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It seems that there are some difficulties with the implementation of the ceasefire between Turkish-led forces and Kurdish rebels in northeastern Syria. On October 26, Kurdish fighters targeted a Turkish ACV-15 armoured combat vehicle with an anti-tank guided missile.
There was a time when Kurds released quality videos, recall Afrin. Appears the SDF has rules against releasing pix and videos.
The problem with the Kurds is support from Iraq and the US. And the solution to the problem is getting the problem with Iraq and the US resolved. Until that’s done the Kurds are going to be duplicitous, subversive and non compliant with the Adana agreement and NE Syria Russia Turkey Syria MOU.
Iraq shouldn’t be fueling the conflict by allowing the US to use their territory to illegally occupy Syria, steal Syria’s oil, support the Kurdish sedition with billions of dollars in aid and attack Syrian government coalition forces with air strikes.
It’s not a memorandum of understanding [MOU] between Russia Turkey and Syria you liar, it’s a memorandum of understanding between Turkey and Russia, why the hell did you add Syria in that comment, we were only talking about it a day ago and I pointed out your error, but you’re still making the same error now, FMD. Syria’s totally opposed to this new memorandum which if accepted would legally give the Turks the right to occupy sovereign Syrian territory, how stupid do you think Assad is mate, not as stupid as you are that’s for sure. You’re a halfwit RichardD, tell us how the Kurds aren’t complying to the Adana agreement, where in the Adana agreement does it say the Kurds can’t attack Turkish interests that have illegally invaded Syria and also attacked them without justifiable provocation, it doesn’t you dickhead, and tell me one other country in the whole world other than Turkey and Russia that’s saying their presence in Syria is justifiable according to the old Adana agreement. The Adana agreement is only being broken by the Turks themselves, NOT THE KURDS, you need find out what the Adana protocols do and don’t allow, it’s the Turks that are actually breaking the agreement not the Kurds. Adana only refers to Turkish/Kurdish PKK terrorists and any Syrian groups affiliated with them, not every single Kurd in Syria, and it definitely doesn’t give the Turks the right to occupy Syrian land or kick the Kurds out of their Syrian homelands. Assad’s just sent an envoy to the UN to ask them for help, they don’t want the Turks in Syria and have told the UN the Turks are there illegally and breaking the old Adana agreement, and NOT COMPLYING TO IT, and they’re asking the UN for help to stop them using it to justify their illegal occupation. I’ve already linked you 2 articles from the official Syrian government news site SANA telling everyone the Syrians don’t accept the Turks occupation of Syria and why they don’t, and yet you still continue to sprout this absolute BS propaganda.
“New York, SANA-Syria’s permanent representative to the UN, Dr. Bashar al-Jaafari renewed Syria’s strong condemnation of the Turkish aggression on its territories, and its categorical rejection the attempt of Erdogan regime to justify its hostile acts under any pretext”.
https://sana.sy/en/?p=176780 … Which means the Syrians are saying the Turks can’t use the Adana protocols to legally justify their presence in Syria, and they’re asking the UN to also say the Turkish occupation is illegal according to international law, the exact opposite of what you’re saying. And this is Assad’s official statement straight after Putin informed him of the new MOU between Turkey and Russia [not the MOU between Russia, Turkey, and Syria],
“During the phone call, President Putin underlined Syria’s territorial integrity, saying that any agreement between Russia and Turkey will focus on combating all forms of terrorism and dissociate any separatist agendas on Syrian territories.
President al-Assad, for his part, affirmed categorical rejection of any invasion of the Syrian lands under any title or pretext, saying that owners of the separatist targets bear the responsibility for the developments of events in the current time”.
https://sana.sy/en/?p=176635
That’s Assad saying I don’t accept your deal, the Turks won’t be allowed to stay here legally and use that old Adana agreement to justify their presence according to international law, and then he sent an envoy to the UN the day after to ask for their help to stop the Russians and Turks trying to use the old Adana agreement to justify their presence.
