Israeli Warplanes Targeted Military Airbase In Syria’s Eastern Homs

you dont have advanced drones yet..mock-ups and thats all…israel has even anti-radiation drones…counter-measures is another issue,russians are very good at land-based ew applications..

Those drones you call mock ups are already in the air flying.

advanced drones which ı call mock-up or at process are okhotnik and altius..the others are not big-deal..

Those are already flying.

any serious source can you give me?,ı can read russian no problem..(su-57 is also flying)..

Indeed. Su-57 saw combat more than once over Syria.

sawing combat and sniffing combat absolutely different…they are in calibration process….155mm KM-1 Krasnopol artillery guided weapon also saw combat but 2-3 years ago it became perfect product..su-57 is a way to go

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bulgarianmilitary.com/2020/08/03/russian-attacking-drone-s-70-okhotnik-struck-at-militants-positions-in-syria-sources/

ı said serious source(bmpd,colonel cassad,top-war etc)..okhotnik is not ready yet..it could made experimental flights at various altitude but not ready…

It was ready enough to carry out combat missions in Syria… Case closed…

https://youtu.be/QuqidOg6ZCs

jesus it can fly but not under serial production….

Never underestimate Russians…

ı never underestimate any country let alone russia

The Afghans sure didn’t.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(Russian_UCAV)

Same as the Orion.

Iranian drones are superior to Israeli drones as well.

interesting details about russian drones.lol.. https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4130190.html

” According to the U.S. Russian hackers are the best… ” Israhell is full of ” Russian ” hackers. ” Aside from that I’m pretty sure Russian can turn off the spy programs Israel loaded on it. ” And those same Israhelli / ZioAmerican ” Russian ” hackers can disable any Russian backdoors in the s-400 and possibly reverse engineer technology. Cant they ? Or is hacking only a one way street. Don’t be so naïve.

U.S. couldn’t even reverse engineer the RD-180 rocket engine. Eventho Russia gave them the blueprints and the metallurgy specs… I’m not worried.

Try to keep up. We’re talking about Israhelli ” Russian ” hackers. The large ” Russian ” population in Israhell that Putin is always ” protecting ” according to many here.

I tend to suspect you are correct. Let me add, Putin has two more objectives there.

1) To prevent the Jihadis from winning completely and turning on Israhell or other US ” allies ” or interests.

2) Putin’s role is to be the good cop to ZioAmerica’s ” bad cop “. Meaning, he will prevent Assad from winning until Assad agrees to the new Syrian constituion, written for Syria by the UN. Of course this will also mean the end of Syria as we know it.

What a naive assumption. Putin doesn’t have to go through that process if he wanted a new Syria with a new U.N constitution. All he has to do is pull much of Russia’s forces from Syria or relocated them to more secure locations and watch as the Anglozionists take on Assad, Hezbollah, and Iranian forces in Syria. After Assad’s fall, Russia and the Anglozios will have a deal regarding what post-Assad Syria should be like.

Truth be told, I see Iran losing in Syria pretty soon. Here’s what I think will happen. Russia will make a deal with the U.S. and Israel that a post-Assad Syria will not allow Iran to ship weapons to Lebanon. Russia is Christian, and it’ll defend Israel. Most Christians have great respect for Israel. The only doubts Russia will have is Turkey. Erdogan’s Turkey wields tremendous influence over most of the Sunnis in Syria. Sunnis account for 74% of Syria. The emerging government is likely to be more obedient to Turkey than Russia. However, both Turkey and Russia can have influence in Syria that doesn’t clash. The only thing preventing this is Russia’s reluctance to switch over to Muslim sides in this intra-Sunni fight between dictators and Islamic patriots.

I hope you understand that Russia’s presence in Syria alone is saving thousands of Hezbollah and Iranian lives. So do be grateful. If Putin were to withdraw Russia’s forces, Syria would be overrun in a matter of months with or without Iran and Hezbollah. Russia’s entry of Syria saved not only Assad, but Iran and Hezbollah. get that into your thick skull before you start blaming the Russians for not fighting your war.

it wont convince even a child

Becasue they get detroyed as soon as they get to Syria. Someone is backstabing Iran and giving intel to Israhell.

