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Finnish Air Force (Military Analysis)

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Finnish Air Force (Military Analysis)

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Written by Colonel A. Nazarenko; Originally appeared at Foreign Military Review #9 2019, translated by AlexD exclusively for SouthFront

The Finnish Air Force, as the most combat-ready type of armed forces, is designed to repel aerial aggression, to provide air defence for the most important state and industrial facilities and groups of troops (forces), to provide aviation support for other types of armed forces and clans of troops, as well as to perform tasks as part of multinational air groups in international crisis resolution operations.

Finnish Air Force (Military Analysis)

Finnish Air Force emblem (L), rounding (R)

Finnish Air Force (Military Analysis)

Structure of the Finnish Air Force

The main tasks of the Finnish Air Force are:

To ensure military security:

  • protection of the country’s airspace;
  • maintaining the necessary level of combat and mobilisation readiness, as well as training units at a level that ensures timely response against aggression from the air;
  • organisation and conduct of operational and combat training.

To repel an armed attack:

  • gaining air supremacy in the conduct of military operations by the armed forces;
  • providing air defence for important military facilities, administrative and industrial centres of the country;
  • air support for ground forces and the Navy, covering them from the air;
  • conducting visual, radio and electronic intelligence:
  • airlift of personnel and cargo in the interest of the armed forces;
  • securing major air bases as well as rapid deployment of advanced airfields:
  • suppression of radio-electronic means of the enemy;
  • aviation support for search and rescue operations on the territory of the country and in the Baltic Sea.

In peacekeeping and peace restoration operations:

  • providing aviation support to national contingents engaged in international operations;
  • deployment of advanced air bases in a conflict zone;
  • delivery of humanitarian aid to the civilian population and their evacuation from the conflict zone.
Finnish Air Force (Military Analysis)

Karelia Air Command

Force Commander, who is responsible for the combat and mobilisation readiness of subordinate units and divisions, the organisation of training of flight and technical personnel, the maintenance of weapons and military equipment in combat readiness, logistics, as well as operational management of forces and means in peacetime, in a threatened period and in wartime.

In peacetime, four air bases are used to house the aircraft. If necessary, civilian airfields or specially equipped sections of highways can be used by the Air Force.

Thus, there are more than 70 airfields on the territory of the country, where regular international and regional passenger flights are carried out.

Finnish Air Force (Military Analysis)

Lapland Air Command

Fifteen replacement airfields on road sections are also equipped and maintained in readiness.

The Finnish Air Force has: a headquarters (Tikkakoski, 250km north of Helsinki), two fighter wings: Karelia Air Command (Kuoio, 400 km north-east of Helsinki) and Lapland Air Command (Rovaniemi, 700 km north of Helsinki; Satakunta Air Command – auxiliary aviation wing (Pirkkala, 160 km north-west of Helsinki); Research and Intelligence centre (Tikkakoski); Air Force Academy (Tikkakoski).

In service are: combat aircraft, about 60 units and more than 130 auxiliary aircraft. The number of personnel is about three thousand people.

Finnish Air Force (Military Analysis)

Satakunta Air Command

The fighter wing is the main tactical unit designed to provide air defences in conjunction with air defence units of the national land forces, train personnel, form an aviation reserve, maintain aircraft equipment and airfield network in combat readiness and create material reserves.

The Karjala fighter wing is responsible for the south-eastern part of Finland, while the Lapland fighter wing is responsible for the northern part (Oulu and Lapland provinces).

Each of them consists of a headquarters, a fighter-bomber aviation squadron, an air space control and flight control centre, an airfield support company, aircraft repair shops, communications technology centres and logistics.

Finnish Air Force (Military Analysis)

Air Force Academy

The fighter-bomber aviation squadron is the main tactical unit that includes two combat links and a communication link. The F/A-18C/D Hornet multi-purpose fighters are in service.

The Satakunta auxiliary aviation wing is responsible for solving military transport and intelligence tasks (transportation of personnel and cargo, mapping, communications, R&D, etc.). The light multi-purpose military transport aircraft “Learje-35A/5” are in service, as well as the tactical military transport aircraft Casa S-395M and the communication aircraft PC-12NG mmTus.

The Air Force Research and Intelligence Centre conducts a package of measures to improve flight performance and maintenance of the F/A-18C/D Hornet aircraft.

The military aviation school provides the initial training for aircrews and ground service specialist, as well as practical training for aircrews. Organisationally, it includes a training centre, a training battalion, the 41st combat training aircraft squadron, an airfield and logistics support unit, as well as an orchestra.

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Recruitment of Air Force personnel is carried out on the basis of conscription in accordance with the law on general military duty (military support units), as well as by recruiting individuals on a voluntary basis (flight technical personnel).

Recruits are called up twice a year. As a rule, the term of military service in the Air Force is up to one year.

The pilot training system consists of four stages.

During the first stage, conscripts serve 12 months on a Valmet L-70 Vinka training aircraft.

The second stage – admission to the military aviation school, the study term is three years. In the first year, the flight time of the cadet should be up to 60 hours on the Valmet L-70 Vinka aircraft.

As part of the third stage (second and third year of study) flight training continues on the combat-capable trainer “Hawk”.

During the fourth stage, there is a division into combat units, where pilots continue training on Hawk aircraft during the year. Following its results, military pilots may be appointed as both fighter pilots or auxiliary pilots.

Operational and combat training of the Finnish Air Force is aimed at improving the coherence of management bodies, units and division, improving the professional skills of the Air Force personnel taking into account the challenges and threats, guaranteed fulfillment of tasks to ensure the military security of Finland, new trends in the nature of armed struggle, as well as ways of action and operational purposes of groups of troops.

The main focus in the course of comprehensive years but tactical training, inspections of combat readiness of units and the day to day combat training activities is devoted to the development of mobilisation deployment and combat use of units in accordance with the views of the military and political leadership of the country to possible threats to national security and ways of waging war in modern conditions.

As part of the reform of the Finnish Armed Forces, an important area is the modernisation of aviation equipment, as well as the adoption of new weapons of destruction. So, by the end of 2019, it is planned to complete the modernisation of the Hawk MK51/MD51A at the Finnish plants of the “Patria” concern in order to extend their service life.

At the same time, the F/A-18C/D Hornet fighters will be modified to use the purchased AGM-158 JASSM air-to-ground missiles, which will allow the use of weapons against ground targets at a range of up to 370 km.

In addition, the Finnish Ministry of Defence intends to replace the F/A-18C/D Hornet fighters in 2025-2030. Respective requests for tactical, technical, operational and cost characteristics of the Typhoon, F-35 Lightning, F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (USA), Rafale (France) and the Jas-39 Grippen (Sweden) were sent to BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Dassault Aviation and Saab.

