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Kurdish-led SDF Cries Foul Over Rapid Turkish Advance In Northern Syria

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Kurdish-led SDF Cries Foul Over Rapid Turkish Advance In Northern Syria

SDF commander Redur Khalil

On October 12, Redur Khalil, a spokesperson and senior official in the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), made televised statement crying foul over a rapid Turkish advance in northeastern Syria.

The statement was made as Turkey-led forces captured at least 18 villages, entered the town of Ras al-Ayn and stormed the town of Tell Abyad. The SDF and the Kurdish political leadership in northern Syria betted on a US support, but failed to win according to the recent developments. So, now they are simultaneously blaming the US for the stab in the back, asking it for help and threatening to ‘resume negotiations’ with Damascus and Russia.

“Since Turkey started the offensive, they have not stopped bombing the region with missiles and artillery,” Khalil said. “All we need is a no-fly zone.”

“We had a lot of friends during the ISIS days, but our friends betrayed us,” said Khalil. “When they left us when Turkey decided to attack, they stabbed us in the back.”

The SDF representative also claimed that the Turkish operation “does not distinguish between civilians and military”.

Claims about ‘all we need is a no-fly zone’ are a common example of the SDF propaganda, which likes to present itself as some super-capable military force that defeated ISIS. In fact, a vast majority of the SDF ‘successes’ against ISIS was based on the US-led air power, foreign special operations forces and artillery deployed in the country and defeats that ISIS suffeered in a number of major battles against the Syrian Army (Palmyra, Deir Ezzor, al-Mayadin, al-Bukamal) and even the Turkish military (al-Bab).

The SDF leadership likely hopes that its nice image in mainstream media will help it to return the US support and the Trump administration will once again use US troops as human shields to resuce the SDF from Turkey.

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Icarus Tanović

It won’t be happening, only solution for you is to reintegrate with SAA, and Syria.

Sasan Jamshidi

They have always called for that but assad denied giving any citizen rights to kurds.

Icarus Tanović

That is simply not true.

Feudalism Victory

It’s the Syrian Arab republic dude. Not arab and Kurdish.

igybundy

Look 100 years ago, no kurds in Syria anywhere… kurds only moved in when they went to kill the armenians living there and take over their homes. Why not tell the west the kurds now occupy the areas they killed and drove off the christians who lived there before??

Tommy Jensen

Assad denied to give freedom to his people. Assad and Putler bombed all civilians in Syria who refused to vote for dictatorship and hitler. Therefore there was nothing the Kurds could do about it, if they wanted their freedom.

Boxman

Quit lying you dumb piece of sh*t. People here are not so uninformed. Spew your lies elsewhere. Assad has repeatedly offered to give the Kurds amnesty for their initial act of rebellion and limited autonomy if they agree to rejoin the Syrian republic, which is only fair as the SAA would be dying to protect the Kurds from the Turkish invaders. So the SAA is supposed to suffer thousands of dead to defend the Kurds, for nothing in return?

Uncle Meat

I believe Tommy is poking fun at the gullible, stupid citizens of the USA, UK and elsewhere who actually believe such bs. It’s understandable, your anger. He is simply using satire to make a point.

Pave Way IV

Assad was offering to make Kurds a real part of the SAR. Part of that means eligible Kurds serving their obligatory service in the SAA like all Syrians and maybe (near term) existing YPGYPJ units coming under the unified command of the SAA. This is a big sticking point that everyone overlooks. The SAA has no intention of starting an unwinnable war with Turkey to protect Syrian Kurds if those same Syrian Kurds insist on maintaining their own, independent military forces.

On the Kurds part, they insist that the SAA give them all the armor, heavy weapons, ATGMs and MANPADS that the SAA uses. But they won’t become part of the SAA or take orders from it. If Syria arms them up with stuff they otherwise couldn’t afford, then they’ll ‘kind of cooperate’ with the SAA to beat back the Turks. For a while. After that, they’ll use the Syrian-supplied heavy weaponry to retake all newly-expanded Kurdish-claimed territory and fight the SAA if necessary. Oh yeah… the Kurds are not paying any taxes to Damascus to support the non-Kurdish SAA or participate in any military actions that don’t benefit the Kurds. They are not going to die to repatriate Syrian Golan from the Israelis, for instance.

AJ

Nice try, nobody believes your bullsh*t you scumbag

Uncle Meat

I believe Tommy is poking fun at the gullible, stupid citizens of the USA, UK and elsewhere who actually believe such bs.

ArcAngel

This spew is a perfect example of how brain-dead, ignorant, and idiotic trolls are. “It” just cannot help themselves in their demonic stupidity and have to mention “Hitler”. Sometimes, and only sometimes, their spew is so inane its comical… this would be one of those instances.

AM Hants

Theyh chose the US, who were not even legally in Syria.

FlorianGeyer

Yes indeed, AM. The Kurdish leaders are essentially opportunists . If they had been realists and stood with the SAA from Day One there would have been tough times, but not a fraction of the disaster they will face now, in my opinion.

Turkey had demonstrated during their internal military operations to suppress the Kurds for many years, that they were unwanted in Turkey. Rather like the Armenians that Turkey and the Kurds murdered and drove out of Turkey on the early 1900’s.

The Kurdish leadership were either dazzled by the perceived power of the US, or they were bribed by the US to join in with the US illegal invasion of Syrian territory. Or both.

The US would dearly love a regime change in Turkey, but until that happens, the US will always side with Turkey whilst they are NATO members, I would think.

igybundy

the kurds thought they were a mighty army because the US bombed any opposition and then the kurds ran over and planted a flag.. so easy to conquer such huge areas… in so little time.. The propaganda went to their heads and they started to believe in their own invincibility. Look how difficult it was for the SAA to gain every inch while the demonic forces did not even have to step out of their 4×4 trucks provided by the US.

AM Hants

Just replied to one of your other comments, with regards the Kurds, reminding me of the other Nomadic Turkic Tribes, who adopted Christianity, Judaism, Islam and learnt Hebrew. Do believe they are known as the Khazarians and also not forgetting the AshkeNAZI branch.

I was reading an interesting comment, from a Turk, over on one of the other web-sites, who was saying that the genuine Kurdish refugess, who went to Turkey, are living peacefully in the nation and causing no bother. The imposters, or the Western creation, well, sadly to say, I have no sympathy for them. They chose to align with the US and they chose to camp out, where the Syrian natural resources could easily be found.

