New Leader For Libya

Because 50 yrs ago they were the heros that sold out to the ziopigs

Come on man …you don’t believe that! If that was the reason then you should hate Saudi Arabia , Kuwait,Qatar ,UAE and Jordan as well. All are collaborators since then as well and before.

Thanks for your answer however.

You hit the nail on the head…Arab régimes are garbage for the most part. Jordan has always played the middle but leaning towards US. It’s how it survives…the rest ate corrupt and worthless. 70 yrs and nothing.

Arafat collaborated as well. A fact. At one point or another they all do.

She was a dumb cow that Condoleezza . Utter stupidity as I don’t think it was malice. Nevertheless ,she was and is dangerous , just as a rabid dog .

Unfortunately true. I always knew Libyans hated aegyptians so that is a problem and if smart , Turkey will work on it. As for Tunisia , it is filled with Moslem Brotherhood pigdogs. Sooner that place is nuked, the better.

it must be repaired mister cromwell

Which is why only a Ghaddaffi could rule it ,just like an Saddam Hussein in Iraq. In any case they were not pigdog -ugly Islamists wanting to take us back to the Middle Ages.

It is sad re Haftar but noone loves a loser. He should have won Tripoli . I don’t know what happened there. So unfortunately he has to go ; for the Russians ,French etc to have a “clean slate”. Who know what secret talks have been had with the US to have Haftar removed. In any case the us will have fooled Russia and France…again. obviously stupid Russia and France are trying to appear unbiased and pro democracy for the un .

Funny ,how the whole world doesn’t care if dictator sarragh or Erdogan takes over all of Libya but the whole universe including Russia and France cry about dictatorships of little old Haftar even keeps his part of Libya. If the in and America hates Di tatorships theycango unseat the House of Saud and Erogan first?

The only reason to remove Haftar is if he is no good at winning battles. I suspect he is fine but Russia is to blame for not arming or advising him properly ‘- probably as a favor to Erdo. So now Russia is just embarrassed of their failure to Hafter -having lost almost all gain-so want to get rid of him.

No one hates you more than those that have wronged you and they know that.

Turkey had acquired three oil wells in Libya since 2005. ..So the invasion of Libya is not just about NATO….We are talking about something much bigger.

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Correct, it was all about energy and many interested parties and I initially wrote. The Americunts are now history and the new powers are securing OIL, ENERGY, WATER & FOOD security. I don’t like the British arseholes much, but like their SAS motto WHO DARES WINS and that is exactly what the Turks are doing. The stupid moronic Arabs buy millions of modern weapons and the dumb fuckers can’t fight for shit. On paper Egypt on home ground should have wiped out the Turks by now, but Sisi is a coward and the Egyptian military is even worse as I had predicted based on its pathetic history. Any military that kills its own people, will always lose.

” Correct, it was all about energy and many interested parties and I initially wrote.” That’s right … and NATO is the “tool” for all this. Those who created NATO created it to protect their own interests … and not the interests of the states.

That is why Putin needs to get his head out of his arse and see the whole picture. Russia and China need to start building a stronger counter to NATO, which in reality is quite fragmented and weak.

I’ll tell you something, my friend … all the great leaders of the planet controlled by a center of power. For example, Alexander the Great.. Alexander the Great began with another priesthood … and in the process with another priesthood he ended up! The murders of Parmenion, Filotas, Kleitos, Nikomachos, etc. it wasn’t something that happened …The glass was probably overflowing and very serious decisions were made when Alexander made the final decision to campaign with 1,000,000 million men, initially to the western Mediterranean, Southern Europe and North Africa. (what is happening today). He essentially wanted to continue under the Greek hegemony, the plan of Darius and Xerxes. This was unacceptable to some. Death from Hepheastion’s poisoning was the precursor to Alexander’s death. Putin must be careful.

You are pretty smart guy and have good historical perspective.

HE WHOLE PASSION, ALL THE VICTORIES OF THE GREEKS …. I carry within me 40,000 years of Greek history. I am a warrior my friend.

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Don’t forget this picture too. Always remember it.

