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On October 22, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and its allies advanced towards the ISIS border stronghold of al-Bukamal from the government-held city of al-Mayadin in the province of Deir Ezzor. The SAA liberated Khsham, Makham and Quriyah.
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Got to be quick with that, the US terrorist, Kurds and ISIS are set to keep all the eastern banks of the Euphrates given the recent developments. US/SDF & ISIS might strike another deal and make it to Bukamal while the SAA lags on the other side of the river.
If ISIS hands over everything north of the Euphrates to SDF and lets SDF cross into Al Bukamal, then I hope SDF gets bombed to kingdom come. I can see this treachery happening in the future.
If the SDF continues going down this path. We might see another Kirkuk.
I wouldn’t count on it. The SAA and Iraqi army are apples and oranges. I also cannot predict if Russia would help. Plus you have the US army occupying Tabqa Airbase and how are they going to be removed?
Sound comment.
Talks should start soonest.
If recent Iraq events are a template, don’t expect US to hang around Syria very much longer now that Trump has conquered Raqqa.
So long as my government is a puppet of Israel, I cannot trust it to do the right thing in the Middle East.
Which government is that? Israel is a very tiny place. Don’t know how much it really controls.
US
US tries to keep the Middle East relatively stable. The main Problem is that the natives in region like killing, robbing and raping each other too much.
“US tries to keep the Middle East relatively stable.”
Funding, training and arming terrorists doesn’t produce a stable region.
Right sort of like US forces stationed in Japan and the hundredsd of military bases around the globe. Get out of Syria, you pigs!
U post a lot lies and Propaganda
Israel is the tail wagging the dog and controls the foreign policy of the US in the ME. It’s also noteworthy that the tail of the dog is located near another smelly point.
Conquered = carpet bombed
Give the Syrians Iskandar
It might be a mistake to confuse YPG/PKK withe KRG. PKK has fought Turks for nearly 40 years. Attacking them might not be wise.
“..YPG/PKK withe KRG.”
Nope! Agenda is the same, just in different countries.
US led coalition fought with ISIS and liberated Raqqa, North Deir Ezzor, Mosol etc from ISIS, right. Where dead bodies of ISIS gone, where are those dead bodies now? Who brings ISIS commanders in helicopters from Syria and Iraq to Tora bora in Afghanistan? Who gives training to ISIS in Afghanistan? Why US led coalition not doing carpet bombing on Tora Bora now? Near Al-Tanf in South Syria there is no ISIS terrorist area then what US led coalition is doing in Al-Tanf terrorist camp? ————————————————————————————————————- <<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ————————————————————————————————————-
All of these US-led wars are to depopulate the ME by outright killing or driving the local populations out and to Europe as refugees so that Israel has more lebensraum.
Didn’t realize Israel had such a large population. More jews probably live in New York than Israel.
Jews, a tribe vs. Zionists as thieves and terrorists. The two are not equal. Many Jews are not Zionists but Zionists profess to be Jews. Also, Zionists are the largest lobbying group in the US, but then you knew that already didn’t you? You also know how much control they exhibit in Congress through their money. You’re not fooling anyone!
The Oded Yinon Plan, and you know it. Mr Kenneth Disinformation.
Israel are also American and English. See their passports. Even they can go to America and UK without Visa and can stay there for ever.
And Russian pasports.
Russian are in minority in Israeli refugees. Majority are of America and of UK.
Agreed. Have a look what they are doing in Africa as well.
I feel like the SAA isn’t too worried about fighting the SDF if they have to in the future. The only thing the SAA has to worry about is obviously the US threats to strike them again like they did in April of 2017. Damascus should try to grant them some powers in the central government once the war is over. But if the US wants more of syria, Then we might see another Kirkuk in the future if they don’t reconcile. I hope it doesn’t result to this, But the SDF must play their cards the right way or They’ll face not just Syria but Turkey,Iran and Maybe Iraq in the future.
Unless, of course, you are completely wrong and SDF was never a threat to SAA in the 1st place.
SDF became a threat the day they invited the US onto Syrian soil .
US led coalition army play double role as of ISIS as well as of SDF.
Agreed.
But the Kurds had some powers in the central government before.
The kurds got played by the Yanks AGAIN, just as they were in Iraq.
Let SAA take the west banks of the river and SDF the east side.
I see no need for SDF to cross the river to the west near the Iraqi border. An exception would be if IS defeats SAA there, unlikely imo.
I see no need for SDF to get involved with the islamists in Al Tanf, unless they are under control of SDF.
