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On August 23, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA), the Tiger Forces and their allies fully libearated the northern Hama pocket, including the towns of Kafr Zita, Lataminah and Morek.
Map Update: Government Troops Fully Liberated Northern Hama Pocket
What about Turkish rats ?? Dont let them flee plzzz
Unfortunately the Turkish Army Post must be allowed to stay if Turkey so wishes. This is not the time to give the Turkish warhawks with NATO connections to show a Cassus Belli for a declared war with Syria, in my opinion.
There is zero gain for the SAA or Russia for treating the Turkish soldiers badly. In fact the pragmatic viewpoint would be to provide the Turkish Post with Food etc as long as they wish to be there during this conflict.
Agreed, serve them traditional Syrian cuisine. Send some to Erdogan as well, I am sure he is tired of eating his words… ;-)
Words can be fatal :) Especially False words. Many lives have been cut short with False Word Poisoning.
The only thing left to observe for the Turkish Observation Post in Morek is how pathetic their own obsolescence is.
Thanks for another voice of reason. Only with pragmatism we will see the SAA liberate the rest of Idlib, and hopefully all of Syria in the future.
The Syrian govt should charge Turkey a very high rental fee for the land. Then maybe they will leave. :)
They will leave anyway – all by themselves without SAA needing to push them out.
Send the Turks the bill along with the bill for all the looted goods from Syria that magically found their way to Turkey. Not now though, but from a position of strength in the future. Plus interest of course.
Florian, the Turks have now 14 observation posts when they are granted only 12. So, 2 posts have to close.
I would agree, but now is not the time to make a fuss, in my opinion. That’s actually what the Turks want I think, in order to obfuscate Turkeys alliance with US sponsored terrorists in the media.
It’s also an reasonable point of vue, but I confess my incapacity to urderstand Turks and Yankees actual rulers. I think that they have the same problem: the incapacity to understand what each one of them are doing in this world.
Actually there is no agreement as Turkey never completed their end. They are entitled to nothing.
It’s a reasonable point of vew.
Very good points. Attacking turkish obscuration post will only play into hands of Syria enemies. Those turkish clowns there are no threat at all but in contrary if you know what I mean.
I enjoy strategic ideas, and frankly its all we can really theorise about.
It can stay and they can starve.
Yep, well said, and send the invoice for the food etc. to the Turkish government!
Turkey seems to be Zionist spy, as any other NATO force in Syria. It’s sad but not surprising either since Turkey is not on good terms with Arab countries, for many reasons especially British and French meddling after WW1 and also Western disregard for agreements with then Ottoman empire. It’s funny tho, what Brits have done on Zionist behalf seems to be haunting them and that curse wont stop unless they make formal apology to Arabs.
Time will come soon Turks leaving Syria takn their Nusra and ISIS flags with’ em , patience, this will be a syrian victory.
Exactly, I would hold off the cheering until the Turkeys are excelled or cooked. This is a bizarre situation as an invading army is sitting in the middle of Idlib comfortably while Putin is cutting deals with ErrDOGan. The SAA should cook the 150 Turkeys and terrorists in the Morek pocket or they will look totally impotent.
The Tiger Forces move like lightning! They are all heroes!
That went amazingly fast. Which shows what good preparation can accomplish.
Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
Turkish observation post now under siege :)
Closing this pocket means SAA have shortened their contact lines by around 25km, which frees up decent amount of SAA manpower and equipment in area, and also means the militants have lost an eight-year old heavily entrenched and fortified defensive line, that ran right across the pocket, and was previously a major obstacle, and flank issue, for any SAA movements northwards from Hama toward Idlib. This is notable SAA tactical gain.
It also means that chemical weapon investigators can search the pocket for evidence of White Helmet provocations.
Sadly i think it is too late for any conclusive evidence. Unlike with Ghouta. But i dont think false flags will repeat them with Idlib. US and Turkey seem more or less accepting the fact that the Jihadists must be eliminated. US has more or less given up on regime change. They use the Kurds to still have some say in the settlement, some ways of influence. But they accepeted that Assad will stay, and that the Jihadists are of no more use, only a problem. And Erdogans objective is the Kurds, and the HTS etc. Jihadists showed that they have no more loyalty anymore to Erdogan, so he will even be happy that the SAA will eliminate them. Despite the turkish propaganda for the domestic audience, where Erdogan needs to show he stands by “the innocent people of Idlib”. But thats about it.
