he “Adir” jets first flight in Israel. Pictured: “Adir” jet and F-16I “Sufa”. Photo by: Maj. Ofer
On October 3, Israel’s Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said that Israel is not happy with the delivery of S-300 long-range air defense systems to Syria and vowed that Israeli Air Force (IAF) will continue its military operation in the war torn country.
“I cannot say that we are happy about the presence of S-300 [in Syria], but at the same time this is a situation where we have no way out, where we have no opportunity to make decisions … In any case, we are not looking for adventures. We merely protect our vital interests. Regrettably, we are in a situation where we cannot afford any compromises concerning our security interests,” the Russian news agency TASS quoted Lieberman as saying during an interview with the public broadcaster Kan.
Lieberman also blamed Syria once again for the downing of the Russian Il-20 intelligence plane on September 17. The Israeli defense minister went on to criticize Moscow for not believing Israel’s information on the incident. However, he stressed that Russia and Israel should restore normal ties.
“I think the most important thing for us today is…to return the working relationship to normal. It is today the most important task — to return to normal operation, coordination, to more actively use the ‘hot line’ to prevent conflict situations. We need to work,” Lieberman said.
A day earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu revealed that S-300 air defense systems and dozens additional pieces of military equipment have been delivered to the Syrian military. Russia took the decision to supply Syria with these advance equipment in the aftermath of the Il-20 incident in order to insure the safety of Russian service members deployed in the country.
Israel claims they will use the F35 to attack Syria as it’ll be safer for pilots. The F35s are about to be tested in real combat, not just bombing civilians in Afghanistan. It’ll be interesting to see which metal holds up better on impact, Israeli F35s or advanced Syrian S300s when they meet in the air.
I wish Israel’s cruise missiles didn’t exceed the range of the s300s kill zone, but they do??.
do you realize this is nonsense?
Well, we can assume he speculated that Israel is still able to hit certain parts of the territory, not being covered by S-300s — which is hard issue to rationally analyse as actually we can’t have intel on: a) how many S-300 units are at SAA disposal, if Russian S-400 is really going to provide targeting for the Syrian integrated AA forces (as promised) on 24/7 basis and without veting the targets from situation to situation. therefore: b) if any important military installation has to be outside the S-* umbrella, at given moment
but, above all: why the * people can’t get that S-300 is not designed, nor used to handle TLM type of targets as it would be completely irrational/brutally expensive – and almost impossible. S-300 systems are designed to shutdown top-tier, high-altitude targets / fighter jets / strategic bombers (not even assault ones, primarily) and other bigger airplanes, not low-attitude cruising/precision weapons. There are Pantzir-type hybrid AA solutions for that – down to shoulder-launched IR guided weapons.
S-300 are for mid-altitude targets, they don’t cover against low-level long-range attacks. The S-400 can however, as its a major improvement of its basic S-300 predecessor.
there’ s news today saying that these days the S-500 succesfully completed a firing test by destroying an aerial target 300 miles away, beating all the previous records in the range category.
Yep. the S-500 is likely going to be an exceptional weapon system. You can say goodbye to any chance of penetrating an S-500 secured airspace by using speed & height as a defence. This thing will eat any potential hypersonic aircraft for lunch, and will have a world-beating anti-missile capability.
yea but don’t start sounding like a pamphlet. we still don’t know much about it.
+John Whitehot — isn’t the fact that TLM cruises at low altitude con for using S-300 against it? I’m still “shocked” with existence of S300P*. It really puzzles my mind.
“why the * people can’t get that S-300 is not designed, nor used to handle TLM type of targets”
The S300P series is in fact designed to engage and destroy cruise missiles.
It was devised around that requirement , as put forward by soviet air defense. The branching out of the S300 systems was owed to 3 different requirements from 3 different military entities:
S300F – ability to destroy Harpoon and other ASM types. S300P – ability to destroy Tomahawk and other cruise missiles S300V – ability to destroy Pershing and other ballistic missiles.
All three were also required to engage all types of aerial platforms while remaining difficult to pinpoint.
Track-via-missile ensures that a SAM may be launched on cue from external sources (like AWACS), get at medium/high altitudes and then dive on low flying objects like TLMs.
This is a weapon that can be launched with or without prior lock-on, and remains virtually immune from HARM types of missiles.