What I find interesting, is the crowd who fund the White Helmets, are those shrieking loudest at NATO Member Turkey, cleaning out the trash around it’s borders. Yet, they completely ignore the genocide and ethnic cleansing programme, that is being operated over in Yemen.

Which nations fund the White Helmets?

USAID – $23 million 2014-2015 (a tax payer funded NGO, which the likes of Soros and friends fleece).

British Foreign Office – $24 million – 2014-2015

EU – $4.5 million – 2015

Netherlands – $4.5 million – 2016

British Foreign Office – £32 million – 2015

British Foreign Office – $24 million – 2016=2017

Germany – $7.6 million – 2017

Denmark, Qatar, Japan, DG-Echo (EU), Crowdfunding, Website – undisclosed sums.

Jo Cox Fund – $2.4 million – 2016 (why would a dead MP with two young sons, donate that amount of money, just a short time after her death? Why would her husband be out on the River Thames, with his two young sons, the day prior to her death, embracing Bob Geldof insulting the British Fishermen, just before the BREXIT vote?). Why did her husband get fired from his charity work?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+helmet+funding&atb=v180-1&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2F21stcenturywire.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F10%2F2-White-Helmets-funding.png

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Saudi and the UAE) have financed terrorism under the guise of charity and money transfers. Meanwhile, in just the last year, the two Gulf nations combined have spent more than $50 million on public relations firms to sanitize and polish their image in the U.S.

FlorianGeyer

I completely agree with all of your well presented factual and detailed appraisal here, AM.

Are we now witnessing a 21st century phenomenon of the misapplication of long established languages , or has such debasement of language always been a strategy of the self styled elite’s in power?

Could it be that we are merely more aware of these absolutist despots who have always sought to enslave our minds with absurdity and mumbo jumbo , due to our recent ability ( in a historical perspective ) to exchange knowledge with other ‘heretics’ on a global scale, as if we were all in the same room?

AM Hants

I was having an interesting conversation with a member of the Forces, who served in Northern Ireland, back in the 70/80s. What was interesting was how he was saying, that during that time, the enemy looked exactly the same as the average squaddie, and spoke the same language and owing to that, a lot of knowledge was gained. Plus, the mind games it would have created to your average kid who joined the Forces. The basic squaddie, in the old days was used to fighting an enemy in uniform. Well, as I believe the IRA were created by the same crowd, behind most of the carnage today, it would not surprise me if they used those simple facts for later use.

Hence the Kurds/White Helmets/Daesh/Al Qaeda or whatever they are called today, look no different from the average ME citizen. Plus, I seriously find it strange, how those who created the terrorist forces, come from the world of the media and so reliant on playing with words.

Do not know about you, but, I would never have thought of the average military strategist, coming from the publishing world? Would you?

FlorianGeyer

If anything, reporters are not trusted in the UK military, or any military organisations for that matter.

You will recall that money and weapons to enable the IRA came from the Irish community in the US. Was that community ‘helped’ by the chosen ones, including Soros during the Troubles?

I also read today that the Extinction Rebellion ‘organisers’ are being paid £400/week as ‘expenses’ and that HMRC is determining whether tax is due :) This is reported in Saturdays Daily Telegraph.

Common Purpose in action again?

AM Hants

Soros turned up around the same time that Common Purpose were up and running. However, Timothy Bell was Margaret Thatcher’s special adviser, back in the 70s. Did Harold Wilson send the Forces into Northern Ireland?

I remember the US firemen were heavy donors to the IRA, amongst the US community. 9/11 providing them with a wake up call, as to what their money was spent on. In the 70s I went to a Catholic School and we used to have bomb drills, with the bomb squad in attendence, rather than fire drills. I remember the head master, telling my brother’s mate that he had to stand by the suspect package, in one incident, till the bomb squad arrived. Then moving to London, and in close proximity to many of the IRA incidents at the time. My best friend, was from Fall’s Road and she was seriously apolitical. Her brother-in-law, was working on a building site in Belfast, which got blown up and although she was Catholic, she was saying that the protestants were on their hands and knees trying to dig out the victims. She had a lot of stories to tell, but, she never ever had hatred or bigotry in her heart. Always saying their was good and bad on both sides. Must admit, I learnt a lot from her attitude. She now lives in Australia.

I read about the Extinction Rebellion elite being paid around £400/week as expenses and stating they had to give up private contracts (that were no doubt not on offer) to lend a hand. How many flew in by private plane, to attend the protests? Did you hear one of the Belgium Royal Family got arrested, for their involvement?

FlorianGeyer

Twas Harold Wilson. The name given to the military intervention was Operation Banner.

“An ex-member of the organisation, Shayne Hunter – who is reportedly a founder of Antifa Australia, claimed that he quit the radical far-left group because Soros wanted to start a civil war in every country in the world.

“Soros was using us to start a civil war in every country in the world,” said Hunter. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=196241

“The Paedophile Dossier, co-written by Jean Nicholas, a maverick investigative journalist, claims that, in the 1980s and before he assumed the throne, Prince Albert attended paedophile parties.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/belgian-royal-family-dismisses-paedophile-claims-over-king-9180652.html

Shades of Prince Andrew ?

AM Hants

The Australian Anti-fa article so needs sharing.

What is even more sickening that for every cent Soros spends, he gets it all back and so much more, courtesy of the average tax payer, who has no idea they are keeping Soros in business. Not forgetting, the other tax payer funded NGOs, run by his mates and using the same script.

With regards Prince Albert, they all flock and hang together. Belgium has got a lot to answer for and no doubt why NATO and the EU have placed their HQs there.

FlorianGeyer

The Belgian Kings reign of terror in the Belgian Congo in the 19th century is a stain on humanity. It was identical to the worst of what we have seen ISIS do today.

AM Hants

For such a tiny nation, they come across as seriously weird. Same with Luxembourg, tiny but demanding.

FlorianGeyer

I would say ‘demanding lunatics’. but the word, Lunatic, is now verboten in Britain when describing Loonies.

I would argue that Lunatics are only insane for a short time avery month during the Full Moon.

Parliamentary MP’s are largely , um, Peculiar Sociopaths all of the time.

AM Hants

Haha, do believe in Westminster, they must take something that extends the period of lunacy, for when the Full Moon ends. Do love the word lunatic, though. Never took to ‘Loonie’.

FlorianGeyer

” The Canadian one dollar coin is also known as the “Loonie” due to the fact that it bears the image of the common loon.”

It amuses me anyway,AM. ‘Birds’ are acknowledged to be Bat Shit crazy once a month as well.

AM Hants

Nice one, regards the history of the Canadian coin.

