The map shows a military situation in the Syrian city of Deir Ezzor after ISIS broke Syrian army defenses and split the government-held pocket into two separate parts.
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Military Situation In Deir Ezzor As ISIS Splits Government-Held Pocket Into Two (Map Update)
The target of the operation is the airbase.SAA should fast connect the 2 pockets or the airbase will probably fall.
137 base is more likely to fall before airbase. Airbase is more well defended.
assad, everything weill fal. today deir ez zor, tomorrow aleppo, over tomorrow damascus. you are not a stateman. ;)
Pretty difficult to be a statesman when you are fighting against massive combined forces of US-GB-FR-TU in NATO plus Saudi and Qatari unlimited money and weapons plus EU UN sanctions for SIX YEARS. You try it sometime, you wouldn’t last six weeks !
it is not so be hard with so much friends ;)
he failed. the is the truth. he was not to take whole latakia. he was not to able to mobilize the people and enhance the number of soldiers. weapons would get enough. the manpower is absent.
he stopped all attackw when got momentoum.
daraa, latakia, palmyra, aleppo 2x.
he lost the war. and the russians are also guilty. they play only own games.
This is a disaster.
This is what happens when you neglect fronts. Homs was neglected and this front, and now with SAA busy trying to regain Palyma which seemed to serve as a distraction so ISIS can try to finally take this city.
This is what happens when governments are inept and citizens are cowards; Obama freed up something like $150 billion in frozen funds for Iran and yet they can barely prop Syria up, despite being doomed, completely isolated at the very least, if Assad’s government falls. Secondly there’s between 10 to 15 MILLION people within government controlled areas and yet there’s a manpower shortage in the army?! Even after most of the army consists of foreign mercenaries? It’s insane.
exactly! teh civilians do not want to fight. ok, they will die.
Again you come to us with drivel. Iran , Hezbollah(who are not ‘foreign mercs.’), Russia and China(logistically) are doing a lot for Syria and her heroic army. But most of the heavy lifting is done by Syrians, and their army. The Syrian government is inept you say? The Syrian government has withstood an international led onslaught for 6 years now and no defections, or collapse. Israel would have collapsed in 6 months of the same onslaught(and it will someday, God willing).
Citizen cowards and shortage of manpower you say? Well, in a recent interview, Mr. Assad said that they have a ‘partial’ mobilization, because industries still need to function, as well as the state, students and subsequent generations have to go to University etc. If Syria went into ‘full mobilization, Syria will suffer more consequences in the short, medium and long term. Syria would regress. The SAA and allies have the situation under control. If they didn’t, whats to stop Syria’s allies from bringing in ‘divisions’ of professional soldiers and armor?
If Trump keeps fuckin with the Chinese which he seems to want to do, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Chinese PLA in Syria soon.
Just cut us a break, come out and say you hate all things Muslim , Arab including the heroic SAA.
Are Hezbollah from Syria? No. Then they’re foreign mercenaries. Funded by Iran just like the rest of them.
No defections?! HA! Tens of thousands defected to form the Free Syrian Army, among other groups. That’s the most basic fact of the war.
Better Israel than some Islamic hellhole, don’t forget that. It’s democratic, not some sharia dump, Israel is awesome, learn to love it. It’s made more advancements for humanity, in terms of innovations, patents, Nobel prizes etc. than the rest of the entire Islamic world combined. 8 million people have contributed more to the planet than over a billion, says everything. Perhaps if you Muslims spent less time being hyper aggressive and spending most of your time revering your paedo prophet then you’d do something worthwhile!
You don’t even need full mobilisation, just some. Say there’s 8 million men to choose from, all you’d need is 4% of that, just over 300,000 to decisively end this war. But they can’t even muster up half of that, because the citizens are cowards and choose to flee the country (90% in Europe are on their own, abandoning their families) rather than fight for their loved ones.
No sane person wouldn’t hate all things Muslim; you revolve your entire existence around a mass murdering paedophile. And you don’t think that’s even fucked up! The more I learn about the background of this all, of how Syria basically helped the Islamic invasion and takeover of Lebanon, the more it’s getting what’s coming to it with this war. They did exactly the same thing as the West/Gulf are doing with ISIS/Nusra; funding a foreign force to invade a secular country.
Hezbollah and Syria are all from the same background. Historically brother, cousins of the Levant. Not foreign mercs. .But you wouldn’t know that.
Its not about the quantity of soldiers, its about the quality of soldiers. Syria could field 1 million conscripts, but they would get in the way and then in, they have to be properly trained. A lot are as we speak. Why do you blame those poor war refugees? Mass human movements have always occurred throughout human history in time of war and conflict. But you wouldn’t know that.
Please, leave state craft for people who know about such things. Bashar is correct.
Your feeble, tired and lame attempts to discredit Prophet Muhammad will not work. Your not even worthy of understanding the truth, not some silly rumors or hateful speech for the spite of it. But I will tell you who the child and baby fuckers are, the Jews. Its right there in the Talmud. A baby up to 3 months old is permissible. , as the rabbi’s declared that the hymen repairs itself at young age for a girl. Go, read the Talmud, the book/s that todays Jews will tell you supersedes the Old Testament(which was written by Levite rabbis, not the true laws of Prophet Moses) anyways. Did you know that the Talmud regards blessed Mary as a harlot, and Jesus as ‘swimming in a vat of excrement’, and that he was possessed by the devil and practiced black magic. Speaking of magic, most of the time when I read your posts, I think your on some kind of magic mushrooms. Btw, Jews tried multiple times to kill
Hisham don’t waste your time arquing with 1/4 of 7 and other trolls. We both support the free democratic unified Syria without internal religious/sectarian conflict. Ignore the Islam bashers – one thing is clear about this war : Every day for the last six years Bibi Netanyau has been smiling as Arabs kill Arabs and the Arab nation gets destroyed.