That would be Russia and Putin. Russian involvement in Syria is more for their only overseas bases in Tartus and Latakia and not about Syrian sovereignty. Israel and Russia are coordinating their policies and attacks on Syria. Putin even absolved Israel after the death of 15 Russians in the ill-fated IL-20.

Indeed! Who would say so! Giving Syria S 300 have always been Israeli interest coordinated with Russia! Downing the f35 with s 200 was also coordinated insult to super grown Istaeli cowardly ego.

Could you kindly care to elaborate and post some proof about the downing of F-35. I eagerly await proof. Thank you kindly.

You are very welcome, but I simply do not have time, so try to look for your self.

From what I know, according to the agreement with Russia the SAA could only operate Russian air defense systems.

They could start by stopping these impotent threats. At this point, Hezbollah will need to kill a couple hundred Khazars to get equitable retribution.

There are two wining formulas for Hezbollah: (1) Totally disband, disarm and hand over every weapon to Lebanese military and stay out of Syria, dissociate yourself from Iran, and sign a peace treaty with Israel. OR (2) Fight and hope to win.

Hezbollah chooses neither of these. But it claims to choose the second option.

There is this misconception in the Hezbollah leadership that that if the do not retaliate, somehow Israel’s aggression will stop if Biden wins. A big mistake.

Another misconception on the part of Hezbollah is that if they don’t retaliate, the attacks won’t grow into a full-blown war. This is a mistake too.

The U.S. and Israel understand that Iran and Hezbollah are willing to accept minimal human and material loses while they continue to grow their power. So they have stepped up the attacks to unbearable levels for both Iran and Hezbollah. First, they destroyed Iran’s economy even as Israel kills dozens of Iranian and Hezbollah fighters in Syria. Then they invaded Syria and Iraq in significant numbers. Then they killed General Soleimani and put several others on assassination list. Then they planted bombs in Iran that destroyed facilities and even killed people. Then they sabotage Lebanon with an explosion disaster that killed over a hundred, wounded thousands, and destroyed billions of dallars in property. Their next step is likely to start a civil war in Lebanon. Now Israel is stepping up its bombings of Iranian and Hezbollah forces in Syria.

I think they’ll seek to destroy Hezbollah through a civil war in Lebanon. Should Hezbollah attack Israel in return, both the U.S. and Israel will bomb Hezbollah across Lebanon into Syria and even Iraq. Should Iran overtly support its proxies, a direct attack on Iran becomes inevitable.

Syria is in this mess because Iran choose to arm Hezbollah through them. Had Assad steered clear of Iran and Hezbollah, it would have been easier for him to end the war.

There were no Iranians IN Syria before the war started,they are now there to help the Syrians smash terrorism,what don’t you get about that?

So you’re saying Syria should betray its allies and sell out out to the Zionist and then it can have peace ? Nice deal.

“All theories of warfare point to the fact that this war is being artificially prolonged and should have been over years ago.” – Agree 100%.

Iran wants unconditional support and respect from people, but it’s not willing to earn it. perhaps they think wars are fought with bluster and hot air. I can only remember the war of words between Ahmadinajjad and Obama back then. Now I realize how badly I judged Iran then, thinking they’ll take no nonsense from anyone. It was all mouthiness, but deep beneath, the regime is paranoid. Obama obviously had the same feeling that Iran shouldn’t be messed with. Trump proved everyone wrong. Iran is more frightened than anyone regarding a regional war. But they are xperts in war-of-words. If there is anyone whole bring Iran back to its senses, it’s Trump. I hope the Americans realize this.

U r whabhi cunt u are not sunni . you are slave of zionist only knows how to divide shia and sunni. Sunni was getting killed on daily basis with the hand of ISIL/US/Israel/Alqaeda.etc where where you. palestine dying everyday but your master GCC are shaking hands with same criminal. if its not for iran or hezbollah or Houthis or shia fighters to rise up . most of the sunni in iraq syria and palestine shuld have been wiped out. and also in Afganistan Taliban is killing civilan (sunni ) mercilessly. where were you u hypocrite. If iran wants and shia they should have waged a long war . with this GCC and remove all Wabhi slave from ME but unfortunatly they have been thaught have patient till end and wait for time and keep up Defence . give time to this hypocrite muslim to understand islam and wait for appearence of Imam Mehdi. that day the final war will take. so you hypocrite far from the reality of islam and quran . just shut up

