Following the recent series of events, the situation in the area of Afrin remains tense. According to reports, Syrian government forces have halt their deployment to Afrin under an alleged deal with the Kurdish YPG militia after strikes conducted by the Turkish military near a government military column.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that the convoy had retreated following a warning fire.
“Tonight about a dozen pickups were seen moving towards Afrin. But then there was shelling [by the the Turkish military], and they had to return. So far, this is all over. Yesterday we spoke with respected [Russian President] Putin and respected [Iranian President] Rouhani; we have agreements on this topic. Unfortunately, some terrorist groups sometimes make erroneous decisions themselves, this is unacceptable, and they will be held accountable for it,” Erdogan told media.
The government forces convoy was within about 10km from the YPG-held city of Afrin when it came under fire.
The Russian state-run news agency Sputnik also quoted YPG representative in Afrin Brusk Haseke as saying on the issueL
“Yes, this is true. Today the Syrian government army entered Afrin in order to defend the city from the Turkish Armed Forces and the Free Syrian Army jointly with the Kurdish forces of the YPG. The government forces have come to help the people of Afrin. We cannot report on the number of soldiers that entered Afrin. This is military information.”
Meanwhile, the Turkish Armed Forces and the Turkish-backed Free Syrian Army continued their advance against the YPG in Afrin. Recently, Turkey-led forces have captured over a dozen villages from the YPG.
The story is developing.
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the SAA is going to eventually have to get involved, wether to clear out the Turks once the finish their op because i highly doubt they will hand back the lands to the syrian government, or to clear the kurds out if by some miracle the kurds do defeat the turks with help from USA. one thing is for sure though things are gonna get messy real quick in the near future.
No They dont have to lift a finger Erdogan will push the Rats( SDF YPG PKK) out of Afrin and than will allow the SAA to take control!
Agreed.
wanna bet they will never leave?
they will leave for sure.
Turkey cannot hold the area as Assad’s forces together with the Kurds can easily bleed Turks to death as no Turkish planes can fly in Syria but Syrian planes can fly.
This with Kurds, Hez, Iranian, Russian …Turks just cannot hold .
RT posted this story on SAA (aligned) forces entering Afrin:
https://www.rt.com/news/419337-syrian-fighters-enter-afrin-turkey/
See also terse AMN statement in talks:
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/putin-discusses-afrin-security-council-meeting-moscow-video/
You are the weakest link of this chain thread, or better yet the dunce of the class, of Course Turkey will depart go look at the history of Congo DR.1996 to the present, it’s impossible for Turkey to not be similar to the international forces that drove Kagme out.
So, if I’m not mistaken. In the first place, SAA was holding Afrin. Then, SAA withdraw and YPG invaded the area. Now, Turkey with FSA wants to fight YPG. So, YPG ask for support from SAA that was holding the location in first place ? XD.
not exactly….isis held Afrin in the first place…then changed uniforms and was occupied by fsa ,hts whatever…..the Kurds ‘liberated’ Afrin from the terrorists…..and held it….as a part of the new Kurdistan that would be formed…
I don’t remember but I’m not sure that ISIS held Afrin.
Turkey is not going to fight the Kurds then give the land back to the Syrians. You are dreaming if you believe such nonsense.
I don’t think so. Turkey won’t be able to occupy any important Syrian territory, at least long term. It is not feasible and won’t be allowed by other actors in the region. The whole scheme is about degrading US influence on Kurds and generally in the area. I wonder though, if Turkish loyalty will keep swinging. We shall see very soon, I think things will further escalate before March 18, day of RU elections.
Turkey wants to destroy syria and annex some of the land in line with the us partition plan and israel around the golan heights. Its never been otherwise.
Don’t think Turkey will stay … they would bleed to death.
Iran is bleeding to death. It doesn’t have the finance for upkeep such big operations and continously taking from the tax payer.
Turkey has ongoing bases in Somalia, Qatar, and soon in Sudan. Not counting NATO based missions is Afghanistan/Pakistan.
For Turkey, this is peanuts.
Hello,
The fight will be in Syria ….not Somalia.
If the fight is to go serious, finances have hardly anything to do with it. It is the ATGMs, SAMs and bombs that they have now that counts and they do have enough to finish off any invader.
In fact no Turkish planes can fly in Syria while Syrian planes can finish off the Turkish ground forces in Syria.
Turkey is not known to be strong although on paper looks so only as being the second largest in Nato.