That said, I’m not well versed with the differences in export variants
Wou! I’ve been misled than. But why would you use S-300 missile to take-down a TLM? I mean: we were taking them down with “praga”s – AA cannons with manual targeting. Also with “strela” (~stinger) hand launcher. Probably, tactical nuke was in mind when they’re developing such overkill counter-measure.
“b) if any important military installation has to be outside the S-* umbrella, at given moment”
If it is really important, S300s are mobile.
Yes, but you can’t count on its mobility on operational level. I mean: you can change their deployment meter of hours (5-12h) but you can’t move it in few minutes to other part of the country. Syria is not a small territory to cover. So, position of the system is given at moment of jets taking off.
I’m not above correction John. Please be good enough to explain my error.
I think John is saying, ‘Doesn’t any cruise missile, regardless of where it is launched, have to enter and travel relatively slowly through the kill zone?’
Yes, it does, and yes, it is vulnerable. Nearly all the cruise missile attacks have seen their numbers whittled down in the last 2 years. None have been stopped cold (actually, 1 attack has been stopped by Syrian counter fire) but that won’t stop the Israelis from trying.
Retaliation is still best. Lacking that, interceptors to make Zion’s war planes vulnerable even at the margins of radar detection. Were getting there, but still haven’t arrived.
“Retaliation is still best”
Retaliation is best for people whose minds can’t conceive anything else – for example shepherds from 2000 years ago.
So you hold the Iranian missile attacks on MEK and ISIS were inappropriate? I thought they were perfect responses to some of the proxy hits on Iran. Russia has to deal with entities armed with nukes, hence the *lacking that*.
The whole purpose of the Syrian airforce upgrade is to stop the Ziostanis from conducting penetrating strikes within Syrian airspace. You can’t stop the Zio from using stand-off weapons from out in the Med, but shore based radars will pick them up and knock them out, or radars covering lebanese airspace.
The main intent is to steadily limit the options for the Zio until they finally give up, or have to risk planes and pilots in penetrating raids. Last time they did over the Golan that they lost at least one jet.
Well, I predicted this. Now Putin will show if he has the balls to keep “no fly zone” or if he is only talking cheap fairy tales about protecting own people.
IMHO Russia will wait until next “tragedy” occurs and then next and next and next one without any reaction. They don’t have self-preservation instinct until the enemy is 100 km away from Moscow. But it will be probably too late.
Time will tell.
now you speaking stupid kid.
This is meant to protect Russian servicemen, not to create a no fly zone. The S300 has a friend or foe system built in, so they will not be able to shoot down Russian planes again, so Israel will not be able to how behind Russian planes again.
It will still be Syria protecting their own skies, not Russia. It will just prevent them from another accident
Wow man. What exactly is Russian part in Syria theater then? Damask is not 100km away from Moscow. One is for sure, time will tell what were real russian reactions. Even near russian history is full of reactions on similar actions. Results were always fatal for poking a Bear.
Israel just thinks it owns Syria and the entire Middle East.
You know, they are Chosen Ones. At least they see it that way.
yes they are chosen as the convenient idiots. The question is who are they chosen from?
Old testament, where “God” was destroying nations standing on the way of Abraham people.
ones the jews wrote for the goyims to be controlled with. You still did not answer me who actualy is this one who chosen them. maybe this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw0fQzQ_Tnc
:) spot on!
Neanderthals Promitheas :)
“Khazar Jews have been proven to have up to 70% Neanderthal DNA and there are two different hypothesis about how this came about. Marty show many Khazar as well as Neanderthal traits one of the most damning being wanting the destruction of White people whom he’s labeled as whiggers. He has the same sanity issues that the Jews have, most Jews are insane to varying degrees. If you look at the photo of Martin that Bill Finck posted on Zogbots.org you see him without his usual headgear which hides the fact that he has a very sloped forehead like most Jews. ”
http://www.age-end.com/Some%20Cardinal%20Doctrines/Neanderthal%20DNA%20Connection%20to%20Modern%20Negroes.htm
http://www.age-end.com/Some%20Cardinal%20Doctrines/Neanderthal%20DNA%20Connection%20to%20Modern%20Negroes_files/image001.jpg
is the one in the photo the father of golda meir?
Yes, in his 20’s apparently :)
Yes, they are the chosen ones.. The chosen ones by their god SATAN!
If Benjanyahu and leverman again strike Syria to be honest Putin will not compromise their army security this time and will definitely kick out their aliens fake state of Israel. Then they can give threats to Syria and to their allies from US and UK.