Not Sunnis, Hamas terrorists. We have peace deals with 3 Sunni countries now, and as you can see we don’t try to hurt any of them. We also want the Palis to have a state, but first they must reach unity between Fatah and Hamas so a peace deal can be made. You are a slave of Hezbollah, which is a slave of Iran. You are being used to hurt Israel, even though you know you have no chance to win. But alright keep trying to provoke a war at our border, I’ve told Gryzor, Objective and Garga I don’t wish to harm Lebanese and a war can and should be avoided, but I swear to God, if you kill one of our guys we will unleash a living hell on you like you have never seen before. Your choice.

“Well, as usual, you said some pretty nasty things. The nastiest of which is quoted below.”

Indeed it has been quite some time I hadn’t stumbled on your fairy tales, mate  Come on, these are not “nasty”, but rather some factual element you never seem to be able to hear.

“This is the second time you are accusing me of wishing genocide of Iranians. It’s either you misunderstand my position completely, or you just want to make me feel bad.”

It’s because you have mate. And so more than once, quite verbatim with that. My claims are not gratuitous, believe me. I am simply appalled at your worst diatribes. Something along the lines of “I prefer a region on fire and hell on Earth that would destroy Iran rather than see it dominate it”.

No matter the angle from which you want to see or portray this kind of statements, they are tantamount to wishing the end of a 80-million population or at least huge, irreparable harm to it that would kill millions and destroys generations of history and culture, and so no matter the rationale that leads there, or its sincerity. Indeed, despite my equal hatred of gulf monarchies, I would never in my worst day wish a similar fate to any of their countries or people, since they aren’t responsible for their rulers’ madness and backwardness.

“I am a very religious Sunni Muslim.”

Quite true indeed, and I have seen that it sadly doesn’t help you develop a solid, realistic view on today’s world but rather some anachronistic and vain hopes on realities that never materialize…

“Whoever wishes for the collective death of these people is worse than the devil himself.”

Agreed. So stop doing it, and we’ll be fine on that topic once and for all. “No true Sunni Muslim would wish for that.”

And no Muslim (as per your definition) would ever wish a certified, giant evil like the US to win the day by attacking and destroying Iran as a country and integral state along with its national fabric, à la Iraq in 2003.

“But you see, the Iranian regime threatens the sanctity of our faith. It threatens the heart of Sunni Islam. And we can’t just sit and watch. To me, Iran is a bigger threat to Islam than both the U.S. and Israel. But I won’t bother you with this. I’ll make a few comments on your claims about Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.”

That whole vision emanates from a belief that the current competition and resulting wars in the region are religious at heart. On this, you and I will forever be irreconcilable I’m afraid and there is no need to debate it in lengths all over again. I totally disagree with this and I have explained more than once why.

“ISIS was an American project aimed at Iran. Had ISIS succeeded in reaching the Iranian border and establishing a presence, the U.S would have fought Iran in a cost-effective way.

And this is the kind of insane, criminally machiavelistic entity you support in its struggle against Tehran? congratulations, what a pious Muslim showing its true worth yet again.

““Iran didn’t fight in Iraq to protect the Iraqis. It fought to save its neck.””

It protected both itself and also its allies abroad, which is exactly what any sane government would do in its sphere of influence before a given threat reaches its borders, there is nothing abnormal about that, while this is a concept that I oppose conceptually since this is only true of bigger powers protecting their hold on smaller ones, nonetheless a reality that today transcend nationality of faith. This is what Israel does, what Saudi Arabia does, what the US does, what Russia and China do. What did you expect Iran to do in this situation? just watch ,relax and see their position, interests just crumble to the ground to look good in the eyes of haters like you that blame it whatever it does , when it intervenes and even when it doesn’t directly like in 2003.

See the double-standard I was referring to? it is quite apparent right there. When it comes to the Sunni camp, they do it because it’s a supposed fight for survival against a blood-thirsty Iran willing to crush Mecca. When Iran does the same, it’s seemingly a cheap way at defending its own arse and nothing more. Your very derogatory wording betrays your strong bias and contempt against everything Iranian, just as before.

