks are also others losers of the Syrian war…Erdogan try to keep a FSA zone in Idlib and also to take control of Afrin borders…but not much more!…USA will not let Turkish army enter in Raqqa or East Deir Ezzor…for other side USA haven´t much interest in liquidating ISIS East of Deir Ezzor because it would star a conflict between SAA vs US backed forces once ISIS is wipe off…then SAA will deploy mobile Pantsir system in Deir Ezzor and along Eufrates which would lead a Non fly zone imposed by USA from north Palmira to Deir Ezzor to avoid supplies… that would be the prelude of a confrontation Syria,Russia,Iran vs SDF&USA!…..in that case Turkey would ban the use of its air space and airbases to USAF!
only in your wet dreams
Tell me what could USA do in case of war vs SAA and Russian forces without Turkish aispace and bases?…to attack from Jordan or Israel?…would those countries agree?..I doubt it!
Turkey has 50 US/NATO nukes. Kicking USA/NATO military bases out of Turkey and stealing the nukes. Talk about kicking off WW3 if Turkey decides switch teams.
Impeccable logic, as always. Thank you, The Saker.
the reflexion in the sunglasses at +/- 07:18 was the best thing i have seen today, it made my day.
The seven objectives pointed out seems to be big no no for Assad’s allies and I just cannot comprehend how the author seems to think it is even possible no matter how powerful US is and said they would stay.
Countries just do not allow that even so Assad is winning not losing and really can anyone show me how the US is able to defend the areas with just air power? Look at how Hezbollah fought in Lebanon 2006 and how Houthis are fighting now in Yemen? Are they losing against the might of the strongest air forces? Absolutely not . Only fools would fight with big useless armour against US or Israel air forces. It is better to be bare or sandal footed ….
It is not unlike Russia , Iran , and syria do not have air defences and how the heck can US even think of staying with the likes of Iran who do not care two hoots about engaging Americans.
So wait for the terrorists to be wiped out and the Americans will leave as they are illegal . Using their mouths to conquer an part of Syria just cannot happen unless Russians, Iranians , Hezbollah and Syrians people are sooooooo cowardly where even poor Houthis dared? No it would not happen.
Frankly even Assad’s SAA alone can force out the US as they are in Syria and Syrian people will drive those enemies out .
for the moment they do hold a big part using the kurds and they are in force into jordan, thought none speak about it, not to mention israel. Unlike sane people americans and allies are not sane are puppets under orders to do or die and die they will since they have a collapsing economy and the $ as an international trading tool that given them the power in the past is become a coin of the past in most of the free world.
The only thing that can save them it is a global war one they been pushing to happen and still do for over two decades now, and still do the best they can to provoke it. Other wise they lose everything and I am not talking about USA now but the all what is called western world or NATO or how ever stupid name want to call it. When a would be global empire make her move and suddenly someone pull the carpet under their feed, after that common sense cease to exist and panic and spasmodic moves control their actions. Only with the hard core of NWO this spasmodic moves been replaced, with absolutely insane pathetic moves. And that you should be afraid off. They are playing their last cards. With the anglozionist in the background pulling their strings.
Go home Promitheas! You’re drunk!
i never had a drink in my life, dinky bell.
The issue is immediate , can US be able to defend their tiny forces there in Syria.
Even Kurds would be wise enough when the threats of complete annihiliation is certain their status as Syrian citizens becomes zero. even the Kurds would be wise enough as in Iraq to stay out.
Even if the Kurds go full length to fight, they are no match for the Iranians and Syrians alone even if Russian stay out.
The point I like to make is … how the heck can US defend the areas they currently hold. How the small force can resist Houthis style battle ….
No , dont talk about the US forces in Jordan .. it’s not that they can just march in when the entire SAA, Iranians , Hezbollah are fully battle hardened ready to do battle vs novice Americans who have not seen battle.
The good thing is US can only use their few F22s to bomb or their F35s which proven can be damaged by “flying birds”. One hour of F22 needs 30 hours of maintenance … for you info unlike J20s or Su57s . These cannot anyway be able to target foot soldiers not in heated armoured vehicles traps.
Large armies are not practical in the war is going on beside as foot soldiers they have the kurds and at the right moment the turks will sell who ever trusted them and join in with them, as is part of their planning all along.
They also have the jordanian army they been training all along as well their ground forces in jordan as well israel and the army they send there so are not so few as you want to believe. Beside as russians proved by giving logistic support and with very few of her soldiers on the ground look what they achieved up to this point.
I know more about F35 than you do my friend, as well about many other things you dont and F35s or F22s, unlike what ignorant people think, are not invisible. Beside that the F35 is a frying coffin. Any low frequency, old radar can see them. Same as the Yugoslavians seen the F22 and shoot it down. So forget the myth of invisibility exist only in b-holywood movies. Search it learn.