SAA and SDF should have talks on the future of Syria. The Ba’ath alawite family regime is finished in Northern Syria. Cooperation and coordination however is urgently needed.
Lets kick the illegals out of Syria and give the country back to the Syrian govmnt.
Yes, we know you’re an Israeli troll dutch. That’s why your comments promote US or Israeli foreign policy, often quite cleverly (by ellipsis or suggestion).
I thank you for your weird compliment.
I told you a few times, you must be an israeli Bitch.
They are a regime? How can an elected government be a regime?
Being elected says nothing in itself. Only free elections make a real elected government. And even then it can become a regime.
Hitler was democratically elected. Does that make his government other then a regime?
The same goes for Erdogan.
And democracy is NOT the dictatorship of 50%+1
Today we have been witnessing the collapse of an unsound strategy of the SAA Command. A strategy built upon an unnecessary confrontation between SAA and SDF.
Maybe this can be the start of a better, non confrontational strategy.
I really doubt that was the SAA strategy. Perhaps you are listening to too much media noise. This AMN reports states the current output of Omar may be less than 750 barrels per day, so it will take much time and effort in rebuilding 7500 bpd capacity. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/even-syrias-al-omar-oil-fields-kurdish-forces-lose-150-times-oil-iraq/
Imo SDF will either sell the oilfields to Rossneft or they will make a prioduction deal with Assad and his cronies. All expenses and 2/3 of revenue to Assad and 1/3 of revenue towards Northern Syria.
They can’t really do much with those fields, except setting them on fire, like i’ve said previously, kurds will be blocked, even if they will take those fields, they won’t be able to use them.
That is why they will make a deal with Assad, a deal that already exists for other oilfields.
Agreed, I have been saying for some time the oil fields are almost worthless to SDF.
It will take years and billions to fix those oil fields, if it is even possible. Isis may have damaged the reservoir(s) beyond repair.
Damage probably not that bad. Anyways: ON TO AL BUKAMAL :) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2d710672b7557a9673c3aaeaf356dd439480e47eb5d0a2fb8ce56d9e0f2c457d.jpg
I was just thinking that maybe SAA doesn’t really want to go to Bukamel nor does SDF, which may explain why neither have tried very much to get there yet.
If SDF has no interest, that’s great! The SAA route through T2 was always a problem with long open flanks in the desert (to push a large force along this axis with a very limited supply road). Iraqi army is still saying they are going to advance on Al Qaim. This would help a great deal.
No “Natural” Interest. I wouldn’t blame the Kurds if they told Brett McGurk to ____ _____ _____f after McGurk betrayed KGR who fought his war v ISIS for him. He’s another Obama hold over who might be fired.
Abu Kamal
Not according to Wikimapia. I guess it depends on which dialect you are reading on the map. :)
America change the name of God so they can change of a town or city too.
King James was English or Scottish ?
Both.
Strategy built upon unnecessary confrontation is coming from US, the illegal occupier, SAA are in their own country. They don’t have the legitimacy being there so stop talking like they do.
Imo SAA/Assad gave away their legitimacy re the kurds and northern Syria when they abandoned them to IS and other islamists in 2012 and beyond.
That is probably a correct restatement the of the current view of sovereignty under international law. Failure to provide Security may result in a Lapse in Sovereignity.
Now you claim to know international law . War is a lapse of sovereignty , but not by choice . Americas horror child ISIS attacking Syria does not constitute the Assad government “abandoning them” as claimed by dutchnational .
Ronald, international law can be very complicated. There are number of issues used to determine sovereignty and whether or not a country is a failed state. The modern trend is to focus not only on defending the borders; but also on defending the people within said borders. Syria has failed in both regards and is definitely a “failed state.”
SAA evacuated most of North Eastern Syria in 2012 because Assad prioritized fighting FSA, SAA and islamists. They took all heavy weapons and kurds had nothing to defend themselves with except for light arms.
That is plain abondoning them.
Seems ddutch has new conspiracy theories. SAA is still present in Hasaka & Qamishli. Had it not been for SAA fierce resistance, Hasaka City would have fallen to dash in Summer 2015.It was none other but Damascus who first armed Kurds with heavy weapons and armor, all of which was handed over to them by SAA, who withdrew into the largest cities, where majority of the population concentrated. This strategy was used across the whole country!
The fact Damascus initially armed Kurds, and used intelligence & tribal contacts to convince Kurds to organize and fight back against dash is presently explained as Damascus’ greatest blunder of the whole war!