Alfred Hitchcock – I wonder if the script of the Birds, was timed with a full moon, haha?

FlorianGeyer

If the Troubles in Ireland should tell the fools in Government anything, it is the fact that Britain now has all the slow burning fuses of a nasty civil war.

AM Hants

Watch them creep out of the woodwork when the Pied Piper Soros comes calling. When the Soros duo, Clinton and Blair, came calling, they soon crept back under the toxic rock, they came from. Weird that or what?

Must admit, I am still thinking about what the Anti-fa person said, with regards Soros wanting civil war in all nations, as decreasing 90% of the world’s population, using tax payer funding, so comes to mind.

How on earth nobody has tried taking him out, is simply beyond me.

FlorianGeyer

Yes, that also puzzles me.

All I can think of is that people with traditional values of decency do not go round assassinating people just because that have a different political point of view.

Its the ‘Ziotards’ who promote the assassination and mass extinction of those who fail to worship the Chosen Few.

AM Hants

With you there. I have never been a fan of hypocrisy and was raised in a family, devoted to the ways of the Catholic Faith. My mother collects telegrams from all the Popes and is on first name terms, with most of the Bishops that come to town. Yet, I remember, whilst a school kid, having no comprehension how you could go out, murder as many as you wanted and then go to confession on a Saturday night, and be exonerated for it all. For my ‘three hail Mary’s and one Our Father’ on a Saturday night, I would make up I knew the truth would freak out the Priest. Yet, I would get the same, as if I told him that I had taken out over a hundred lives, including women, children, babies and the infirm. My maternal relatives, living over the water, absolutely hated the English and had no problem with the bombing campaigns, yet, we shared the same relatives and history, they were happy to kill for.

Do believe those times, although not bothering me at the time, took root in my sub-conscious and that is one of the reasons I have been so vocal since 2014. The fact that besides being happy to be played, we accept the psychopathic tendencies of these sociopaths, under the guise of religion, nationalism or some other reason. To hide the fact they are nothing more than psychotic, mass murderers, doing what they love.

FlorianGeyer

That’s why sociopaths tend to work until they die IF they have the control of others in a plethora of ways, I would think.

AM Hants

Forgot to thank you, for your complement.

FlorianGeyer

It is well deserved AM.

AM Hants

Cheers and take care.

DaBoiiiii

Oh stfu, citizens or not, the kurds under Bashar and Hafez were allowed to buy land, go to school, work, receive welfare, you name it. On public holidays the borders between Syria and turkey would be open to allow them to visit family and such. All this despite the fact that most of them came from Iraq and turkey, and were not living in Syria. But they weren’t given citizenship and a place in the military. But they were not treated as second class citizens, they were given more than a fair life and comfort.

But they wanted more, and just like their cousins in Iraq, they went for that, and found that when push comes to shove, you need to be able to protect yourself, and the Kurds have always been unable to do this because their leadership is corrupt and only wants money and power. As soon as they are asked to fight they run.

igybundy

actually as soon as they are asked to pay taxes they say they are not citizens but travellers..

Concrete Mike

Bullshit, Assad has all the cards you have nothing!!! Negotiate with no preconditions for once!! Reconcile or die

Sasan Jamshidi

Me? I am in iran far far to syria. But i i he your devil voice from here problem of middle east isnt US or israel is you kind of fascist dictator bastards ready kill millions of innocents just to enforce your desire and idealogy

Real Anti-Racist Action

This is simply anti-terrorist operation’s.Turkey is regaining control of the borders since the SAA lost them to stop the flow of drugs and CIA assets across the border. As the border is secured and anti-terrorism operations wrap up, the fighting will subside and the drug flow across their borders will slow. This is why the CIA has been against Turkey securing the borders the entire time. CIA cannot move freely over the borders and the Kurds cannot sell their drugs as easily across the border. Also the dream of a 2nd Israel in the region is being destroyed as the Kurds bravery is on par with the IDF’s level of bravery.

Zalashji

How many Syrian civilian deaths and displacements were the result of Kurdish ethnic cleansing?

Real Anti-Racist Action

Kurds after all did commit the Armenian genocide and stole the Christian-Arabs lands and add the lands to their own. Kurds are excellent at ethnic-cleansing.

Kelli Hernandez

Kurds are in part. israhelli Jews they are occupiers

Johan

Do not support the lap dog of Erdogan , Trump Boycott Turkey: all products barcodes who start with 868 or 869 DO NOT BUY THEM. While your governement is doing nothing do not helpErdogan and Trump commit the next invasion and Turkish genocide on the only real protectors of the world against Islamic State.

John Wallace

Daeshbagsux.

FlorianGeyer

Daeshbagsux is a complete French zionist wanker who infects the al Masdar boards as well. :)

John Wallace

Yes I know . I have discussions with him all the time although I don’t think discussion is the right word..

Prince Teutonic

Encyclopedia guy…

Jacob Wohl's Nose

dude looks like a creature

xTheWarrior22

Do you know what happened to Wohl? He hasn’t been here for a while?. Got smashed by Semen’s forehead again? xD

Uncle Meat

Saw him on Friday but I have had enough of his bs (he posted 4x, replying to himself) so he’s blocked now.

xTheWarrior22

That’s the right decision.

Jacob Wohl's Nose

he’s probably in a Whol lot of pain right now over the US decision to withdraw XD

xTheWarrior22

He was the guy who said the US would protect the Kurds “at all costs”. Dude I can’t forget this xD A few days later they withdrew from the turkish border xD I bet this has hit him very hard. Hopefully he won’t use his tomehawk missile from his nose ;(

klove and light

should have studied the world history of traitors……. it rarely has a good ending for them…….

and as i have written here over and over again…….. the Story of the kurds in syria will end 2020……..no one in the syrian arab Population will Forget the atrocities commited by SDF/YPG in eastern syria, including the inhumane “forced recruitment” of Young Boys by SDF/YPG and all the ugly stories that come with it.

PZIVJ

These two in photo appear to look worried. They realize SDF can not hold this long open terrain. Do they even have any drones for recon of the ground ?

Phoron

This man fears what will happen to him, and others in his similar station, about being on the business-end of an angry mob betrayed by SDF.

Uncle Meat

Who are you referring to which were betrayed by the SDF?