And learn not to assume what others know or think just say what you want to say and listen to their answers you always have the time to respond with out assuming.
And is one thing to be pragmatic and see realistically facts as they are and another you to think for a sec i am pro american and all that goes with it. Far from it.
We shall have to differ in our opinion then. Jordan will never join to attack an Arab country and allow an alien force to create a state. That is silly .
..and for the rest of the American forces and Israeli forces… I doubt they can even move into Syria. Hey it is not that Assad is fighting alone . They have the Iranians and Hezbollah and Russia too !
Russia needs Assad to stay as Syria actually saved Russia economically because of the blocking of the pipeline. So Russians are in .
So forget about any force from Jordan … how else can US defend their 2000 soldiers and risk their lives illegally. Can any commander face their families to die illegally in another country? I doubt so.
My bet is that Assad will use legal means first to get US to get out in UN and as usual US will veto … then the battle begins.
With the Iranian land corridor …. there is an endless supply of materials and manpower. It’s like Ho chih Meng trail in Vietnam .
I think WW111 has begun in Syria
Its just a matter of time fore the nukes that flying around
Israel would be a good first candidate to nuke and free the Palestinians
Nothing serious will happen from the Russians until after the elections there on 18th March. Then with that out of the way, ‘bang’, bye bye American pie.
more than likely but not in that simple way. There is a lot of game yet to be played and it be slow and painful.
Interestingly, I suggested this solution in several past posts. Saturate the Syrian airspace with MANPAD’s and PANTSIR S plus of course S200, S300 and S 400 batteries. Eventually NATO and IAF planes will be brought down in numbers. Once this happens, they will become very wary about illegally entering Syrian airspace and without control of the skies their ground offensive capability is substantially diminished. It would be interesting to see if Syrian air defences could bring down F22’s and F35’s. That would send a big message, and, moreover, be a considerable boost to the Russian defence industry and puncture the massive US ego and self confidence. These developments would bolster Russias and Syria’s immage in the region and encourage other countries to become much less scared of confronting the US and Israel if needs dictate.
Take 10 minutes and watch this then search it, even if your knowledge of electronics and radar systems is not enough use common sense and understand what you find in your search and then this myth of the invisible stealth planes will be answered once and for all in your mind. There are no invisible aircraft or ships or anything else for that matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw .
Reminds me of the pre WW2 Japanese train of thought of dividing their inventory of single seat / single engine combat aircraft into the ‘light fighter’ (unamoured, light armaments, longer range, cheaper production cost, etc), and ‘heavy fighter’ (more powerful engine, better service ceiling, self sealing fuel tanks, etc) categories. The Japanese were believing their vaunted A6M2 Zero could carry them to victory throughout the war, but should have invested as much time and effort to get better aircraft like the Ki 84 ready in early WW2.
I am sure you trying to say something, I just did not understand what.
Sorry, it didn’t seem like I articulated it well. It would seem like the US is making a similar investment mistake the way the Japanese did (as mentioned above) with the F22 and F35. The F22 looks like a safe bet in every aspect than the troublesome F35 that many in the Pentagon think is just as good as the former.
“Same as the Yugoslavians seen the F22 and shoot it down.” ————————— Correction It’s not F-22, but F-117 A
Clever comment, but as for f-35, they SAA destroyed one with old S-200, no upgrades.
True! Thanks! …….Overlooked that! The key to destroying US will is to break them pschologically. They’re strong only when they’re in the complete ascendent. As proven in the Vitenam, Iraq and Afghan wars, once they are rendered impotent they crack and can then be readily easily defeated. The key to their strength is airpower. Once that’s fundamentally weakened the morale of their ground troops would be seriously weakened. Given their culturally soft and morally corrupt society and spoilt upbringing they are the most easily pschologically undermined by failure.
100% factual comment. Just transferring a few batteries of S-400 and a few dozen SU-35 to the Iranians should put the fear of God into the US cowards and their headchoppers. It beggars belief that Russian policy is so confused and incoherent that it is giving the wrong signals to its enemies and only emboldening them. Unleash the Red Army like in 1945, when it defeated the Nazis.
I agree wholeheartedly that the Russians should now sell S400’s and SU35’s to Iran and make sure they have adequate MANPAD’s, PANTSIR S and all other pieces of kit they need to stop any Israeli or US air strikes. Pity they don’t have ICBM’s as it’s the only thing the US New World Order maniacs respect.
Did you notice that the Israeli’s did not come back after their F16 bit the dust? The F16 is a better plane than the F35. Does Israel have F22’s? I don’t know.
Ray, the US sold F22’s to Israel a few years back. Israel is the only US ally that gets all the latest kit. The UK is not permitted to purchase F22’s for example and neither is the German Luftwaffe. Fascinating isn’t it.