Assad is not going to fight in Turkey . He is fighting in his own land and with the population on his side, plus the vengeful Kurds and battle hardened allies, where are Turkish soldiers going to hide being surround from all sides?
Even the US cannot fight this force for sure as US ONLY HAS air force which can be prevented from flying in Syria.
Turkey ? Hardly .
I know that this was the initial plan, every US ally would get some of the spoils from a successful regime change. But the strategy isn’t the same today, ever since Russia and others got involved. And I don’t think Turkey can risk being the war zone of a war involving major powers in the region. I think that Erdogan has that sanity at least.
Great Feudalism, if was like you are saying, why stop in Idlib and go to East Ghouta when the principal direction of the ennemy attack was in the northwest, in Afrin? And there is a very interesting fact, some of the YPG said the agreement was to let de governmental troops go to the borders fronts, so, to directly fight the turks and their militias, but what we are seeing is something very different, it’s some governmental militias entering the city of Afrin, that seems that’s preparing to be in part sieged. I don’t deny that the Turks, having the opportunity, would try to conquer syrian land, but for the Turks, or Kurds, or Israelis be able to do that, they have to attack all now, more the U.S., France, etc…and begin the WWIII. Brzezinsky advice was to begin a war with Russia in Syria, because was to far from russian military dispositive, but in a WW great distances can be quickly surpassed, and the Caucasus is not very far.
Best I can tell assad is afraid to confront the turks. Perhaps hes been told if trips the nato alliance hes on his own.
If I was him though id call the turkish bluff. Their military is geared to fighting insurgencies. State vs state is not something theyll immediately be good at. Id bet nato would fracture out of antipathy towards turkey before starting ww3 with Russia. And if they dont back turkey nato is history.
Hes cautious and patient but now the inflection point needs forceful and decisive action
If I was the US id simply step aside and swoop in at a better time like ww2. But pride goes before the fall I suppose.
for NATO it’s not about members backing Turkey (because we all know europe isn’t good for sh*t militarily) but about having Turkey around when they would need it. and fear outdoes antipathy.
assad is a no-figure in syria. none of the players gives a sh*t about him. Turks haven’t once talked to him or the SDF. He would be very extatic if they did though. He would think of himself as a human again :)
SDF – and the US was pleading for Turkish companies to build civic infrastructure in Rajova a year ago. They also got the middle finger.
Okay, thanks for giving your opinion. a) As Germany in WWII, today the aggressor is the U. S.; b) we are more or less as in the time of the Spanish war, but today they will not pass; c) Afrin is not the main direction of the ennemy’s atack, and more, the ennemy has lost the strategic initiative, but in spite of that, the turks must be stoped, because, having the opportunity, they would snatch syrian territory. If the turks stop, there principal aim now is not territorial acquisitions, if they don’t stop, well, then you would be right
I think they putting it on to the FSA .I think it`s happened before. incompetent or.
Well if they don’t withdraw then it would be more war …no doubt about it. If Turkey can stand the fight and continued fighting Kurds supported by Assad’s air defences plus their armed forces, well so be it I guess. Syrians will never allow it .. .and the Kurds would be waging war alongside Assad and I dont think Turkey has the muscle to stand the distance. That’s my personal opinion.
No man, it is not simply fisible for Turkey to hold it under occupation. This is just pretext to tell Americans that Turkey is the Boss.
The UN, Russia, The United States, Syria and Iran will never allow Turkey to seize this territory on the long run. Yes, USA is above international law and can ignore it, but Turkey can’t, believe me.
In my opinion, SAA, Russia and Iran should simply let Turkey get rid of the Kurds, who betrayed everyone in this conflict including the SAA, and afterwards, they will leave Syria, and the SAA can move in and clean the Afrin area from FSA which Turkey has left behind.
Kurdistan is only in USA and Israel’s interest. Russia does not need a 2nd Israel and western puppet in the Middle east. A strong Turkey and a strong Syria are in the interests of Russia economically and in terms of national security. Kurdistan definitely is not. The only people who try to change country borders (Kurds, in this situation) are a danger to everyone.
First, I do not believe Turkey took the decision of invading Syria without USA-Russia approval. Being Turkey a NATO member, its actions are coordinated with USA-NATO. So, Turkey will stay in Syria as long as USA decides other thing, or Syria decides to Kick its ass and send it home.
