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The self-administration of Northeastern Syria, a political wing of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), announced on October 13 evening that it had reached a deal with the Damascus government.
The deal says the Syrian Army will enter into the SDF-controlled area in order to protect the Syrian border from the Turkish military intervention (Operation Peace Spring).
According to reprots, by the morning of October 14, Syrian Army units will enter the towns of Manbij and Kobani. Some sources say that the SAA will also enter into al-Tabqah. However, these reports still have to be confirmed.
Self Administration of NE Syria announces an agreement with Syrian Government to protect Syrian borders with SDF against Turkey. It will also help liberating all areas from Turkey including Afrin pic.twitter.com/aatRDChDJN
— Mutlu Civiroglu (@mutludc) October 13, 2019
Syria’s state-run news agency SANA announced that the Syrian Army is now “moving north to confront Turkish aggression on Syrian territory”
“This movement comes to confront the ongoing Turkish aggression on towns and areas in the north of Hasaka and Raqqa provinces, where the Turkish forces committed massacres against locals, occupied some areas, and destroyed infrastructure,” SANA said.
North-Press reporter: Deployment of the Syrian Governmental Forces on the outskirts of Manbij city in preparation for their entry @NPA_SY pic.twitter.com/ukm73Ozx3T
— Wladimir (@vvanwilgenburg) October 13, 2019
Surprise! Surprise! This is good news as the war will finally be over soon.
Kurds can take Idlib for regime and assad & russia help Kurds so much fair.
Now everything comes together as it belongs: SAA and Kurds united citizens defending their home country against Turkish occupation. Even though some here seems to favor those Jihadi sponsoring Idlib controlling Turks over this marvelous win of Russian and Iranian diplomacy.
And the US is out! Thanks, Lord.
IMHO I’d put it like follows: the turks threaten to attack to make the US forces leave (a common desire for Turkish leadership and Syrian/Russian alliance). then the turks actually begin a limited offensive to push the US forces out (1000+ servicemen). when the US forces leave and Kurds begin having more and more casualties they’ll have no other choice but turn to Damascus (Russia wil not agree to help them without Damas cooperation). the Syrian Arab Army will advance to the areas that have been closed to them by Kurds and US forces peacefully and without losses. the Turkish offensive will stop as their communicated objective was to get kurds away from Syrian-Turkish border and by SAA arrival Syrian government will resume control of the Borders and northern area. ->All parties win: -Trump got his troops home (he was compaining for it since before elections). -Turkey limited the kurdish influence and presence along its border. with minimal losses also proved to the US it has an independent policy and its interests should be respected. -Syrian Government Got back nearly 1/6 of its lands and avoided a long term presence of US troops and in worst case scenario independence of kurdish region without losses. -Russia got a big win Vs the US without spending a single shot with it’s Syrian allies and proved it can play chess really well even with multiple parties involved.
Lets hope it goes like this.
Turkey intention is still to occupy land of syria to give this terrorist land and support that why they threatening to attack SAA if they move to the border.Turkey doesn’t want SAA to control border. turn want terrorist to control.
maybe. but they did not announce that. they announced their goal is to “free borders from terrorist groups” so politically if the borders are “free from terrorists” they can back off and not look like they lost. also reportedly the EU and the US are preparing sanctions. Russia is teeling them to let SAA assume control + if they fight SAA they will face waay more losses then these 6 days fighting kurd light infantry. all factors united I wouldn’t thinks the turks would choose to face that shitstorm (especially that kurds can run to Irak and then back to Syria so technucally turkey can’t exterminate them). Occupation of Syrian Land will 100% mean clashes with SAA either now or in few years when the SAA power is restored. so that is not an option for Turkey. too much losses.
Most of these kurds are not Syrian and are just too afraid to fight when the yankies left. President Assad will kick them out when he gets rid of the turks.
They are fighting right now. It is, however, rather difficult to fight mechanised forces with air support when you have neither adequate anti-tank weapons nor anti-airn weapons, both of which the US avoided giving to the SDF.