Same background, so for example a French army should be allowed to interfere with German affairs, because they’re local? No, you mean because they’re Muslim, which for you takes precedence. Hezbollah were started and continue to be funded by Iran, so yes they are absolutely foreign backed mercenaries, because Lebanon don’t pay them.
“Poor war refugees”, you mean the ones that started a war with Christian Lebanese and took over the country?
” Mass human movements have always occurred throughout human history in time of war and conflict.”
So you accept Muslims invading a Christian country but you can’t accept Jews doing that to a Muslim area, kicking the Muslims out to the West Bank, just because they’re Jews right? You see? You use no logic, you’re inconsistent with yourself, because of Islamic hatred.
Official hadiths state his paedophilia. Speaks to the dangerous levels of ignorance and stupidity within Muslims that you don’t even know the most basic facts about the man you revere and see as perfect, because enlightenment is too much to bear.
Hisham you expressed exactly my sentiments Thank you.
Situation is difficult, not a disaster. Just give time for airstrikes to take effect and watch for SAA counterattack to close gap back up. There is no retreat or surrender for these combat tested SAA forces. ISUS will pay with many dead!
deir ez zor is lost.
Good comment, I agree. Problem is, too many people panic too easily. Deir Ezzor will hold.
Putin, pickup the red phone, tell Obama you’ll have to go nuclear. If there are any rats helping Isis, they need to pull out in 12 or get into the civilian areas. To think Russian airborne were practicing in Egypt in Nov.
Yes, I know this is stupid. Frustration Trumps all.
putin is coward to do something like this.
in october 2015 he told,tah russia could use also nuclear weapons (i have this report). words, nothing but words.
Not really show how much would be accomplished with a scattering of tactical nukes. The most western portions of Deir Ezzor have low numbers of civilians, but Isis supplies were given plenty of time to move to forward locations. Nukes first, then the robots.
I am wondering whether this is due to massive Saudi support from the south. The fresh troops of ISIS that enabled it to capture Palmyra came from south of Bukamal – and not from the direction of Mosul. As there are no important cities there that would justify holding large numbers of troops and as from Bukamal it is only a short distance to Saudi Arabia this might well be the real source.
Also, the rebels that reportedly were moved to Yemen might in fact have ended up here.
@DeirEzzor24 tweet says
Special source to #D24: Fighting groups of #Daesh are elite groups from #Iraq specifically from (Jazira & Ninawa).
They also claim it was planned by ISIS leadership (CIA) and local ISIS in Deir EzZor knew nothing about it. It kind of makes sense, but the whole op smells of U.S./GCC scheming: Take out SAA in the Thurda mountains last month, truck ISIS (or U.S./GCC mercs) from al Bukamal, organize attack from Thurda mountains. This is an additional ISIS force of thousands with plenty of ATGMs the local head-choppers never had. Chinese HJ-8s and Faggots. This is bad news for SAA. They were capable of holding their own against local DZ ISIS, but this is obviously a western-planned and backed attack with new head-choppers. The U.S. feeds satellite imagery and intellegence to ISIS all the time to ‘help’ them against government troops.
The new head-choppers/ATGMs will be fatal for SAA. Air Support will slow the fall of Deir EzZor, but not stop it. Looks like they need to get this done before Trump’s inauguration this weekend. The U.S. needs ISIS to control everything from al Bukamal to ar Raqqa.
https://twitter.com/DeirEzzor24/status/821013867979505666
Damn I hate sounding like some punk troll, but nukes goddammit. It won’t kill the majority at the front line near civies but it would put a lump back in Obama’s throat where it belongs.
You have no idea – enemy is not sitting out in the open countryside waiting to be hit. Nukes?, yeah just the excuse NATO need to bomb Damascus ! In any case modern “conventional ” munitions (Fuel-Air-Explosive) etc.. have equal lethal/destructive power of tactical nukes.
nukes halt back nato countries. if rusia were tokld, the russian nukes garantee the syrian territory, nobody would help jihadists.
I kind of agree, wwinsti, but I think you have the target all wrong. If you want to stop ISIS in Deir EzZor, you drop Topol-M’s in the middle of Riyadh, Doha and Abu Dhabi when the Royal f’ks that run those terrorist finance factories are present. Unfortunately that would kill innocent civilians, and then we would be no different than the head-choppers and their Royal paymasters. Fortunately, the citizens (and working slaves) of those countries are on the verge of revolt. I can only hope we see Saudi royals hanging from lamp posts in Riyadh this spring – and it should have come much sooner than this.
The GCC Arabs are actually small players in this saga that take their orders from Washington, Tel Aviv, London and Paris. If you want to use Topol – M’s, look no further. In fact, forget the Topol-M. Use the heavy ICBM Sarmat(Satan 2)
Agree on balance, this looks like a well planned, organized US/Saudi supported operation, feeding in forces and equipment for weeks from across Iraq and Saudi to staging/assembly areas out from the perimeter defences. Seems Dai ‘sh are receiving real-time tac intel enabling them to concentrate local attacks on SAA weak points. Looking grim absent immediate CAS from SyAF/RuAF before Dai ‘sh go firm inside city
The Saudi and Iraqi border has been essentially sealed by the Iraqis, who are no great friends of the notorious House of Saud. I don’t imagine too much coming across that border in terms of heavy armaments.
How about thru Jordan, where is the Saudi “Islamic Army ” based, or is it a “virtual army ” ? hehe
PaveWaylV ; so Sunnistan ; Raqqa south to Deir Azzor , the US is still pushing their split Syria plan . Will Putin buy this ? Those oil fields are major producers .
It doesn’t have to be anything as formal as a partition/governance. OIR all along has had the job of herding ISIS to certain places to steal Syrian resources or at least deny them from the Syrian government (to weaken Syria, of course).