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Do not forget…the Massacre of the Turkish Paratroopers on the Kotza Kaya hill… When our Paratroopers wrote History! In the photo, Greek cruisers of the 31st Squadron with Turkish boot…The Battle of Kotza Kaya is taught at the Israeli Military School as one of the best operations in the world !!!

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Greeks are not known to be good fighters. Turks on contrary are well known in the world for their fighting skills throughout the history. That’s why Turks always beat the Greeks. Remember 1922 Dumlupinar, 1924 Symrna, 1974 Cyprus. The event above you mention was probably a massacre the Greek did commit on civilian Turkish villagers (which there were many). There is no account on this Battle of Kota Kaya anywhere on the internet. So I assume it must be most likely be a made up propaganda story in order to give some kind of high moral to defeated Greeks. 1974 Cyprus victory was a great success for Turkey and a major defeat for Greece. So much so that the Junta regime was toppled in Greece. Greeks will carry this shame forever in their history very much like the Dumlupinar Turkish independence war in 1922, which led to annihilation of the Greek army of nearly 200 thousand soldiers in Asia Minor. All Greek Generals were executed when they returned to Greece following the prisoner exchange for treason and cowardice. That shows the degree of Greek humiliation. If there is a war today between Turkey and Greece, I guarantee you that the Greek army won’t stand a chance. Turkey is a military might, experienced and well equipped with indigenous military equipment. Greece most probably will lose all the 12 islands in the Aegean sea, the entire Cyprus and Crete and also some parts of Greece proper like Thracia including Thessaloniki. Don’t take Turkish military lightly. This time the west won’t come to your help.

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Turkish flag representing the moon and the star reflecting on blood shed by Turkish warriors throughout the history on battle fields.

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” Greeks are not known to be good fighters”

Go downstairs to the port to see if the boats are moving. When the Greeks created the Armed Phalanx which was a war tactic…the Turks in the Mongolian steppe ate grass. When the Greeks fought victoriously in Salamis, Marathon, Thermal Gates, etc….the Turks were dressed in animal skins…That it has to do with war, and the art of war has been discovered by the Greeks….The greatest warriors of all time on the planet were / are Greeks. Achilles … Leonidas … Themistocles … Hercules Alexander the Great, etc. Do you hear laughter? It is the universe that laughs with you, with what you write.

Those is mythology, meaning unreal fairy tale. Almost none happened in reality. Like dragons, twin headed giants, flying elephants etc. You Greeks are to much inflated in your head by those bullshit mythology. First of all, you are not even ancient Greeks. Look at your face on the mirror. Do you look like an ancient Greek statue? Most likely you look like middle-eastern or like a gypsy, with dark complexion and curly hair. This is because there is no ancient Greek DNA in you. You are a mixture of north-african, balkan, gypsy, Turkic race. Turks dominated you 500 years. Ottoman harems were full of Greek women. That is why you all are now “Sporus Turcos”.

” Those is mythology, meaning unreal fairy tale. Almost none happened in reality” These are FACTS taught in all military schools around the world…. mythologies and fairy tale are the 70 virgins…you are supposed to meet when you die..Is there anyone to tell us if he saw them ?? If you want, I can send you another 10 to make them 80 virgins.. And if you see them … whistle at me

Fearless Turkish Warriors were the nightmare of the enemy.

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Looking at the pictures … you definitely don’t belong to the white race. You are Mongols

We are Turks. If we are mongols you are too, because your women were in Ottoman harems for 500 years. You don’t agree?

Suleiman and the Ottoman Empire: are gay and pedophiles ruled the Ottoman Empire for centuries,

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Actually Homosexuality was a norm in ancient Greece. If you say you are ancient Greek then you accept to be a gay too? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10a66333b2ffc4d94e826d1893bf217fa5b1571e0f0683aa881aabc96756eb5b.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eff04ce5ea44db4eaf9761e29da56159679d53ee4240a41377286da171a3e2d1.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a18edfeb98aa24b196b291bec4fb291bb44df8d8d64f043cc2065290980567e.jpg

” Turks from the Central Asia settled in Anatolia in the 11th century, through the conquests of the Seljuk Turks”

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” We are Turks”

do you know where the name turk comes from ?? “The Land of Tur”) is a historical region in Central Asia.