I suspect SAA realize their limitations. I suspect that, they will concentrate on regaining the oilfields and other areas near the Iraqi borders. I think they are quietly re planning the Raqqah offensive later down the line.It would be a 3 country offensives. This is why Iran army people were in Syria last week. Syria is doing it’s best and, we should applaud their progress thus far. They also have 50 countries fighting them via terrorists plus the Jews plus the KURDS..
Not Jews, zionists, the enemies of Judaism.
Commendations on making the distinction; Zionism is a pernicious ideology that will lead to the destruction of Israel. Israel should exist, but as a secular state with close and friendly ties to it’s neighbours, not as an American beachhead for global shit stirring run by morally bankrupt fascists.
Israel and the SDF are the next big player in West Syria. A border with Iran is a dream come true for Israel proxy force.
Better late than never, SAA should have advanced to Bukamel weeks ago. The quick hop from Dez to Mayadeen was a good plan; and should have been made to Bukamel. Now that Iraq has oddly decided to attack KRG, it’s proably not going to be much help for a while.
This looks like another Isis pocket to be cleared in the making. Actually two, one against the Jordanian border and another against the Iraqi border. Where hopefully Syria will work with Iraq on shutting down Israelistan in the making. And clearing these pockets will put the Syrian government coalition in a much stronger position to reestablish Syrian sovereignty in Kurdish held areas.
Kurds have the own rights, somebody supports Assad, who terrorized so many people in his country, so Kurds also have some rights to defend themselves after hundreds of years of genocide from Turkey from Iraq. Unluckily it’s Israel now, but i do remember that Kurds voted for something in Iraq (0,73*93%), and Iraq just took over the oilfields, he didn’t really wanted the people in it. (just the next day called BP) I don’t think that anybody can blame Kurds for independence as i don’t think that Turkey/Assad/Iraq can be trusted not to commit genocide in the near future against Kurds again.
Can you provide supporting documentation for your allegations?
What I’ve seen is that the Kurds are involved in land theft and ethnic cleansing in Syria and Iraq. Not the other way around.
If Kurds are going to power and we see evidence on cleansing than you can be right. I’m not on either side, but i was not far away from Iraq and Syria nowadays and i have heard many things personally. Old men just spoke to me, that the biggest problem was in Syria, that Alawites ruled everything, and there wasn’t even a chance that somebody with different ethnicity just has got responsible position, Iraq i think it was the same. The war did start because of reasons, even if it was “proxy” war or not. Focus on the real reasons, why it’s started (has it been solved yet?), instead of deviating the fact and pointing to something else (what everybody is used to here – your conversation simply not constructive – i have any idea draw an ethnic map and send to the Kurds leader – disputed area needs to deside where to go and that’s it – but to be honest at the middle of the country there is Sunni population – i have an idea where they want to go if there is two choices – go with Assad, or go with the Kurds). Why Kurd wants free state, why they are not happy with Assad or with Iraq, why local population supported ISIS at first in Mosul, and realized later that it was a bad decision? So the thing is i don’t think that any nation on that peninsula is different, and i think when Kurds are coming to power, the first thing will be to force their own language use among Arabs also, but what i would like to say, the leaders hasn’t been really changed who caused this mess. It’s imperative that it needs to be changed, and after that we can say that Kurds are not democratic etc., but without it your words haven’t any meaning. Leaders mean Assad and Iraqi leaders, Turkey first, Iran, Saudi Arabia second, Israel, US, Russia third. Under Kurds control, Sunni state has better chance anyway. If there wouldn’t be a balance of power in Syria, i think we would see the next similar war within a decade. Don’t forget it’s the second war in Iraq at least.
There was no war in Syria before the regime change invasion. The war wasn’t caused by Syria, it was caused by outside intervention.
Kurds are a fringe element part of the foreign intervention:
https://i0.wp.com/sahipkiran.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Kurdish-Majority-areas-in-Syria-.jpg?resize=634%2C447
We know that, the question is, if we remove the Sunni population from the equation, what will left for Assad. Can you draw me a map about Iraq? How Sunni population can get better chance to be free? If Kurds will divide than very likely Sunni will divide, but if Kurds not than we are going back what it was, which makes further conflicts either way. Ok, Assad imported some thousands fighters, Saudi exported some, but the thing is, how they are so powerful, than USA and Russia and the whole world does not beat them within a year with using aircraft? That’s the problem here. Even with the good will, it simply stinks.
You’re English is so bad that it’s unintelligible. Try using a translator. I’m not going to reply to posts that can’t be understood clearly.