The country’s leadership plans to organise a tender this year and sign a contract in 2021. New aircraft are expected to arrive in 2023. Its initial operational readiness is expected to be reached in 2027, and fully by 2030.

In total, Finland will buy up to 60 aircraft with a total cost of about 10 billion euros. The most likely choice is the American fifth-generation tactical fighter F-35, which, according to Finnish experts, meets more the requirements of versatility and is able to meet the level of development of aviation technology for the period up to 2060.

In general, the Finnish Air Force is a modern, well-equipped, trained and staffed type of Armed Forces that has sufficient combat potential to ensure national security. In the near future, with the adoption of new weapons of aviation destruction, modernisation and updating the aircraft fleet of fighters, the Air Force’s capabilities will increase significantly. At the same time, the implementation of the Finnish army reform plans demonstrates Helsinki’s desire to bring the weapons, military and special equipment of the national Air Force in line with NATO standards.

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Nosferatu

Are they really using svastika in their symbols? LOL

Aimo Huikka

Yes. Indeed it does not have anything to do with nazis. It was Finnish aiforce symbol from the begin and was removed from aeroplanes after WWII. It was German noble which symbol it was who gave us our first combat planes in the begining of our independence just after 1917 and our airforce was created. As you may observe, the swastika is drawn in different angle and is coloured differently. We were allied with nazis during WWII because no other alliances were possible at that time. However, this symbol of finnish aiforce has nothing to do with nazis.

Z.P.

You were allied with nazis during WWII because your “swastika is drawn in different angle and is colored differently”

dontlietome

What’s your point, apart from misquoting ??????

Z.P.

My point is that I was IRONIC by “misquoting” him. Simply because I do not buy his explanation; “We were allied with nazis during WWII because no other alliances were possible at that time” Finland didn’t have any obligation to have alliance with NAZI Germany or anybody else. They could have stayed neutral and face destiny like decent country of small importance.

dontlietome

……………then go read a history book. But from my distant memories, I believe he is factually correct. Besides what reason does he have to lie ? If he does that, he’ll get found out soon enough.

Z.P.

Which ” history book“? The one that tries to explain that Stalin was aggressor who started WW2, maybe? Many strange books are written these days.. I don’t care what you “believe” “what reason does he have to lie ?” He is from FINLAND that’s his reason to lie! Things have changed lot lately but it is still not popular to shout that one is NAZI. That’s why. Why did they bring back Swastika in the first place?! It is not their symbol but Indian (and adopted NAZI) and I do not see India using it officially

dontlietome

Mmmmmm, so you think the Finns would attack Soviet Russia ????? So someone was the aggressor, and if wasn’t the Finns……….. I couldn’t give a flying fuck if the Finns continue to use the Swastika or not. Good luck to them if they do, its a poke in the japs-eye of the P.C. crowd. Besides, what is a “NAZI” apart from an overused Hollywood expression. The continued use shows the user as dumb as the Hollywood shysters.

Z.P.

“so you think the Finns would attack Soviet Russia” And WHERE did I say that?!? I have said that they wanted to to chose opposite side and choosing NAZI’s was not coincidence and not for sure because: ” no other alliances were possible”

So why would I care about your”flying fuck”?!! What kind of argument is that?!? I don’t give “flying fuck” about what you give “flying fuck” about ! You personals preferences DO NOT interest me at all ! Go talk about “Hollywood expression” to your average Anglo-Saxon.

To hear another fashionable revisionist theory of NAZI movement does not interest me ! So try to find another victim for that pearl of your “wisdom”.

Aimo Huikka

As I wrote few minutes ago. Technically speaking we attacked to Soviet union with Germany during continuous war. I also explained why. If you ignore these facts that Stalin did wanted parts of Finland you really are writing your own history. In 1939 we looked very easy target for Stalin. However, winter 39-40 was extremely hard. Very cold and there was a lot of snow. Soviets didn’t send their best regiments against us and they made a huge mistake. They didn’t send fighters which could deal the weather efectively which allowed us to cause them heavy casualties. At the end early 1940 Stalin got what he needed most, parts of Karelia, which were located in the vicinity of St. Petersburg and nickel mine from Petsamo, but not the whole country. Our luck was that Finland was not strategically intresting and imminent threat of war with Germany was more important than crappy Finland where lived very nasty and hostile nation as winter war thaught to him. When Germany attacked to soviet, we also saw opportunity to claim our land back. Some crazies dreamed even about expanding Finland to Ural, but there is always crazy people everywhere. Finnish Marshall Mannerheim was served in Russian military during Emperor time and NEVER allowed to block ice road to St Petersburg, which kept people alive during nazi encirclement, even germans demanded it, and it was technically possible in the early days of continuous war.

You are probaply youngster, because your world is so black and white. At the age of 43, I can tell you, that the world is gray. There is no evil, no good. Things just are.

Z.P.

Your “parts of Finland” were ex-parts of Russia actually. Your so called “independence” you can thank only to those commie bastrads from whom you have ripped of “your” territory. Actually I do not see why they were not entitled to see that as their territory, since it was part of Russia? So who is ” ignoring what facts” it can be discussed…. You only talk the “facts” that suite your NARROW interests and it is PAIN IN THE ARSE talking to you! I do not need Finnish BOLLOCKS history lessons from you or anybody else! Be honest speak truth or if you don’t want than BACK OFF and leave me alone! Your Finnish rubbish version of history makes me puke. I have no respect for ex-NAZI country like Finland. I never had and never will have! I DO NOT GIVE FUCK ABOUT SOVIET-FINNISH WAR ! It’s pity you didn’t go to take even more of USSR to the “Ural” because Soviets would walk all over you as well ! If NATO ever attacks Russia I sincerely hope that Russians will have enough wisdom to nuke Finland as well…

Kananda

not ex-parts of russia, but occupied colony!

Z.P.

If one only can pile up motherfuckers like you and keep clubbing you to death till last one of you is turned into mashed potatoes without using nukes that would be good thing… So no clubbing is better than nukes the problem is to pile up excrement’s like you…

Bobo Voxar

moronic statement..

Aimo Huikka

As I explained earlier, the Karelia is culturally and linquastically finn. One of the most famous national epics after Ilia and Odussey is Kalevala. Poems collected from Karelia by Elias Lönrot at the middle of the 19th century during the time when we belonged to Russian empire after Sweden lost war of Finland 1809. Those tales are hundreds or ven thousands of years old, and were spoken in finnish. Before that era Karelia belonged for Sweden and for Russia alternately. After all, we were always the part who takes the punches when big boys were fighting. Finland, as we know it today was also divided between Russia and Sweden depending on geopolitical situation during centuries after middle age ca. 1000 A.D to present days. Still, in these areas only finnish people and saami at north are lived. Even today there is only 4% of swedish speaking people after nearly 1000 year occupation:) Well, whom you think this land belongs? I hope you answer with arguments, not with: F*ck, f*ck & f*cking f*ck, NAZI

Z.P.