EveryoneIsBiased

It seems like the deep state/borg in the US and their personal in liaison with the SDF tell them to hold out, to together force Trump to revert his course. That Trump does not clean house and installed people he can trust to enforce his policy on the ground is beyond me. Pentagon is doing what they want, and misusing the false kurdish hopes for their game against Trump. Though it wont matter anyway, Russia is busy bringing the old Adana agreement between Assad and Turkey back to life, and that will seal the fate of the US.

cristi cristikosk

nah maybe they will get help from their jewish friends https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10d1ba7de928c15fac71023bd3aca0f173ea8edc4ca3fb819a235ae2dd6fcacd.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f0e97ed8eef5284ef28663a80675918ca7b1d98d85a115730f7fd886f86d78fc.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a6e910f06970a53faa6cde2cb89aa1293bbaf253980513b4ced776761d748c60.jpg

Tommy Jensen

They do. There is a lot of rainbow troops among SDF.

Dawn

Thats what happens, when you build you politics on the dream and start believing to the illusion of your own might and power – which was lend to you by someone else…

Garga

Listening to them, instantly the fate of the so-called “Republic of Mahabad” came to my mind. It’s the exact same story but with the USSR in place of the US.

It’s not the first time this happened to them (in Iraq this happened at least 3 times, once by USSR and twice by US) and there’s no illusion that it won’t be their last time either. These dudes just hate history and refuse to learn from it, each time hoping the exact same manner which you described somehow brings a different result. Their leaders rarely pay for their mistakes, usually they happily go to exile with a paycheck, accommodation and protection until they are yet again needed by a foreign power for the next turmoil; leaving average Kurds on the receiving end of the stick.

BMWA1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOB-tkekEM

Panthera Pardus

how strange! Here the SDF managed to defeat single handed ISIS and to be noticed also the effort of the Quality journalism of the British which Shows Maps of Syria without a single Mention of Russia, Hezbollah and Assad ‘s Loyalist .. but anyway, how can it be that the brave kurds cannot defeat the Turks? ah the mystery

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/23/isis-defeated-us-backed-syrian-democratic-forces-announce

AM Hants

Must admit, when reading the Mail, it seriously winds me up when they completely ignore the fact that Russia, Iran and Syria have done most of the work, concerning taking out the terrorists that the West and media supports. Mail, Guardian, Independent, Telegraph, etc, etc, etc, same old rag, with different title.

Ralph London

True to form tho, AM, maybe at least they are consistent in their lying? But the elephant in the room is that they lie, lie, lie some more, repeat ad nauseum, and then they STILL expect their readers to believe them. If that isn’t f***ed in the head then I don’t know what is. I call it satanic, because that is the ONLY thing that fits. Try lying to your boss at work the way the Western msm does and see how long THAT is tolerated.

AM Hants

1913 – Tavistock Institute, so comes to mind. Isn’t the Tavistock Clinic, which is into gender re-alignment for children, heavily linked into the ‘mind control’ programme, devised by the Tavistock Institute? Not forgetting Integrity Initiative and Common Purpose, a couple of other branches of the Tavistock Institute.

ArcAngel

The answer is “yes”. As far as I can see, 100% of the current anti-Human insanity that is taking place worldwide, has its origins in TIHS. If not spawned there, it certainly is “upgraded” to modern times. Take care AMHants

AM Hants

Seriously sick, isn’t it? You take care as well.

ArcAngel

Demonstrably sick, yes it is. Thanks

Kelli Hernandez

True. But people, especially US and UK people, are especially stupid when it comes to US foreign policy. Trump hate has many Dem voters pissed that Kurds were not protected lol! Stupid stupid Americans.

AM Hants

Not necessarily true. Check out how many posters on this site are American and British? I admit to being seriously stupid and English, prior to 2014, but, when Ukraine kicked off, I woke up. Now I no longer vote, because any vote for Westminster, whatever party is a vote for genocide and ethnic cleansing, together with the Common Purpose script to erase all forms of life, as we know it.

Concrete Mike

The dems voters dont know shit though, these people are the zombies, that beleive the legacy media. Sadly its the same.people that control google amazon ect.

I used.to be one of these, but I changed, you know how i noticed all the media.was fucked? They all use the same structure and syntaxe for every story combined with proliferstion of aNonymous sources and my bs alarm would not stop.

igybundy

remember how the US single handedly defeated the Japanese? And the Germans?? Without ever mentioning it was the Red army that took on 90% of the Japanese and German armies in the field..

AJ

Great analogy

AM Hants

So true, and they did not even join in WWII till Russia had virtually sorted out their mates and sent Adolf back home. Well, the US declared war on Japan, following the Pearl Harvour, alleged ‘false flag’ and Germany, good friends of the US, then declared war on the US, for upsetting their good friends, over in Japan. Roosevelt, who was going to go for treasonous Dulles, finds himself in the next world, leaving Truman to take over. Who then decides to use the atomic bomb, on the innocent people of Japan, whilst having ‘a willy waving’ competition with Stalin. Trying to show him just how advanced the US nuclear programme was, courtesy of the friends of Dulles and Reinhard.

Typical Washington DC, they always come late to the party and demand first prize, for arriving. Hollywood, the greatest weapon the US ever created.

BMWA1

It’s because Kurds can’t change uniforms with Turks, unlike ISIS.

wwinsti

I went over the Wikipedia entry on the supposed battles fought by the SDF against ISIS. I found no mention of the SAA or Hezbollah in the listed combatants, just Russia.

igybundy

wiki is owned and run by a zionist.. It is the zionist view of the world in their eyes.. worthless for almost everything other than entertainment and not much there.

Mehmet Karaca

Exactly, there is no serious university in the world that accepts wiki as a citation resource in a scientific study. It is just an entertainment

Joseph Scott

That might have something to do with the TAF being a professional armour with AFVs, artillery, and air support. The TAF are the second-best trained military in the region. Rather different from IS.

Marvin Joel Zavala López

Rats killing traitors… Where’s my pop- corn???

cristi cristikosk

i don’ t now but i have some cold beer

AJ

Popcorn, beer, and watching some Rats and Traitors slaughter each other, my kinda night… I’ll have a nice cold one to that, Cheers!

MeMad Max

Kurds never did get it that their time was up once the obama regimes’ time was up…

Buh bye communist scum…

Joseph Scott

You still don;t understand that Democratic Confederalism isn’t Communism? Indeed, that it was designed expressly because it acknowledged that the all-powerful central state of Communism was oppressive?

Oh, wait, you actually believe US political parties exist and presidents actually decide thing too. Yeah, sorry, that cat’s been out of the bag since Woodrow Wilson. There is one party with two puppets: a blue one on it’s left hand and a red one on it’s right, used to confuse gullible and short-attention span individuals. Obama and Trump just read the script. This was planned out long before.