Sorry for my bad English, although my concern is, that you understood what i wanted to say, but when you disagree, as you cannot really argue with it, than my English is bad.:) Does not really matter, we don’t decide how this shit will end. I removed all my comments with the “bad English”. Hope it helps.
Put your English posts into a translator into your own language and see the garbled rubbish that you’re sending people. Before you falsely accuse people for objecting to it.
Translators are useless. Sometimes I use them to translate arab comments. The results are hardly understandable.
Microsoft:
Souveränitätsverlust gegenüber jedem Vertragspartner? Die Schweiz als souveräner Staat unterhält mit vielen, ja mit fast allen Staaten dieser Welt vertragliche Beziehungen. Sie hat sich in den letzten Jahren und Jahrzehnten insbesondere erfolgreich um Freihandelsverträge bemüht. Sie war der erste nichtasiatische Staat, der mit Südkorea – einem unserer wichtigsten Wirtschaftspartner – einen Freihandelsvertrag auszuhandeln vermochte. Auch mit China ist der Schweiz ein Freihandelsabkommen gelunge
Loss of sovereignty over each Contracting Party? Switzerland, as a sovereign state, maintains contractual relations with many, indeed almost all, states of this world. In recent years and decades, it has been particularly successful in seeking free trade agreements. It was the first non-Asian state to use South Korea, one of our most important economic partners, to The free trade agreement. Switzerland also has a free trade agreement with China
http://www.bing.com/translator
This seems reasonable. I often use google translate and it is awful.
However, does it work also from arab, chinese and other languages that are not related to english?
Reasonable is addressing the root cause of the conflict, which you refuse to do, rather than fueling it like you do every day. It’s spelled J e w .
My english is fine for the rest of the world. I can hardly understand twitters from arabic and its worse then if a tank gets into being an aquarium with tigers.
Your English wouldn’t pass an elementary school writing test. If you didn’t correct it you would be held back and placed in a class for mental defectives and provided psychiatric care.
Are you currently under psychiatric care?
He is right, your English is not good enough
The map taken from one of the links dont say where kurds are fx 49%. I also dont say, what majority is. If fx Turkmen are 40% and Kurds and arabs are 30 each, do Turkmen have majority. 60% are not Turkmen.
If its actually a warmap in stead, its says where kurds almost defenceless were pushed back to.
But it doesnt say, that Tukey already had recieved almost 3 million refugees none made by them.
You gave too totally propagandiest links from a Turkish one.
Let me take and example. The green show kurdish majority areas. Thats 51% and up – isnt it. But are there no kurds, where they only are 49. The map shows that – No kurds.
Another example 40% turkmen, 30% arabs, 30% kurds. Thats a Turkmen majority. No an alliance with arabs and kurds to a town Major election or a Counsil gives 60 % hands up
By that the map indicate NOTHING. Its just a cheep trick.
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And let me remind You that the almost 3 million refugees in Turkey came in BEFORE KURDS & SDF were more then forks and hunting rifles.
The big mainpart of Your refugees were made by Your former friends in ISIS, Which You supported HARD YOURSELF.
And we do remember You went on after USA said no and by that supported terror in Nato and EU.
You’re English is so bad that it’s unintelligible. Try using a translator. I’m not going to reply to posts that can’t be understood clearly.
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I dont write this for You. All people should know much things are biasedin the worst constructebles.
But it becomes easier to understand Your Dictator, if most insanities are based on this kind of crap.
The map made by PKK in their version of Kurdistan is made in exact same way. It erodes all the turks away in same exelent kind of dirty procedure.
I think the war at least for ISIS will be over a month as Iraq, SAA and Kurd haven’t any hurdle, just a simple push. (Iraq got the territory what he wanted for a while, SAA hasn’t any ISIS pocket for now, and Kurds finished Raqqa) After that who knows what will happen, but at least ISIS will be crushed. Any other party can deal with, as if you are not biased nobody can be seen as terrorist, even the PKK. (PKK in my eye like IRA) They are making some attacks because a 30-35 million people nation hasn’t even a homeland for thousands of years. They cannot fight with three countries directly, that’s why proxy wars were so common in this region. If you define terrorist, who will be? I think terrorist is, who terrorize the average people, when they come to power. So Erdogan i think terrorist, Assad also, ISIS also. Does not really matter who is coming to power, if the average people sucks, it can be a king, or the pope, does not really matter. That’s what this discussion does not really reflect. If ISIS would have been the Sunni branch of the protest, and the average people would have lived peacefully than Syria and Iraq wouldn’t even exist right now, because nobody would have the cause to say i’m fighting against terrorism.