You can read Russian propaganda that spins the story the other way, but Assad’s official news site SANA tells us all the true story. So you can believe RichardD’s propaganda or you can believe what Assad’s government is saying on the official government news site, it’s a simple choice.
“The President of Russia noted that the main goal is to restore Syria’s territorial integrity and continue joint efforts to reach a settlement by political means, including through the work of the Constitutional Committee.
Bashar al-Assad supported these decisions. He thanked Vladimir Putin and voiced his complete support for the results that have been achieved, and stated that Syrian border guards are ready to deploy to the Syrian-Turkish border together with Russian military police units.”
– Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the Syrian Arab Republic Bashar al-Assad –
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/61878
“The President of Russia noted that the main goal is to restore Syria’s territorial integrity and continue joint efforts to reach a settlement by political means, including through the work of the Constitutional Committee”.
That’s why he’s trying to use the Adana agreement to try and legally justify Turkey’s presence in Syria according to international law, he’s trying to preserve Syrian sovereign integrity by keeping the Turks in Syria legally, LOL, so he actually helping preserve its integrity hey, you MORON, Assad says it isn’t, he agreed to a UN implemented resolution to help to stop them.
And resolution 2254 according to the old Russian/Turkish/Iranian version, gave the Turks as much say in the 150 member constitutional committee makeup as Assad himself would have had. It sold Assad out and gave the opposition groups Turkey supported a huge voice in the redrawing of the Syrian constitution, that’s why Assad sent an envoy to the UN just a few weeks after Turkey/Russia/Iranian agreement was announced and accepted their new deal over the old one Putin wanted him to accept. Just days after that Russian/Turkish/Iranian Astana declaration was made [to implement the old version of resolution 2254 using the framework of the latest Astana agreement] the UN saw a chance to drive a wedge between Assad and Russia and took it, during the first meeting [SANA news has articles] Assad made many demands on the UN and the UN agreed to them all, every single one, and now according to the new amendments, the Turkish supported opposition groups will no longer have a say in the constitutional committee makeup, amongst many other things, and Syria is now fully FULLY FULLY supported by international law and the UN. The shitty old Russian/Turkish/Iranian resolution 2254 would have gave the Turks real power in Syria if it was implemented, but the new amended version Assad managed to work out with the UN is way way better, not good, just way way better than the crappy old one Putin wanted him to accept, don’t you ever wonder why Assad accepted the UN proposal over his ally Russia’s proposal.
The price of any international agreement is the forces standing behind it.
“The Syrian army on Saturday was deployed to new areas in northern Syria near the Turkish border as part of recent Russian mediated understandings, according to the state news agency SANA.
The army units entered the countryside of the Turkey-held Ras al-Ayn city in Hasakah province in northeastern Syria “to help counter the Turkish offensive,” SANA said.”
– Syrian army deployed in new areas near Turkish border –
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/27/c_138505729.htm
Here’s another story from SF,
“The SAA entered Kobane earlier this month following a breakthrough agreement between the Damascus government and the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). Later, units of the Russian Military Police joined the army inside the town as a part of a Russian-Turkish deal”.
But it’s 2 different stories mashed into one,
“The SAA entered Kobane earlier this month following a breakthrough agreement between the Damascus government and the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF)”.
“Later, units of the Russian Military Police joined the army inside the town as a part of a Russian-Turkish deal”.
They’re conflating 2 different stories together, just what the writer of the article intended, but the 2 linked bit’s of information tell their own story as well as the 2 stories that both of the separate stories told us, so there’s actually at least 3 stories in that tiny bit of info, probably 4 stories, 1, the Syrian gov and the Kurds have come to and arrangement, 2, the Turks and Russians have come to a separate arrangement, 3, and the simple fact that both stories were linked together to confuse us also tells us someones trying to hide something, 4, I’ll keep to myself.