As I have explained from Stalin’s perspective before WW2 that was part of USSR taken from USSR by capitalists end of story ! So from strictly Finland point of view he was aggressor but it is NOT really so straight forward as you always try to present it! The ONLY reason you had “independence” is because of WW1 and staged so called “Revolution”. If there was no WW1 you would never be “independent”. Russia is the biggest world champion of all times in how many NEVER EXISTING countries is created out of her-Finland included! And many of you NEVER existing before have very big mouths and are too aggressive in proportion of your size for that to be forgotten. Baltic’s specially. Time is now to stabilize Russia and to revers some of that US-Western induced negative process ! Time for insignificant countries like Finland is to SHUT THE FUCK UP already because this is not your favorite 1999. Today is situation about to radically change into for you WRONG direction. So all o you can continue to to piss off Russia but the pay day will come. As for your comments I had enough of that crap. So respectfully for the last time BACK OFF with your Finland history ! NOBODY is ever interested in that crap !

Do NOT write to me anymore of your rubbish because I had enough of that crap.

Aimo Huikka

Childrens, they use to sing loud!

Aimo Huikka

When the truth hurts most.:) I’m still waiting your arguments for whom this land belongs? Ivana or Pekka? I bet Pekka.

Z.P.

In Baltic’s they treat Russians like shit and deny their basic rights for no reason. They are aggressive and treacherous and everything they do is hostile towards Russia. If you think that acting like that will continue forever without ever being asked for payback you are dead wrong. You all had your five minutes of fun during collapse of USSR and even worse collapse of Russia . But things have changed and your five minutes of fun are about to expire. And your protectors are growing weaker. And this is only the beginning…. of bad news for you. On by one Russia will resolve all her problems. First Ukraine.

Mattias Dahlström

Stop being such a douche. The Karelians harmed no one and just wanted to continue living on their farms and when armed men come to take their farms I will fight for them and with them.

Z.P.

What are you Swede? Of course you will I have no doubt about that. Historically you see Russians as enemy. Nobody is bothering your a**holes from Finland as long as they correct. I wish I can say the same for Baltic’s.

Kananda

the problem with you, russians is, that YOU see other nation as enemy (also you write in this way). Subsequently you think, that other nations look at russians as enemy.

but this is not true. for most of people russians are neutral, lot of people like russians and only little part of people hate russians. russians are not welcomed usually in countries, which were occupied by russia(ussr).

so it is.

Zarathustra

Or the empire before that, though I disagree with Russians not being welcomed into former Soviet countries. There is certainly some anti-Russian sentiment in those countries, but not in Armenia or Belarus, etc. The anti-Russian sentiment is more widespread in Ukraine and the Baltic countries.

Kananda

So, where are anti-russian sentiments: estonia, latvia, lithuania, moldavia, ukraine, georgia, azerbajdjan, tadjikistan, uzbekistan, kyrgizia.

with belarus and kazakhstan got less warm. anly armenia is friendly. what is nothing.

Zarathustra

Start using your brain, or are you just a retard?

Zarathustra

Most mediocre plebs such as yourself are shallow and herd-like. If people were better than that, there wouldn’t be any misanthropy. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0935810a2675da79ade3c80dbd23844bbfab79c5418f6be41fe9e34da85abbd0.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9063bf89ad696ad52e3b977fe0cd9b4a2abbd5d0fa63f12da8ad2b2d5aaf2021.png

Bobo Voxar

remember… Russians never defeated swedes in Sweden(they never fought on swedish soil-except sea).. they always lost on russian soil… REMEMBER,… do not step on russian soil – ..and i will be very happy when a can say that slavic soil – slavs unite !

Aimo Huikka

Didn’t I explained clearly enough earlier. The Karelia was finnish territory culturally and linguistically. Russkies are imported there. Please, cut the crap already. Obviously your knowledge of history or any other subjects is quite poor and civilized disqussion with you guys including ZP is somehow boring. I’m not going to argue with idiots, cause I’m losing this kind of debat. The reason is, unlike you I’m notexpert in idiotism

Bobo Voxar

do not attack me… history is about facts… what was wrong on explanations?.. politics does not include any nation… 1917- tzar announced and Lenin did Finnland a state… what is interesting against your will … Global Predictor did it as a experiment how you can deal with it… when something isnt clear let me know… west needs finns as a bridge (direction) to attack Russia…as much directions this much problems for Russia… what is your stand toward russians?…

Z.P.

You are just ordinary Finn twat who white washes your NAZI past and has pretensions on Russian territory before Russia walks allover you and this time for good.

goingbrokes

Your “only reason you have independence” is shaky logic. You could say to the Americans that the only reason they have independence is because the French navy. Or the only reason israel has independence is because of the Balfour declaration. Etc, etc. ad infinitum. It doesn’t mean much at all.

Z.P.

I don’t know much about US independence to answer to that. If you can give me any other example I would be grateful. To remind you immediately (if I am not wrong ) US before their independence was colony so separate entity, while Finland was integral part of Russia. And Americans were fighting against their colonial masters for long years. I am not denying right to Finland to has acquired independence I am only stating the fact that their independence is only product of circumstances and nothing else. And today many of those newly created countries like Baltic’s and Ukraine regime are hostile towards Russia and ethnic Russians. All that because of the direct US support!

No other country in the history of this planet had so much newly created countries out of her own territory as Russia has. Yet US and West doesn’t stop to label Russia as an aggressor and oppressor despite the obvious that only global aggressor are US – NATO. Despite the facts that ethnic Russians are oppressed in many of those countries and neo-NAZI or Islamic extremist movement is supported against Russia. Just like any other animosity. And they would like to see Russia destroyed but they are dead wrong about their plans

Zarathustra

Do you have any idea how over-represented Jews are throughout Europe, South Africa, Oceania, and both American continents? And they have a pretty large influence all throughout Asia too.

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Zarathustra

As for downvoting my comment about swastikas:

Oldest known Swastika found in Ukraine back in 1908, carbon-dated to 10,000-13,000 BCE: bitchute[]com/video/tSYgfMrw01LT/

7,000-Year-Old Swastika Pottery discovered in Bulgaria: atlanteangardens[]blogspot[]com/2014/04/7000-year-old-swastika-pottery[]html

Archaeologist Discovers 8,000-Year-Old Nephrite ‘Frog-like’ Swastika in Slatina Neolithic Settlement in Bulgaria’s Capital Sofia: archaeologyinbulgaria[]com/2015/12/07/archaeologist-discovers-8000-year-old-nephrite-frog-like-swastika-in-slatina-neolithic-settlement-in-bulgarias-capital-sofia/

Swastikas are cross-cultural: youtube[]com/watch?v=vzEGln1-V_U

I’ve already shown you plenty of evidence to backup my points, unfortunately you don’t seem curious (or intelligent) enough to look into it. Curiosity IS a sign of intelligence by the way.