In 2003 Iran helped the Iraqi insurgency defeat the American occupation exactly in the same way that the Soviets helped the Vietcong win the day against them, and this is exactly how it garnered its initially widespread support, at the time even within nationalistic Sunni ranks. Of course it developed an unbalanced relationship with the countr on the longer run and I object to it strongly, as much as I do the GCC in their militarily-enforced massacre of the likes of Yemen, or the violent crushing of peaceful protests in Bahrain.

You can’t blame Iran for not going toe-to-toe against an unleashed superpower, especially considering its own military was only a fraction of its current strength at the time, as their level of self-sufficiency was of no compare to what it is now and its many homegrown assets, namely in precision-guided ballistic and cruise missiles and air-defenses. Nobody does that. The concept of proxy forces has been a new normal since the beginning of the Cold War, you should know that, for every nation able to practice it, in no way is Iran or its neighbor any different in that.

“The U.S/GCC/Israel/Turkey all fight through proxies. But there is a difference between their proxies and those of Iran. I’ll say the learnt this proxy war from Iran.”

And that is supposed to excuse them more than Iran. What kind of rationale is that? If anything, they went down the level of the evil Mullahs that they hate so much for what it does, the issue is they can’t have it both ways and still complain about that dirty little game going both ways. Either both camps stop doing it and start meaningful steps for a dialogue, or none ever will. Plain & simple.

“Iran’s proxies are state actors. Hezbollah collects customs tax, has offices, openly trains and recruits in their country, have radio stations.”

So do ISIS and Al-Qaeda linked paramilitaries in Syria and once in Iraq when they controlled a whole third of the country. Collecting taxes on non-Muslims, boasting training centers even for children (which Iran doesn’t, precisely because they’re official and can’t take such publicity in host countries) and perform organized recruitment in regions they controlled. They keep a stranglehold and monopoly on the media, have a fully-fledged TV and Radio wing for their propaganda, build a state within the state that they call Caliphate, and block the internet wherever they find “illegal connections”, close cybercafés etc…

“ ISIS/Alqaeda/Al-Nusra, etc are all considered terrorists by the whole world.”

Completely untrue statement for groups other than ISIS and official AQ wings. Only a handful of countries designated them as such, the US to this day refuses to blacklist the Muslim Brotherhood and its operating battalions in Idlib. And it took it several years to follow suit on Nusra and still doesn’t recognize Ahrar-Al Sham and Nour_al-Din_al-Zenki or the Turkish Backed islamist ”National Liberation Front” as such either, despite its many war crimes and blacklisting by other western countries such as the Nederlands.

From the MB’s dedicated wiki page :

“Past U.S. presidential administrations have examined whether to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a Foreign Terrorist Organization and have decided not to do so.[265] During the George W. Bush administration, the U.S. government investigated the Brotherhood and associated Islamist groups, but “after years of investigations, … the U.S. and other governments, including Switzerland’s, closed investigations of the Brotherhood leaders and financial group for lack of evidence, and removed most of the leaders from sanctions lists.”[266] The Obama administration was also pressured to designate the Brotherhood as a terrorist organization, but did not do so.[267][268] During the Donald Trump administration, there were serious steps towards designating the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.[269] »

From Ahrar Al-Sham wiki page :

“Ahrar al-Sham is not designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department, the United Nations, or the European Union. Since December 2015, the UN Security Council has been trying to assemble a list of terrorist groups in Syria. Syria,[170] Russia,[citation needed] Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, and the United Arab Emirates[171] support classifying Ahrar al-Sham as a terrorist group, but they have not been able to achieve a unanimous consensus.[3][172] Ahrar al-Sham’s relationships with U.N. designated terrorist organizations has been, and continues to be, a key point of contention in U.S. and Russian foreign relations and in their Syrian ceasefire negotiations.[173] The U.S. Department of State has said that “Ahrar al-Sham is not a designated foreign terrorist organization”.[174] However, some U.S. officials have reportedly considered designating it as a terrorist organization because of its links to al-Qaeda subgroups such as the al-Nusra Front.[165]

From the Nour_al-Din_al-Zenki wiki page :