If OIR herds 25K head-choppers to the Euphrates from al Bukamal to Raqqa, then they 1) cut the Shia crescent and weaken whatever support they get from or provide to Iran, and 2) deny the Syrian government and people most of Syria’s oil and gas resources. Since the Syrian economy has been destroyed, they can hardly afford to import enough gas and oil to keep the country going.
The U.S./GCC/Israel don’t need to destroy Syria and they don’t even need Assad gone (although they would like that). What they want is a war with Iran. Syria and Iraq needed to be neutralized or destroyed first. Both are – they will be in a perpetual state of instability and eternally fighting the U.S.-created head-choppers in one form or another. When the war with Iran starts, neither Syria nor Iraq will be able to help them against the U.S./GCC/Israeli forces.
Trump’s presidency is meaningless in all this. While he may not want to stay engaged in Syria, he doesn’t have to. The country has been destroyed and it’s military gutted. Trump does want to start a war with Iran and will – look at his cabinet. Syria is yesterday’s news to him. He could care less whether it’s partitioned or whole, as long as it’s weak and powerless to oppose his war in Iran.
” I see red smoke, over ” Drugs or not, zips in the wire, please don’t adjust fire onto your position as this expresses best the actual long term imperatives which have determined, year after year, this war on Syria. The sad, brutal reality is that so long as the NATO/GCC/TU warmongers can prosecute this war without actually confronting a real existential attack on their home countries ( and I don’t mean the fake war on terror with less than 1% killed than by domestic homicides or traffic accidents) but an actual force-on-force war on their territory, then they will happily continue with impunity – it’s just a blood sport ,playing at games of war while your own forces, families are safely at home, removed from the ongoing slaughter .
Was thinking about the last sentence you wrote concerning Iran. It occurred to me that the NATO/GCC/Israeli axis may not get to go after Iran after in near future after all. Their logical strategy is continue stoking sectarian tensions, and Kurdish nationalism at edges of Iranian Republic. But China is pumping some trillion dollars into its New Silk Road – Economic Belt project – and at the very centre of transit line is Tehran. China is not going to allow a project of this scale and spending to be disrupted by GCC Sunni-rent-a-mercenaries and US/Israeli backed Kurdish separatism in Iran. The Chinese will act to stabilize the route – how they play that out will be wait to see scenario. But they will act, as the whole project is about moving away from US economic sphere, so the Chinese will hardly accept the US/GCC physically threatening their mega project in its Iranian sector.
Makes sense, Bob. But the NATO/Israeli/GCC axis is psychotic about Iran. They always have been. I doubt Sunni mercs wouldn’t be used in their scheme. They’ll either cook up some kind of fake internal Shia rebellion or maybe a false-flag terrorist attack to provoke Iran to attack someone else and then go at them directly. I don’t know – there’s probably a million ways and they have all been plotting the destruction of Iran for a very long time. They would have considered the Chinese and Russian reaction in al this, and I’m sure they’ve figured something out to counter or neutralize that, or maybe they’re just too psycho to care.
I’m not saying they will be successful either starting a war with or in Iran or keeping China or Russia out of it, but they will certainly try. They are bordering on desperation to finally kick this off and the MSM ‘demonization’ has already started. The entire U.S. Congress is already frothing at the mouth for a war with Iran and Trump is surrounded by war-mongers that hate Iran. They will take advantage of the leadership change in Iran happening very soon and do something.
And of course it will be an illegal war and completely unnecessary – Iran is no threat to anybody. One only has to look at the U.S. track record for, oh… the last 45 years or so to realize that ‘no threat to anybody’ logic has little bearing on the U.S. eagerness to start wars.
Agreed, Trump seems to have surrounded himself with rabid anti-Iran figures, which itself can’t end well, as means he is open to united pressure from them and cross platform Neo-Cons in Congress. Guess we better buckle up, it could all get lot worse before it gets any better.
This is coordinated NATO/GCC attempt to get SAA out of Dez Ezzoir province, to push forward with Pentagon’s Plan B partition of Syria. The SAA sitting out there in the desert are right in the way of that plan.
Syria has been destroyed economically. Simply denying Syria it’s own oil and gas from the east will keep the Syrians in poverty and misery for years. They don’t need the partition plan anymore – herding ISIS into the oil/gas fields and a prolonged guerrilla war to keep the infrastructure destroyed accomplishes that. Oh, they will have plenty of conferences and treaties and argue back and forth about partition, but it’s a moot point. The goal was to cripple Syria by denying them their oil and gas. It doesn’t matter if anyone else can claim it or not, as long as Syria can’t get at any of it. ‘Partitioning’ was only one of many possible ways to do that. The U.S./GCC/Israeli psychopaths are flexible – whatever works to keep Syria on it’s knees will suffice. The pinheads in the D.C. think-tanks can argue about what it should all look like someday, but the real powers that be don’t care. They destroyed Syria and can move on to Iran now.
The ‘FSA leadership’ sitting around and lunching in Turkish hotels on the Saudi’s sponsorship coin have been trying to sell off Syrian oil futures to raise cash for themselves. It hasn’t really worked out – who would buy into that investment – but it is very telling about what their priorities are. These US/GCC picked exiles that make up the ‘FSA leadership’ are not about the Syrian state and its future, they are about exploiting the war situation for their own benefit at actual cost to Syrian state and its future.
I disagree. Deir Ezzor will hold. The SAA are well entrenched in defensive positions in Deir Ezzor. In a battle like this, favor goes to the defenders in that they have a 3 to 1 advantage against the attackers. Unless ISIS bulldozes through with armor, an infantry attack will most likely be absorbed and dissipate. Isis will take heavy losses.
This latest situation in Deir Ezzor reminds me of the panic when terrorists launched the much vaunted blitz to break the siege of East Aleppo. They made initial, brief headway at first, but the blitz was absorbed by the defenders who then went on the offensive. I remember all the panic on the blogosphere when the blitz to East Aleppo first started.