The Yamnaya (proto-Indo Europeans of the Pontic-Eurasian Steppe) were the first to domesticate horse and invented the wheel 5600 years ago and invaded much of Europe and Asia not long after: youtu[]be/s_OFqGuLc7s?t=845

The Danube valley settlement (5,000-3,500 BCE) employed the oldest known use of metallurgy: Danube Valley Settlement, 5000-3500 BC: vimeo[]com/103043273

Ljubljana Marshes Wheel (Slovenia, 5,200 years old): youtube[]com/watch?v=CnLKYfDCZFU

Roman Descriptions of European “Barbarians”: bitchute[]com/video/W0B0udWLyo5W/

— Includes descriptions of what the Alani, Scythians, and Sarmatians looked like.

‘Alani’ is an Iranic dialectal term meaning ‘Aryan’.

Blond Mummies, Tocharians and Indo-Europeans of China: youtube[]com/watch?v=OB8eeVd7R_M

Ancient Eurasian Mummies and Pyramids: youtu[]be/Q0IYmJj9_7s?t=170

An unverified claim made about Genghis Khan’s hair and eye colour came from Persian chronicler Rashid al-Din in the 14th century A.D.

The eyes on some Sumerian statues are painted blue: youtu[]be/j2mYICamx6w?t=409

Anthropology, Ancient History, and Spirituality – ROBERT SEPEHR: youtube[]com/watch?v=YKLygT3H9oI

Atlantean Gardens: youtube[]com/channel/UC0gkKMGpCgyun7OoEOseryg/videos

A handful of artifacts from ancient Egypt:

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Bobo Voxar

area around Leningrad(St.Petersburg) was for Stalin the STRATEGIG AREA…2nd biggest town 10kilometers from “hostile”border.. he wanted swap some areas with Finnland and it was rejected… historical fact

Z.P.

I didn’t know that. Well you obviously know more, probably much more than I do, on the subject. I just know enough not to buy false history lessons from Finland. They got their country out of collapse of Russian Empire now they want even more. They are not wise with their ambition to kick the bear in the bo**ocks. Because Russia can shred them into peaces one day.

Bobo Voxar

must correct you.. finns are happy with this borders… only libtards are settting political calls in favour of their deep state and zion masters

Z.P.

OK thanks! I am happy to hear that. I definitely am not here to beat the war drums if there are no true territorial pretensions and is only related to extremist or pro US minority!

Zarathustra

Facts don’t care about people’s feelings. They seem to care very about the Soviet Union doing many of the things they believe the “Nazis” did to them and others (the third picture attachment below).

For instance, the Katyn forest massacre in 1939 was blamed on Germany (accused by the Soviets of doing so in the early-mid 1940s) as indicated by leaked documents from the KGB archives, it’s also easy to pin the blame on “Nazi” Germany for similar extrajudicial killings carried out by the NKVD in the 1930s. The Soviet Union had extermination camps, and yet everyone’s taught to only care about the fictitious six million jews who didn’t die in any German concentration camp. They were used for cheap labour, which the governments of the Soviet Union and western “allies” were also guilty of.

Unfortunately we live in a world where might makes right; it isn’t morally right, but those who are regarded as “right” write history to their liking.

“Hence it comes about that all armed Prophets have been victorious, and all unarmed Prophets have been destroyed.” – Niccolo Machiavelli

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Kananda

kalevala is nice. i have it in may private library.

Selbstdenker

You don’t need to try to educate an idiot. Let the idiot be an idiot.

Kananda

nice words!

Aimo Huikka

Well. Lets cut the crap. 30.11.1939 soviet artillery shot faumous shots of Mainila on their own positions to make an excuse to start winter war against Finland. This event was preceded by demand that Finland should cede parts of Karelia to Soviet Union. Finland rejected these claims. (Karelia was tightly culturally and linquistically purely finnish area. Has been thousands of years. Nowdays russian is naturally most spoken language, but there is still minority speaking also finnish. Our second or third largest city Vyborg was also located there. My grandpa was born and lived on the island of Mants, part of village Sortavala (known better of famous monastery Valaam) which is located on the lake Ladoga.) The winter war was started and lasted appr. 100 days. We could not hold the positions although we were not occupied either. We lost part of Karellia (Including Sortavala). During coming year it was evident that Soviets had plans also to occupy Aland and some other areas from Finland. Finland was also made the deal with Germany which allowed troop transportation through Finland. But no other obligations were signed.

Maybe You don’t understand dire situation. We were 3 million people thirld world country at the time. Very poor and unprepared to war. And lost part of our country. Now there was again imminent threat of war and nothing except surrending or fighting would save us! Well, with aid of Germany we started to claim our land back, which was, or was not, a mistake. It is simply silly and shows very little understanding, immaturity and arrogance to call us natzis.

Aimo Huikka

Unlike pussies in Estonia, Poland, Chezz, France, Denmark, etc we didn’t lost our independence. We paid heavy price in blood as we have been doing 1000 years under Sweden and Russia. This time we made it for ourselves.

Z.P.

You preserved your “independence” through being NAZI bitches …. I prefer thousand times Czechs, Danes or specially Greeks (with the balls of steel) to bunch of NAZI stooges, cowards like you! And since you were NAZI’s yourself you had NO RIGHT to use that symbol ever again !! But since you are still using it, it just shows that you are itching to be hard f**ked one day! Do not cry when it happens!

Kananda

boy, shut up! in the little suomi is REAL democracy, long life expactance, high living standards, no loigarchs, no thieves in the government. You should learn form them.

Bobo Voxar

you are wrong… swastika is old ancient symbol of wealth, happineness, and luck … so half of India,Thailand which using this symbol these days are nazis?… no, Nazis just abused this thousands year old symbol for 20y …Finns ,even all nordic,slavic,turkic nations have nothing to do with this

Z.P.

I do not know maybe I have problem expressing myself. I have no problem when India and Asian countries using it at all. My problem starts when EX-NAZI country like Finland is using it again ! Since they have compromised that symbol themselves. WHY don’t they use some other symbol proper their culture instead of using their old NAZI symbol?!? The fact that they use again NAZI symbol and that US & EU stooges close their eyes on that fact speaks volumes! That leaves open door for Germany to use it again ! And for full revisionism, and possibility of reestablishing NAZI’s in positions of power What if all ex-NAZI countries and ex-fascist Italy take out their old symbols now? That would be dramatic change and and immediate WW3.