All of which indicates the YPG leadership severely over played their hand – refusing to deal with Damascus, in any realistic manner, and talking themselves up as a major player, from well behind a small number of US servicemen.
They tried. For 5 years. He rebuffed their attempts. For 5 years. That’s why American troops are there. They had no one else to turn to, because Assad wouldn’t work something out with them.
Do you believe in Santa and his reindeer’s too?
You know, their struggles to work out a deal, particularly with the Syrian Constitutional Council, have actually been pretty well documented right here on Southfront. Don’t try to pretend I’m crazy just because you have a short attention span or short-term memory.
The YPG leadership have proved themselves remarkably incompetent and self-deluded. Self-grandiosity is another form of self-destruction.
Compared to who? Look at what happened to Syria. They haven’t done any worse than Assad, taken as a whole. He simply had his disasters all befall him earlier. Sometimes life doesn’t offer you a lot f good options, and one well-intended misstep costs a lot.
Oh i i fou another one with sanity and logic and proof and hatred & racist free brain that talks truth! Couldnt said any better.
“They tried…….” Assad tried too. i think the reason it failed was that when the Kurds had all those meetings to democratically make a decision, they based this decision on what they thought was ‘best for the Kurds’, instead of on ‘what is best for the country’ and so they came up with something that was not acceptable to Assad. In a democracy the majority wins, and the majority is rarely the wisest. Since the Kurds also live in Syria they should understand and respect Assad’s point of view also. Syria is a difficult country to rule.
Ironically, I think it was the non-Kurds in SDC/SDF that were more the obstacle on their side. The Kurds in SDC are actually not really anti-Assad per se, but some of of the SDC Arabs are. (Those were the handful of real “moderate Syrian rebels” everyone kept talking about. They all fled to the SDC when the FSA became radicalised.
I think that Assad was also concerned about looking weak if he gave in to demands from anyone. This situation makes him look stronger, because they are asking for his help, and he is protecting the borders of Syria.
It’s a favourable outcome, it’s just too bad it couldn’t have been managed earlier.
You are so right about majorities! But when you think about it from a statistical perspective, that must be so.
Well, I think that Democratic Confederalism could actually be a very useful way to govern a country as diverse as Syria. I hope Assad will recognise that in the negotiations later.
There’s no time to waste. the SAA have to enter Northern Syria now if they don’t want Turkey to try and conquer more territory.
Total agreement here. Every minute counts, almost litterally. Pragmatism must prevail over longstanding feuds that will have to be dealt with on the longer run and in good faith. But for that to happen the common foe and its imperial ambition must be stopped dead in their tracks.
Imperial ambition and returning to Ottoman times is just talk and bluster. Erdogan just ants to look good and have a buffer line which he will put the militias in, NOT TURKISH ARMY. The Turks aren’t this destroyer of a fighting force. They aren’t even willing to put their own soldiers in the firing line, and no matter how bad this advance goes their priority will still be to not get soldiers killed, which is not viable because they’re relying on a bunch of traitorous rats to do their fighting. These rats aren’t anything special, they are the weaker militias that got whipped by HTS and ISIS. Once these rats are expended, the Turks will have nothing. They will not send a legit army to Syria. Maybe a few units in support in the rear, but nothing significant. They are betting on rats. Much like Israel wanted the South Lebanese Army as a buffer.
It would be foolhardy though to make an unplanned dash for the northern Syrian borders unless there are already preparations for logistics and air defence planning.
The US is the ‘nigger in the woodpile’, and a volatile one at that.
I know it’s an unpopular idea but the SAA are also stretched mighty thin and don’t have all that many capable combat units to spare – one thing at a time. I wonder if this is a good time to invade Idlib while the TAF is so busy “liberating” Rojava?
Bingo – that is my thought pattern as well.
I agree, Vitex.
There is of course the consideration that many head choppers are now murdering Kurdish civilians and the numbers in Idlib have been reduced.
However it will take a concerted push on the last head chopper bastions before troops are redeployed from Idlib, in my opinion.
