In recent days we have received dozens of questions about the situation around the Moskva cruiser to our email, with even more questions have been asked in the comments. We are not the Russian MoD, but having summarised all the available information we can give our opinion on the case.
– Is the cruiser’s captain dead?
No, the cruiser’s captain is alive and took part in the general formation of the cruiser’s crew in Sevastopol yesterday. Reports about cruiser’s captain death are a fake, spread by Ukrainian resources.
– Is it true that some seamen of the cruiser Moscow were rescued by a Turkish merchant ship?
Probably, no, this information does not correspond to available facts.
– Were there any casualties on the cruiser?
Probably, yes. The possible number of casualties is estimated from 3 to 24 people from the ship’s fire-fighting and survivability departments. The cruiser had a total crew strength of 510.
– Was the cruiser hit by Ukrainian anti-ship missiles or did it sink as a result of a fire caused on board due to negligence or systems malfunction?
This question does not have an obvious answer. It is likely that a missile strike took place. But 1-2 Ukrainian anti-ship missiles are definitely not the direct cause of the sinking of the ship. Firstly, a ship of this class can be sunk if an ISCM hits the key components of the ship at the waterline level or hits the main missile warhead, which is obviously not stored “on the deck”. In this case, a significant part of the ship’s crew would be killed.
On 16 April 2022, the Russian MOD released a photo and video of the crew formation in Sevastopol, showing the crew of the cruiser, including the captain, in formation. Also, in the Russian social networks, the Ukrainian side and NATO propagandists could not find any meaningful information about the death of the cruiser’s crew, except for a couple of unconfirmed facts. It should be clearly understood that we live in the information age and almost everyone has dozens of relatives and friends who have accounts in social networks and are worried about their loved ones. For example, the Ukrainian segment of social networks is now full of information about dead or surrounded AFU soldiers in Mariupol (thousands of messages), whose numbers are estimated at up to 2,500, which is only 4-5 times the number of the cruiser’s crew. Consequently, the crew of the cruiser Moscow probably suffered little or no damage.
The question therefore arises as to what really caused the sinking of the cruiser. It seems that there are only two possible answers to this question. It is either the inability of the cruiser’s fire-fighting equipment to cope with the fires caused by the missiles within hours. Or the attack of a NATO submarine, coordinated with the missile strike of Ukrainian ISCMs. The first scenario seems the most likely.
– Were NATO forces involved in the attack on the Russian cruiser?
If we take as a matter of fact the attack on the cruiser by Ukrainian ISCMs, then definitely yes. The reconnaissance and targeting of the missiles could not have been carried out by the available means of the AFU. Clearly, the entire operation was coordinated and controlled by the US headquarters.
Separately, the restrained reaction of Ukraine’s top leadership should be noted.
– For what reason were the cruiser’s air defences unable to repel a 1-2 missile strikes or was the crew unable to cope with the fire on board?
The cruiser Moscow was a missile attack ship. Its own air defence capability was limited by its combat purpose and the specifics of its construction. The cruiser was launched 43 years ago. The air defence coverage of the cruiser was to be provided by escort ships, just as is done with US aircraft carriers or large attack ships of other countries. As for the fire on board, problems with the fire-fighting system have been reported previously on large Russian ships.
– Why wasn’t the cruiser Moscow attacked earlier?
The attack on the cruiser made no military sense, only political one. Against the background of a one-off surrender in Mariupol of an unprecedented number of servicemen since the Second World War, Kiev had a vital need for a worthwhile response, at least in the information environment. Unlike Moscow, Kiev and Washington rightly see the importance of information engagement in modern warfare. To all appearances, this operation had been prepared in advance and the trump card was laid out at the due time.
– Why was the Moskva cruiser alone, without escort ships? Will the admiral who gave such an order be punished? Why did the Russian Ministry of Defence not assume that the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet with the iconic name “Moskva” would be a priority target during the war?
To these and other similar questions, we have no answers. Only time can provide them.
- Russian Federation Urgent Humanitarian Response Statement On 16 April 2022
- Russian MoD Briefing For Evening Of 16 April 2022
- Russian MoD Briefing For Morning Of 15 April 2022
Lmao this has got to be one of your dumbest posts yet. Full of copium and fiction.