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Have you read the book … “The Plague of Asia” is a shocking personal testimony of diplomat George Horton concerns you Turks

” There is no account on this Battle of Kota Kaya anywhere on the internet”

You fool both yourself and others if you don’t know about the battle of hill Kotza Kaya, above the village of Agyrta and south of the castle of Agios Hilarion. You’re an amateur, if you know any old Turkish paratroopers ask him for the night of 20/21 July 1974 where the massacre of the Turkish Paratroopers took place, by the 31st Greek Squadron.

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” 1974 Cyprus victory was a great success for Turkey and a major defeat for Greece”

You could not have invaded Cyprus if the Greek Division had not left of the island. Something that traitorous politicians are responsible for that.If you did not have the support of the British and the Americans, your ass would eat dirt.

This is a cheap excuse. Admit that you have beaten by Turks and had to flee the island. There was no British or US support, on contrary Britain threaten to open up a war against Turkey and the US put sanctions. You listen too much to your own state propaganda. Read real history!.

” Turks on contrary are well known in the world for their fighting skills throughout the history. ” Let’s see what the Allies themselves say about how “good” soldiers you are. In the Korean War….SOURCE :

1)Thomas Nigel/ Abbott Peter/ Mike Chappel, The Korean War 1950-53, Osprey 1986, p. 21

3) Stokesbury James, A short history of the Korean War, 1988, p. 238.

4) Stokesbury James, A short history of the Korean War, 1988, p. 29

We often hear about the Turkish population of 80 million and

Turkey’s powerful armed forces, the second largest in NATO, after the

United States. Sometimes things are quite different from what they

seem to be. Especially in the case of the Turkish Army, one can easily

say that the created impression is totally false. In fact it is a

myth created by the Americans since the Korean War.

Quite often we become observers of reports and comments both in

international bibliography, that present a totally overestimated and

false impression, concerning the Turkish military performance. It is

the outcome of a myth about the “fearsome” and “outstanding” Turkish

Army, which has been skillfully or naively created on purpose, having

as a result to totally alter the truth. It is a case that deliberately

alters the historical past. In fact the truth knocks down the image of

the “brave”, “fearless” and “skillful” Turkish soldier.

The myth’s start about the modern Turkish Armed Forces is

identified during their first engagement with the enemy in the last 60

years. It took place during the Korean War, where it is totally

revealed, that an almost useless military formation, achieved beyond

its own will to create a whole legend about a supposed Turkish “art of

war”.

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Korean war is not a measure. It was not our war and the stupid politicians in the 50s send Turkish troops to Korea. In return US took Turkey into Nato. In those years US was seen as the leader of free world and unfortunately US was seen as the center of the world. Turkey was fooled and paid a huge price. The progress which started after the war of Independence by our great leader Ataturk stopped, even the airplane factories that Ataturk founded were closed under US pressure and US start giving and selling all its crap and outdated 2nd world war arms to Turkey. The army became an American colonial extension in those years. That is why the moral of the army was low in those years and the army started looking like a colonial 3rd world army. It lasted like this until 1974 when Turkey initiated by its own (without US or British) the famous Cyprus “Peace Operation” or Atiila in order to save Turkish Cypriots from the massacres of the Greeks. Turks won a great victory and conquered half of the island. US put sanctions on Turkey. This sanction made the Turks understand that they have to develop their own military industry and become independent from the US. This was one of the reasons that the US staged a military coup d’etat in Turkey in the year 1980. The progress stopped for some years but re-started again in the late 80s. Today Turkey produces tanks, aircrafts, drones, helicopters, missile defense systems, submarines, ships, you name it. Turkish army today procures almost 65 percent of its arms from indigenous defense industries. There is a huge difference in between the Turkish army of the 50s during the Korean war and today. Today world considers Turkish army a major world power. The strength and the ability of Turkish armed forces has been battle proven in Syria, Iraq and Libya. Turkey is a growing regional super power with almost 100 million people. Turkey is determined to protect its maritime borders as well, especially against Greece. The 12 island has been illegally occupied by Greece after the first WW and Greece illegally armed those islands. I assume that in the future Turkey’s map will most probably look like as shown below. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e37061352caf709567b894b43d09239cf15f3fa0417112088895f0e47e7f0c1.gif