This is the first part… Manbij will be the next… With the Turks the US wont do nothing, they will not challenge Erdogan, because their Airbase is the bargain chip…In the end the Kurds will loose, like in IRAQ. Russia and Iran only have to wait, it is basic politics.
USA has many airbases in Turkey not just one
Then let Turkey SHUT THEM DOWN, Don’t forget that the U.S. runs a RADAR Station for the JEW STATE on Turkish Soil. If that Shuts down Iran has the Advantage. All things said, the U.S. has been a VIRUS like the JEW state for the Whole Area. Eradicate the VIRUSES!!!
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turkey is proxy of israel undirecty through USA
Gee that is scary Yank lover. The US couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag.
US policy is to defend Manbij but not Afrin, as it has been from the start, and Turkey knows this. Turkey has and will attack only those areas not defended by the US, that being Afrin but not Manbij.
Hope there pro Abortion lol
Let’s see….
The world is not overpopulated. This is a misconception propagated by the MSM. There is plenty of land and food resources to feed triple the current Earth population. The problem is the improper distribution of these lands and resources. With a small percentage controlling most of the world’s resources, the poor are suffering the results . .
Like hell it isn’t. without overpopulation, there would be no Eskimos, nor would anyone have ever bothered to migrate to the Americas.
‘…there would be no Eskimos…’ So that is that the logic underwriting your claims. Do you even realize Eskimo’s are indigenous peoples across Arctic circle and they have been there for thousands of years?
Yes, which means the world was overpopulated thousands of years ago, at the time the Eskimos first decided the arctic was preferable to overpopulated regions. Without overpopulation, humans might never have even left Africa, or ranged any farther than bonobos.
Really, so how about you name that magic date ‘thousands of years ago’ when the world became ‘overpopulated’ and how about your actual definition of the term overpopulation too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations According to this, modern humans migrated out of africa about 70,000 years ago, so that is when I would say human overpopulation began, soon to devastate the neanderthal, among others.
You jews shoud stop stealink oter people´s land and resources and the world will be in peace
Have to say I agree with you there. But not all of us steal land. Some of us hate the land stealers . .
The US does not defend Manbij though. There are just a few troops there to act as a token tripwire. All the Turks have to do is pay good attention and avoid hitting those few US troops that are out there and only focus on the Kurds. Which may be a bit too much to ask for considering the shambolic state of the Turkish army. But then again, if the Turks do hit some Americans by accident, what are the Americans going to do? Go to war with a NATO country? Have NATO call into effect the very article that calls on other NATO countries to come to Turkey’s defense? Have US bombers take off from Turkish bases to bomb Turkish soldiers? Drive Turkey into the welcoming hands of Putin who will be laughing his ass off?
In the end the US tripwire presence around Manbij is a bluff. And if the Turks have the balls to call that bluff the US will probably fold. If they got the bluff. Either way, for the Russians it will be win-win regardless.
Turkey will not take the chance, since it is the price they paid for US tolerance of their invasion of Afrin. Syria will not benefit since either party will stay and Russia will only benefit if they limit themselves to protecting their bases.
Do not underestimate Turkish balls. The US never took down a russian jet remember?
Turkey should most definitely take the chance, because A: the Kurdish Rojava area is way more dangerous to its national interest then the small Afrin kanton. The PKK is more active and has a far bigger presence in Rojava. B: what is the US going to do against them? Impose sanctions? Attack Turkish troops? Congratulations, the US will probably kicked out of Turkey next, losing its bases to support the Kurds and keep vigil on Russia and Iran, the real enemy. Meanwhile Putin will be laughing its ass off.
If Erdogan wants to take Manbij next and is willing to go to the brink over it the US will probably let him. It doesn’t really need Manbij, just the rest of East Syria on the other side of the Euphrates. It’s only talking tough over Manbij to please the Kurds. But in the end it needs Turkey more.
I agree that there is a lot of Kabuki going on, though not exactly as you put it. If I have it right, the US are still supplying their east Syrian slice of heaven overland via Turkey. If Erdogan means business, he could cut that access before thinking about mixing it up with the Armies of Mordor. That he doesn’t, suggests that there is still a substantial degree of understanding between Ankara and Washington. Or Erdogan simply knows better than to clash head-on with the Dark Throne.
All rather similar to how the US-led coalition, if they’d been serious about ISIS, could have sealed the Turkish border and gone after the Saudi money spigot. They went to war because they *wanted* to place their orcs in Syria, and now we see why. And Putin never lifted a finger to stop it.