Have a little faith. The SAA MoD and Russian MoD have things under control. Palmyra is an anomaly that has no military or strategic value. It will be retaken soon too, as the SAA has moved 10, 000 troops to the vicinity.
In war, there is something called ‘battle pulses’, in that the ISIS push at Deir Ezzor is just that, a pulse. The SAA in Deir Ezzor also have a logistics advantage while ISIS logistics lines are venerable and far stretched.
Deir Ezzor will hold. Even if Russia has to drop paratroopers. Particularly the forces of Chechen President Kadyrov who happen to be in Syria (under the Russian MoD)and are highly elite. There will also be a lot of play over the skies of Deir Ezzor by SU-25’s and SU-34’s.
For what it’s worth, the advantage of defensive positions is more like a factor of 2 than three. The reason they say the attacker needs a 3 to 1 advantage to win is because they need more power than the defence, otherwise there will simply be a stalemate.
For some insane reason (I blame the drugs), I replied to this Inherent Resolve tweet yesterday. Click on it to see my reply. No doubt I made CENTCOM’s kill list by early in the morning. The ‘activity’ thing says 650 people have looked at it so far, so I’m surely a dead man. Goodbye, SF… https://twitter.com/CJTFOIR/status/820619453431955456
They have zips in the wire man. You are good for a while. :)
CENTCOM traitors ARE the zips in the wire. BROKEN ARROW – BROKEN ARROW!
Read you 5 by 5, all air assets are inbound now, mark outer perimeter with red smoke. Air observer is over your position now, over :)
The ones who I disapprove of, the most, are not the theater or area commanders. The ones involved in procurement, future ops planning and of course the R&D crowd. Their actions, more than their intention, have created the betrayal. If things like the Zumwalt don´t raise the odor level in the room, nothing will. Hence, we are at the point where the ability of our potential adversaries has increased until they are seriously challenging us, even man for man.
I like your comment. It definitely gave me a smile. Have a great day Pave.
Agree completely, John. But there are pissed off commanders in CENTCOM that hate the way politics has shaped and neutered their mission, and the grunts that work under them just want to kill head-choppers. They don’t want to be thanked for their service and they don’t want to be valorized if they can’t do their job. They want some civilian idiot like me outside the chain of command mocking their supposed mission to the world so the politicians understand the consequences of making them do dumb-assed things or not do anything at all. I could only have dreamed of the same favor years ago when I was in a command that was made to do stupid-assed things or not do anything at all.
These are all Barksdale B-52s collecting dust at al Udeid Air Base in Qatar. The pilots are drinking beer in the O club watching the situation in Deir EzZor decay and 120,000 civilians slowly starving to death or soon to be beheaded. They want me bitching about that out here because they sure as hell cant. They don’t give a damn about Assad or pipelines – they want to kill head-choppers in Deir EzZor NOW. CENTCOM’s mission needs to be mocked. Any butt-hurt snowflakes inside who take it personal need the stupid beat out of them. Civilians and damn good soldiers are being slaughtered, and CENTCOM is just sitting on it’s ass because that’s what they’ve been ordered to do.
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.137014,51.3135955,1197m/data=!3m1!1e3
Exactly.
The joke for me lately is when Palmyra was overrun and the ´command´came out to say they were not getting involved in anything over there. I think it was the next day or so the´coalition´ did a few strikes and told the world how committed they are to elminating any IS threats. What is going on over in D E now, is as much a bunch of BS as what happened in Palmyra. I am pretty sure, more than one or two need to be removed from command or responsibility because, they are just watching out fo their careers and not the duty the swore to uphold.
There have always been way to many career minded folk in the US military. General Grey, when he became Commandant, went as far to say it was his mission to stomp it out. I am sure he did his best.
I like less and less the ´thank you for your service´stuff, unless the person is sincere or it is a family member or real friend. The guys on the inside can not say anythig. So as you feel, I see it as my duty to call it as I see it, for myself, famiy, friends and those who cannot. Fair thee well today Pave. :)
Assad needs to use chemicals on the ISIS unlawful combatants. the world will look the other way.
assad can not. but russians could.
Who’s fault is this, definitely of Syrian intelligence. In previous post I mentioned after Aleppo SAA and its allies should quickly move to Palmyra and join Deir Ez Zor pocket. SAA waisted lots of time to enjoy Aleppo city cilibration. Aleppo is just one city but there are six other cities in Syria which are in danger.
In Aleppo 25,000 plus Army troops used. Now where have gone surplus 5000 army of Aleppo city? This is not the time of rest. Quick manuribility of SAA would needed to successed. Now about 5000 army youngs will be tortured and massacred in Deir Ez Zor by Israeli Jews. For God sack Syrian government and generals should wakeup. Army soldiers are human beings. They have their own children and families.
ISIS, FSA, NSA and other all terrorists groups fight for the agenda of Israeli terrorist state.
you about summed it up Rob. As this one great philosopher said ‘ It starts with the Jews, and ends with the Jews’. Look no further than them.
They needed those troops for Aleppo. Compare this to the balance of forces at Mosul where you have 80,000 against about 5,000 ISIS fighters who have no chance of reinforcements and they are stuck in a quagmire.
At Aleppo you had about 7,000 fighters in Aleppo and at least 10,000 outside of Aleppo trying to raise the siege against those 25,000 SAA + allies. They got the job done very efficiently without getting bogged down.
The SAA just transferred 10,000 soldiers to the Palmyra vicinity. Relax, things take a bit of time. its called ‘battle pulses’, One has to be calculating, deliberate and patient. The Russian Mod and Syrian Mod along with Hezbollah and Iranian Advisors know what they are doing. We don’t know what they are up to however.
Okay, let me just say this though I may be wrong.