Thanks for that info Nigel. No doubt they will not risk the F22 against the s400’s anytime soon. They would be down a few quid and short a few planes. Did you listen to Putin’s address last week. If he is not bluffing about the new weapons then USA’s days in West Asia are numbered.
Yes I did and its was a very good address. The military matters were designed to make the US Neocons war maniacs stop and think. However, Putin would have been very unwise to release all their hidden surprises which he would not, in any case been allowed to do. Some of his presentation
I would definitely not be in favour of nuking civilian populations. It must be understood that most of them are slaves to the banksters. It is also a fact that Putin is not a plenipotentiary. You might want to listen to Evgeniy Fedorov’s video ‘The turning point’. Hopefully after the 18th March Putin will have got rid of the pro US puppets in Russia and the Mafia Banksters. Also Nikolai Starikov’s video ‘Stalin, Golden Ruble and how to escape the Cabal’. You will also see other videos by these two which are very informative.
Ray this is true and I agree! Thanks for your recommendations; appreciated!
However, Putin did point out in veiled terms that those responsible for targeting Russia would not escape even were Russia annihilated as their smart weapons would wipe out all those reponsible; i.e. the US, Deep State, the Rothschild’s, Rockefellers and their lousy ilk. The US and UK have been utterly brainwashed by the Cabal and their controlled mainstream media. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ryn7z-cp0
and, more importantly this by the famous editorial journalist of Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung who was dying of cancer and prematurely killed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B_3-KWIfkc
Best regards and good luck!
Very, very instructive Nigel. Most of us would be familiar with this but for the uninitiated it would be explosive. Particularly those who swallow the MSM bait hook line and sinker. Thanks for that.
Pleasure Ray! We’re all being strongly manipulated ad brainwashed by a complicit and controlled MSM and education system very much in the same way as the Nazi’s did in pre – war Germany.
Nigel, I just watched a video dated November 2017 in which it was claimed that the US refused to sell the F22 to Israel because of fear of technology rip off as apparently the Israeli’s ripped off the F35 and incorporated it into some Israeli plane.
So, Erdogan is playing pretty positive game.
Turkey is no chicken
Yes, it is easy to compel Turks to leave Syria as compared to compelling US. Russia and Iran could later make Turks leave through economic pressure too. Especially, if Russia puts the sanctions as it did earlier when it’s fighter jet was destroyed by the Turks. Turks were loosing 10 Billion USD due to the tourist and other sanctions by Russia and that brought Erdogan on the his knees.
Any effort to limit the gassing, or carpet bombing of civilians by the soviets or medieval dictator Assad is worth the effort
Ur playing the US tune/ “he’s gassing his own people” only the statement is not true. Its the US that produces the gas for rebels to use if anyone is using it at all.
Who can belive what the Western press says any more
Ur a fool
Overall I agree with most points, however regarding point 1:
The US would not just take a Turkish inflicted strike without at least a minor counter-attack. Trump and the US deep state would not back down from an explicit attack on their forces. After all, the US government started the second Iraq war on a much flimsier pretext. The Turkish-US relationship is already on life-support, so the US wouldn’t have too much to lose anyway.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article199874.html
EXCLUSIVE
Russian Army in Damascus
by Thierry Meyssan
Over the last four years, all commentators have underlined the impossibility for Russia to deploy ground troops against the jihadists in Syria at the risk of reliving their defeat in Afghanistan. But what is true if Moscow confronts Washington by proxy is false if the two great powers agree not only on the future of Syria, but the whole region. Thierry Meyssan was the first journalist in the world to announce the arrival of the Russian army in Syria in 2015. He is today the first to announce the deployment of its infantry.
VOLTAIRE NETWORK | DAMASCUS (SYRIA) | 1 MARCH 2018
عربي DEUTSCH ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΆ ESPAÑOL فارسى SUOMI FRANÇAIS ITALIANO NORSK PORTUGUÊS ROMÂNĂ РУССКИЙ
Vladimir Putin (President of the Russian Federation) and General Alexander Bortnikov (Director of Russian Counter-Intelligence – FSB)
Washington has decided to relegate its project for the destruction of states and societies in the Greater Middle East to second place in its preoccupations, and to concentrate its forces on opposing the Chinese project for the Silk Road. This has apparently been implemented by President Donald Trump and the Prime Minister of Australia Malcolm Turnbull (representing the British), on 24 February at the White House.
This is not just the traditional conflict between the Anglo-Saxon maritime Empire on one side and the land-based Chinese project on the other. It also concerns the potential threat that Chinese industry represents for the whole of the developed world. To put it simply, while in Antiquity, Europeans were eager to obtain Chinese silks, today, all the Western powers fear having to the compete with Chinese cars.
Since Beijing has abandoned the project of re-opening the Silk Road along its historic route through Mosul and Palmyra, the United States have nothing to gain by sponsoring jihadists to create a Caliphate straddling Iraq and Syria.