Do you notice that SAA does not want to cross Euphrates river to get Omar oil fields ? Hummm, there is something strange here, very strange.
I think, yes it’s strange, but the oil field is a card. I think USA know what kind of person is Assad. So probably oil field won’t be Kurd territory but it will be some replacement later on. You can look at Afrin. There are many things, what i think, that consolidate the war between SAA and SDF. It’ a little bit bigger game. You know there is Turkey at the background at Idlib, so Turkey needs to be pushed from both sides back. Once with Russia, once with USA as a Nato ally, so i think it’s a little bit bigger game, than just an oil field, which is 150 thousands smaller in barrel, what Kurds lost within days in Iraq.
By doing this, they offer the Omar fiels on a gold plate to the SDF, so the Yankee trannies !
I wonder if Syria has negotiated with the SDF to cleanly separate eachother, maybe they agreed to let the SDF take over the eastern bank of the Euphrates while they keep the western part, because from what I see, the SAA is mostly advancing >along< the river, not beyond it, save a few cases. And now with the SDF-ISIS deal it seems like that's case.
i thought it was a race for oil….each one had its own bank of the river to clear…..recently SAA made another attempt to cross the river and go for the oil fields but i guess the race is over now…..instead of SDF running for the prize …the prize was handed over to them
Handed to them by those who do not own them . This “deal” can not stand .
Russian strategy planners are well aware of the capabilities of both SAA as well as the Russian forces stationed in SYria…..they are overstretched, face logistics nightmare sudden attacks in the desert as well as in ‘no conflict’ zones….maybe the welcome the deal…and leave this to diplomacy after the war
I have thought about this and came to a different conclusion.
Imo it was a combination of logistics and focus.
Lack of logistics caused by not having pontoon bridge elements available and by lack of focus of SAA, entering in crossing attempts that were costly and tactically unsound because of the lack of bridge elements.
Had they advanced only on the west side, they would have been in Al Bukamal by now and SDF would have had more opposition from IS and be far away and then they could have crossed with bridge elements and taken the borderzone.
but they have crossed the river and they have pontoon bridges…..you think that they are just not enough i guess right?
Will the retarded PMU on the iraqi side advance towards the border or what?!
it has the Kurds as priority now….coincidence ???now that the war is close to its end a new front arises for Iraq
Many months ago they were planning to advance towards the border but never did.
Allegedly, they wanted to, but Assad said no for some bizarre reason. In my view, this could be intentional and then all of a sudden they will enter the affray and a huge area with SDF will be surrounded with a pincer moment.
or maybe I am dreaming.
O.K. …. I have figured it out. Yes, there was a deal between the SDF-Kurds and the tribal leaders. However, I think that the SAA was also part of the same deal. It just can’t be reported right now.
Both the SAA and the SDF (and also the US) were very concerned that ISIS would set fire to all the oil wells if fighting took place for there possession. The result would be an environmental disaster similar to what happened in Kuwait in 1991 during the Gulf war. Therefore the SDF, already being in touch with the tribal leaders, and with the blessing of the SAA, made the deal, probably offering them immunity for their support for ISIS over the last few years.
Keep in mind that the SDF and the SAA made a deal just a few days ago for the SAA to take control of the Conoco gas plant, at the same time the SDF was having trouble defending the nearby Jafra oil field.
The recent crossing of the river by the SAA at al-Mayadin was nothing more than a bluff to try to speed up the SDF’s deal with the tribal leaders. The deal had been in the works for quite some time.
The only problem now that might mess up the deal is that there are still a lot of ISIS further East that are not going to be happy with the deal. They will now start to head toward the Omar oil field. The SDF-Kurds are going to need a lot of help to defend what they have gained by this deal.
That is where the SAA comes to the rescue and enters the Omar oil field to take possession. …
I am saying this with very sore heart USA strategy has unfortunately prevail.It is game over or war for Syria.Tabga airbase,gone to SDF,Omar oilfields gone,Albukamal gone,Raqqa gone,Eufrat Tabga dam gone.High way to Baghdad gone.Syrian Jordan border gone.Russia scared of WW3 also gone for secret deal’s. S-400 decorated for Russia only.Syrian oppression back.USA threat back.
US is commiting crimes and massacre in order to Keep Little satan-israel safe.
I cannot understand why SAA has moved towards Al Bukamal, instead of Omer Oil fields. It is so sad that SDF captured the fields.