Who stacks up as a harder hitting outfit, NVA or IS? Exactly. In a thousand years, IS would never be in their league. I would like to see IS survive round the clock saturation bombing, airstrikes and artillary for months, sustain the incredible casualties the NVA divisions did as at Khe Sanh ( and that was only one of the battles in the area at that time ) and still continue to fight. I would like to see what would happen if IS had 25,000 of their fighters killed in about 5 months in just one operation. IS is nasty and capable but, they are not the real thing. They only come at a time when the weak abound.
So what is my point? IS is the one who needs to be careful or this will become their meat grinder. I can’t fathom and don’t hold that no one saw this coming on the SAA side. It all came into view when they attacked Palmyra. The surprise was over when they did that. A little maneuvering here and there will not make your day. So sleep tight IS, it’s good to see you come out of the closet in full view. You are going to luv what comes next. ;)
A good day to all.
ISIS needs to be given credit for building a self sustaining military force, so in some ways that are like the NVA. They have preserved a core of experienced fighters which they conserve long enough to consistently train new elite fighters. They then use foreign, inexperienced recruits and very unfortunate local conscripts as canon fodder for their SVBIEDs.
They have also preserved some fighting best practices that they have been able to pass on to future fighters, like how to effectively crew their SVBIEDs. They’ve learned not to just have one driver but to have one driver and two crew members to ensure detonation just in case the driver becomes incapacitated, and how to cheaply armor the vehicles, etc.
Man for man, ISIS is formidable. The fact that the U.S and others believed that they could use them to take out Assad and deal with them later was both evil and moronic. Thank God, Putin (and the Iranians) understood the danger.
Hello chris. Your point is a good one. Thank you.
ISIS want to die, SAA and allies want to live and go back to their families and jobs. ISIS are fanatical, SAA are pragmatic and patient, calculating.
NVA were millions strong, fanatical and didn’t care about life. They were heavily supported by China.
ISIS is relatively smaller in number, heavily supported by Washington, Tel Aviv, Paris London and GCC Countries.
SAA are heavily supported by Russia, Iran, Iraq and China(logistically, not militarily).
The SAA have the support of the Syrian people, ISIS does not ( at least not willingly)
Therein lies the crux, medium to long term, ISIS will lose badly as they have mistakenly made enemies out of the Syrian and Iraqi people, which was/is a crucial mistake.
The NVA had the support of the populace too.
Game, set, match….in favor of SAA and allies.
The Vietnamese are warriors of honor , ISIS , pretend to be “holy” , but are just mercenary dogs .
Never underestimate your enemy – ISIS have developed into a well organized, equipped fighting force with high morale. Yes plenty of mercenary dogs of war in their ranks but more will fight to the finish for their “cause “
The sad irony of this, John, is that some of the exact same B-52s that participated in Operation Niagara II at Khe Sahn are – right now – sitting on the tarmac at Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar as part of CENTCOM’s assets. Not only are they unlikely to be used to carpet-bomb Qatari-funded ISIS, but they are more likely to be used in future cowardly, accidental sneak-attacks on the SAA in order to help ISIS.
Since reports retailed in US media (WSJ,WAPO) confirmed by Pentagon/OIR-CJTF of US SOF (Delta or so-called Expedition Target Force wtf !) “raid” on 08 JAN in JAZRA area (misleading called “western Deir ez-Zour”) I have determined the target location as Lat : 35 42 28 N, Long : 39 50 25 E. On GoogleEarth in degrees decimal this is 35.71 N, 39.84 E. This is none other than the purported nuclear reactor (Kibaar facility re-named “at Deir ez-Zour” by media and later IAEA reports to obscure actual location !) bombed in SEP 2007 by the IAF OPERATION ORCHARD. In 2013 seized by Dai ‘sh and held. Details of this US incursion and the initial tweets from DeirZour24 are now deleted and US have clammed up re mission purpose/objective/results, other than reporting no friendly casualties, engagements or prisoners. Very suspicious. Was this a pick-up, plant, salting of WMD (NBC) materiel ?? Is this to be “discovered” as Assads hidden chem wpns stockpile to justify insertion of US airborne units ? Or will US claim find of long-lost Iraqs WMD ? Why mount a large heliborne (don’t know if CH47 or MH53 used ?? op in Indian territory, 90 mins on ground then extract for no apparent reason ? Thoughts ?
Isis had that blown-up building (the new one) for three years. If they were looking for anything, then it was to see what the head-choppers were up to. I suppose they may have thought it was a Syrian chem weapon lab.and got worried if they saw recent head-chopper activity there. It sticks out like a sore thumb so I can’t believe the head-choppers would actually use it for something like an IED or chem weapons lab, but who knows?
As far as salting the site – again – I wouldn’t put it past the U.S. – psychopaths stick with what works. If Trump wants the U.S. out of Syria, then they’ll need something to wave around at a press conference (a al Powell/yellow cake) to convince the sheeple of the imminent threat to the world.
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you’re absolutely right John. it’s safe to say that both Assad and Putin are getting nervous (read: serious) about Deir Ezzor now, because the last thing they now need is the second Al-Kindi. And this means that the airstrikes are probably hitting as I am writing this. Or they will be, soon. and thorough. That being said, IS is on open f….n terrain, without tunnels. OOOPS. there’s gonna be a lot of spiteful monkey yelling, just hope they upload it before it fries them. I’m only worried that that scum of the earth Al-Baghdadi has ordered all the foreigners to either return or commit suicide bombings. we could see an unprecedented number of VBIEDs. seems like ISIS is going for broke.
pretty sure isis had 25k killed in 5 months
Hello mark. ISIS has killed 25k of whom in 5 months? I did not exactly understand what you said.
Hi john, ISIS have huge numbers of soldiers. I am sure they suffered 25k dead in 5 months, of their own. In either iraq or syria alone.
Thank you for clarifying that with me mark. I understand your point now. I wish a good day for you.