But then ,I am certainly not privy to the resources that Syria’s allies are willing to use in Idlib. The Father of all Bombs would be a good start perhaps?
Something is obviously afoot and only history ( not Hollywood history) will reveal that.
I wouldn’t say it is stretched thin. the 1st corps (4th Armored Division) is in the south that’s it’s role to protect Damascus (with the republican guard). the 2nd and 3rd corps are already in the center (east to cover the Tanaf area controlled by the US but mostly homs governorate and link with the Latakya Tartous region ). 4th corps is positioned in northern Hama/Southern Idlib will hold positions there and act as support to forces going north/north east. the forces most likely to be sent to the north of Aleppo for now are elitest Tiger Forces + 5th Volunteers Corp (the 2 formations who worked tightly with Russians during past 4 years) and do not forget it’s been nearly a year since last high intensity fighting the reforms in the army with recrutement organisation and training is advancing (the Syrians even demonstrated a new Battalion near damascus last month trained by Russian SOF)
Well, I hope so. But time will tell.
I thought Trampa was potus now not Hussein.
More importantly, this operation will only have substance to the degree that Russia is prepared to back Syria up at the sharp end. The Turks have no respect for the SAA, and have even said they would attack them if they tried to interfere, so unless Russian troops are going along and Russia is providing air cover, it’s not going to mean much.
Yea Russia’s been quiet. There must be some kind of agreement between ergodin and Putin I hope Putin hasn’t sold the Syrians out
Well, I just now came across one encouraging sign: the VKS hit an SNA column, so it seems they are offering at least some support to the SAA. https://twitter.com/rojavanetwork/status/1183518363840143360
Who are the vks
Russian Aerospace Forces: Vozdushno-kosmicheskiye sily.
Cool
IMHO I’d put it like follows: the turks threaten to attack to make the US forces leave (a common desire for Turkish leadership and Syrian/Russian alliance). then the turks actually begin a limited offensive to push the US forces out (1000+ servicemen). when the US forces leave and Kurds begin having more and more casualties they’ll have no other choice but turn to Damascus (Russia wil not agree to help them without Damas cooperation). the Syrian Arab Army will advance to the areas that have been closed to them by Kurds and US forces peacefully and without losses. the Turkish offensive will stop as their communicated objective was to get kurds away from Syrian-Turkish border and by SAA arrival Syrian government will resume control of the Borders and northern area. (and the turks wouldn’t like fighting vs actual army with heavy armor) ->All parties win: -Trump got his troops home (he was compaining for it since before elections). -Turkey limited the kurdish influence and presence along its border. with minimal losses also proved to the US it has an independent policy and its interests should be respected. -Syrian Government Got back nearly 1/6 of its lands and avoided a long term presence of US troops and in worst case scenario independence of kurdish region without losses. -Russia got a big win Vs the US without spending a single shot with it’s Syrian allies and proved it can play chess really well even with multiple parties involved.
Lets hope it goes like this.
i read about RuAF implementing a no fly zone as we speak. i guess the deal must be in a political way only for now, meaning that only small units of SAA will enter the territory just to have the Syrian flag on a high building. Politics will take over , that is Russia informing Turkey that its the SAA and the Russian forces that have control of this or that town now, thus they are of limits for their criminal army
How is your German? Could that be?
‘This morning in the Free West, the robber gun is everywhere to read that now the Syrian Kurds and Bashar al-Assad have allied and Damascus send his victory-spoiled troops to the north to stop the advance of the Turks (for example, here).
The true truth, of course, was to be read on the 8th of October at the Réseau Voltaire, fresh from Damascus, where Thierry Meyssan is in exile; that is the Upper Turk, the Central Iranians and the Upper Russian had concluded a secret agreement on the Kurds, according to which to return to the Arab State Association according to the Russian plan Northeastern Syria but this does not mean any more administrative rule out of Damascus, because with the new constitution Syria will become a “cultural federation”.’ http://staatsstreich.at/syrien-ohne-donald-emmanuel.html
Nah, the SAA can wait this out. People act like Turkey is some big-shot that will occupy and be immovable. They ain’t. The Turks will start copping big losses eventually, and their advance/occupation will get dicey. SAA can let both sides bleed out. SAA doesn’t owe any of these fools anything. Unless someone comes with a mad offer for them, in which case why not.