THE TURKS IN KOREA

The Turkish Brigade arrived at the port of Pousan on 18 October 1950 and it was officially titled “Turkish Armed Forces Command”. The brigade’s body, consisted of the 241st Infantry Regiment including three Infantry Battalions, one Field Artillery Battalion, a Signals Platoon, a Pioneer Company, a Transportation Company, a Medical Company and an Ordnance Company. There was a total force of 5,455 men. Brigadier General Tahsin Yazici was the Commanding Officer. On 1 September 1951, the Turkish Brigade was replaced for the first time, after a staying period of 10 months in Korea having a new CO Brigadier General Sirri Acar. Replacements took place also on 30 July 1952 and 4 September 1953, while the final departure took place in May 1954. Those replacements concern likely the brigade in its total, since it seems that it was replaced every time by a fresh one, coming from Turkey.

When the Turks arrived at Korea, were poorly equipped, since their equipment was outdated in its total. The soldiers were wearing the British “battle-dress” uniform that was recently adopted by the Turkish Army, heavy military overcoats, British Mk2 helmets and individual leather-made webbing of German origin. Before enter the fighting in November, they just managed to get equipped with modern US arms and standard US M1943 clothing, which was not issued immediately. Gradually, the Turkish clothing and equipment was replaced with US made and especially the brigades that arrived later in Korea were totally issued with US material and arms.

It is astonishing to observe that, the Turkish myth, starts as soon as the Turks arrived in Korea. It is true, that during their arrival they were given a lot of publicity for a number of reasons that have to do mostly with the observer’s psychology and aim. It has to be taken into account, that during that time, Turks were more or less unknown to the American people and even more concerning their fighting skills. The Turkish Army had not fought since 1922, so an average observer, could form an opinion only through a rough review of its history. The fatal influence of the Ottoman Empire history and also from the First World War formed a picture of a “capable” and “brave” army with tough reputation. But this reputation is based mainly on slaughters and genocide’s of civilians or paramilitary formations, for which Turks are notorious to their neighbors. A third party observer who has not made further studies can not have a direct perception and naturally forms a wrong picture. In this way we have the first evidence who led to the creation of the Turkish myth.

James Stokesbury, obviously influenced, describes: “Among the most prominent contributors, the Turks sent a much-respected infantry brigade, whose men were evidently uninterested in higher tactics or sophisticated military skills, but possessed much rugged courage and willingness to endure”.(3) There are also historical reports that generate specific questions concerning their subjective dimension and also the degree of altering and overestimating the meaning of simple everyday ethos or procedures of an army: “Turks were admired a lot for their unlimited toughness and resistance to the Chinese. The only traitor was silently murdered by his compatriots. When one of their men was sick, two of his colleagues were responsible for his survival”.(4)

A more realistic account of the truth, is given by the description of the Turkish image by Clay Blair: “The Turks, commanded by Brigadier General Tahsin Yazici, had arrived in Korea like the Marines, in a blaze of publicity. With their colorful, flowing mustaches, swarthly complexions, and fierce demeanors, they gave war correspondents and others the impression they were very tough soldiers. The reality was that they were ill trained, ill led, and green to combat”.(5)

Mike Michaelis, CO of the US 27th Infantry Regiment who fought in Korea, described in an elegant style the average Turkish soldier that arrived in Korea to fight: “The Turks were commanded by an aged brigadier who had been a division commander at Gallipoli in 1916 fighting the British! He was highly respected, high up in the Turkish military establishment, and took a bust to brigadier to command the brigade. The average Turk soldier in the brigade came from the steppe country of Turkey, near Russia, had probably had only three or four years of school, was uprooted, moved to western Turkey, given a uniform, [a] rifle, and a little smattering of training, stuck on a ship, sailed ten thousand miles, then dumped off on a peninsula – ‘Korea, where’s that?’ – and told the enemy was up there someplace, go get him! The Turk soldier scratches his head and says, ‘What’s he done to me?’”(6)

The problem that the Allies would face with the Turks was easily understood having them arriving in Korea. Only a few of them, mainly officers were speaking English, while on the other hand no American was speaking Turkish. Therefore, the level of contact and communication between the Turkish Brigade and the IX Army Corps Headquarters where it was attached, was particularly poor up to non-existing, at least during the first stages.