Really the only way the Kurds can save themselves would to public announce they are Syrians and no more US backed forces….
Assad’s forces take over all the areas and get US out…
As it is , it is either Turks rule them or Assad in the end anyway ….
Erdoğan said he has no intention of holding Syrian ground Either he’s a very bad Muslim and man or its pre planned Russia bringing in somesheavy hitters its going to be rough
Peixe no seu cu!
Turkey main gold is to conquer Syria and help Syria. Putin got fooled again at Syria expence
Yeah of course Turkey will give back Syrian territory back to the rightful government. Just look at Cypress, Turkey invaded and captured the northern part of the island many decades ago and then totally DIDN’T ANNEX the territory, they retreated and left Cypress united up until this day (look it up). :) Yep… good ol’ Turks. You know, here in Serbia we have a saying “Samo Turčin Srbina Spasava” which means “Only a Turk can save a Serb”, we also have a saying “Passing like next to a Turkish grave” when something is really emotional and sad sad because passing next to a Turkish grave is so sad for us because we love Turks so much… Turkey is so great, yes, yes, no sarcasm here… no irony here either, I am serious. Too bad for you guys that Turkey failed to take Vienna back then, you all motherfuckers would have surely enjoyed it. But don’t be sad, today Turkey is colonizing Europe anyway, Germany foremost. :) Yes more Turk goodness for the lot of you. Remember when Turks captured Constantinople? yes well it was nice of them to give that back too. Turks just love giving stuff back, they only reason they go conquering is so they can have the enjoyment and pleasure of giving stuff back to us and seeing our smiles as they hand us back stuff, Hatay for example. Turkey is basically like Israel when it come to giving territory back, except Turkey has a lot longer history of giving back stuff. :}
I would agree with you statement
hehehe well said brother!
The difference with Cyprus is that Cyrus was weak and unable to fight …. here in Syria is different. All are war ready and battle hardened and if Turkey is to take Kurdish areas, then Assad would have a very powerful ally .. the Kurds to drive out Turkey .
No I do not think Turkey has the stamina to stay in Syria. They will withdraw after maybe the refugees have returned to their homes and Assad takes over with agreement from Russia and Iran as guarantors of the integrity of Syria.
As long as Turkey can be assured, the Kurds have no more military power , Turkey will withdraw.
Syria is war ready??? :DDD Without RuAF, the SDF (US/Israel) can take Syria in a month. Turkey can take it in a 2 weeks. Assad has to sc*rew Esma with Putin’s and Ruhani’s dic*s because he doesn’t have any. Turkey and Russia are working on many other issues (Libia etc). Don’t think Turks are fixated on this. Turkey is using maybe 5% of its total military force right now.
You are soooo delusional . Turkey can take Syria in two weeks without Russia. Ohhhh gosh you must be out of your mind.
Turkey cannot even make much progress and so slowly vs the poorly armed Kurds and want to take on Syria that is supported by hezbollah and Iran ? You are a real joker and know nuts about the real situation.
Fact is Assad’s forces can easily drive out the Turk or even the Americans on the immediate term if he wishes too provided he is willing to take on retaliation from the air by the Americans . Well Houthis do not have air support … and they held.
So with Turkey? Easy … man easy even without Russia air support so long as he has good Sam systems to control Turkey’s planes but in Syria his planes can fly …
You are talking about Turkey fighting in Syria against the Kurds, Syrians , Hez and Iran even if Russia is not in.
No friend , … no contest. Like I said… in Cyprus , they have had no force to counter Turkey . But in Syria , Assad has allies besides Russia.
Also in Cyprus there was a minority issue, which in Syria’s Afrin is definetely not the case. Turkey will have to impose sovereignty by power and violence to indigenous people.
arabs -40% of the population in afrin. 10% Turkmens are indigenous as well. They are having a great time learning mandatory kurdish at school and changing every town and street name to kurdish, mortal ignoramus.
Turkish troll, how about you give me a link to prove what you said about kurdish schools and changing names, or go back to your Sultan’s harem.
Northern Cyprus was ANEXED by Turkey decades ago!!
Are you truly unable to sense the sarcasm? Damn…
Constantinople was given back to who? It is integral part of the Ottomans!!
You are a Serb and Love the Turks? You are a Bosniak!!
I like your comment ;) and I’m not a fan of Turks either..