I agree with you the Turks aren’t a big problem. more so I really believe their mission will be over when SAA will control the Areas now belongig to SDF. the turks said the objective is to get kurds away from border so if SAA controls border = mission accomplished. but I do not agree on the fact that they will sustain heavy losses. first the Turkish Army is a heavy armored fighting force with overwhelming Air Superiority. the Kurds have no Anti Armor weaponry (Vs ISIS that capability was held by US/UK SOF) and have no way to challenge air superiority so they have really slim chances to inflict damage to the Turks more so the op is not a large scale offensive as you see the areas occupied by the turks is really small (compare it to the Russian Advance vs Georgia in 2008 which was in very similar situations heaby armor advantage and air superiority). so yes I do not think the turks are really seriously fighting. IMHO they are just waiting for the US to leave and for the kurds to ask help from Damascus and the military op is just to fastforward things.
Look at that map above. The “inferred” area that the SAA + allies will go into is absolutely perfect for now, as it cuts of the NW vermin who now are blocked on 3 sides.
The Turks and SDF can get it on together until the SAA cleanse the NW.
Now suply the SDF with surface to air weapons, so they can defend the regio.
I thought the US gave them heaps of MANPADs?
No, that was what they avoided giving them most.
Nope. They are never to be trusted.
I hope it stays real and asaad & russia do not betray kurds again so syrian war will be over when kurds join syrian army (not SAA syrian arab army)
“Betray Kurds again”?? LOL
republic of mahabad and the soviets the kurds get hung out to dry by outsde powers done using them threwout history
SAA and Russia never betrayed the Kurds. In the beginning of the war when USA trained ISIL and Al Nusra SAA supplied Kurds with weapons. Then Russia engaged and USA desided to enter eastern Syria and create SDF (30%former IS). In fact Kurds have Russian blood on their hand attacking Wagner while they chased IS east of Der Ez Zor. Americans did the worst, but Kurds initiated them. Oil fields was also a serious factor.
Don’t forget the gas plant the Kurds stole then when Russian Mercs tried to get it back the Americans slaughtered hundreds of them if I was Assad I would be very harsh on these Kurdish fucksnmake their leadership get on their knees and beg for help
i think he means when russia betrayed the kurds republic of mahabad
Read my reply above i dont repeat it again.
You hope Assad and Russia don’t betray the Kurds? What war have you been following? The Kurds turned their back on the SAA and all Syrians. Who controls the oil and selling it to Israel and won’t sell it to their Syrian brothers and sisters. The only reason Kurds made.a deal with SAA is because America turned their backs on Kurds and turkey coming for them
he may be talking about the republic of mahabad being betrayed by the soviets there is a history of kurds getting supported by variouse powers for self determination then getting left to the wolves when there done using them
Turn back?! Whenever syria & assad helped kurds? Kurds of syria after assadis even were not given birth certificate so what treachery to whom?! When haffez assad killed kurds when in 2004 bashar massacred kurds in qamishli football match instead of bringing truce what can you say about their crimes! PYD after 2015 many times asked bashar for autonomy and kurdish recognise kurdish rights even russia told assad but they didnt listen! For 5 fucking years asked assad to recognise and help them so they will do too and when no answer they got when they were overrun by turkish isis at kobane they needed weapons assad didnt and if wanted to couldnt that time so when you should defend your hoke your mother you take weapon even from UFOs even zionists believe me, so stop this shi and spiting out nonsense baseless words.
The Kurds have themselves to blame for their inability to remember their history and follow leaders that are doing things for their own agenda.
I can agree with you yet innocent lives is what i worry about more.
What else is there but the SAA, officially anyway?? Strange comment.
Turkler needs to back down now before anyone gets hurt….