MeMad Max

Calling a turd by any other name doesnt change the fact that….

… its still a turd.

^.^

gtfo noob…

Joseph Scott

Democratic Confederalism is the most genuinely democratic and promising governance system that has appeared in the world so far. It’s a hundred times more democratic than anything happening in the USA. I suppose trying to explain anything that requires you to think about it is a waste of tire though.

AM Hants

Well, they had their chance, but, turned down all offers from Syria and Russia, and went with the US.

FlorianGeyer

It was the bright lights of Hollywood that drew the Kurds into the clutches of Mammon and Dunkin Doughnuts, AM.

The Kurds never looked at the thousands of homeless drug addicts on the streets of LosAngeles that are paved with needles and faeces, NOT gold. :)

Tommy Jensen

True, many have been sucked down by the shine when they too late discovered it was an illusion and there were no way they could reach it.

dutchnational

Nor was it their place to do so.

Barba_Papa

Truth be told neither does Hollywood care about those addicts and homeless. These days they are only interested in muh diversity, muh vagina and muh gender neutral toilets.

FlorianGeyer

And ‘muh’ dollars, Barba.

AM Hants

Out of curiousity, who created the Kurds and what year were they formed? You have got many that live peacefully in Turkey and then you have the various branches, who remind me of the Nomadic Turkic Tribes, that adopted Christianity, Judaism, Islam and learnt Hebrew, who are known as the Khazarians and AshkeNAZIs. The Kurdish branches, that are more than happy to settle where the majority of a nations natural resources lie, rather than in the poorer part of the habitat and cannot understand why the nation, has no desire to hand over their natural resources.

For some reason, I have got an image of Jihady John and his box of Dunkin Doughnuts, just hate to think what he uses for a dip. Will never be able to look at a Dunkin Doughnut in the same way. There again, never liked them to begin with. Don’t get me started on Jihady John, and his McDonald’s burger processor, when he fancies a burger or two.

FlorianGeyer

Just looking at a Dunkin Doughnut can expand waistlines, AM. :)

“The Kurds have lived in a mountainous, roughly 74,000-square-mile region known as Kurdistan for the past two millennia.”

https://www.infoplease.com/history/world/kurdish-history-timeline

“For nearly 3,000 years the Kurds have lived along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, the cradle of civilization. This places their beginnings at the very source of the nations and in the immediate vicinity of history’s most important events.”

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1113459/posts

I would add to this , that many Kurds are now settling in Europe , with more to come I would think :) Scotland would be a perfect home for them.

AM Hants

I had a seriously surreal day/evening involvinga Kurd, back in the early 80s. New Year’s Eve and I was doing some private work (nursing), for a very nice gentleman who happened to be Kurdish. His son turned up and for some reason invited me out to dinner. Well, it was either going home and having scrambled egg on toast or going with the invite. Being young and mercenary, I went with the invite. Which ended up with me being fed snails, in some nice French restaurant, with a marriage proposal thrown in and legging it from the restaurant. I am sure there is some pun to be found in ‘snails and marriage’, but, none come to mind at the moment, excluding my two husbands. Serves me right, but, a strange end to a very pleasant day.

FlorianGeyer

I prefer egg or cheese on toast . Snails and fancy food lead to all sorts of disasters.

Sadly, I know:)

AM Hants

Haha, you can say that again. Funnily enough, never tried Escargots after that and was not my choice in the first place. It was like having dinner in a mental asylum and God knows what made him propose?

It would not have been so memorable if I had gone for the scrambled eggs on toast. It was a surreal evening.

FlorianGeyer

” God knows what made him propose? ”

Because he had been searching all his life for a Goddess,AM ?

AM Hants

Do not think so. Seriously ‘One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest’.

FlorianGeyer

Lol.

AM Hants

Just been pointed to this site. It might interest you, but, owing to lengthy videos, might come in handy as background noise, whilst doing something. I like how she articulates facts.

Amazing Polly http://www.amazingpolly.net/

FlorianGeyer

I will listen to it tomorrow ,AM. It is true to say, I think, that the Law primarily serves those best who are in power.

Canada had an influx of refugees from Ukraine ,post WW2 of course. It is the offspring of these people now who are now involved in the tragedy of the Ukraine with the Carpet Bagger ‘community’ of Canada and the USA.

AM Hants

Allen Dulles and Operation Paperclip so comes to mind. What does one do with the brats of the so called Nazi and Bolshevik elite? When Planned Parenthood, sort to erase those that no doubt would have been a credit to the human race and ignored those whose future lives would possibly have made abortion acceptable?

FlorianGeyer

This may well interest you.

Norman Baker MP was never considered a maverick either.

“http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=196263”

“Abridged extract from … And What Do You Do? What The Royal Family Don’t Want You To Know, by Norman Baker, published by Biteback on Tuesday”

AM Hants

Cheers, not a fan of Norman Baker, but do not know why, as he was instrumental in going after the truth behind Dr David Kelly. Think it is Lib Dems and how I link them all to Common Purpose. He came across as the Tom Watson of the day. The Sovereign Grant, I have no problem with, owing to George III being bankrupt and handing over the Crown Estate to the Treasury, with a cut for the private bankers. Hence the Civvy List, which turned into the Sovereign Grant, under Common Purpose Member George Osborne. 85% of the Crown Estate to the Treasury and 15% to the Royal Household.

However, taking away the Royal Household contribution, to the Sovereign of the day, you also have the money that comes in via the Duchy of Lancaster. ‘… Another important source of income for the monarch is the Duchy of Lancaster, a private estate of commercial, agricultural and residential properties that dates back to 1265. It produced £19.2 million ($26 million) in income for the Queen during the most recent fiscal year. The Queen uses this money to pay for official and private expenses, including some costs incurred by other members of the royal family who undertake official engagements on her behalf…’, plus her own personal tax free investments. I have no problems with the latter coming under public scrutiny. The Queen Mother, weird when she was meant to be facing bankruptcy so often, that she left so much in her undisclosed will. I wonder how much went to her children and grandchildren?

No doubt, even if not a fan of Norman Baker, I will be more than happy to read articles connected to the will. Do you think it is just a coincidence that Royal Wills ended up being classified, a couple of years before the FED Reserve arrived?

What is it they say about Charity – isn’t it the easiest way to launder money? How many personal charities are the Royals involved in?

FlorianGeyer

” Coincidence ” is a much abused word by those who seek to deceive , and perhaps we will never know the real reasons for Royalty not wishing to accord with the laws of the land they are titular heads of.