On 9 May 2016, a plan was reportedly proposed by the US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar to have the Nour al-Din al-Zenki Movement form a “Northern Army” to gather more than 3,000 fighters for the operation. The next phase will be to transfer the fighters from Idlib to northern Aleppo through the Bab al-Hawa Border Crossing and the Azaz border crossing. This reportedly began on 13 May.[59] However, the plan was delayed due to doubts from U.S. officials about the capabilities of the Syrian rebel forces that Turkey had recruited to fight with its military, the opposition from the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces, and the rift between Turkey and Russia that had only been mended in early August 2016.[60]

“The closest to Iran’s sophistication in using proxies is Turkey. Because those Syrians in IDLIB have some legitimacy in the eyes of the world.

They have zero legitimacy. The “world” you refer to is the anti-Assad gang, and at most they simply keep silent on the many recorded abuses ongoing in Turkey-dominated regions because they want this conflict to drag on and keep Syria on the floor. I live in France and we even have occasional articles and undercover journalistic piece describing life under Salafist and MB factions, for instance on international channel France24. Same happens with the British BBC. Nobody supports them, yet they don’t condemn them outright either for the reasons I mentioned since they’re still useful tools to pressure Assad, but the whole political spectrum considers them non-state actors and the fact that the immense majority of them are Islamists controlled by Turkey is commonplace now in the media and parliamentary halls alike.

“I treat Iran differently because it claims to be an Islamic government based on Shariah. It wants the world’s Muslims to take it as the leader in this fight to liberate the Muslim world. The supreme leader claims to lead the Muslim world. And a lot more. That’s why I give Iran a higher bar of morality to prove that it’s not what it claims to be.”

Same goes for the KSA claiming they’re the only true representative of Allah’s kingdom because they host Mecca. I agree with your claims on Khamenei’s personally twisted goal, but the House of Saud is absolutely no different. I will continue to blame both hypocritical dictatorships for exactly what they are: a fallacy of a regime masquerading as humble, pious leaders.

“ Because others use proxies to destabilize countries doesn’t give Iran the excuse to do the same.”

True, but that logic work entirely both ways, while you only hold one side of that truth against Iran while disregarding the other, and that one-sided position disqualifies you from claiming it as an argument, I’m sorry.

“It’s like say, you fornicate because others do it too. That’s never a justifiable reason in Islam.”

Funny example you bring up to the atheist I am. Why does it always have to end up being about sex with you guys? Don’t answer, I’m just joking ;-)

Seriously though, my main issue with you is that you always fail to blame everyone with the same moral strength while they technically commit the very same atrocities and cynical manipulations on the ground. That one will forever be an unworkable mindset to me, since it’s based on completely arbitrary morality you unilaterally decide to apply on one side of the fence only, and in my view inherently prevents it from becoming a receivable argument in the absolute. Anything that is arbitrary in the face of the same set of facts is ideological rather than objective thinking.

“I’ve got a lot to say about this subject, but I won’t be making long comments like before. Just say what you disagree with and I’ll reply.”

Thanks but no thanks, I only pick occasional exchanges with you from time to time when I’m in the mood and stumble upon some unacceptable claims I want to challenge on the spot, merely for posterity on this site rather than “convincing” you on anything, as I have seen this is a lost cause, and I don’t really mind that much, to be perfectly honest.

Lets be honest. Israhell didn’t violate anything. They were allowed to use the airspace.

Good point.

Jordan has the resources to prevent it, Iraq less so, given the location and probably limited duration of the violation. So yes, at a minimum, Jordan didn’t interdict violations of it’s airspace. At the speeds and distances involved, It’s possible that the IAF could have flown along the border going in before the RJAF got planes in the air. But there’s really no way to return without going back over Jordanian airspace. The same goes for Syria.

How effective the RJAF would be in it’s current configuration of F-16A/B against IAF F-16C/D and F-15C/D is an open question. And probably a similar ecm deficit. Which no doubt effects the consent vs coercion equation.

So if Jordan is going to participate in a regional coalition against Israel. Upgrading air and air defense assets to parity or above. Will be a necessity. The equipment is available to do it. And the RJAF has the personal and facility resources to do it without a lot of upgrades. The Egyptians are already well down that road. And could assist the RJAF with this transition on an as needed basis.