The Bankers made you into indebted poodles. Wagging the tail up and down getting usury loans…………………LOL.

” but like their SAS motto WHO DARES WINS and that is exactly what the Turks are doing”…Turkey always plays it safe …The Turks in Korea CRASHING IN THE FIRST BATTLE.

Indeed, they tested the waters in Libya for a year and saw that the Arabs were hopeless and NATO will support them so they did what anyone with half balls would so. It is a failure of Russia really as it picked Egypt as a “partner”. Russia’s only hope of ever creating a strong alliance is to arm Iran. But I have a feeling China will get there first. Interesting times ahead.

Russia belongs to the WHITE race … just like the Greeks or HELL-ENIC

Well, there is no “white” race left, the world world is a mixture now and Russia has more ethnic diversity than Greece. The native Russian Tuvan, Tartars etc are Asiatic people. Only Slavic Russians and Caucasian Muslims can be described as “white”.

” The native Russian Tuvan, Tartars etc are Asiatic people. ” China will use this in the future, for its benefit. The solution is one: COOPERATION E.E with Russia.

I am sick and tired of these idiot brainwashed Greeks with full inferiority complex, really. Do you really believe you are the continuum of ancient Greeks especially after 500 ears of Ottoman rule? Typical Greek looks more middle eastern than european. Guess why?

Ιn nature, nothing is equal and similar to something else. The same goes for human races. We are not all the same..That’s why there are white, black and yellow races. These are BASIC things you should already know..We do not belong to the same race …no matter how hard you try to confuse oil with water, these will always remain separate. I guess you didn’t go to school to learn that.

LMFAO…wake up dumbass. You live in 18th century

Russia’s hope is to have a safe place in the Mediterranean. Because whoever owns the Mediterranean … owns the planet.

Just my suspicion of recent too about Russia’s weak policies in the Middle East. Russia planted doubt in the Iranians when it allowed Israel bomb Iranian targets at will, sometimes not even verbally condemning it. Iran helped Russian policy of keeping Assad in power by providing weapons, cash, and manpower (both IRGC and Hezbollah). Russia refuses to side with Iran and it’s allies against Israel, and sometimes even hold friendly talks with Israel. Iran, Turkey, and Pakistan should form and alliance and forget Russia. We all know Israel is the source of most troubles in the middle east, but everyone now realized Russia will not lift a finger to stop Israel. It did nothing even when 14 of its service members were killed in Syria. Those men died for nothing and the criminals who killed them went Scot free. Iran’s support for the GNA should be understood in the context of its growing differences with Russia for the laters role in allowing Israeli atrocities against Iranian assets in Syria. I think Iran and Turkey will take the same sides in Syria very soon. All Iran wants is secure a safe arms transport route to Hezbollah through Syria. Whether or not Assad continues to rule doesn’t matter provided Iran can arm Hezbollah anytime. Turkey who wants an elected MB government in Syria can easily guarantee this. Allow a Hezbollah-style militia in Syria to function alongside a Syrian military just like what we have in Lebanon. This should prove to Iran that Turkey will guarantee Iran’s interests even after Assad. If such arrangements were to emerge between Turkey and Iran, Russia will lose again. But Turkey and Iran could guarantee Russia its military bases and influence in Syria too post Assad. This i think should be an important point in their on-going negotiations.

Well, I try to tell you kids the TRUTH, which sometimes in upsetting for some. Russia is basically weak, it lost in Afghanistan even when it was the USSR with 250 million people. Now it is barely 140 multi-ethnic state under total Jew control and they have coopted the security and political apparatus. The daily Zionist strikes on Syria are conducted with full Russian support, even though they endanger Russian soldiers. Putin a third rate corrupt Major in a failed defunct KGB is setting military policy for Russia, even though he has not spend a day in the military or has even basic experience in foreign policy. Syria has effectively been sold down the drain and partitioned. Their only hope is to fight along asymmetrical war of liberation. The Russian bases in Latakia and Tartus are a liability now for Syria and its allies.

Couldn’t have said better myself. Totally agree with everything you are saying. Very analytic thinking. Congratulations.