Yes sure no problem, same to you sir
I was enlisted, I worked for a living. :P
And now, it´s just John. Have a great day man. :)
The Russian MoD just the other day stated that to their calculations, ISIS have lost 35,000 since Sep.2015. And don’t forget infighting and defections. Also those that layed down their arms and surrendered.
Well, you are confusing ISIS here with Syrian national FSA/non-Nusra mild islamists that are given amnesty in some areas in homs and damascus. No way Bashar gives amnesty to ISIS who have a lot of non-Syrians among them. And i think that 35k lost is specifically dead, injuries are not ‘losses’.
I seen the number somewhere, it was more than 35k I believe, the total number of jihadists killed since oct 15 when RUAF joined … in syria alone …. was no way just 35k. It was much higher. But that’s what russia counted …. there is also other combat theaters in syria and there is also ISIS in iraq. WHen they can spare 200+dead in a day on just one frontline, you know ISIS have a big army and consequently big losses.
This makes total sense now, the Palmyra attack was only to make sure that SAA was far away to be able to help. DAESH have given up on Iraq and need a buffer zone in Syria. SDF needs to help in this matter, like ASSAD helped them in AFRIN (even though two different groups of SDF). They should relaunch the HASAKAH front, get to Deir er Zour, while SAA is moving along the Palmyra highway, with a tick line, clear the hills and ranges, get there cautiously. The only thing ASSAD has to give the Kurds, is Al-Bab. Al-Bab for Deir er Zour, sounds like a fair deal.
This makes total sense now, the Palmyra attack was only … this was clear already befor palmyra attck. the syrian army is shit! the only way is shoot soldiers who retreat.
otherways, i wrote several times, not aleppo city is the most important sthihg, but the line damascus-deir ez zor ant all south of this line. after almost 1 and half year the saa has nothing in hands. of loose deir ez zor, this will demoralize everyywhere the people. from aleppo they can not move, becous in the neighborhood there are turks, isis, al nusra in idlib, unpredictable kurds. zhe whole saa is sitting in aleppo and loose the whole country.
Sitting behind your computer in comfort and you call the heroic SAA shit? Palmyra was a tactical withdraw that has in effect tied down 4000-5000 ISIS members in the desert, among destroyed ancient ruins. So what. Their time will come, no rush.
palmyra was no tactical withraw. this was a big collaps of SAA. i was officer, eximened from tatctics and strategy. you are a dreamer behund PC.
If it was a ‘collapse’, why did the SAA have time to evacuate 12,000 civilians from Palmyra? Look, your the dreamer, and you were no officer. Maybe the boy scouts.
Remember the scene from ‘Braveheart’, where the Kings son’s friend told the King ‘I am experienced in war and military tactics’…then the King grabs this guy and throws him from the tower to his death.? lol
i am no dreamer, thou live in si-fi.
this is not movie, here really die people.
you are only a stupid moron. 12 0000 people to evacuate is not a big heroism. all soldiers who retreated should be shot. with families.
and you dont think, that other people are so stupid like you, that believe that loosing of hard conquerd palmyra was a tactical witdraw. aha,. such stupid sentences were present in nazi propadanda from 1943.
i wish you, die witz your familiy as a consequence of such wise military decisions :))))
Go to the back of your moms house a dig a 6×6 meter hole, then jump in. Little boy.
moron, i printsceened and saved your theory. i will show you several months later. :P
There’s no way any help can arrive in time. What they should’ve done is put the civilians to work building a tunnel to government territory in Hasakah less than 200km northeast. You’ve got tens of thousands of people trapped, they can’t work, most aren’t engaged in combat, the city has been besieged for years, they’ve had plenty of time. Would’ve been an amazing feat of engineering.
paratroopers.
and russian antonovs can drop tanks, artillery, other heavy equipment.
Then you’ve got hundreds more trapped, what’s gained from it?
if there is enough soldiers, deir ez zor will not fall. need to transpoert 2-3 thousands of them.
i would suggest to transport 5-8 thousand and take west bank of eufrates. of course only in nearby of the city.
Too late. Looks good on paper, but where are the forces ? Kurds are stretched thin trying to “control ” or “hold “territory as it is, big effort to advance SW of their limit of advance along Latitude 35 N. Plus you can be sure that Dai ‘sh , supported by Saudi and US will safeguard their rear approaches along left bank, including the bridges.
I doubt Russia is willing to risk their own. For now resupply can be air droped in western area. Number 1 is to re establish link with airfield. Some hellos can bring in some troops if there is refuel on the ground. Airfield may be shut down even for night ops.
This ISUS attack looks well planned. It started with coalition airstrikes a while back against SAA. Allowing Daesh to take heights overlooking Deir Ezzor area. Is this a CENTCOM operation? Shamefull…!!!!!!!
i mean russia has transport capacities. they have the biggest planes of the world. you can droba heavy equipment easily.
and you can write 1000x how is planned this attack. simply the saa did not prepare itself…
SAA held a good position on heights before coalition/ISUS attack. They also lost much heavy equipment which is hard to replace. I guess they will have to make up the difference with more dead and wounded.
That is pure comedy! You think air can circulate in a tunnel of many kilometers?
You also think ISIS would not have found out about it (they have informers, drones, take prisoners etc) and then thrown chemicals in there to make it useless?
They wouldn’t even be able to dig a 5km tunnel before it was detected, please tell me it was a joke :D
Sure, why not. As long as one end is open and flooding the tunnel with the stuff.
Drones wouldn’t help underground. Dig it deep enough and there’s no way it would be discovered; ISIS don’t have top of the line detection equipment, so far as I know! Keep the team regulated, it could work. Surely there’s some within government held territory that aren’t informers!
Ridiculous !
I wonder. A quarter to seven? Is that your bed time?
neither Palmyra or Deir ez-ur were a big danger for daesh, as the SAA occupied this places long time and didn’t seized isis from their ressources, I think it’s simple, they do it because they received long iraqi reinforcements and this two cities improve their comunications on multiple fronts
Assad doesn’t have Al Bab, how can he give it to them?