F-I-C-T-I-O-N On the other hand, Kiev refused to pick up ukrop corpses in various regions like Volnavakha and other places. And that we know for a fact because those corpses are still there lmao. Despite locals and various representatives pleading Kiev to come pick them up. There’s also footage on telegram of dogs literally eating the remains of Ukrainian soldiers. That’s how little they are worth. Less than a pound of pork. Just food for starving dogs.
Any truth to the rumour that Russia scuttled the ship themselves as a justifucation for expanded war aims?
Possibly. Ship was 5 years from decommissioning. It could ‘justify’ Russian escalation of other fronts
I’m a little worried that no one is mentioning the nuclear weapons onboard this submarine. In the anoxic conditions where she lays recovery of these items might be possible.
Turks aready lurking around the regions she sank.
There was no nuclear weapons onboard don’t be retarded.
none
Not likely: it’s humiliating for Russia to lose a ship in any case.
Nope it was the main air defence unit of the black sea.
And it is not cheap to replace 400 drowned experienced sailors.
No it wasent , its a carrier killer. Its ad is provided by other ships.
PeeToDrink your diseased worm infected brain was drowned in Zelenskys toilet.
Sailors are well, your retarded shit is 100% debunked but keep farting and barking stupid bitch.
Russia’s ominous warning of unpredictable consequences to US for helping Ukraine and Ukraine’s own silence on what should be the best propaganda victory they have had yet indicates the US had a part to play in the Moskva attack, and Ukraine is nervous.
What ever happened with the Moscow it is embracing for Russia, stupidity or incapability aren’t they equal wrong? A cigaret in the powder house is a bad as being incapable to intercept two incoming rockets with a complete eskadron ships, what i think did happen. About the foto’s it is obvious that it is taken before the sinking.
You are “embracing” for your monkey parents
russia isn’t impressing anyone in this war…USA will eat it for a snack when the time comes…heheheh…
Care to enlighten us what you think happened in Bucha? Let me guess, hmm, whatever CNN said am I right?
The World knows what happened and will hold russia accountable!
impotent homo in arkansas cannot hold senile veg Biden accountable…lol
Speak for your self,dreamer of fucking deadcorpses in refigerators,you fake news phsycos!
Don’t worry, Ukrainians Nazis will answer for the Bucha!
Remember the evidence: “Kill everyone without blue armbands!”
The U.S military is full of queers and lesbians, the only thing they can eat for a snack is each other’s privates hehehehehe
Queers & Lesbians is all it will take to beat that russian azz!
talky talky—lgbt hillbilly do nothing—insecure little girl….”only. in America is the father vestigial–the American mind and conscience is feminine”. Geoffrey gorer
YE cant beat anything but one another for the few remaining corpse rations to bonk (sic)
You’ve been fed by the MSM spoon again, haven’t you!
More russian ships will be sunk soon…heheheh…
half US naval vessels not combat capable—Russia will easily turn your shithole lgbt nation into Stone Age—but you feminized cowards will never directly challenge us—taliban sodomizes you now Russia humiliates you!
well this is that one thing you have in advance: your country is almost at stoneage level. and soon all these yuriwhores from yuristan will be set home in coffins. .. but wait, since wladiwhore putinshit is afraid telling the truth, he will just let them rot where they were torn apart. poor yuriwhore
Where is your counter attack ukro whore?
How does it feel to prostitute your country so Joe Biden can steal everything he can get hid cock on.
Redirecting to putin is a weak argument of no substance. Tell your controlling officer you need new strategies, not crap that a 21 year old came up with.
But your a liar which means shit,thats all you exist here on in,just for shit all so fullovit too!
Yes as we see in Afghanistan, call Emma with two moms
USA beat that Afghan azz for 20 years & left it a pile of rubble…same coming for russia soon…heheheh…
taliban sodomize you—you lgbt love sodomy
THINK YOUR FUNNY EH SATANIC POOF LAUGH AT THIS ( I ) MY MEN WILL WIPE YOU TOO!