It was also on 24 February that Russia and the United States presented Resolution 2401 to the Security Council – a text which had been ready since the night before, and in which there had been no changes made, although everyone pretended to continue their bargaining.
Allegedly adopted in response to the French media campaign aimed at saving the population of the Ghouta, this Resolution deals, in reality, with a solution for almost all of Syria.
It puts on hold the question of the withdrawal of Turkish and US troops. Concerning the latter, it is not impossible that they balk at leaving the extreme North-East of the country. Indeed, if China decided to route the Silk Road through Turkey, Washington would fan the flames in order to create a Kurdistan in Kurdish territory (if we accept that South-East Anatolia is no longer Armenian territory since the genocide) and block Beijing’s way.
Moscow has moved new planes to its base in Hmeimim, including two Su-57 stealth aircraft – jewels of technology that the Pentagon imagined would not be operational before 2025.
Above all, Moscow, which until now had limited its engagement in Syria to its air force and a few Special Forces, has now secretly moved in infantry troops.
On the morning of 25 February, the Russian land army moved into East Ghouta alongside the Syrian Arab Army.
It is now impossible for anyone at all to attack Damascus, or attempt to overthrow the Syrian Arab Republic, without automatically provoking a Russian military riposte.
Saudi Arabia, France, Jordan and the United Kingdom, who had secretly formed the « Little Group » on 11 January in order to sabotage the peace conference at Sotchi, will be unable to take any further decisive action.
The gesticulations of the British and French Ministers for Foreign Affairs, Boris Johnson and Jean-Yves Le Drian, cannot disguise the new agreement between the White House and the Kremlin, nor the international legality of the Russian military presence and its military action in favour of the civilians who are prisoners of the jihadists.
They can not hope to question this agreement, as their respective countries did in July 2012, taking into account the evolution of the local and international situation.
If necessary, we will pretend not to know that the two armed factions present in East Ghouta (pro-Saudi and pro-Qatari) are run by Al-Qaïda. They will be discreetly exfiltrated. The officers of the British MI6 and the French DGSE (who are operating under cover of the NGO Médecins sans Frontières) will be repatriated.
The war has not yet ended for the whole of the territory, but it is already over for Damascus.
All foreign country should leave Syria that including the US.
” US strategy in Syria: to punish the Russians as much as possible short of an overt US attack on Russian forces”
in other words, cowardly jewing intensifies
This piece of work is written by well=informed people who adopted objectivity, interconnection of regional and international variables and above all, an overview which did not ignore any counter argument. The authors did not use a crystal ball to predict the consequential event of any move. The “Empire” sponsored think-tanks argument and predictions were looking at the present Syrian crisis as a mirror-image of the Afghanistan of 1980s. Their analysis was light years away from reality. That is why their effort to bridge fantasy and wishful thinking resulted in a bankrupt argument. This article reassured every Syrian that final defeat of terrorism and its “Imperial” perpetrators is very, very close. Big thanks to the author/s for best think I read for a long time.
LOL, it is pretty clear that the majority of people on this site are anti-american. Full disclosure I am an American. I, as an American will say this, the military action being taken by America in Syria is indeed illegal, as they were not invited by the Syrian government. I personally do not support what America is doing in Syria, nor do most of the people I know. With that being said, calling it an “American invasion” is going overboard. There are some American troops, so technically you can sue the word invasion, but come on, the Americans are mostly using proxies, just like Iran. This article makes it sound like America pulled a World War 2 D-Day and sent 1 million US troops to Syria. And the author of this post basically acts like the Americans are evil because they invaded without being invited. Meanwhile Turkey (doing the same thing) is literally invading a large region in Syria and the author acts like it is okay. So to recap, its only an awful illegal invasion if America is involved. If any other country in the world illegally invades Syria, its not a big deal.
This site has generally good content, and I honestly have no issue with anyone hating America, it doesn’t bother me. Its a free world and you can hate who you want, but this article is the worst I have ever seen on here. It is such a one sided, biased article. To prove my point, the article briefly mentions that the Syrians and Russians were killed in large numbers by the illegal Americans. Sure, the Americans are ILLEGALY there and I have ADMITTED that, but the author of the article failed to point out that the Americans and Kurds were attacked in their own positions. If someone is trying to shoot you, you are going to shoot back. Please Southfront, just write articles that are actually unbiased, and examine the war from all sides, and not just the one side that you support. Because after all, all parties involved are breaking international laws. Be better than the scum on Twitter.
Dont bother replying to my comment if you cannot talk about the war from a neutral position. If you use words like “Zionist”, if you use foul language, if you insult anyone, not just Americans, if you attack me or anyone else with your response, just font reply. I only want to talk to people who can have a normal, academic and educated discussion about this topic.