Charity’s have become a problem inherited from the US , where the corrupt are able to launder untaxed wealth. The Charity Commission really needs to Up Its Game for the world as it is today and not what it was 100 years ago, in my opinion AM.

AM Hants

Not forgetting Gordon Brown, who decided it would be a good idea to politicalise charities, and send redundant politicans to sit on the many boards. That was after he sold our gold for rock bottom prices and raided the private pension funds. A lesson learnt from Maxwell, and no doubt Alistair Campbell, taught him the tricks of Maxwell. Whilst in rant mode, must not forget old Gordon, sneaking out in the middle of the night, to sign up to the Lisbon Treaty. Blair, Mandelson, Brown, Robertson and I wonder if Campbell and Jack Straw were part of the same club? Why did Robertson give Thomas Hamilton, a glowing reference, before he took out the kiddies in Dunblane?

FlorianGeyer

Robertson as we know is a queer and Hamilton was as well. ‘Birds of a feather stick together’.

AM Hants

Connecting the Royal Family to Coronation Street, has made me laugh. No doubt Julie Goodyear’s character Bet Lynch, was based on Princess Margaret, with Annie Walker the Queen Mother. Prince Charles – Ken Barlow and so much fun could be had connecting them all up. Princess Diana, well Liz McDonald, with Prince Harry in the role of Steve McDonald and Prince William, his sensible brother Andy. Princess Ann – now why does Gail Platt come to mind?

FlorianGeyer

Funnily enough the casting and scripts support your thoughts,AM.

AM Hants

Seriously could have a lot of fun going through the cast lists.

AM Hants

Part 3 – did enjoy the article and now onto this one from Truth Seeker, which no doubt, I will also enjoy.

George Soros: Billionaire Terrorist… http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=196258

AM Hants

From the George Soros article, over on Truth Seeker, he seriously is obsessed with Russia. Why is he using ‘kosher cash’, to encircle Russia, with his dodgy dealings?

‘…Poland. the recently installed nationalist/populist government of Poland—universally deemed, along with all other nationalist movements, as “extreme right wing” by the mainstream media myrmidons—has become a new target for Soros, the “stateless statesman” and international parasite.

According to an extensive article by Matthew Tyrmand of Breitbart on May 19, 2016, the Committee for Defense of Democracy (Komitet Obrony Demokracji, or KOD) sprang up shortly after Poles almost completely rejected the thoroughly corrupt major parties and remaining communist apparatchiks. This contrived “popular” opposition to the nationalists mirrors typical Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operations elsewhere and is designed to reintegrate the local population into the European Union and NWO…’

‘…In Armenia, which is closely allied with Russia as a defense against their hereditary Turkish enemies, a phony “popular” opposition to the government has arisen, as well, funded by the Soros-backed CIA-front group, the National Endowment for Democracy. Here, the purpose is again to destroy strong nationalist opposition to the globalists’ desired hegemony through carefully orchestrated mobocracy…’

‘…Such Soros initiatives bear close watching as they typically develop into violent, sociopathic uprisings. Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen recently exposed the deep roots of the erstwhile Hungarian’s harmful internationalism, which appear to include ties to organized terrorism.

According to Madsen, Soros began profitseeking infiltration efforts into Eastern Europe in 1984 through the Soros Foundation Budapest. After exploiting the “crash of 1987” for massive monetary gains, he started funneling what the CIA called “kosher cash” into anti-communist opposition groups to destabilize the government of then-Czechoslovakia. Soros financially supported Charter 77 and the likes of future Czech leader Vaclav Havel. But a declassified, redacted CIA report raises the question of whether anti-communist terror bombings at the time may also have been funded or even authorized by Soros.

What is not in question is Soros’s involvement in numerous similar activities for decades across the world. Hungary, Serbia, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, and Kazakhstan as well as Egypt, Syria, and Iraq have all experienced the societally detrimental effects of Soros’s provocations…’

FlorianGeyer

In my opinion, the Zio Kikes and their forbears have always coveted the largest country in the world and it’s almost inexhaustible wealth in productive land and and mineral resources.

The Zios thought they had seized the Russian assets during the 90’s, and in Bidens words as he and his son discussed a dodgy investment deal in China in recent years, ” There is enough money for everyone”. It was just a return to the Zio rape and pillage of Russia in the 90’s. Madeline Albright famously said about Russia ” It’s just not fair that Russia has all those resources”.

Soros is just another Zio sociopath who hates ALL people and worships money along with the power that it brings. The only cure for that illness is Death and Soros is of an age where will soon be a corpse.

AM Hants

Talking about Madelaine Albright doing her Violet Elizabeth ‘I shall scream’ impersonation, it has reminded me of the US doing the same, with regards whinging that Russia won’t let them have access to the Northern Arctic Route. Not forgetting, that the US have not signed the ‘Law of the Sea Convention’, which controls the Arctic. The irony, when you look at how many seas, the US wishes to keep Russia out of, including their own.

US wants Russia to stop being stingy & share its Arctic waters with the world… https://www.rt.com/business/470954-us-russia-arctic-waters/

With regards Soros, sadly his sons are just as bad and ready to carry on. One article I read, was one of his kids, who is married was married to a Schiff, was trying to make out on a long distance flight, with his mistress, in full view of everybody, for most of the flight, whilst his wife was sat a few rows behind. The thought of anybody wanting to make out with a Soros, had my tonsils rushing to the S Bend, but, what type of deviant would put his wife through the pantomine? Not sure why she had booked on to the same flight as him and his mistress, in the first place.

FlorianGeyer

The US is ‘All at Sea’ with foreign policy and has been for decades. Its the Thunberg style foreign policy. All scripted as a fantasy wish list without a realistic ending.

As for Soros jnr, I would think that a Schiff wife would be a match made in hell for them both. That being the case, Soros jnr was likely just demonstrating his power over his wife, because he can.

Joseph Scott

You’ve actually got that backwards. It’s Syria that has been turning down their offers since 2014.

AM Hants

Do not think so. Remind me, but, why do the Kurds, the nomadic Turkic tribe, believe that Syria owes them anything, let alone control of their natural resources.

Russia and Syria asked them to be at peace with Syria, and the sovereign nation laid down some safe conditions, which the Kurds rejected. Believing they would get a better deal from the illegal invaders, the US.