But they can’t stay in Afrin, the UN, USA, Russia, Syria and Iran will not allow it. In Cyprus, there were no other parties involved than Turkey and Cyprus itself. Now, the situation is much different.
Believe me, a Kurdistan is in no ones interests, except for USA and Israel. It will also not be in the interests of our countries Russia and Serbia, who are getting pressure from the USA.
In the case of Hatay, Turks stole it, with help from the French.
Turkey would just annex Afrin, Russia needs to establish the no-fly zone again. Tiger forces can do the rest.
why didn’t russia establish a no-fly zone in the first place dumb-nuts?? tiger forces my ASSad. isis was and sdf is more capabale than them.
Tiger forces are a baloon just like shia militia. Quit dreaming.
1- Cyprus .. If need to compare, it is today’s Ukraine problem.. Turks acted to ‘save’ the ethnic Turks there who were slaughtered under the Greek junta (look it up) .. like Russians trying to save their own… (but all we hear is how evil they are, same as Turks)
2- Turkey ‘will’ give back to this land to Syrians. unlike in Cyprus , they can not justify their existence over there (not much ethnic Turks).. But interesting enough, most of the village names in Efrin are actually Turkish, by Toruk Turks who settled there around 500AD
3-Turks and Serbs also fought side by side in history.. Look up angora battle , mongol invasion ,Timurleng. They stooped the Mongol army together in Anatolia so Mongols couldnt reach Europe..And Ottoman’s gave Sebs their nation (where you live today) for their brave fight…
Slavs give back 90% of Russia to Turks and they can have Cyrus. Deal?
You killed and raped your own kind for your twisted historical ideology just 20 years ago you dumb fu*k but I guess that wasn’t enough.
But you were good pets for the Ottomans though. Without you cannon foders, Ottomans could have never ended up to Vienna. :DD
Germany?? Do you have a clue how many children there are from Turkish-Russian couples in the last 20 years? Would probably fill up Belgrade you dumb shit.
We are living in a totaly different time than you (and Breivik). US will exploit everyting if it is cheap and profitable enough. Someday, China will too. That would be possible especially in regions that have enough dumbs idiots like you.
You people keep telling me that Turkey won’t stay because it “can’t justify it’s presence there”? lol But do you really think something like that will bother them? USA can’t justify it’s presence in any part of the world but they still there occupying and causing trouble, Israel can’t justify it’s presence in Golan Heights. The “Internatinoal law” is only adhered to by the weak or the honorable, and by those who are forced with brute force to abide by it. You think Turkey can’t hold Afrin? Well what you guys or what I think is not important here at all. What is important is that Turkey DOES THINK THAT THEY CAN hold it! And if they think it, they will try and make it happen. Following your logic you could say “Nah Hitler is not gonna go to war with Poland because that would start WW2 and he can’t possibly win that.”… lol Well, the guy actually making the decision is a bit more ambitious (and more stupid) then you think.
Nope, we will not stay there. We will flood the place with handpicked refugees all the way from Jarablus ( and possibly Menbij ) to Idlib including Afrin and leave FSA there with their crowded families to act as security forces By involving them into the reconstruction of demolished parts and supporting them economically with border trade we will make sure that they are loyal , content and satisfied. May be we can also arrange some less significant pipe line from that teritory so that they can make some extra bucks, who knows. It will be a lovely place, sort of Pleasentville…
They will be quite usefull over there; can stop YPG with their corridor to Mediterranean, arrange a few occasional clashes with Shabia if we feel escalating Iranian influence in the region, some hit and run attacks to Jews, so that we make sure both sides are bleeding.We can also send them here and there , may be even to Kosovo to protect them from Serbian annexation. I can count much more , you see , the options are endless, sky is the limit.
This our business plan.
If you have any complaints you can formally apply in written to Mr Erdogan, or Turkish Chief of General Staff and even to the nearest Turkish security station in written. Anyhow, personal application is a must , We will make sure that your application is being dully processed and you will face a completely different world when you see the sunlight again after a few decades
Now quit whining and get lost. And dont write me curses in Serbian from your side account f0ucker.
Assad is acting foolishly. He will inevitably lose this one. He should have let the Turks to do dirty work and then move to Manjib. Americans are happy, Turkey is coming back. Unless everything is prearranged and coordinated.
Kurds are not the enemy of Assad. Turkey and its FSA backed terrorists are.
ABORTION RIGHTS IN AFRIN!
Abort yourself!
ditto
ABORTION RIGHTS IN APEFRICA!
wherever.