I told you once that you have to read between the lines to truly understand what it is most stories are actually telling us, and you called me an idiot, but this above is a prime example of propaganda, and I’ll bet if the situation was reversed, and it was Israel trying to conflate the 2 stories you’d probably pick it out instantly, but one eyed bigotry has stopped you reading and understanding it properly, I’ll bet you still think this article I provided actually reflects the truth of what’s going on, instead of trying to hide it. You repeat what Russian media is telling you, that Assad is agreeable to the Turks staying in Syria legally using the Adana agreement as a justification, even though I’ve linked you 2 articles from Syria’s government news site which have the Syrian government making statements which say the exact opposite, they won’t let the turks remain in Syria using the old Adana agreement as justification. I give up, believe what you want.
And I forgot to criticize your comment on Iraqi complicity too, thanks for reminding me.
“Iraq shouldn’t be fueling the conflict by allowing the US to use their territory to illegally occupy Syria, steal Syria’s oil, support the Kurdish sedition with billions of dollars in aid and attack Syrian government coalition forces with air strikes”.
And the Turkish government should pull it’s 5 to 10,000 Turkish soldiers out of it’s 18 illegal bases in Iraq, and stop buying oil from the KDP Kurdish Peshmerga, and it should stop indiscriminate bombing of PKK targets in Iraq, and it should listen to the Iraqis and stop assisting and supporting the Kurdish autonomous government in Iraq, why didn’t you mention the Turks as well, the Iraqis complain about Turkish activity and meddling in Iraq as much as they do US activity.
– Russian military police patrols accompanied by a Syrian Arab Army unit on Tal Tamr-Ras al-Ayn road –
https://www.sana.sy/en/?p=176855
version 2 LOL, you’re still conflating 2 different issues and perpetuating confusion silly boy. 1, Assad’s desire to stop any further military incursions from Turkey, 2, Russia and Turkey trying to use the Adana protocols to justify a Turkish presence in Syria under international law, Both are different issues buddy and can’t be conflated, Assad can comply to certain demands the Turks are making and still be opposed to the core demand of reinstating the Adana agreement. He isn’t doing anything at all to facilitate the Turks demands to reinstate the old Adana agreement, he’s doing what he’s doing just to appease any excuses the Turks might have to invade even further into his sovereign territory, that’s all.
“The buffer zone will be controlled jointly by the Syrian Border Guards and Russian Military Police. All YPG forces, which constitute the majority of the SDF, must withdraw 30kms deep from the border along with their weapons within 150 hours from the announcement of the deal. Their withdrawal will be overseen by Russian Military Police and Syrian Border Guards, which entered the zone at noon on 23 October. …
The Syrian Government would construct and man 15 border posts on the Turkish-Syrian border.”
– Northern Syria Buffer Zone –
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Northern_Syria_Buffer_Zone
Version 1 LOL, you’re still conflating 2 different issues and perpetuating confusion silly boy. 1, Assad’s desire to stop any further military incursions from Turkey, 2, Russia and Turkey trying to use the Adana protocols to justify a Turkish presence in Syria under international law, Both are different issues buddy and can’t be conflated, Assad can comply to certain demands the Turks are making and still be opposed to the core demand of reinstating the Adana agreement. He isn’t doing anything at all to facilitate the Turks demands to reinstate the old Adana agreement, he’s doing what he’s doing just to appease any excuses the Turks might have to invade even further into his sovereign territory, that’s all.
Syria is an official party to the agreement:
“5. Starting 12.00 noon of October 23, 2019, Russian military police and Syrian border guards will enter the Syrian side of the Turkish-Syrian border, outside the area of Operation Peace Spring, to facilitate the removal of YPG elements and their weapons to the depth of 30 km from the Turkish-Syrian border, which should be finalized in 150 hours. At that moment, joint Russian-Turkish patrols will start in the west and the east of the area of Operation Peace Spring with a depth of 10 km, except Qamishli city.”