Don’t you think there is already enough evidence?
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-20/us-supported-syrian-white-helmets-involved-war-crimes-committed-rebel-groups
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Brave Wahhabis…worst fucking scum of the World. I remember recruiting young lads in ’96 around, I can not explain how evil they are, because I saw that situation (recruiting) in person. They’d take boys up some hill and play them some tapes from dictaphone, those were recordings of theirs successful exorcisms and chasing out jinns out of humans. Guess how many boys were terrified and automatically brainwashed, that fell into that mental trap of them, ready to spread it more and do most terrifying crimes around the Globe? Almost every single one.
THAT WAS FAST, WELL DONE. Perhaps the SAA engineers should dig an anti tank trench around Fort Erdogan. :) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/19f4390a50829580ce711be745f03d64860ee8a12906690568bec58c89ef5513.jpg
The only logical response is to give a 24 hour ultimatum to the Turkeys and then unleash Kornets on the soft skinned vehicles. There are also 500 headchopper terrorists in the Morek terror pocket being protected by the Turkeys. This is the most bizarre military situation ever.
SAA and Turkey are not at war. this is a huge embarrassment for Erdogan. How many Turks at the “OP”, 300+? Agreed that this situation is bizarre.
I hope it’s full with terrorist, so they starve faster, but yet, SAA must resist the tentation of attacking that spot.
marvellous news the pocket djihadist of north hama liquided in 24 Hours yesss!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33a66229e342c20105de03cdd64c4b356b003727bac2ad7d2775af20935dd4f6.jpg
Great job SAA! Now the turkish soldiers in Morek’s “observation post” can have undisturbed fun with their Jihadi friends. That should be fun.
Bad day for Tonto along with his Zionist buddies in Tel-Aviv ;(
LOL ur profile pic at least 5 ppl ive seen have it to turks r probably raging
Yeah one pro-SAA user on liveuamap had the idea for all SAA supporters to take this as our profile pic.
i want to make it my prof pic to but u know… im a nose so its kinda hard
You mean the nose with the size and form of a rocket? :0
Now what will be interesting is, whats next? Move in from Latakkia and south and meet up in the middle of Idlib? I think the descision will be made in the call between Putin and Erdogan, and later in the next meeting of Putin and Rouhani with Erdogan in Turkey.
Putin has said on numerous occasions that Russia supports their ally Syria but every decision is up to Syria. Whatever Russia and Turkey agree upon i believe that Putin will respect Assad’s opinion over the future operations. At least Syrian position is well known, they wont stop until every inch of Syria is liberated. I truly hope that Putin will stay behind his words and if he does, we shall enjoy in liberated Syria sooner than anyone expected. Militants lost when Aleppo was liberated, it was point of no return for them.
Sorry Saso, but it is a bit naive to just go by diplomatic babble.
It is a complex web of power, and Syria is more of less not in a position to act on its own agenda. The Syrian position as you cite was also, that they regard any Turkish presence in Syria as illegal. Still Turkey is there present, as a diplomatic gift for Erdogan by Putin, to in turn get Erdogan integrated into the bigger plan of Putin for the region and even for world geopolitics.
Russia is not Soviet Russia, and has nothing what counts as allies, e.h. 100%. Putin has always said his strategy is to be a meditator in MENA, something like the US pretended to be, and that his plan is to build good relations and partner with all countrys in the region. You can see this clearly not only in his relationship with Turkey, but also with Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE, etc.
Also Assads personal relationship with Putin is pretty damaged after the downing of the Russian plane in the Israeli attack, and after Assad refused the Russian writen new “constitution”, that would have led to a loss of power for Assad and his Baathist ideology, while giving much power to the western supported “revolution” leaders.
So this strategy has NO “allies vs enemy”, but an approch here Russia develops relationships with all countrys according to Russias interest, and Russian interest alone. And Russias interests in a successfull relationship with Turkey (Economicly, Pipelines, Nuclear Power project dozens of billions of dollars worth) often did trump Russias interest in Syria, at least in the last year.