That’s radiculouse nato-us even after 3 months of permanent bombing of serbia was not able to deactive Yugoslav army in fact the trups was 90% intact as you see the Taliban are still the Boss in Afghanistan and even more dangerous as 2001
Bad news troll. Another merc I’ve been monitoring for a few weeks just got sent to Donbas, it isn’t looking so good for NATO and Nazi bitches.
https://i.postimg.cc/SnPp1nYK/0-CD49-FCA-1-CDC-4-FE6-AD6-A-B13779-C596-FD.png
The moskva went BYE-BYE!
lgbt arkansas hillbilly say bye bye to Ukraine…lol
REMMEMBER YUGOSLAVIA,WE ARE GONNA FUK YOU OVER LIKE NEVER EVER BEFORE! FAKE NEWS DEGENERATE DESPERATO LOSER BUM.
learn some proper english you sad rip-off of an autistic putins cocksucking dietard
I piss on you and your english you mutant braindead, moronic cocksucking whore owned by yankee niggers
senile homo nazi impressed by lgbt
BUGGER YOU,IMPOTENT,DEGENERATED,HALWIT, LOW IQ TRANNY FLOG,AS IF DUMBASS ( O) KWEER!
Keep trying troll.
I’m trying to broaden my knowledge of this war and here you scum spouting nonsense. You’re the trash if the Internet. Go to hell punk.
Good work. I assume Russia could upgrade the Black Sea Fleet by purchasing brand new, state of the art, cruisers for immediate delivery. After all, it’s time China got some real time battle experience for their brand new Navy.
i guess china will think twice before accepting worthless rubels son
they accept your mama for 1 yuan per chinese dick
“general”. How ignorant can you get… SMH
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I doubt the loss of this 40 plus year old ship is actually a major loss for Russia. After all, It’s not like the Russians can’t buy a new, state of the art, cruiser from China tomorrow and have it delivered in a couple of weeks.
I’m curious to find out just how good the Chinese ships really are with a seasoned crew of the Russian navy.
No Russian military ships allowed to black sea. And chinese chips are chinese quality.
You plastic dildo is US quality, the only thing made in US these days…
If the ship was actually hit with anti-ship missiles, how did Ukraine pull it off? Nothing is adding up, and Russia being silent about it, does nothing to help put an end to rumors and speculation. The Russian MOD should come clean about what happened, but alas, I won’t hold my breath that they will.
There are undercover NATO troops in Ukraine and they might have even fired from outside Ukraine. For Russia this is embarrasing so they’re going to adhere to a low profile version of the events (“shit happens” kind of line) but, in any case, with or without clear evidence, Russia does not want to escalate direct conflict against NATO.
Of course that, if this kind of undercover NATO attacks become more common, then we should be scared of scalation indeed.
Moskva was distracted with drones. Drones also gave coordinates for those Ukraine missiles.
We already knew you are low IQ but you just keep proving it every time you decide to type something. Muh drones lmao Imagine thinking that in order to identify the location of a ship you need a drone…. If you’re going to troll and spread ukrop propaganda online you should probably do some research. Here’s a pro tip, start looking into radar and what it’s capabilities are.
Valid point, nothing adds up about this incident. Ukraine says an anti ship missile did the damage, begging the question does one of the Neptune missiles have the capacity to do such damage. Oh wait, now there were two missiles. So how did they both escape detection from the sophisticated Russian defence systems. Russia says it was caused by a fire that started from some type of incompetence of the crew. An unusual admission if true, and why was the crew given such a warm reception when they reached Sevastapol if they were responsible for causing such embarrassment to the reputation of the Russian navy. The most straightforward answer is alluded to in the article, that it was a direct attack by the US or NATO, either by a submarine or by a DEW. Where things go from there is anyone’s guess, but it’s an escalation of tensions that nobody needs.
Glad the vast majority of the brave Russian sailors are ok. Unlike the Nazis in Mariupol.
One can count 50…120 sailors on that Russian propaganda video.
Where are all the rest? 400 drowned?
Considering you literally didn’t know about the existence of radar until I told you, I am not surprised that you are also incapable of math and arithmetic.