Looking forward to the next Israel attack. Hopefully they’d use their shiny, brand new F-35. I would love to see a burning wreckage of it in a populated area for all to see.
same lol
But what about the poor storks?
Really cowards these Israelis…. have all the top American weaponry and bully others with it . Now Syria has an old S300 , they panic !
They know that their days of bullying the Syrians when they are in the midst of war vs all the Arab countries plus Western Nato plus Israel and still beat them left and right, are over.
On the ground Israeli is no match for Assad’s allies … wait when Assad is free from terrorists and US/Turkish forces in Syria. Assad is busy now.
old…. How you figured that out?
You think the missiles do the job or the radars that is their eyes and aiming facilities? What part did you not understand that S300 are inter graded within the existing systems the russian took there?
S300 is old compared to S400 while the Israelis have the latest of the latest F35 etc.
Understand what I meant?
ok you fail to understand obviously the difference of S300 and S400. Is different tools for different jobs. Yes i understand what you mean that does not alter the fact you are wrong, about S300 and their abilities as far downing down planes of any kind.
As for all of you insisting to think F35 as a super weapon and not a flying coffin and call it stealth………… get educated to facts and not myths.
It seems to me jews and allies shitting ice cubes everytime they think about it. But it will be a good test for the finalk battle between west and east the S300 in Syria. Time for us to see them in action and see if their performance is what is claimed for them.
The old not upgraded system in greece everytime it been activate in the join war games greeks and israel had between them with no fail have shot every plane within its range. So unless syrians use them only for decoration, I wonder how many pilots israel will lose before they get the message.
The Greek S-300 has never been activate in a exercise with the Jews, as a Greek myself I can confirm it as I have people working in the Hellenic airforce and also many times the official HAF statement was exactly that.
While I have to admit, there were requests from both Israel and USA to use them in war games but because its highly sensitive information Greek officials refused, they also feared in case they use them in exercises with USA/Israel that Turkey might gain some information about them via NATO channels, so nope, didn’t happened. But Israel probably have trained in USA with it, since US bought an old S-300 unit from Ukraine, Greece is using the S-300 PMU-1 which is newer from what the Ukraine’s sold to US.
well they have been twice and been a greek that dont mean any one gives you reports of what is happening or what is going to. And I am an instructor of asymmetrical war in our OYK and special forces so your point ?
You missed the part when I said I have people inside and also Israel has come a lot more than 2 times for exercises, but not to test S-300(we refused) but to take advantage the terrain, which is a lot bigger and a lot more complex with many lvls and differencies from what Israel has in their tiny space, plus the large distances of our boarders(combined with the sea boarders) allows them to exercise in long range attacks, simulated against Iranian targets and of course they want to train with someone that its advance and has experience in aerial warfare as Greece has since we are in constant battle almost every day for decades against Turks.
yes kid all have people inside and bla bla. Anythign else I missed? You also missed the part that we are the first line of defence, to be reactivated in case of war and we are active, not only have friends inside, we are on the front lines of everything. Now stop while you are ahead and dont isnist to be stupid.
ειπες την κοτσανα σου για δικους σου λογους σταματα οσο εισαι ακομα κερδισμενος μην με αναγκασης να δειξω ποσο ασχετος εισαι.
HH I think the kid is one of us and he feel insulted about the cooperation between israel and greece as we all do in many ways. Personal opinion. Let it go chief.
nope is just an idiot who just wrote me in greek insulting me. Typical reaction of all the brainless in greece when you catch them pretending to be what they are not. He things with what he writes that cause others to consider him he is in the know. Happens ot all low level that think are Ellines and not just polluting our motherland as traitors and ass kissers. We know their kind.
Syria has been given S-300 PMU-2
Inside Ukraine’s S-300 there ‘s probably a piece of wood with an iron cable rolled around it. They likely sold the electronics component separately to get more cash Lmao.
Any links to that info HH. Would much appreciate it…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-israel-greece/israel-trained-against-russian-made-air-defense-system-in-greece-sources-idUSKBN0TN10G20151204
This happened back in 2015 but I am sure if you search it will find out also several other links that reported it during the time also Nathahoo accused Iran as secretly developing nuclear weapons and the purpose of it was actually to see if they can defeat Irans antiaircraft batteries, using their own version of the chinese S300.