Turks will now resettle the 4 million refugees to Afrin. Turks will change the composition of population in Afrin, Kurds will be replaced by Arab Syrians, who fled to Turkey.
That will be one big refugee camp.
do you want those Syrian refugees or have better solution ?
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scared allready. it’s only been a month :))
it appears that while the news that a Syrian Army affiliate unit has entered Afrin, the only one saying that “it retreated” are the Turks.
There was footage as they entered of artillery shells landing a mile away. It didn’t look like they were turning back.
ya i saw it. nothing special if you ask me.
US Must Halt F-35 Sales to Turkey Over ‘Dangerous’ Provocations – Greek Lobby.
https://sputniknews.com/military/201802201061845547-us-halt-f-35-turkey-greek/
A Greek-American lobbying organization and the Armenian National Committee of America have launched an effort to halt the sale of 100 F-35 aircraft to Washington’s NATO ally Turkey over Ankara’s “consistently and steadily more dangerous” provocations, a Greek-American lobbyist said recently.
Turkey needs to be taught a lesson …they seem to have forgotten what the Greeks did to their Ottoman Empire about 100 years ago… They belong to the Asian steppes and Greece with all its problems with the economy is still ready to do the dirty job …
Agree with you, the Ottomans should go back to Central Asia. Greece should get back all the shores or the Aegean Sea….Armenia should get back its eastern Anatolia territory…the noble Kurds should get their homeland, Russia might get part of the southern shores of the Black Sea and protect the Trapizonde Greeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF2MEkwlE1Q
Agreed! Still waiting for Putin to finally secure our fellow Russians in Donbass. Most of “Ukraine” cities are ours! Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk. Kiev has a lot of our history as well. Agree with the map! except for Georgia and Kurdistan aka Israelistan. It is not in Russian and Iranian interests.
The Kurds are a nation without country. They diserve their own state since they have fought for it already and are still fighting… It so happens that an Independent Kurdistan is a good thing for Greece since Turkish influence will be considerably reduced. There are 20-25 million Kurds living inside the Turkish borders… It suits Israel and the USA too the independent Kurdistan but hey ho, there will have to be a compromise between Russia and the US … I mean what is the alternative ? ww3 ? For a few oil wells … Not wise.
Of cource D.Trump is a bit of a loose cannon … how he handled the North Korea issue… Azerbaijan is the only friendly country to Turkey…so their destruction has to be part of the ‘plan’…
They will deserve their land when they win, as long as there is a Turk alive; we will fight to the death to protect our motherland.
Your motherland is at the Chinese borders you stupid Mongolian baboon !
Poor Turkey, all carved up. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batak_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_genocide
Now you know why ‘poor’ Turkey has banned wiki …?
idiot
I know you are !
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Πάλι με χρόνια με καιρούς , πάλι δικά μας θα ‘ναι! (Once more, as years and time go by, once more they shall be ours) https://i.imgur.com/9tdAW0L.jpg https://i.imgur.com/CBprOLv.jpg
first pay your debts and then maybe
Hahahahahhahaha typical Mongolian imbecile ! What do you know about depts and economy ? Last time I looked Turkey still had the Turkish lira and greece had the €, the same currency that Italy, France and Germany (to name a few) use !!! Greece has come out of the crisis (which was a made up crisis made in the Washington by the way, all you have to do is see who made millions gambling against the Greek economy and who moved their € outside Greece 9 years ago) and will have a dept relief soon again ! Greece doesn’t need to be that much better in technology to kick you Mongolians back to the Asian steppes ! We done it before we will do it again ! Haahahahhaa talks about money when his currency is the Turkish lira ! You Silly Mongolian !
so what. Greek GDP 2017 around 250 Billon US-Dollar Turkish GDP 857 Billon.
And most of your ports and airports owned by germany now lol, you had to sell them all haha
Fitch upgrades Greece on lower political risk, economic growth.
The rating agency said it was upgrading Greece from B- to B, with a positive outlook. Fitch believes that general government debt sustainability will improve, underpinned by sustained GDP growth, reduced political risks, a record of general government primary surpluses and additional fiscal measures legislated to take effect through 2020.