Bobo Voxar

Finnland was no nazi in german way … they was forced and missinterpreted as nazis … Hitler was there just once and his needs was rejected … Manerheim knew what going on… handshake on airport was only honor given to nazis but politically abused by Stalin , because it felt down in his cards right there in right time… btw Manerheim have statue in St.Petersburgh … end of the war was safe from finns.. as neutral nation … Karelia was revenge for prior offer to swap teritories from russians in favour strategic land for St.Petersburg safety … this is fate of small nations … btw 5 mio finns can stant this big country against anybody except russians?.. no.. this is politics …

Aimo ..you know better what is a problem with Karelia … russian blood saved this land … each nation have his problems ..solved or unsolved …

Selbstdenker

Because a symbol makes ww3? You are a complete moron. My god!

Bobo Voxar

ww3 will be started under signs.. remember… only thing which unite ppl… dump ppl… politicians are under ONE sign…

Z.P.

I do not think you understand the significance….The impact of public official revival, restitution of old NAZI symbol in Finland and possibly elsewhere (if in Finland already why not elsewhere also?) on minds of the people in Europe.

Bobo Voxar

no I am slovak… polish gov are US bitches … symbols are strong everywhere.. something ancient with significance of good energy,man power (turned as nazi swastika) or harmonic flow of time(turned opposite way)- google for “obereg”, abused with something called by you or public media as NAZI sign means what?… read my previous post and somehow think different as mainstream will you to think …

Selbstdenker

Maybe it is because of your missing intellectual capability, that you are not able to follow the simplest argumentation chain? Are you able to pee standing, or do you need to sit down?

Z.P.

What I say is exactly opposite! It is only India’s cultural heritage and it was STOLEN! It is cultural appropriation by NAZI charlatans.

YES exactly “Nazis just abused this thousands year old symbol” therefore it can NOT be used by ex-NAZI countries like Finland I agree that Finns “have nothing to do with this” and I would add that they have NO RIGHTS at all to use it before. And have no rights to use it now since it is their ex-NAZI symbol ! Finns Waffen SS troops have fought under the same symbol against USSR and NAZI-Finland was allied with NAZI Germany under the same symbol! It is not their or German symbol and they have no right to use it without approval of India. And they have no right to use it also, for its negative connotation of Finland’s NAZI past.

Bobo Voxar

no..swastika have more forms… was widely used by nations from Kamtchatka to Norway including CHINA ,INDIA ..it is universal symbol of North hemisphere.. nearly 4 thousand years as VEDAs picturing of universum… clockwise it shows harmony of time flow ..anticlockwise it awaikening mens power, succes in fight, …

Z.P.

OK I didn’t know that, thanks. I know that NAZI’s have supported expedition of some German archaeologist to India to find “roots of “Arian” race and develop more their “racial purity” theory. I have believed that they were introduced to Swastika, related to that expedition. Still that changes nothing in substance for the countries that have used that symbol during WW3 And that doesn’t go only for Austria and Germany but also for Finland. If not any country can take out their old NAZI symbols and start NAZI parades and try to revive some of that “good old” NAZI fighting spirit and get some NAZI borders back as well….

Tommy Jensen

Accepted.

Z.P.

What is that has to do with your excuse: “because no other alliances were possible at that time”? OK lets cut your crap! You should have said from the start that you had grudge against USSR And that was major motive to become NAZI stooges. See! It is not so difficult to say…it’s just the words!

Kananda

yuhooo, also the brezhnev commies were not so stupid and agressive like you :DDDD

Z.P.

Times have changed those were not Russians but Soviets. Russian Empire will be back and will again be huge like it was before. Some of your motherfuckers think Russia is not USSR but I am personally convinced that Russia will become Empire again and Russian boots will walk all over you once again.

Kananda

still same menthality

Jake321

You try that and Russia will glow in the dark as will most of the rest of the world.

Z.P.

So you say with your big Anglo-Saxon mouth and who cares! You don’t even scare Iran let alone Russia ! See map of Russia before WW1 and that staged commie “revolution”! No other country has been ripped of for her own territory so much! Yet you NATO aggressors and criminals never stop labeling Russia as “aggressor”despite the fact that Russia was never smaller in 100 years!

Bobo Voxar

Finnland is anglo-sion project announced by last russian tzar and realised by Lenin …

Z.P.

Thanks I didn’t know that. To be honest my history knowledge on Nordic countries is very basic.

Selbstdenker

I would say you highly exaggerate about your knowledge. Moron.

Kananda

They were neutral, but papa Stalin attacked them. Do you remember? :P

Z.P.

No they couldn’t possibly be neutral since that was integral part of Russia till 1917. So there was nothing “neutral” in that fact. Why don’t you go f***k you mother the way you usually do instead of bothering me you filthy NATO son of whore?

Kananda

they were occupied by russia

each nation has right to have own land.

also chechens, komis, tatars, yakuts, etc.

Z.P.

we will see about that NATO son of whore…come on do try to start something…make my day you human diarrhea

Kananda

look, nato does not need do anything. the time is the greatist enemy of russia. look at demography, life standard, emmigrations, climatic changes. you are sinking….

Z.P.

Demography? Yes at least 2 million has moved to Russia for work and took Russian citizenship! Not to count all other who went to work to Russia and all ex-USSR emigrants from Central Asia

Kananda

The demography from 2015 again has red numbers. The population declines, the %-s of moslems rises. Wgere is the largest moshee in Europe? In your capital.

the ex-ussr russian emmigrants do not come since 2014. because almost all of them is already in russia. the other side of this coin is, as less russians inexussr countries, as less firends of russia,as less of influence of russia. you can see this in kazakhstan. they decline azbuka, will use latin letters. The next generation will not be able to read russian texts. new wall between these 2 countries. I wrote exactly 2 generations and russia wil finish in todays sence.

Bobo Voxar

russia is federation… and parcelate Russia is anglozio plan for centuries…

Kananda

i am not speaker for western countries. i speak in favour of conquered nations.

Z.P.

You are Ukrainian from Western Ukraine and anti Russian bigot.

Kananda

No. :) In ukrainian-russian conflict i am on russian side. But putin was the stupid guy again. Americans would keep the friendly president in power with all forces. Putin is coward.

Bobo Voxar

you ate quote history writen by who?… ask first yourself

Kananda

i learned this from russian history book. in the school. :))

Bobo Voxar

which year it was?

Kananda

during socialism. and in that time was very big russiancentrism.

Bobo Voxar

nu shto..ty odno iz navalnyat ? ty slizhkom staryj

Phoron

Writing NAZI is ALLCAPS and with an improper possessive apostrophe is boilerplate commiefag lexicon

Z.P.