Also, if the forces in Deir Ezzor can’t hold for a couple of months, then no operation can help them. I already think it’s way too late. I said it a week ago actually when I saw an upsated map and the SAA were hanging on from a thread.
Touch and go, esp. as SAA never managed to interdict enemy supply routes over the bridges
I’m sure the Kurds in the east and Assad south of Al-Bab can take it easier than Turkey (who can’t fly there anymore).
It is not a race anymore. The Turks will not let the kurds come closer to Al Bab.
Silly question….Why not drop thousands of men and some equipment in Kurd held areas? The distance between Ruwayshad and Deir Ezzor is probably about 30-40 km maybe less, but the kurds are not applying any pressure on that front so ISIS can concentrate on Deir Ezzor with no distractions.
zhis was a million dollar question
Should have airlanded re-inforcements and set-up proper Tacair (JTAC) system warplanes from T4 airbase Once again underestimated enemy capabilies , external support, and mis-read intent.
Neither T4 or Deir Ezzor airbase can operate well with front line to close (no buffer zone against enemy fire). Some reinforcements did arrive at airfield (Iraqi hezbola and others). The Syrian priority was to take E. Aleppo. I think Deir Ezzor will hold with good air support.
Yes I meant 2-3 weeks ago when airlanded re-supply was actually happening, now is too late. T4 airbase is operating in local support of SAA and both RuAf and SyAF have flown attack sorties on Dai ‘sh static positions (dumps, fixed artillery/rocket) with some success
‘Father of Coffee’ , maybe you should have some faith and relax a bit on the SAA and allies. The Russians wrote the book on warfare, and the Syrians are ready, and have been for 6 years now to do the job. However, in a pragmatic, calculating and patient manner. History doesnt favor the rash, reactionary.
Inshallah
You would think, but the Kurds are useless opportunists. That’s their Achilles heel. They cant be trusted. And they are Zionist boot-lickers.
OK the water supply to Damascus is good again , now do not let Deir Azzor fall , get those helicopters, and jets , going !
It will take days (weeks?) to restore the water to Damascus. Al Nusra blew the water tunnels in the springs – there may be extensive repairs required just to get the water flowing to Damascus again.
And ISIS (under U.S. orders) cut the electricity to the al Khafsah water intake pumps and purification plant at Lake Assad on Saturday, meaning Aleppo has no water from their main source (again).
SAA major offensive needs to jump off now, been assembling task force for weeks around Kuweis AB , Axis N4 highway eastwards to objectives Deir Hafer, JIRAH AB, right bank Lake Assad, north to Khafsah water plants/pumps. I forecast this op weeks back, more in hope than reality so far.
SAA may be waiting for FSA and ISUS to weaken each other at Al Bab. This may take a while!? Good to keep ISUS forces pinned down.
Better to cut off enemy in Al-Bab area by advancing on Deir Hafer now then thru to Lake Assad – need to take JIRAH AB and re-start main water supply from Khafsa facilities
You may be right, AMN reports of SAA taking 2 villages in Kuweis area today. This may be a good time to launch, with ISUS preoccupied in other ares. They also report of “nonstop” bombing of ISUS around Deir Ezzor. Perhaps Russian backfires are in action. Though in the past they usually dropped dumb bombs. Let’s hope Russia is using some of their more advanced munitions. I know their fighter bombers have them. Some fuel air explosives might work well in open terrain. They should clobber Daesh on the heights!
Spot on, my sentiments exactly
Stupid fanatics. Why would you take out the water supply and just increase the Syrian peoples hatred for you? This is the primary, if not sole reason ISIS and co. will lose, and badly; they have alienated and angered the Syrian populace which will not, and has not, bode well for them.
Mao or was it Ho Chi Min who said ‘ The populace is the sea in which the revolutionary fighter swims’? Even though ISIS are hardly revolutionary fighters per se, but you catch my drift.
At least there is an opportunity for the Syrian & Russian air forces to slaughter ISIS in the target rich environment.
May be too little, too late. When you hold your enemy by the belt buckle close air support in urban terrain is ineffective
When enemy infantry attack well defended, entrenched positions; the result for the attacker is usually a blood bath. ISIS attack now in Deir Ezzor will be absorbed and result in massive casualties for ISIS. Just like when they tried to break the encirclement of East Aleppo. Unless ISIS is coming in a division strong and heavily armored, it folly. Believe it.
I think that now that the situation is desperate, the bigger part of the enclave is useless, because it doesn’t have access to the airport. airport is the lifeline. secondly, one has to move FAST before the scum gets time to dig in. so, first immediate air campaign needs to start. secondly, withdraw troops from Tal Baruq and the gas field (blow it up), and withdraw from 137th base and army storage base (blow it up too) to defendable neighborhoods. use the concentrated troops to reconnect the two enclaves. do this after the areal bombing or make a strategic withdrawal during ISIS attack. if you have tunnels, mine them and remotely detonate. land can be won back, but now the priority is keeping everyone together around the airport. Ofcourse it is important to have a good sized buffer zone against car bombs, but what’s more important is having everyone in one enclave where they can be supplied. Also, ask for reinforcements. and fly away anyone who can’t fight, they are just a logistical burden.
SAA know how to fight a war, problem is lack of resources/manpower/weaponery when defending across many separate fronts. Easy to give tactical advice but this is not a computer wargame or Call of Duty. Things are different on the ground, especially when defending over 200 000 civilians from slaughter.