Well it also just showed how some tech can change the world . Same as now ; antitank and manpads in the hands of a few guys wearing sandals can keep away an Airforce or navy.

I agree China has more potential but it has no experience fighting in the Middle East or Europe.

You hit the nail on the head. I responded as such above, before I read you comment here. Soon there will be a shift in alliance. Some will be surpsurprised …Another shift, again, Russia choosing wrong side, Russian American alliance against Iran.

An Iranian -Turco alliance will not work for long. Different religion (sects) ,culture and civilization/History.

Turkey is the uncouth new guy on the block and that won’t wash with Persia.

I hope it doesn’t wash Russia away, but my recent reflection on the Russian strategy shows Russia and Iran aren’t such great allies. For starters, Russia stops Israel attacking the Syrian regime soldiers, but does nothing to stop repeated attacks on Iran’s militia helping prop up Assad, and that includes Hezbollah. Secondly, Russia opposes Turkey in Libya, and Turkey has Iranian support. Both Turkey and Iran support similar sides in Yemen. Turkey and Iran are also enemies of the current Egyptian regime which Moscow support and arm. If you look at the whole picture, Russia is more of an opportunist than a true friend of any of the actors except for Israel. So I still think should the Turkish Iranian alliance emerge, Russia will likely be replaced with China. Iran just signed a 25-year military agreement with China. China and Pakistan are strong unofficial allies. Pakistan and Turkey are also unofficial allies, and both share a strong desire to support the Taliban in Afghanistan. Iran does have ideological differences with both Pakistan and Turkey. But Erdogan being a smart politician will navigate Iran away from hostility towards the Taliban.

Seems plausible ,thanks for that synopsis.

Russia should have allied with Greece /Cyprus with whom It shares religion ,culture and who have the best fighting record of all races. In addition ,these nations have closer relations with Libya and ties to the East med than Egypt or Turkey.

I also Balme the Greeks for being so cowardly or in the Nato pocket as they spurned Russian advances.

It is ironic that the supposedly arch leftie Tsipras spurned Russia yet the supposedly arch conservative Karamanlis the Younger actually tried to ally with Russia! Such was the foolishness of the Greeks.

It shouldnever be formally in Nato as they should have learned from Cyprus and “Macedonia” . Nato is not there to help Greece but to “protection racket” Greece into helping Turkey as was proven in 1974. The sooner the Greeks realise it the better.

In my opinion , new blood must be found in Greece from leaders untainted by ALL parties existing already . Alliances should be made with Iran and all the Moslem world as long as they do not actively foster or help the Turkish cause. So a Turk averse Iran and Egypt is fine.

Greece’s defence forces need to be purged of all Yankee bootlickers in power .

I like your insightful comments. Keep up the good work

By that logic Turkey should have been a shell bynow as they have killed many of their own people since day one. So no ,that is not it. Turkey has a good chance of winning as it is big thus fat globalists see a market ,it also has a history of acting “tough Turk” rather than “Euro values” like weak Central European leaders do.

If Europe had more Serb/Greek values then Turkey would not be so blustering and all mouth. It also helps that both Russia and America want her as an ally due to her geography and cannon -fodder army size.

Also ,another browbeating big talking Israel. That is why the two have been best pals from days one.

Sas motto? Originally from the Ancient greeks ,transliterated from the “o’pios aee’ Nika’ ” . He who dares ,wins!.

Agreed!

I am afraid I agree with you as far as Russia was duped or couldn’t fight on all fronts and chose to give into Erdo. The big losers is Europe in general and Greece ,Italy ,Cyprus and Libya in particular.

Us and Russia will still benefit from their friendship with an Islamist but having Turks based on the it’sSouthern border will screw Europe in many more ways than one. A Islamist who wants to destroy European culture will now have money and the ability to shove those Rapefugees into the emerging caliphate of Europe.

When the time comes I will go hunting for all those eunuch ,USA/zio-kowtowing politicians who have put us in this position. That is if the Sunni Turk horde hasn’t killed us already…

Wavered or backed off? Back scratching maybe? See what happens Syria. This may be the deal of the century. ..lol Israel won’t like it, nor the US…Turkish realignment?