For you grammar Nazi, my comments will never be OK so spare me!

Selbstdenker

Ignorance and absence of knowledge does not excuse the stupidity of your post.

Zarathustra

You didn’t seem to care when I brought it up. So you hate the fact that Finland was allied with Germany during the Second World War, and yet you don’t seem to care about the Soviet Union attacking Finland and annexing a part of their territory before they joined up with Germany to reacquire land stolen from them in the first place. They did their part in attempting to pacify the sombre Communist threat.

Stalin’s Preparations For An Offensive War:

https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/01/20/stalins-preparations-for-an-offensive-war-in-the-summer-of-1941-to-make-europe-a-soviet-communist-continent/#_edn14

How is an excess of 22,600 tanks and more than 10,000 aircraft, most of it was deployed in the space running between the German-Soviet border to Moscow. How in any way is that not excessive and unnecessary? It’s evident this was more than adequate to secure national defence, when Germany only had less than 8,000 armoured vehicles built on panzer chassis’ by June 22, 1941.

A little more than 4,000 tanks from Germany, Finland, Hungary, and Romania took part in offensive operations against the Soviet Union that year in the face of several thousands more Soviet tanks and aircraft compared to less than a few thousand on the side of the attacking force that beat the Soviet Union to the punch. Even though they suffered plenty of logistical problems, not enough fuel for all their tanks and aircraft that suffered from many mechanical breakdowns, many of these problems could have been corrected in a couple of years and they would have been ready to invade in 1942 or 1943.

The trial and execution of Mikhail Tukhachevsky and many other members of the Soviet general staff, the abolition of the Deep Battle operations doctrine he devised, and the inflexibility in STAVKA and the Soviet chain of command arguably had done more to ensure the Wehrmacht a multitude of stunning victories in 1941, than the Wehrmacht’s own level of competence.

Why not consult an author whose looked into government archives? The same archives that revealed that the the Katyn forest massacre was engineered by the NKVD and not by the Einsatzgruppen.

On May 5, 1941, Stalin made it clear to his generals that the Soviet Union would be the aggressor in a war with Germany. At a banquet a Soviet general toasted Stalin’s peaceful foreign policy. Stalin intervened:

“Allow me to make a correction. A peaceful foreign policy secured peace in our country. A peaceful foreign policy is a good thing. For a while, we drew a line of defenses until we rearmed our army [and] supplied it with modern means of combat. Now, when our army has been rebuilt, our technology modernized, [now that we are] strong [enough] for combat, now we must shift from defense to offense. In conducting the defense of our country, we are compelled to act in an aggressive manner. From defense we have to shift to a military policy of offense. It is indispensable that we reform our training, our propaganda, our press to a mindset of offense. The Red Army is a modern army, and the modern army is an army of offense.”

— “The Chief Culprit” by Viktor Suvorov. Ibid., p. 205.

Zarathustra

Where were the oldest known swastikas found? The symbol was known throughout ancient Europe. The reason for demonizing the swastika in is contrived, why throw away an ancient symbol just because of a war? People should try reading more, instead of never questioning what they are told.

Nosferatu

i know nazis did not invent it. I was just shocked that finnish airforce is using it ….

Zarathustra

I wasn’t saying they invented it, the symbol first originated in Europe and migrated southwards from there. There is no legitimate reason to ban it, except for the stupid reasons given by the victors who continue to spread lies about that conflict and other subjects to cover their tracks.

Z.P.

You just up voted NAZI “Zarathustra”and his totally insane claim that Swastika is not Indian VERY OLD “cultural heritage” but has “originated” from Europe.

Nosferatu

I guess i just did not want to continue in discussion so i voted him up. But you might be right.

hvaiallverden

Yeah, you found the swastica, clap, clap, clap, and that do what, apart from more drivel from so called Russians, huh, to what, show the morons that the winter war was just, because Stalin was an nice old man and never did anything, and the Finns where Nazis. DO YOU; ruski really want an war of words, do you, and I am in no hurry, first I lett you drunkard drool along the idiot line, and trying to hide the rethoric and divert the attentions, just by showing us the swastica, “smart” and why dont you show us images from Tibet once we are at it, maybe because you dont know that the Tibets Buddist where infact Nazis, yeah, 2500 years of NaziBuddistas, nothing surprices me anymore, if I follow this articles “briliant” exposing.

Yeah, why am I not surpriced, Ruskies are brainwashed to an extent where the only people whom is de facto more brainwashed is the Yankikes, you are lying f….. scums and I look forward to the fight, Ruskie, and I agrees with the Ukrainians and Polaks for once, Russia is and was the problem, Russia started ww2 with the Brits/Yankikes, and Putin is already showing what this Leningrad sewage rat have his legion to, the same scums that slaughtered Russians, but hey, cant talk about that, right, Ruskie. Like the reason for the winter war, when Stalin bombed an vilage in Karelien and blamed that on “finnish uh….. nazis” and attacked Finnland, in the south and in Kola, where I am from, Little Moscow/Petsamo, but I know you have no bloody idea of what I talk about, so ask Putin, they know I am not lying. And yet we get this, Stalin was an saint, yeah, it took 40 years, before YOU admitted Katyn, huh, 22 000 Polish officers and inteligencia, before ww2 when you claim nothing was happening got wacked, by NKVD, since the Cossacks refused and there you have the reason for what happened after ww2 with the Cossak people.

What else do you lie about Ruskies. Just look at Putins spitt liking ISISraeli Boots, huh, how low is it possible to go, and on top of it, been what, Russian.

Sorry, SF this kind of articles isnt an misstake, dont ever underestemate the deepth of the lies coming from the Ruskie brigade of revisionistas and “hasbaRats” witch are crawling all over the net this days, and this rats article is an open decleration of war. And I know one thing, Ruskie, you will loose. May you rats rott in hell.

peace

Issam

I don’t get it, why are you so mad? to me, this article looks like it’s complimenting the Finnish military. Am i missing something here ?

Damien C

So glad they’re buying the F35 they’re obviously very concerned for the envoironment and wish to reduce their airforces carbon footprint …. Good choice guys because these F35 hangar-bums rarely fly and when they do manage a few hours up they need a three day rest

Pavel Pavlovich

And become quite visible when doing something besides just silently cruising in the skies.

Jake321

I think the Finnish military who beat your Ruski friends know a wee bit more about these things than a coach pillow like you.

Rhodium 10

Sure!.. like Japan…but both lost the double K… Karelia and Kuriles…

cechas vodobenikov

ignore jackie–a poorly paid CIA troll, clouded w marijuana and obese from donuts

Aquilegia

F-35 is designed as a beyond-the-horizon fighter, unfit for dogfights and relying on a network of sensor provided data.