…Last month, fellow agency S&P Global Ratings made a similar move, boosting its rating on Greece…
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_countries_in_Europe_by_monthly_average_wage.html
https://i.imgur.com/AYbW8oM.jpg
The average Greek wages is double that of the Turkish wages… Can you understand that ? …
Wow, still turkish economy power and growth is far bigger, what do you say to you sold airports and ports to germany? haha Germany own half of greece
You got no real growth… your currency is worth less than toilet paper. Turkey is dependent on importing oil … Greece has come to gus resources in South Cyprus and South Crete and even in the Ionian sea to last for over 50 years …and more! About Germany and what they own in Greece ..well nobody is perfect and certainly the Greek parliamentarians are far from perfect…in fact how they have handled the economy is close to treason… I f you ask me I d love to be in the Greek Drachma and print our own money like the US and you lot are doing… We d still be better than you Turks !
But we are in the euro whether we like it or not …we hit rock bottom and now we are moving up… Lets see where President / Prime minister / Sultan / Pasha / Erdogan is going to move to… up..or…down…
You really do want to start WW III. I am glad you are not in the lead on this mess however it’s not much worse than the current situation but that is improving by leaps and bounds no thanks to the Empire & Co.
I think you’ll find that idealistic appeals to the USG work better if they happen to support the arms trade. If they impede it, however, … I even sympathize with Greece’s ordeal, but claims of the country’s inherent strength are just a joke at this point.
You need to check one day the history of the Greek nation…and I dont mean just the modern history from its independence in 1829…I mean from the Trojan wars onwards… In a nutshell, always fewer always outnumbered and yet still here…
dude, you are a fake country created by British…Greece didn’t even exist for the last 2000 years (just like the Israel) and in fact most of you are not even Greek…
You want to make me start the old ‘we were making civilisation when you were living in caves’ but I m not going to go down your trolling road … All I can say is whatever western European country you might happen to visit one day (cause I dont think you are one cause no westerner that has finished basic education could be that daft to say what you just said) just visit their museums … you ll see Greece everywhere…
of course, we all know ‘everything’ comes from Greece ;)
The Chinese created a lot of staff too but ..yeah more or less you are correct …
And I m dead serious.
I m sure there are a lot of things created by the Hellenes that you dont know…
Such as the Antikythera mechanism …the first analogue computer….
Search and you shall find…
eh ! you are talking about Sumerians, not Hellenes …
Good for you, and then may I suggest check Democracy, Olympic games, Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics, Geometry, Architecture, Theatre to name a few contributions to the world…
..Also WW2 how a very badly equipped Greek army chased the modern Italian army back to Albania….and WW2 the battle of Crete.
But hey you dont have to take my word for all this…
WW2 PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT’S STATEMENT ON THE WAR IN GREECE April 25, 1941 The heroic struggle of the Hellenic people to defend their liberties and their homes against the aggression of Germany after they had so signally defeated the Italian attempt at invasion has stirred the hearts and aroused the sympathy of the whole American people. During the Hellenic War of Independence more than a century ago, our young Nation, prized its ardent sympathy for the Greeks and hoped for Hellenic victory. That victory was achieved. Today, at a far more perilous period in the history of Hellas, we intend to give full effect to our settled policy of extending all available material aid to free peoples defending themselves against aggression. Such aid has been and will continue to be extended to Greece. Whatever may be the temporary outcome of the present phase of the war in Greece, I believe that the Greek people will once more ultimately achieve their victory and regain their political independence and the territorial integrity of their country. In that high objective, the people of Greece and their Government can count on the help and support of the Government and the people of the United States. Department of State Bulletin, April 27, 1941.
WW2 Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, inspired by the resistance of the Greeks during the Italian and German invasions of Greece in April 1941, Embassy of Greece in Washington D.C “Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks!”
WW2 : In a speech made at the Reichstag in 1941, Hitler spoke on how he admired the Greek resistance, saying “Historical justice obliges me to state that of the enemies who took up positions against us, the Greek soldier particularly fought with the highest courage. He capitulated only when further resistance had become impossible and useless.”
Isocrates, Panegyricus, 50. “So far has Athens left the rest of mankind behind in thought and expression that her pupils have become the teachers of the world, and she has made the name of Hellas distinctive no longer of race but of intellect, and the title of Hellene a badge of education rather than of common descent.”
thanks for the suggestions but they sound pretty boring . Especially after knowing everything is ‘Greek’ anyway ;) bye
and pls observe my first comment, trolling wasn’t my intention
but i guess it was a bit harsh
Remnants of ianciekt Greece. What has nothing common with neogreeks.