Lots of Israeli pilots I would hope and many of the others would likely flee to Canada :)
more than likely if they let them.
I sincerely hope the ZioNazi sewer carries out Lieberman’s statement, because then they will be shown that it is game over when those F16’s will be shot down, and there won’t be a thing either that ZioNazi swamp will be able to do about it, nor its obedient slave in Washington.
Come on Lieberman, show us how tough your swamp rats are against a real opponent.
there is great concern in Hellas about the joint exercices the HAF had with IAF. theres been a rumour circulating that the Israelis tested the capabilities of the S-300 system operating in the island of Crete. some even suggest that they played ‘unfair’ since they flew out of sceduled flight path for that reason. if thats the case maybe they have a good idea about the system already.
the S300 in Greece never been upgraded and they was a cut down version of the same system Russians use radar wise. And a missile is as good as the radars they are using. so if the jews are relaying on what greece has and use them in common war games with the jews who by the way in every game lost all their planes used in the games, too bad was not for real, then they are in for a very bad awakening.
The worry is among civilians, who believe all they read or hear on TV or the net. But do not have the technical know how to understand or judge, what is real and what is just BS.
I’ve asked HH above if he has a link to that info, maybe yo have AP, would appreciate it.
He has answered you and posted you a link. Yes I am also aware of it happening but only because HH told us, when it was happening and was pissed off, about it. Other than that I dont have his sources into the military of greece so what ever I tell you is hear saying.
correct. export versions are always very different that the domestic ones.
the power of their electronics are. But Syria is getting the same deal as the russian armed forces have that means to me that none syrians will be using them. I dont believe russia will give her secrets away even to an ally.
Not sure about that. Info is that Syria has received the S-300 PMU-2 and I’m not certain the Russians operate them (they are IIRC an export model).
Well in this case the only one I have listen to is Shoiku. And he was very specific about it.
who you think will operate them since the Syrians will need 6 months to be competent enough to do so? The Russians will never inter grade their systems with any one, if they are not in control and keep the final secrets of the system for themselves. At least is what I know but hey sometimes people change their way of thinking when faced with WW3.
IIRC, SAAF operators are already trained in S-300 as the Syrian state had previously ordered them, but delivery was cancelled under pressure from Washington. In essence, this cancellation has now been undone, and the previously trained operators will no doubt be re-assigned to new S-300 units and will receive supplementary training and refreshers.
Russian personnel will operate them. and all of the Air defence forces will be under a common (russian) command center. Russians are foxes they will not give away anything but the devastating power of their system in acion.
I hope so!
S300 can be integrated with the superior S400, using its more advanced capabilities, along with Tor and Pantsir. It is quite possible the S200 can be integrated as well, I am not sure to what degree the Syrian S200 are integrated in the S400 system.
you should actually notice that even if nato and israel have been trying to elude the unupgraded s300 greece has made available to them, they were unable to find ways to deal with it.
But it obviously scared them, just mention S300, and they start foaming at the mouth.
Subhuman is the word to describe the chosen ones. chosen for the oven.
e polite I am sure you mean, recycling of defective DNA.
Hey, at least its all carbon-neutral…
The Israelis have defeated the Russians multiple times already
They ambushed and slaughtered a Russian air patrol in the 70’s and made the S400 look stupid in Latakia
I recall an Israeli F-35 being ‘downed’ by a so-called ‘bird-strike’ over Syria recently. Nice to know that even the Birdys of Syria know who their real Enemies are and how to find and finish them
Oh, please that tired rhetoric again? The decision by Russia not to escalate and draw blood with the S400 doesn’t mean the system itself isn’t effective and dangerous, or that it was made to look “stupid.” In fact, the Russians themselves stated “we are working and have worked hard to ensure that the situation in Syria does not escalate.” You are drawing conclusions from information not related to any S400 performance. But you, and others like you are doing the Russians and Syrians a service. Your taunting and calling out examples of military acts taking place around Russian forces with limited and restrained consequences only serves to illustrate for all that when the Russians flip the switch and the script and a serious clash ensues leading to grievous Israeli and maybe even FUKUS losses it will only come at a long line of Russia turning the other cheek and providing warnings and room for the attackers to ruin themselves.
answering to a person that its avatar says I am single digit IQ and live in my own make believe world of illusions, maybe is not that a good of an idea.