The assumed opponent is very close to Finnish air bases. The F-35s would have to dogfight in the most likely assumed scenario. They would be wise to buy either Rafael or Eurofighter, which both have superior flight, acceleration and handling charasteristics and are actually usable and maintainable fighter jets.

Of course the best scenario would be to buy Russian jets but unfortunately due to pre-decided political reasons it won’t happen.

Jake321

What’s the problem? This Kremlin linked site seems to love all things Nazi. Almost as much as it’s twin, Russia Insider, which declares itself the Russian Daily Stormer. Most of its posting aficionados are of a neo-Nazi bent or are Putz Putin the Poisoner Trolls playing like Nazis for their Vodka ration. But still, silly for the Finns to keep using this even in a minor way even though it has no more connection to the Nazi Swastika than the thousands of year old Buddhist one.

Z.P.

It is US pig like you who is in charge of “Russian Insider”. And he is as much “Russian” as American pie

Robert Ferrin

Hmm the trolls is not having a very good day today,his supervisor isn’t going to be very pleases with his performance.!!!

Z.P.

The only possible reason to talk about “The Finnish Air Force” (since nobody really cares about that subject) is to show NAZI symbol. “Birds of feather flock together.” SF is turning into 2nd “Russia Insider”. This will only attract even more supporters on neo-NAZI Ukraine, NATO and similar scum.

rider650

Dude – the US is totally controlled by Jews (as is today`s Ukraine). And their largest fear still is an alliance between Germany and Russia, the two peoples they hate and fear the most. Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds to think the US promotes some form of national socialism? They do tolerate some clowns in Ukraine that use national socialist symbols, but only because they`re small potatoes and do their bidding.. And what kind of WWII revisionism are you talking about? Are you talking about adding another million dead Jews to Germany`s tally every once in a while? Because that`s the only revisionism I can see being done by the Anglo-Zionists.

Z.P.

You are very ill informed person. Read about not only “Paperclip” but also Allen Dulles CIA director and his brother and what did they do for NAZI’s in US and Germany. Huge number of NAZI’s (SS, Gestapo) have ended up in CIA and German Secret Service and NATO immediately with the start of the Cold War under the cover up slogan of (“Fight against Communism”) US was always much closer to NAZI’s (before, during and after the War) than it was ever presented in MSM. NATO deeply infiltrated by NAZI’s has created close cooperation with European neo-NAZI’s in operation “Gladio” (again in the fight against communism) Those are the early days of what is called today DEEP STATE ! Those are the people who killed JFK, ML King and who did 9/11 with help of Mossad and Saudi money and Chaney and other neocon gangsters. If the US is “totally controlled by Jews ” and if Ukraine is also “totally controlled by Jews ” how come that neo-NAZI’s dictate rules of the game even now when Jew was elected with 70% of vote to MAKE PEACE ! And NAZI’s did not let him to do that! How the fuck they are “in charge”? “In charge” of what! Of nothing!

“Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds to think the US promotes” To the average brainwashed American like you it probably does sound like that. But I am not here to please you “They do tolerate some clowns in Ukraine ” You totally underestimate influence and power of those people specially because they have direct support of the “DeepState” who wants war with Russia in Ukraine. And only those people can deliver them the war so they are supported and PROTECTED more than white bears by “DeepState”. In Ukraine NOTHING of bigger importance can be decided without agreement from NAZI’s. Since you can NOT read even though I have explained it clearly… I will say it for the last time;

I am talking about revisionism in exchanging places and depicting USSR as main reason for starting of the WW2 while WHITE WASHING the NAZI German past with clear objective to designate ONLY Soviets as major culprit of WW2 and through them ACCUSE Russians to be the NAZI like nation. In short switch role of guilty from NAZI Germans to Russians in general. I do not count on American perspicacity and capability of foresight.

I write about future before it happens as Chinese proverb would say: “In the flowers of the present we see the fruit of the future”

Good bye and may God have mercy on you all because your future as nation will not be easy…It will be the way you deserve it.

rider650

Why do you assume that I`m American? Because there`s 500 million of them and I write in English? Also with your long rants, your all-caps ‘NAZI’, and you saying that somebody blames Russia for the start of WWII, you sound like a lunatic or a teenager. I`ve never read or heard about anybody blaming anyone else than Germany for WWII. And if you think that the West is run by national socialists, I have one question for you: What do you think happens when I issue a public statement that I am a proud national socialist? Do you think my pals that run things will promote me to top echelons of power? Or do you think I will lose my job, never get another one, get disowned by my family, and have people called Antifa that have the tacit approval of government agencies harass me for the rest of my life? If you have to think about the correct answer, then I have some bad news for you ;-)

Z.P.

Whatever, will not waste another second with you

Phoron

Don’t do us any favors…

Jake321

Well, there are only about 325 million of us Americans but you are correct about how virtually all of us feel about you Nazis, Adolf.

Bobo Voxar

asj your fuckos in Danish embassy…

Jake321

Did that make you feel better? Now take your meds and tune your tinfoil hat.

Z.P.

Fact is that US are supporters of neo-NAZI’s in Ukraine,Latvia, Estonia , Lithuania, Croatia etc, because they represent fighting force against “threat” from Russia! US and Ukraine voted AGAINST the U.N. resolution that was CONDEMNING the neo-NAZI movement !!! NATO is the neo-NAZI organization that through operation “Gladio” cooperates with European NAZI’s ! What else is left to say?!! Send you mother to veterinarian, she feeds you with wrong drugs dear NAZI.

Jake321

As an American, I sure haven’t noticed this. What I have seen is this site and it’s twin, Russia Insider, trying to be the Russian Daily Stormer.

Z.P.

You are US -NATO = NAZI Yet you pretend to be against fascism? US-NATO are globalist imperialist fascists !!! I just have sent you AMERICAN names who are in charge of Russian-Insder so go verify RETARD !!!

I am the only person here condemning fascism and neo-NAZI’s openly here ..While you are just another NATO-NAZI bastard who come to me pretending to be against NAZI’s?!? Go fuck your self NATO-NAZI !

Kananda

putin is nazi.

his best friends are neonazi Wolves, russian group on harley davidsons. Interesting, that these RUSSIAN neonazis do not use russian motorcycles, but american ones! ;)

Hoy do you explain these both facts, towarishch?

Z.P.

So by some Putin is Jew and by other despicable scum like you Putin is NAZI ?!

As long as you hate him I know that he is absolutely right person!

Kananda

Putin is fascistic half-jew. Moscow pay for western neo-nazi organisations, in russia putin tolerate them, too. Will support israel, becous his stolen money is guarded by jewesh banks.

cechas vodobenikov

in Adorno’s studies he found that ordinary Americans were more anti-semitic than ordinary Germans of the WWII era….today in Russia it is “stylish” to be a Jew in the past 2 plenary sessions of the UN only 3 nations voted to oppose the condemnation regarding the use of nazi symbols and expressions—USA, Ukraine and Canada…… the racist, jackie, below observes nothing evidently…RI is an amerikan publication, not Russian

Z.P.