Joseph Scott

No, just the opposite. The SDC stated they did not desire Independence from Syria, and suggested that if Assad would forma new, secular Constitution guaranteeing equal rights fro all citizens, and abolish Islamic law in favour of secular law, they would accept Syrian sovereignty. Their deal was extremely reasonable, but Assad was afraid he would look weak if he gave them what they were asking for.

AM Hants

Riddle me this, but, isn’t Syria a secular nation?

Joseph Scott

Not totally. For example, child marriages were still tolerated out in the backwater areas, which the SDC did not care for. Syria is legally speaking, better than places like Saudi Arabia, but it is not 100% secular, no.

AM Hants

What does a secular nation mean?

‘…A secular state is an idea pertaining to secularity, whereby a state is or purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion…’

So, some backwater village, no doubt with just a few families, of one religion, who embrace child marriages, does not make it majority rule. Romania, over in Europe, do they not celebrate child marriage, together with the Gypsy Community, throughout Europe?

Ironically, wasn’t Afghanistan also a secular nation, once upon a time?

All faiths celebrating Christmas in Aleppo.

Christmas in liberated Aleppo! Merry Christmas to all! … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vNBLdVjb3c

Joseph Scott

You’ve rather deliberately missed the point. This was allowed under Syrian law. Syrian law allowed various archaic Islamic customs of this kind. It is not a purely secular legal system.

AM Hants

I have not missed the point, at all. Do no even know why I am bothering to reply to your comments.

Does President Assad Govern a secular nation, yes or no? Is President Assad the democratically, elected leader of the sovereign nation, yes or not? So why should the SCD tell him how to run his nation? Who are the SCD?

The official Syrian Civil Defence, work with their President, do they not? The Western funded, White Helmets, who decided to take the name of the SCD, have nought to do with Syria. Now remind me, who funds the White Helmets, who pose as the SCD?

EXCLUSIVE: The REAL Syria Civil Defence Exposes Fake ‘White Helmets’ as Terrorist-Linked Imposters…

‘…“Running operations through Blackwater gave the CIA the power to have people abducted, or killed, with no one in the government being exactly responsible.” ~ The Atlantic, 2012…

…White Helmets founder Le Mesurier, who graduated from Britain’s elite Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, is said to be an ‘ex’ British military intelligence officer involved in a number of other NATO ‘humanitarian intervention’ theatres of war, including Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq, as well as postings in Lebanon and Palestine. He also boasts a series of high-profile posts at the UN, EU, and UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office. Not to mention his connections back to the infamous Blackwater (Academi)…

…With over $60 million in their back pocket courtesy of USAID, the UK Foreign Office and various EU nations like the Netherlands, this group is possibly one of the most feted and funded entities within the west’s anti-Syrian NGO complex, a pivotal part of the clandestine shadow state building enterprise inside of Syria.

Like many other ‘NGOs’, the White Helmets have been deployed by the west to derail the Syrian state, first by undermining existing civic structures and by disseminating staged PR to facilitate regime change propaganda, through western and Gulf state media outlets. Despite the fact that they were started, and are still generously funded by NATO members states, particularly from the US and UK, the White Helmets’ official statement still claims categorically that they are somehow “fiercely independent” and “have accepted no money from governments, corporations or anyone directly involved in the Syrian conflict“. This is both farcical and deeply misleading…

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b873414891ef1e5ebb44dfe82acff69e2cf18d241e93314cb5c74910c72aff75.jpg

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a51e0616f572d262d14ceda562ec15063dfec346b8a22d40782f9ebf69a86b45.png

https://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/23/exclusive-the-real-syria-civil-defence-expose-natos-white-helmets-as-terrorist-linked-imposters/

………………….

George Soros: Anti-Syria Campaign Impresario…

‘…“In some countries, local NGOs also have been funded to mount “people power” campaigns. As in the recent “color revolutions,” these campaigns are aimed at opening up political regimes to opposition parties and ousting leaders who were holding onto power through irregular methods. Viewed more broadly, all these programs supporting NGO activities and capacity-building are seen as ways to foster the progressive emergence of a broad civil society, one that both supplements the state in providing for public needs and makes governments more responsive to their populations.” …’

…You may be asking why is this relevant to the BBC truth distortion. As explanation, please consider the inclusion of the BEEB in the Open Democracy website. Then have a look at the Open Democracy impressive list of funders and donors. No surprise for many of you that George Soros, Open Society Foundation is on that list. In fact, the only “philanthropic” mogul missing is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Then, let us consider who holds the purse strings of the majority of the primary propaganda rings and regime change facilitating NGO elements in Syria…’

…The yellow brick road of Neocon ambitions and imperialist missions- impossible in Syria leads unerringly to the global chaos strategist, George Soros, pedalling furiously behind his NGO Humanitarian shield.

First a reminder from The Wrong Kind of Green’s NGO myth shattering article, Syria, Avaaz, Purpose, the art of selling hate for Empire.

“It should not be considered a coincidence that at the same time, a polished, sophisticated and highly financed “Save Syria” campaign is being created in the board rooms of the Empire’s favourite Harvard boys.

Where, under the organization Avaaz, the public hasn’t acquiesced to an air strike on Syria, the New York public relations firm Purpose Inc. has stepped in.”

[Purpose’s partnership with Soros, Open Society Foundation is highlighted in same article]…’

Read more: https://21stcenturywire.com/2016/04/22/george-soros-anti-syria-campaign-impresario/ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/471a273d91a2ae59817755216c02275993d730fc2f6efc13fd30dbcd9d30aeab.jpg

Joseph Scott

You are quite confused. We are talking about the SDC, not the SCD, and they, the Syria Democratic Council, have nothing to do with the White Helmets, so all of that was superfluous and irrelevant. Also, they are people in live in his country, wanting it to be more democratic and equal than it is, because it has some serious limits in that direction. Not unreasonable.

AM Hants

Sorry, is there a difference between the two? Assumed they were run by the same old crowd.

Joseph Scott

Completely different. White Helmets are an MI6 information operation out to discredit Syria and Russia by using modern theatrical techniques to frame them for war crimes.

The Syrian Democratic Council are the Democratic Confederalist movement of Rojava, to which the Syrian Democratic Forces are the military branch. They are based around the Kurdish movement, but include other people of the Rojava region who are of the same world view. The Syrian Democratic Forces are their military arm. They absorbed the handful of genuinely moderate Syrian rebels back when FSA was taken over buy jihadists. Democratic Confederalksm is an extremely forward thinking ideology which may be the most genuinely democratic attempt at governance going on the planet right now, having for more real democracy than any of the Western representative democracies, or the US oligarchy. I suggest reading about it. It’s actually pretty interesting. Unlike the White Helmets, they have never been out to frame Syria or Russia for anything, and only want to live their lives in Syria according to their principles, which include equal rights for all inhabitants regardless of gender, ethnicity or religion. They have never attempted to proclaim Rojava an independent country, despite a persistent disinformation campaign that accused them of such.