Erdogans warming ties with US and NATO in regard to the Idlib deal changed the equation, pushing Russia into stepping up their support for the SAA again, which enabled the SAA to make the Hama operation that now has concluded.
So it is complex, and nothing black and white. And it is constantly evolving.
“Erdogans warming ties with US and NATO in regard to the Idlib deal changed the equation,” should of course be
“Erdogans warming ties with US and NATO in regard to the North Syria Safe Zone deal changed the equation,”
Of course that Russia has it’s own interests but this situation is not what you think it is. Turkey has suffered greatly from terrorist attacks and groups affiliated with PKK who managed to wage terror campaign from Syrian soil. That in return gave Turkey pretty good reason to make a buffer zone until situation in Syria resolves. Putin has nothing to do with that.
Most basic fact here is that Russia seems to be respectful towards other nations sovereignty and if they are to be consistent they won’t meddle with Syrian constitution. From where did you get such information? If that is true it truly compromises the image which Russia is trying to build under Putin. So far he did good job, managed to make new ties around the world and Putin is smart enough not to risk that new Russian image by making demands which suit third party, Turkey in this case.
So it is black and white if you are informed because there is clear line between respecting sovereignty and making demands. Do you think that Putin is now starting to act like USA? USA has lost a lot of it’s soft power projection and influence, Russia doesn’t have such luxury to lose their hard earned position which Putin’s administration was building over the years. Downing of Russian plane is clear case of Zionist try to worsen relationship between Syria and Russia, but that has failed and if you were looking at satellite imagery and what was released form Russian official channels there is no doubt about it. That case has nothing to do with reshaping Putin’s opinion of Assad, do not be silly.
FYI Russia has strategical interest to be present in Latakia and few other locations in Syria as it gives them fantastic opportunities to stay in this new game of electronic warfare. Without physically being near US assets they would risk to oversee a lot of additions in US military – additions which are largely tested in Israel since Trump took office. That is politics, that is geopolitical strategy which is made for next 20-30 years ahead. It has nothing to do with personal relations and so called ”50 shades of grey” logic. Things are always black and white in it’s essence, when it comes to interests and geopolitics. This is turning point, whoever takes advantage in Africa and ME and whoever fortify them selves there he will stay strong in next century. There is a reason why China is also involved in Syria but you seem to disregard that.
I trust President Putin. This is the most complicated conflict for more than a century I think.
Not my president, but I trust him to act rationally and in his country’s best interests. With the exception of Assad, everyone else meddling in Syria act more like crack-heads with their hair on fire, running around the streets in a frenzy, no pants on, shouting at invisible enemies and snatching purses from old ladies. Oh, and armed with an AK, unpinned grenade and a suicide vest.
One consequence of the digital world is that we are able to instantly communicate with others around the globe as never has before been possible.
We all tend to expect the instant delivery of our desires.
Syria without the support of Hezbollah and Iran pre 2015 would have fallen to the US Coalition of Terror and would have most likely resulted in a genocide of millions, including the Kurds. The US only started to court the Kurds when ISIS was being defeated and it was from then that Erdogan was at odds with the US.
Russia became directly involved in 2015 and provided the airpower and military logistics that Iran could not. Since 2015 the US Coalition has gradually been degraded. We are now in the latter stages of the war, in my opinion, and as the US Coalition slowly fractures, so will the impetus of Syrian victories increase. That is not to say there cannot be setbacks for the SAA, although I hope any setbacks will me minor, but when we consider that NATO ,Israel, Saudi Arabia , the Gulf States and the US have spent countless billions of dollars to destroy Syria, and continue to do so, there is no timetable for the final solution as yet .
It seems to be complicated but it really is not. Western coalition made to remove Assad from power and by doing that they (West) wanted to ensure new Middle East reality, policy which they, along with Israel pursue for decades now. White Helmets, their financiers and operation alliances tell this story in the best way. They even got Oscar award which is, bmo, proof that West has greatly financed this war. That is not complicated but i get what you mean.