I love the courageous mainstream media – reporting from Turkey or Iraq with a flak vest on. The world loves a talking head
Super, great job folks.
About time ,the Russian and Syrian government must put pressure on the SDf so they can move towards more territory . At the same time they must pressure the Iraqis government to control the iraqis border around the Syrian kurds and Iraqi Kurds territory,once this tale place they must remind the kurds that the USA military force dont possess the geography advantage to stay or to support any longterm troops in the region and they will be left or they own destruction unless they side with the Syrian government and which is the only true and reasonable things to,others wise they will be hunt like prey by Turks and they will be name enemies of the states.Dam I should have join the political branch of the USA military but as an observer that would of be my plan of action.
And the same North Press Agency now claim American forces are preventing SAA from entering Manbij
https://twitter.com/NPA_SY/status/1183477725132218368
A source from the #Syrian_government to North Press: #US forces located in their points in the outskirts of western #Manbij city prevent the Syrian army from entering the area and repel the Turkish aggression.
Don’t count your chickens……
If true, which I doubt, it will be short lived. Is the US really going to attack Russian embedded troops and risk WW3? We’re not talking mercenaries, but real Russian soldiers.
https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1183493930106658816
It is astonishing that the US is cooperating at all with Syria and her allies. I hope this trend continues and they fully leave the country.
I think Trump has pretty much no desire to be in Syria at all, he has just been stopped by the deep state Borg from leaving.
the US of farces need newly designed body bags clearly marked war criminals do not pass go before stop over at the Hague.
As a big picture the coordination between US and Turkey is obvious. Trump threats are just pure shit as most of the time are. Remain to see what Russia and Iran will do. I feel like there was an agreement among some powers about this sudden turkish operation. I found risky to replace US troops with turkish forces as there is a huge quality difference and we might see an Yemen reloaded war like. In addition Kurds, SDF and SAA will fight togheter now. What a surprise present Assad has received!!! WTF was in the operation planners heads ???
peace and f ing the radical zioterrorists.
If the Turks are killing civilians, then it’s good that SAA is moving in. I knew the Syrian gov’t would help the Kurds if asked.
Well the time has come sooner than expected for the SAA to impose control over this nightmare. Russia will have to reign in Erdogon and along with the SAA impose a no fly zone, Iran will also be needed to mussel up Erdogon is as treacherous as they come, however, he may have been in cahoots with his Asanta partners in order to force Yanki War Mongers out of the equation. and the region. If this is the case it is a win win for all, except the backstabbing Kurds. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out from here on.
Call me a pessimist and nay Sauer but the US still has two darn good sized military air and land bases in Kurdish held area, plus quite a few spread throughout, and nowhere are thei official words on what deal package is. Let’s not forget there are three competing Kurdish groups, each who have not realy settled who would rule and where, and in past each spilled others blood, and one arm is indeed what Turkey calls a domestic terrorist threat. That group is not group who for last 2 years recieved tons of war materials including lots of anti armor misdiles, and billions of dollars. Syria cannot just go running Willy nilly to North bypassing hundreds of ISIS and other offshoot. Look at maps and measure depth Turkey wants as buffer zone, how large an area will still be in Kurd control? Who believes Russia would take on Turkish troop?
false—the SDF is well known to be a subset of the PKK, both nominally quasi marxist; the Kurds in N Iraq r politically/ideologically distinct (peshmerga). They may be different but they do not militarily clash..While the Turkish forces r inferior to Russian, there is no benefit to either to engage in armed conflict
conditions remain unsettled; in 3 months we will know more
i really hope its true for Syrias sake. The Kurds chose their fate long ago ,they deserve whats coming to them.
when terrorrists and dancing child burners lose or die….its always a good thing. However the root of the problem is the grip banksters and warmongers have over our western govs
Lets free Syria from all foreign terrorist and Turkish invaders. Lets see what Putin will do. Will he help Assad or will he step aside? Will he provide any kind of millitary support?
Sorry, I’m confused. Is this good news or bad news? Won’t it complicate matters and prolong the battle even more?