They are only affiliated with the US because they had no one else to turn to when Assad rejected their offers, and the Constitutional Council negotiating Syria’s new constitution got hung up in deadlock.

US troops like them because they are actually democratic and interested in fighting IS rather than defecting to them unlike all the other forces the US supports. The US government is abandoning them precisely because they aren’t a lot of pliant mercenaries who will do whatever they are told. Though they have gotten into skirmishes with local militias that happen to technically be in the SAA in a vague sense, of local religious and legal issues, they have never attacked Assad’s forces properly speaking, nor expressed any interest in doing so. They have ideals, and the US has no use for that. Hence, they got left to the Turks.

Completely different people, and kinds of people. Life isn’t black and white, and viewing things in a simplistic black and white manner is always wrong whichever side you take.

dutchnational

Seems you do not know the meaning of the word Turkic. It means speaking a language related to turkish. In fact kurds speak an Iranian language. There are several related iranian languages that used to be called kurdish, like Luri.

AM Hants

Khazarians, learnt Hebrew, yet, they originated from the Nomadic Turkic Tribe, did they not? How many branches of Nomadic Kurds, can be found today and when were the later branches created?

Funny, how their actions are so similar to the Nomadic Turkic Tribes, such as the Khazarians and the AshkeNAZIs? I wonder if you broke down the DNA or the newer branches of the Kurds, just what you would find and if they would link into the Nomadic Turkic Tribes, known as the Khazarians and AshkeNAZIs, who adopted Islam, Judea and Christianity, whilst learning Hebrew? The clue being Nomadic Tribes.

‘…The Kurdish Language And Traditional Way Of Life

The Kurdish language is a West Iranian language related to Persian and Pashto. The Kurds are thought to number from 25 million to 30 million, including communities in Armenia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Syria, and Europe, but sources for this information differ widely because of differing criteria of ethnicity, religion, and language; statistics may also be manipulated for political purposes.

The traditional Kurdish way of life was nomadic, revolving around sheep and goat herding throughout the Mesopotamian plains and the highlands of Turkey and Iran. Most Kurds practiced only marginal agriculture. The enforcement of national boundaries beginning after World War I (1914–18) impeded the seasonal migrations of the flocks, forcing most of the Kurds to abandon their traditional ways for village life and settled farming; others entered nontraditional employment…’

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kurd

Damien C

Looking for help from SAA while displaying the CIA flag

Syria’s outline does not include the Eurphrates as a seperation zone

jorge

Hey Kurds, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbD_kBJc_gI

StafJustice

Kurds were warned long a go that they’ll be abandoned by the USA and so need to come back to Damascus…. They traitors were behaving like drunkards… Guess who warned then,?? Nasrallah….(Hezbollah)

Rhodium 10

Kurds watched how Turkish took Afrin and USA didnt anything to help them!..again SDF have been naive!

Cronos Sin Apellidos

Estaba claro de hace años lo que pasaría (EU no tiene amigos, solo intereses), y muchos lo dejaron por escrito: https://jhrcronos.weebly.com/jugadas-de-geopoliacutetica/los-kurdos-cerca-de-la-independencia-o-de-perderlo-todo

Andrei

If they are smart They will create a force of 5000 people and they will go in whit full force, but they will wait until enemie is close by,hiding no shoots to be fire while enemie approach 300 metre, a U shape trap Turkish terrorists they won’t be able to withstand such fire power even if is only Kalashnikov fire power, I will unleash no mercy on Turkish terrorists absolutely every single 1 annihilate And not the last thing almost forgotten NEVER EVER EVER TRUST AMERICANS

gustavo

Kurds must ask to USA and ISrael for help, forget Syria and Russia. Kurds (USA-ISrael puppets) are just traitor to Syria land.

jim crowland

Noble Kurds, release the Isis prisoners, cut a deal with them, the will all wear bomb vests and march towards the ottomans

DaBoiiiii

Lol, they will cut a deal, then proceed to stab the Kurds in the back just like everyone else.

Prince Teutonic

They are crying for a no-fly zone as that would save them! Turks still can use their artillery and armour which they possess in abundance!

abuqahwa

Correct – a no-fly-zone is a non-starter – do the Kurds imagine that US/FR/GB would enforce a NFZ and actually shoot down a fellow NATO aircraft ?? As it is Turkey will whip the SDF/YPG using precision artillery (extended range guided) firing from inside Turkey well within range of Kurdish positions north of M4 plus attack helicopters (shoot and scoot)

Mehmet Karaca

In addition even if that happened TAF can hit SDF targets within well beyond Turkish borders. Also in so called ‘trench battles’ in Turkey which occured in urban areas against PKK, there was no air force bombed the cities. They inflict some casualties but eventually they lost heavily. I think propaganda from west made them believe themselves as super warriors or something. We all saw what they are made of against ISIS without US planes let alone Turkish army

RichardD

The US is unlikely to get involved in the conflict beyond a support role. Which they will almost certainly supply. And which will exacerbate matters considerably for the Turks. The Turks will be able to drive down to the M4 over time and clear the SDF and Kurd political elements north of the M4. But it won’t be a cake walk or a stable security situation.

Right now the Turks are in predominantly Arab majority areas. Where they have some support among the populace unhappy with the Kurdish administration. Once they get into the Kurdish majority areas they’ll face more resistance.

The solution is to get the Syrians involved as partners. Both to clear the SDF and Kurdish administration south of the M4 to the Iraqi border. And to relieve the Turks of the burden of running the unsafe zone north of the M4.

Mehmet Karaca

I agree, unlike some other comments you have some knowledge about the region. Middle east is always about the ‘tribes’. Whoever stronger they will join them. After the major operations completed I think demoghraphic structure also will be changed as more Arabs resettle the area. After all only %10 percent of the Syrian people are Kurds

Andrei

Some people may not agree with me from what I said earlier in my message. But if you look at the history of wars ,army’s with the biggest amount of man power almost always has the upper hand,in wars, I do understand that they will be loses among soldiers but you have higher chances of upholding the attacker,. And not only this you can destroy a army by just destroying their fighting moral, Putting fear on minds of the enemy… Correct me if I am wrong… By the way Turkey is doing exactly what I just said… ????

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