The issue I was really referring to was the continuing shifting of allegiances of the middle and minor players in the Syrian conflict, including nations that have limited their support to non military means.
Yes, that’s why i said that i get what you mean.
After Arab spring and all which followed it has shifted power greatly. Libya might became terrorist nest and fertile land for Mossad false flag op’s. Actually Gaddafi said it and explained well in his speech at UN in 2009 as i remember. His every word was proven to be real. All that said allegiances do not mean much, even tho it seems to be deciding factor. Best example is Egypt. Majority of people are against close relationship with Israel (and for good reason, namely energy sector controversies) but that doesn’t mean that politics are made differently. Now apply that case of Egypt’s natural allegiance (they have lost tens of thousands of people in wars with Israel) to other regional nations…
Sure, i would love and respect if it wasn’t the case but it is unfortunately. It seems that moral high ground and natural conduct are not existing.
Yes I agree.
I think the SAA will take the high ground west and east of the highway then keep moving north while units start advancing west into the valley that runs up to Idlib. That’ll create two more salients which will be difficult for the extremists to defend, forcing them to withdraw.
Hm, seems pretty plausible! The highway is crucial for Syrian economy anyway, and it would make logistics easier. And as the cleanup of the pocket seems to go fast, maybe SAA will use the time before next Astana meeting to make facts. Though Putin needs to throw Erdogan some bone for his domestic turkish audience, that now goes crazy. Sadly its all political. And patience is running thin. But all in all Putins tactic payed off it seems, even though it is more a slow diplomatic dance than a one dimendional full force approach.
The prime issues are continued attacks on the Russian airbase and the continued terror shelling of Aleppo city.As the terror gangs are squeezed it allows them to concentrate more manpower locally against Syrian troops.
A terrorist assault on Aleppo is possible and I would think that the SAA has considered that.
The security of the Russian airbase is alao a worry and its possible that long range and accurate artillery could be ‘found ‘ by terrorists along with the trained crews to use them.
That means all the militants fled before the pocket was closed.
What’s the estimate of how many got away? 20,000?
WTF… Really? Even CENTCOM couldn’t evacuate them that fast. Sorry, SAA – show me the piles of thousands of dead/prisoner head-choppers. If not, then this didn’t happen like it was portrayed. They left a week or two ago and you would have known that. What’s the point of misleading everyone about it? Why was their exodus a secret?
SAA had to secure the top of the pocket first, and then move in to secure the rest. That also takes time and manpower. There might be some rats in hiding. :)
Could be. Or else Turkey has already agreed to withdraw militants and hand over everything up to the northern edge of Idlib. If so, I would expect to see a similar series of relatively easy SAA advances in Idlib. Here’s the problem with that, though: no prisoners, no dead jihadis. So where are they all going to go? West and north of Aleppo? This is just relocating them for future mayhem. Undoubtedly, Erdogan will use many of them to eliminate Kurds from Afrin to the Euphrates for a Turkish-lackey head-chopper safe zone.
The ‘north edge of Idlib’ is my guess based on were a half-million head-chopper-aligned refugees have been going until now – turkey is not letting them across the border. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/72fed980d0932c9041cbcc76b89316e1602bed13a321b1b2141e1e5e039cb9ab.png
More good news ! Thanks man!
I think we need to pay more attention to what was agreed upon during Erdogan’s visit to China. What he said there showed a major change in Turkey’s strategy related to Uyghurs.
Many of Salafists in Idlib were shipped from Central Asia and western China, TIP is one of major forces remained and among the most fanatics.
If Erdogan no longer sees any use for them and has thrown the Syrian Turkestani Islamic Party (TIP) head-choppers under the bus (as he suggested in China re: the Uyghurs) then he could easily cut off their funding. Syrian TIP is funded by appeals for donations to accounts in Turkish banks and through the Turkish postal system. TIP itself is based in Afghanistan and Pakistan and doesn’t provide much support to the Syrian arm.
