In Video: Ukrainian Refugees “Thank” Their Host Countries

I feel for ya man. I bugged out to the ‘poverty zone’ a long time ago where housing is affordable. No insolents out here either. Just many months per year of very hot dry weather is all. But I like that. No dreary pea soup.

Turns out the ogre would not let me post L O L.

The second paragraph is correct. The first so and so. Goths were in Ukraine though but Tatars were also in Ukraine.

Sequentially so: the Goths were expelled by the Huns, who are the precursors of the Bulgars and other Turkics (much later called “Tatars”). The “Tatar” (Turkic, much later under Mongol elites) rule of the European steppe basically spans between the expulsion of the Goths and the Russian conquest of the region in the 16th to 18th centuries. That’s more than a thousand years. Sure: some groups like the Magyars may not have been Turkic but they were part of that same Turkic-dominated nomadic landscape that replaced the Scythians and towards the western end the Goths.

Weren’t Scythians also Turkic? Magyars were Turkic but now they look Slavic.

No. Scythians were the last Indoeuropeans of the steppe, the original Indoeuropean homeland. They were Iranic and distinct branches of them were the Sarmathians, the Cimmerians (which lend their name to Crimea, where they created a Greco-Cimmerian realm known as Bosporus Kingdom) and the Alans (from whom the Ossetians derive somehow and who were part of the great migrations that destroyed the Western Roman Empire).

The “stay behind” core Indoeuropeans of late Yamna culture are almost certainly ancestral (at least linguistically and culturally) to indo-Iranians in general. They remained a purely steppe people until the Bronze Age (Indo-Aryan invasion of IVC and a branch heading west and forming, along with the local Hurrians, Mittani Kingdom), those who stayed behind until the Iron Age were the Iranics, who conquered what is now Iran and Kurdistan as Medes (Persians were a branch of Mede-ized Elamites probably, although maybe Persians were originally distinct from Medes somehow, unclear). Some Iranics (broadly known as Scythians) stayed behind in the steppe until China dislodged the Xiongnu (Huns), who are with all likelihood ancestral (again linguistically and culturally, genetic influence is in some cases very negligible or even invsible) to the Turkics historical and modern.

These Turkics replaced the Scythians in all the Eurasian steppe and formed several realms, some of the older ones called Hunnic, incl. the White Huns or Hephtalite realm in the Afghanistan area (which used Bactrian, an Iranic language, as official language, they are surely ancestral to the Hazara people). Later, already in the Middle Ages we see the formation of various Turkic polities in the steppe such as the huge Gökturk Khaganate in Central Asia, the Bulgar Khaganate in approx. modern Ukraine, the Khazar Khaganate in Southern Russia, etc. The so-called “Genghis Khan” patrilineage is probably a Turkic founder effect a thousand years older than the Mongol Empire.

I don’t believe in the Indo-European theory. Those “Indo-Europeans” were in fact Turkic. Scythians were a catch all term. You are correct. Sarmatians, Cimmerians and Alans were a mix of Turkic and Caucasian aka white Mongols.

Elamites were ancestors of Mesopotamians and Dravidians.

At this point. much like General Relativity, it’s not just a theory: it is ***scientific fact***, the evidence is just massive and any competing theory of the past has died by drowning under its overwhelming weight. I could explain but why bother: you are clearly a big mouthed ignoramus who knows just enough to babble about this matter (sorry to be blunt but seriously…)

Turkics are the Huns, there were no Turkics or Huns or even genetic evidence of them west of Altai Mts. before the Bronze Age (and in the Iron Age it’s almost exclusive female exchange between the two regions) and there’s lots of other evidence, huge amounts of it, archaeological, linguistic, genetic, you name it!

Elamites are probably related to Dravidians in a Neolithic timeline but Persians show up in that region as a branch of the Medes, so probably pretty much Indoeuropeanized Elamites. Sumerians are IMO rather related to Hurrians and NE Caucasian peoples in terms linguistic but more research is needed.

Sarmatians come from the word Sauromates which means lizard eyed. So what people do they have lizard/slanted eyes?

Highly speculative the etymology and anyhow, East Asians correctly object to the “slanted eyes” attribution, you may say “narrow eyes” or “high eyebrows” but slanted eyes is not a thing (unless it’s individual variation in any population).

What is clear is that Scythian and Sarmathian genetics were West Eurasian, discussion closed, facts trump speculation.

Nazis exists in every people. Hugo Banzer and Omar Bashir were examples of its tropical version.