I’m willing to bet the farm that erdogan and the fsa will wipe out the kurds, then erdoghan will leave with only token support for the fsa, leaving the door open for the SAA/RuAF move in for the kill of whats left of the fsa after years of fighting…
Two birds with one stone: erdoghan removes the kurds, wipes his hands clean of the fsa, and gets a actual stable border with the SAA in charge, and with that he is also able to wipe his hands of the so called oil trade with ISIS…
You can see it coming from a mile away.
The US government does this ALL THE TIME by the way…
We’ll see of course, but I don’t believe this for a second. If your scenario was Erdogan’s desired endgame he could have, you know, not started the Syrian war. I think those Turkish flags planted into the ground signal his true intentions better than occasional mumblings about Syrian territorial integrity. Surplus FSA is being ground up just fine right now, and there’ll still be a bit more of that kind of action.
fsa will be the turkish syrian proxy against an untrustable damascus. they will be used to patrol afrin and idlib once there is truce. saa will stay south (thats why they are massacering ghouta now). that’s why there are 8 turkish observatory points (some pretty much bases) being built around idlib.
Wow, some serious gains again, if this map is true. Oh well Kurds, maybe you shall learn not to sell your soul as a common whore next time.
The border NE of reservoir fell quickly after Turk force took high points on both sides. Also Rajo and Jinderes are under pressure. Kurds have a reason to be worried. Notice Dutchboy is not claiming fake news here :D
LOL, it is strange how we notice his absence more than noticing him when he is here. Perhaps we all miss him ……..
WHERE ARE YOU….https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/875407985048256512/BojKtrfl.jpg
YPG big mistake… not have returned Afrin to its owner (Syria), and it is too late for any change.
After seeing the SAA and allies how treacherous and evils Kurds can be, by allying themselves with enemy powers to steal valuable resources from Syria, To this day, I keep asking myself, why should the SAA worry about the fate of the Kurds in afrin and to try to prevent such one for which, speaking of treacherous Turks and Kurds, to kill ones each others? Because months ago, the Russians asked the Kurds to hand over control of Afrin and other areas nearby, to the Syrian authorities to avoid precisely the situation reigning right now, but with great pride and little respect, the Kurds arrogantly rejected the Russian offer, feeling themselves the owners of the universe with the support of their new American owners. But now here, they are sobbing like scared little girls asking for help from the SAA, right now, when they felt themselves totally abandoned by their super-powerful American owner in front of turkish army guys and puppets are raping and killing female Kurdish soldiers.
Who is the population of this area loyal to? What are their numbers and geographic dispersal? The answers to this question will be key to what happens.
arabs -40% of the population in afrin. 10% Turkmens are indigenous as well. They are having a great time learning mandatory kurdish at school and changing every town and street name to kurdish.
Assad weaklings…:)
Bulgarian Dog; Your troll comments on this this site are lame and weak. LOL
Serves them right for being so difficult with Assad. Now their little deal came too late to save them, I hope they enjoy getting slaughtered.
People here were gloating over Turkish losses, but wars are tests of determination. Clumsily executed or not, Erdogan kept banging away at Afrin. Soon this’ll be too little too late, if not now already? Once Afrin city is in Turkish artillery range, what point for good Syrian soldiers to make themselves target practice over there?
USA MUST GO!! Russia, Syria, Turkia now are all agree to kick out of Syria the Fucking USA. I’m sorry for the poor Kurds, but they choose the wrong Ally.
As fighting in afrin gets desperate, more Kurds in SDF will desert US command and Go volunteer in afrin. When afrin falls, Kurds will not be happy with US commanders.
sure.. when barzani lost his semi-state to the Iraqi gov’t, all kurds were shouting “where are you bastard US”. Soon after, they got back in line.
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The stupid Kurds have brought this defeat on themselves. By first refusing to negotiate with Assad and then futile stalling and bargaining they have lost most of the countryside to their enemy – the Turks. Now, they have no credibility, no military and no bargaining power and may well loose Afrin as well.
This map is complete bullshit. Southfront, please use the correct national border lines.
It seems to me that this looks like an agreement of partition of Syria. Afrain for Turkey, the upper part of Euphrates river for Kurds (USA-puppets, and USA basis), and the south part for Syria (and Russia basis). Well, one needs to ask Syria people whether or not this is what they want for their country. Turkey is an invasor country in Syria, and Kurds (USA-puppets) want Syria land to construct an independent country. Will Syria-Russia-Hezbollah-Iran allow this to happen ?