Give FUKUS enough rope and they always steal it and end up hanging themselves :)
“They ambushed and slaughtered a Russian air patrol in the 70’”
this is invented bullshit outright.
“made the S400 look stupid in Latakia”
i’d worry about how you look, rather than the s400
Fuxx Off Lieberman. Go and talk with those you seek to usurp in Palestine unless you believe you have no Historical, Legal or Biblical Rights to lands you seek to confiscate and occupy against the Rights of Ownership of the Residents of Palestine for Thousands of years while you and your Tribe went walkabout in Europe Russia and America.
Im sure the Russian Military are just itching to blow a few zionist jets out of the Sky,in revenge for their murdered comrades.Bring it on LOVERMAN:
And when we consider that ‘on the job training’ by Russian S300 crews for their Syrian allies will take three months, any counter battery attacks by the Israeli pilots will directly endanger Russian personnel. For that reason I suspect that S400’s and Russian fighters will also be ready to instantly target Israeli planes.
Am looking forward to the incorporation of all new air defence equipment supplied to SAA A/D Regiments from Russia into the Russian A/D system. Russia has at long last decided it required ‘plausible deny-ability’ which now gives it a free hand to act decisively when renegade forces try to carry out cowardly attacks using all sorts of lies and Propaganda to explain their craven deeds. Lieberman says above they(israhell) cannot afford any compromises. From here on in neither will Syria, ya Zionist Bitch.
Looking forward to seeing many Israeli body bags. A few billion in F-35s wouldn’t be a bad sight either.
you aren’t going to see them in any case.
How true these words are….
The Israelis just like Americans, will never release accurate head counts on soldiers who died in the wars they partake in. If the number is too high they’ll fudge the numbers or categorize things differently so that actual deaths numbers are reduced on paper.
Disgrace….
there’s also a thing called Shin Bet that warns people against talking about known casualties among friends and relatives with the press.
Even in a very small Vanity Case John ?
yea that oughta make IAF fighter pilots sleep well at night. LOL!!!
Israel needs to be snuffed.
And ‘snuffed again’ just make sure :)
he already told the same things some days ago.
telling bs repeatedly does not make it less bs.
Theresa May does that all the time John :)
“Regrettably, we are in a situation where we cannot afford any compromises concerning our security interests,” the Russian news agency TASS quoted Lieberman as saying…
Simplified: israel’s up shit creek without a paddle. Cornered terrorist beast. Irrational armed coward. Dangerous genocidal maniac and hater of humanity.
Expect war and expect israel to die.
Retaliation, not missile defense, it’s the only way.
The sooner the Syrians start blasting the fucking Jewish pricks out of their skies using the S300 system the better!
Using F-35 in combat in stealth mode (i.e. without the bumb used to “un-cloak” it thus protecting it’s stealth) will help Russians create an electronic fingerprint of F-35 after which it’s all about re programming current S-300/400 radar data processing software. I bet Russians are willing to lose a few S-300 TELs (out of 2000+ S-300 tubes they poses) in return…
Oh…. goody goody gumdrops! I’m dying to see those new babies in action!
To be fair, Israel will still be able to attack with long-range missiles and stay outside of the S-300’s range. However the chances of them finding and destroying an S-300 is very remote, as indeed all mobile SAM’s are very difficult to find. Luckily the S-300 is mobile (unlike the S-200) so it should be able to remain undetected.
I think the biggest impact the S-300 will have is the ability to keep Israeli F-16 & F-15’s well-away from Syrian airspace. The F-35 will still be able to enter although it will have to be very careful. Plus they only have about 12 F-35’s so far, so they won’t be able to launch many strikes.
“The F-35 will still be able to enter”
they don’t, the risk of birdstrikes is too high.
Lol. I can now retire to bed with a smile on my face John :)
The F35 can only carry 2 small missiles and 2 bombs in stealth mode. The AIM 120 AMRAAM only carries a small 20 kilo warhead, and although sold as a 300,000 dollar air to surface missile, they are really an air to air missile. The 2 GBU-31 bombs it carries, would mean that the F35 would have to enter Syrian airspace.
The F35 packs no punch in stealth mode.
Avigdor Lieberman’s definition of an Outlaw Nation and the audacious violation of International Law:
Israel “has conducted more than 200 strikes against designated targets in Syria over the past two years”
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Still waiting for you to attack with more than your mouth Mr Lieberman.