N U T S = there is no surrender here. The western area is used for Russian cargo planes air dropping tons of supplies to Deir Ezzor This area is now the lifeline. Route to airfield will soon be retaken. Godspeed SAA
Anbar is coming to Syria, these fine brave Soldiers of God are not mercinary being paid by a Saudi swine, al-Saud clan supports Zawahiri not Baghdadi, they did until IS went off-script and began chopped off the wrong heads, true SDF is ushering them away from Raqqah with payments, but IS know SDF is a pushover better to use their support to define reality like I said Anbar is coming to Syria, last I heard Allah is not pleased with Russia and Haftar making whoopee on the high seas.
I don’t know what you have been smoking Mr. Loder, but I do know its potent. Leave Allah out of this, and anyways; what does Allah(Arabic for God, btw, even Christian Arabs call God Allah, fyi) Russia meeting with Libya’s Gen. Hafter in the Mediterranean have anything to do with any of this.
The simple fact is, Libya realized it cant count on Washington and Brussels for help, so naturally they are looking to Russia now, being that Russia is an honest broker.
I don’t smoke and I’m an Australian Pensioner so that means I get access to Legal aid, my bitch had it when she had me committed, so I can get it and hand it out to you, if your not careful about what you say. Now the situation in Libya is a peaceful one Haftar is the beginning of war that will never end because all I feel is only Allah ; God is all that is left Obama took the rest. Russians don’t understand Geopolitical duplicity, they will be shafted by Trump and his masquerade to be different than Hillary, oppose GNA and the Son of Santa will grow up to be a truck driver.
Please take your medications Rodney, I believe your government supplies them free to those in need
You don’t pay taxes in Australia that much is obvious, when I saw the cost of anti-psychotic drugs I nearly died of a schizophrenia, since that dire somersault with death, I realised that I really was unstoppable which means everybody else is, seriously don’t fool with my Salafist Brothers lessen you want to be the direct cause of death and misery.
It got you my friend. I have family in Libya, as I am an American-Libyan dual citizen. The situation in Libya is catastrophic indeed. I have no one to blame but NATO. Mr. Haftar is a CIA asset, but he is kind of Libyas only hope to bring the situation there stabilized. Hafter and his people in the LNA realize they cannot count on support from the west, hence where him and Russian officials meeting recently aboard a Russian warship at Tobruk. The GNA and Libya Dawn militias are just messing things up. I hope the best.
I do agree with you that Trump and the U.S. establishment are trying to play a ‘shell-game’ on Putin and his administration. Its all a ‘horse and pony show’. But I do believe the Russians are too clever for these shenanigans.
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GNA is inclusive of all Tribes even to a certain extent Gadaffi’s old allies, some will swing and go with Hafter if he can pull it off, which is not possible, it worked for Gadaffi because the British believed the Russian Fleet off the Libyan coast were backing him up, which they knew nothing about, the old days are gone probably would have ended with Gadaffi even if he lived to be 100. Russians are too clever, no not even funny, even Putin will fall for the cobweb support offered. Bottom line is Allah caused the SU to fall because Christianity let Him down. Libya Dawn and IS will come to know Allah’s real intention have faith in what we are, all that die and suffer for Allah are richly rewarded.
Don’t know that Hafter Dignity Operation is the right force to back – after all he was traitor to Libya and is directly supported by Qataris (remember how they joined in the NATO war on Libya ? ) and French SF spotters on the ground calling in airstrikes.
The important thing now is not to let the airfield fall. They need to re-open the supply route asap. .The Russians need to get some Spetsnaz and FACs on the ground to coordinate massive retaliatory bombardments with cruise missiles and long range aircraft. The size of the Russian air arm in Syria is too small. Somebody knew this and advised Daesh on multi front offensives to stretch the tactical air cover. They should start using napalm and fuel air explosives to fry the Daesh in the desert. Drop a mix of CS gas , napalm and FAE’s , let’s see how they like roasting and suffocating slowly instead of their preferred method of quick suicide via VBIED’s.
Strange that the YT page of CJTF OIR deleted all airstrike videos in the past year and a half. Bet they’re gonna say its Russian hackers LOL.
Anyways, I am praying for the heroes of the SAA in these dark times. Airstrikes help, but what people don’t get is (a) they aren’t miracle makers and (b) you can’t shake ISIS diehards’ morale and determination through airstrikes. They seen them many times before, and in their captagon driven rag heads, 72 virgins and paradise >>>>> JDAMs.
Airstrikes simply kill more terrorists than you would with just bullets, shells and rockets. So instead of killing 100 you kill 200-300 …. but if they came with a 10,000+ force, what good is that if you can’t push back their main assault?
If only zahreddine can counter attack and keep these barbarians at bay enough for the SAA to push from kuweires through the deir hafer and maskanah plains, and then while SDF is occupied in tabqa and raqqa, move south through kawm / taybah to take sukhnah and arak, while the other SAA garrison is pushing east from jazal / shaer / palmyra direction, they both link up and move to DEZ, and if the timing is perfect the PMU from iraq can push west to meet them at DEZ city as well, either from annah / qaim / albukamal or from crossing through west nineveh, rabiah / sinjar / shamal / qahtaniyah / baaj area way west from tal afar …. will that end up in DEZ countryside or hasakah??
There is the dessert there ,Russia stop to be pathetic and use tactic nukes to vanish the terrorists,Now is the opportunity when the USA change regime.
The Palmyra region is dense with oil and gas fields. Use a nuke there and guess what happens, you will have fires that wont go out for decades. Relax, battles, these things take time. Things are moving along fine, trust it.
Yes, don’t like keyboard warriors demanding destruction of SYRIAN countryside
Obamas final act as commander in chief on his war on syria: coordinate and manage the isis capture of deir Ezzor.
A few days ago the US spec ops abducted ISIS leaders in the region of deir Ezzor. Only two things could happen, 1) it was a prelude to a kurdish assault from the north or 2) it was to replace isis commanders with a mole who can be trusted with new gear and military advisors to attack deir Ezzor.
1 never happened.
Certainly 2 or recon for insertion of US troops on the Euphrates , See my earlier post