Dipshit, both your brain and eyes are 100% dead. You have no spine or balls either pathetic bitch. Just one huge pile of diseased poo stinking in your loser basement and waiting the rest of your half-dead deformed body to collapse and die completely. Soon no doubt.
russian navy = joke
USA & UK navies have a long history of ruling the oceans…time to steam into the Black Sea & show russia what REAL Navies look like!
lgbt in arkansas senile coward
I remember sheffield sunk by Argies….I remember S. Galahad, S. Tristan sunk by Argies…
“moskva” = russia word for “burning pile of shyt”, heheheh…
You sodomite lgbtq activists have no future there (period) Either way wrong or right you will LOSE!
you = gonorrhea diseased pile of dog shit slowly dying from cancer heheheh…
Moskva was put on the sea bed on Putins order to protect her from ukronazi harassment and mistreatment. When Ukraine is liberated in a handfull weeks she will be brought back to the surface and refurbished.
Good question and answer segment. Very good.
It could have simply been an accident. Accidents do happen at sea.
“It was an accident,” “It was bad luck,” “It was an outdated ship.” Russians and those who defend Russia are full of excuses.
Russians = vodka (alcoholism), cheating, bribery, doping, nepotism, excuses, silence, serfs, blame shifting, violence, mafia = incompetence.
In the Napoleonic Wars, Russia was helped by the climate (General Winter). In the Russo-Japanese War, the Russians were defeated by the Japanese. In the Winter War, the Soviets won against Finland, but considering the national strengths of the Soviets and Finland, the Soviets lost.
Russia has a vast territory and a large population, but that is all. Its quality is inferior to that of the Western countries. Many Russians are lazy. Not only in military power, but also in political power, Russia is inferior to the Western countries. Not only in political power, but also in economic power, Russia is inferior to the Western countries. Conclusion: Russia is an incompetent nation. Russia can only rely on nuclear weapons and gas (oil).
Inferior to the western countries? almost every single part here in german tehnology are made by Chinas parts
Rubbish. Napoleon lost 90% of his army before winter and was already running away before any snow. He made up that laughable story and morons like you still repeat it. Also ask Carolus Rex, Friedrich the Great, Adolf Hitler and your turkish sultans who is “inferior” you inferior cretin.
https://twitter.com/nadinbrzezinski/status/1515547275572830210?t=O91_NLpSjirO-gEjvO_qIw&s=19 Just quit and count the losses.
One can count 50…120 sailors on that Russian propaganda video.
Where are all the rest?
Moskva vas the main air defence ship of the black sea fleet, now it is gone.
Could it be possible that a ship hit a mine, and that was the reason why the ship sunk during towing?
Frank, porque colocaste uma fotografia falsa na capa da notícia “STRIKE ON MOSKVA MISSILE CRUISER IS ONLY PRECURSOR TO CHANGE IN MILITARY SITUATION IN REGION”?!
Frank, why did you put a fake photo on the cover of the news “STRIKE ON MOSKVA MISSILE CRUISER IS ONLY PRECURSOR TO CHANGE IN MILITARY SITUATION IN REGION”?!
450 sailors are dead and cold among amazing black sea fish species. It’s clear that russian propaganda video show just 50-70 sailors. Do try to fool us southfront, we are not easly manipulated russian’s.
Don’t you think it’s about time to move on to the next stage of grief, from denial to anger? It’s probably better for your mental health to stop lying to yourself, overdosing on copium can get you only so far.
cope
Please make love to my asshole!
Sorry but the most obvious answers aren’t even contemplated in the article. The first one is sabotage. Yes, there are traitors in Russia too, it isn’t an american trademark. The second one is a mine. Let’s remember that the ukrops have disseminated the Black Sea with mines, some of them have reached the Bosphorus!!! And let’s remember that the night of the incident there was a storm. It isn’t at all difficult that a mine could have reached the ship and detonated and, by sheer luck, detonated near ammo.
Obviously the sabotage looks more realistic from a statistical point of view
a shame for the russians.
If NATO are complicit, then attack NATO !
Surprisingly good Q & A. Keep up the good work.