– Memorandum of Understanding Between Turkey and the Russian Federation –
http://en.kremlin.ru/supplement/5452
LOL, you’re still conflating 2 different issues and perpetuating confusion silly boy. 1, Assad’s desire to stop any further military incursions from Turkey, 2, Russia and Turkey trying to use the Adana protocols to justify a Turkish presence in Syria under international law, Both are different issues buddy and can’t be conflated, Assad can comply to certain demands the Turks are making and still be opposed to the core demand of reinstating the Adana agreement. He isn’t doing anything at all to facilitate the Turks demands to reinstate the old Adana agreement, he’s doing what he’s doing just to appease any excuses the Turks might have to invade even further into his sovereign territory, that’s all.
“It’s not a memorandum of understanding [MOU] between Russia Turkey and Syria you liar”
I didn’t lie about anything. Syria is officially a party to the agreement. As demonstrated by both the agreement itself and Syria’s deployment of forces in compliance with the agreement.
Version 3 LOL, you’re still conflating 2 different issues and perpetuating confusion silly boy. 1, Assad’s desire to stop any further military incursions from Turkey, 2, Russia and Turkey trying to use the Adana protocols to justify a Turkish presence in Syria under international law, Both are different issues buddy and can’t be conflated, Assad can comply to certain demands the Turks are making and still be opposed to the core demand of reinstating the Adana agreement. He isn’t doing anything at all to facilitate the Turks demands to reinstate the old Adana agreement, he’s doing what he’s doing just to appease any excuses the Turks might have to invade even further into his sovereign territory, that’s all.
And you’re a total moron who misunderstands everything he reads and sadly perpetuates the confusion by repeating the misinformation someone’s fooled you with, despite the fact someone else’s pointed out your obvious error. You can repost confusing articles that don’t actually support your argument at all if you want to, just because the Syrians are taking steps to calm the Turks down and stop them continuing their attacks, it doesn’t mean by default they’re going to also accept the Turks demands to reinstate the Adana agreement, especially since I linked you 2 articles from Assad’s government that say they won’t. You are Autistic aren’t you, any normal person can see the error you’re making now, but you still have no idea what I’m talking about, you’re still calling me a liar.
You’re a habitual pathological liar. Syria is a party to the MOU and is implementing it. The evidence is prima facia. Nothing that you’ve posted disproves it.
Okay without calling each others names, we can discuss and exchange thoughts peacefully. You are both right. Assad does say he doesnt agree with Turkish incursion. And Putin is saying it is within the Adan protocols where it is violating them since turkey have invaded Syria. However, you gotta read between the lines sometimes (to willing conscience), the public story is never what really happens between closed doors. This is the inside story i thing it rolled out: 1-Assad knew that the Turks are going to do an incursion. 2- Assad is going to UN and crying for invasion, which is the legal/natural thing to do when such thing happen, even if you were aware of that going to happen. 3- Putin, Erdogan, Rouhani and Assad, are all working in concert to drive the SDF to Assad’s arms, and then to drive the US away from the Syrian territory. 4- Putin allowed erdogan to flex his military, and to be used as a scare-crow against the SDF to run in the arms of Assad and leave their US alliance. 5- I think even Trump/pence were briefed on the happenings or being part of this big plan to restore Syrian’s integrity. Trump have been calling for Syrian pull out since 1 year now, it will be great political boost for election. Even a US pull out of afghanistan might even be on the table for the coming US election (for Trump). 6- Turkey will never annexe 1 inch of Syrian. What Turkey wants is to be part of the Syrian construction at the hands of the Arabs and not the Kurds. 7- (most interesting point) why Putin allowed Turkey for such security zone? Turkey now is switching from US alliance to Russian alliance, S400, SU35, SU57 purchases. Also, Putin knows if Turkey plays stupid and decides to stay in Syria to annexe its territory, Putin will declare a security zone within Turkey to stop the terrorists in Afrin and Idlib region, to contain them since they seem to come from Turkey all the time, that will put an end to Idlib/Afrin situation.