Confusing, because SyTIP must know about Erdogan’s China comments by now. SyTIP is mostly Uyghurs, so that can’t have gone over very well with them. The SAA is battling for the mountains overlooking the M4 and Jish as Sugur (now populated by Uyghur head-choppers and squatter families). The SAA is having a hell of a time (expected) taking over Kabanah, which is largely defended – fiercely – by TIP. Why? Have their families left Jish as Sugur if that’s part of Erdogan’s ‘deal’? Can’t see why it wouldn’t be considering Erdogan’s flip-flop support.
https://twitter.com/Elly_Ammar/status/1164592468039483394
Kind of related: al Qaeda Wahhabi cleric in Idlib forbids followers from joining HTS, who have ramped up some kind of recruitment campaign. Says HTS ‘protects these filthy Turks who are apostates from the religion of Islam by adopting secularism’ He sounds pissed off, even by Wahhabi cleric standards. al Qaeda head-choppers have added Turks (new player) and HTS (repeat player) to infidel kill lists. Well, that helps clarify… absolutely nothing!.
Yes, you are hitting on a very tricky point – very observant! The withdrawal has already happened last week, and not in the last few days. It is a mystery for sure. Why was their exodus a secret? – A possible explanation: openly declared withdrawal would have enraged israel and Centcom (not to mention some alphabet agencies) and that could have triggered a whole series of false flags (gas or otherwise), mysterious aerial attacks, bombings of Damascus, Tomahawk salvos (Wohl’s favourite), assassinations in Ankara, paid riots in Moscow etc. Secrecy seems necessary in this situation. If that’s how it went down, top marks for Putin and Erdogan for pulling it off without israel barking at the door. I guess we’ll wait for some revelations in the next week or so.
Wow SAA steamrolling, rebel forces in major trouble! Jishur in Lattakia a major problem still…
why are they having a tough time breaking jihadi defenses in kabani in Latakia…SAA have tried many times I believe. Hopefully after they clear the rest of morek Pocket, they Will try again or head up the M5 towards the next city mar’at nu’man. It’s been a very interesting few days.
Look at the map, Lattakia is.mountains.
It seems to me that the attack on Kabani is not entirely wholehearted. It may be that its true purpose is to keep Western Idlib on its toes for the possible breakthrough in Kabani. To tie down reserves and supplies, so that the assault in the South goes more smoothly. N Hama now reclaimed, we’ll see what happens in Kabani. Personally my feeling is that it will be taken in the next week or so. We’ll see.
It’s interesting: what about Turkish observation point that was near Morek?
observation point observe
observed point now…
It’s now an Obsolete Post! ;)
Residents of Sqalabiyah celebrating about SAA’s victory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=516MV7fuN5g&list=LLZoz–hCTGXn5CvdfybqjQg&index=2&t=31s
Surprisingly, its not being shown on the BBC :)
Yeah very weird.
I’m so happy for Syrian people and their brave soldiers. Being of Slavic background, I have to commend Russia for stopping this catastrophe. They did the right thing. I piss on American media (Tucker Carlson spoke against this once) for towing the Joo line and hiding the truth from the American people.
Great news indeed.
Look at all that farmland in the east. And the farms of the ghab plain in the West. Once recovered, Syria can depend less on food aid.
It’s a Shame the raqqa countryside is still under occupation. That’s very fertile land.
So how the hell this happen ( ofc in a good sense) I was expecting months of fighting and the Turks where did they go, I mean everyone was encircled what happen? Can someone explain to me in short????
Brave Wahhabis, clap, clap, clap…flee all together. What do you going to say and explain that to your Israeli, Saudi, American masters? They have already started to kill and clean witnesses, as we just saw in Idlib. ‘WE DON’T WANT WITNESSES!’
It’s not fully liberated yet, there’s still one more group to expel and one more building to raze to the ground, and it looks like the SAA have just arrived to do exactly that. “Quick Mustapha, tell me what you can see when you look out the window”, “Oh dear Allah, all I can see are heaps of SAA soldiers and tanks, and they have our OB post totally surrounded, what should we do president Erdogan”.
Good progress, BUT long, long way from liberating rest of Iblib governate, ALL of northern Syria west of Euphrates remains under enemy occupation. STILL have not cleared NE Ladhakia, Jisr ash-Shughour and even west Halab (Aleppo). Look at map and get some perspective.