EXACTLY “USA, Ukraine and Canada…voted to oppose the condemnation regarding the use of nazi symbols”! Thanks for reminding me on that significant detail US “anti”- fascism !! Not even typical neo-NAZI countries had courage to vote for that like Latvia and other 2 Baltic countries, or ex-NAZI Finland who still uses Swastika, or other countries that are close to fascism like Croatia whose gov. has official neo-NAZI celebrations every year financed by them. Or other European countries wher extrem right is powerful now. But self proclaimed “beacon” of “freedom and democracy” US has voted for NAZI symbols and NAZI tradition !! Yes “Russia Insider” is American neo-NAZI site ! “American Stormer” should be much better name !

Paul

So much murderous hate in these comments. Sigh.

Scott

As you would expect from the select number of SouthFront locals.

cechas vodobenikov

http://www.sot.net/article/428302 the Finns continue to resent that USSR punished them for siding w the Nazis by taking Karelia–retained by Russia today….as the Finn ecologist, Penti Linkola wrote 10 years ago, “1 Russian soldier is worth 10 lazy Finn soldiers” obviously amerikans love the Nazis—they were funded by US industrialists…Ford etc…both Churchill and FDR were anti-semitic… the Ukrainian Nazi battalion, Azov possesses numerous Nazi volunteers from Finland, USA, UK, Switzerland…the Donbass anti-fascist battalions—Essence of Time, Sparta, Ghost, Smert, Varya etc include Russian, Colombian, Argentine, French, Spanish, Brazilian, Ukrainian, Chechen, Serb anti-fascist volunteers the Finn economy has suffered substantially resulting from retaliatory Russian sanctions…perhaps they can convince amerikans to entirely hegemonize them w burgers and marijuana

Z.P.

Neo-NAZI’s from Croatia, Belgium, France and few other EU countries were there also! Neo-NAZI volunteers were fighting on Croatian side against Serbs like they did on Ukrainian side against Russians!

CIA +Neo-NAZI’s + Catholic church go always together! The best proof is the situation with Orthodoxy in Ukraine! The same methods are used in Serbia for century already and now in Montenegro, Kosovo(against Serb Orthodox church and in Ukraine against Russian Orthodox church.

goingbrokes

Swastika (Sanskrit word) is the oldest symbol of mankind, found universally on every continent, and even in caves. Anyone has the right to use it, and no one should avoid using it just because the nazis used it. To think that it is an inherently nazi symbol is uneducated in the extreme. And politically extremist. Incidentally the regular hexagon is also NOT a jewish symbol, but much older than that. In fact the jews didn’t really use it before 1933. What happened in that year I’m not sure. Before that they used mostly the lion of Judah motive. The regular hexagon is the common heritage of mankind, and no group should be exclusively associated with it. Medieval depictions of a regular hexagon don’t necessarily have anything to do with judaism.

Z.P.

Why didn’t you tell me that directly if you make comment on mine? So you think it is “uneducated in the extreme” even if that country is with the NAZI past?!? Even if they used the same symbol during alliance with NAZI Germany?! So that symbol is not compromised at all in your opinion? If so why other NAZI and fascist countries would not use their NAZI symbols? Why Finland has to have NAZI symbol with endless number of other symbols to choose? It is not even part of their cultural heritage but it is part of their NAZI past !! So why “uneducated in the extreme” ? Do explain please if you can explain at all.

Also what exactly is “politically extremist” being against NAZI heritage and NAZI past? Since NAZI’s and their supporters are extremists.

goingbrokes

This was not meant for you exclusively. Many cultures have used the swastika from time immemorial, including the Finns, so you’re wrong in saying that it’s not their cultural heritage. It’s not politically extremist to be against nazi heritage, it is politically extremist to be against the common heritage of mankind. Why the nazis chose swastika is an interesting question, and I don’t know the answer to that – need to look it up. But from memory, the swastika doesn’t seem to have been much in use in the German speaking areas before the nazis adopted this ancient symbol.

goingbrokes

Also there was a soviet tank unit that used yellow swastika on red background before ww2 – they changed that when Germany became the enemy, and the photos are devilishly difficult to find on the internet because of the mass of irrelevant results. But it shows that no one thought the swastika was a nazi symbol at that time. In fact the campaign to associate it with nazis exclusively is part of the Anglo-zionist propaganda.

Z.P.

You are not very strong in logic are you? That is proof for what?! Did Soviets ever used Swastika AFTER the war as symbol of anything positive? So why do you mention that at all?

Above and before all Swastika is NOT – NAZI symbol but Indian symbol and part of Indian cultural heritage only ! By illegal cultural appropriation NAZI’s-Finland took the freedom to use that symbol ILLEGALLY without India’s approval. Unfortunately as consequence the meaning and significance of that symbol is corrupted in Europe.

Z.P.

You could answer to me with two words and direct me this comment ! So that I can take look at your comment and have possibility to defend myself and not to write against me (also) behind my back like classic backstabber.

“you’re wrong in saying that it’s not their cultural heritage” The Indian symbol was even introduced by German! “Cultural heritage” because they have used it for how long? Twenty – thirty years before it was used as symbol of NAZI cooperation? No it is not their “cultural heritage”! It is symbol from INDIA used for short period of time before they had alliance with NAZI Germany where they have used the same symbol ! Can it possibly get through to you that they have used it under NAZI Germany alliance and that Finland had their NAZI “SS” troops in aggression on the Soviets during German invasion? What kind of “heritage” is that?! I think you are hypocrite with double standards. And if that is exaggeration than you have extremely lenient approach to Finland with very stretched, almost absurd argument.

It is “it is politically extremist” to be supporter of symbol that was used under the NAZI Finland !‘ —– “it is politically extremist to be against the common heritage of mankind.” —– And how exactly I am against Swastika on global level? I have no problem with Indian culture and heritage. They can use it as much as they want it is only Indian “cultural heritage” not German or Finland’s “cultural heritage” What you talk about is not “cultural heritage”but illegal “cultural appropriation” ! So you misinterpret the things in clear aim to white wash role of the symbol that is used in NAZI period in Finland as well.

You are NAZI apologist ant this here is NAZI PROPAGANDA !!! “and remained so until Finland and the Soviet Union – which had just fought a successful war with the United States to eradicate Nazidom” —- Finns were members of Waffen SS troops fighting USSR with NAZI Germans !

Waffen SS troops from FINLAND (see photos) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Waffen+SS+troops+from+FINLAND&atb=v196-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

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