—-> just like cryptocurrencies, they are always a public story, the story we tell everyone (public address) and a private story, the story that really happened (private address). Never the news outlets show the exact events as it happens.
One day you may make a comment on SF that RichardD really dislikes, and then you’ll find out why I’m so rude to him/her. 1, Agree, 2, Assad went to the UN to ask them for protection from Turkey under International law, 3, Trump, Putin, Rouhani and Assad, are all working in concert to drive the SDF back into Assad’s arms, Trump can then exit Syria without the crybabies wailing about it and save the US 15 bill a year. 4, Putin allowed Erdogan to flex his muscles in Ar Raqqah and Al Hasakah because Putin’s focused on building stronger ties with Turkey, he did want the Kurds to run back to Assad as you say he intended, but the ceasefire he brokered on Erdogan’s behalf in Idlib means he’ll do things just to help Erdogan without any obvious benefit to Syria or Assad. 5, I agree totally. 6, I agree, “Turkey will never annexe 1 inch of Syria” long term. I think Erdogan wants what the Muslim Brotherhood [organization/terrorist group] and Isis wants, Sharia law and democracy in every Muslim country. 7, Putin and Erdogan have been working with the Iranians to give Turkey immense political power in Syria, first using resolution 2254 dec 2015, then the subsequent Astana agreements jan 2017, and now the Adana protocols that they want to reintroduce to make Turkey’s illegal occupation of Syria legal, all bad for Assad and Syria in my eyes. I always read between the lines, you can never really understand interesting stories unless you do, cheers.
If you’re interested in a different perspective read this article, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-russia-turkey/russia-turkey-discuss-new-ideas-on-syria-kremlin-idUSBRE8B415T20121205
Okay we agreed on some points then we disagreed on others. Erdocunt cannot and will not annexe any Syrian land, be sure of that. Putin also stated that a security zone within Turkey is also an idea to contain terrorists in Idlib since they seem to be running North everytime the heat comes too close. Seeing things from Putin’s perspective, he has to let his new friend erdocunt to flex his military, all that to push a heavy defense budget, more money for Russia’s MIC. Also, know for a fact that Putin is in control of Erdocunt due to Turkey’s need for military gear, and since the US have restricted their access to state of the art equipment thanks again to the sale of the S400. You see Putin’s game here ? Also, i think you are following some biased news outlets like Reuters which is 100% Rothschild owned to push disinformation and anti-Putin sentiment. Putin has Assad’s interest in his agenda, he invested so much in Assad, why in the world will he suddenly betray the SAA by allowing Erdocunt annexe Syrian territory, it doesnt make sense in the big game that is being played right now. Letting the Turks roam around the Northern border and scaring the SDF to run to Assad is the sole goal of the operation (Turkish incursion). Now if ErdoCunt gets some homicidal thoughts and decides to go further and/or to annexe an inch of Syria (Afrin included) he can kiss good bye for the SU35, mig-35, SU57, and the missiles for the S400’s (final delivery for the S400 order for Turkey will be on April 2020 which will be holding the missiles for the system). So ErdoCunt is on a leach and Putin is in control. Now the “muslim brotherhood” or the shameful organization that put shame on the muslim religion since they are supporting terrorism since they are a covert arm of Zionism, since the muslim brotherhood is freemasonic organization and yes muslims do have freemassonic lodges and the muslim brotherhood is one them, they are much more covert and hidden about it comparatively to western lodges. So anything the muslim brotherhood conducts is zionist in nature and directly or indirectly helping the zionists. Therefore they are cunts that have to be executed. Having a isis caliphate in syria is exactly what isis wanted, and exactly what the mercenary/terrorists of erdocunt are attempting to do with the Syrian National Army which is a group of jihadists/mercenaries trained and armed by pawns of NWO to sow discord in the muslim world (here Syria). All is known by Putin, and this is a trial to flush out those terrorists in Syria using the SDF and the SAA/iran.