Pentagon Admits That Actually 34 US Troops Were Injured in Iranian Strike on Al-Asad Base

100% truth. Soleimani was a diplomat more than a soldier. He was invited by the treacherous Iraqi government to negotiate with Saudis, it was a trap as the airspace and all border entrances are manned by Americunts. The Jews and the neo-con war lobby simply can not have peace in the region. The Zionist interest is endless war till the last dumbass Americunt.

Americunts are falling apart internally anyway at all levels. Today a pathetic report showed that over 50% don’t even have $1,000 for an emergency and most are lonely, isolated, no access to medical care and living worse than a dogs life. The Jew parasites have destroyed the US.

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US carefully built facade is now being peeled off and like Rome in its last days, the American empire of wars, greed and lies is falling apart.

Only because they were hijacked from within, there are more freedoms (free speech, gun rights) and job opportunities there than in the easternmost European countries. Some believe the US was constructed by jews to rule the world.

The Russian revolutionary jews in 1916 also had that goal.

That’s quite an exaggeration, though many veterans aren’t receiving their benefits.

In the UK saturday Telegraph today it states that 11.5 million people (presumably adults, sic) have less than £100 in savings.

The total population of the UK is circa 65 million. So circa 17% of the (Adult, sic) population are literally living ‘hand to mouth’.

There is one massive advantage for ALL in the UK, and that is the National Health Service that provides FREE health care at all levels for everyone, irrespective of income.

I read Your stuf. Most of it make sense. So its a + :)

And thank you. The folk here do need a little opposition.

Yes.

So many here are kept totally isolated from the rest of the world. I started here because some muslim in Denmark blamed me for knowing nothing.

They know very little themselves and that includes som few jews and christians too, but most muslims.

Its not because they know nothing. Its like they know many things for the world and especilaly among themselves in totally wrong ways.

I have learned a lot by reading here too. If I get 150 years ago,I might be a Superprofessor in Middle East according to almost everuy thing if my memory at that timeis not gone:)

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Personally I know nothing of Hasbara troll gay orgies because 1 I’m not gay and 2 I’m not a Hasbara troll

And as for me been stupid and suicidal as you suggest well I guess your right about the stupid part. I was stupid enough not to EVER try suicide unlike Israel if it ever tried to take Iran on in a 1 on 1 battle. That would be suicidal for Israel. Kinda like going to a black American hip hop party dressed in a KKK uniform.

It will be suicidal for them and they know it. Mullahs better stop their nuclear program, or we will stop it for them – whatever the cost.

it will cost your country

We will see about it.

It is sad that the average redneck has been totally brainwashed by sick perverted Jews and Hollywood and sent to die for OIL while the Bilderberg banks have enslaved them. Americunts are in worse shape than most people in the developing world as human life span is decreasing in the US as most have no access to even basic health care. If you are a WASP fuckwit like the old moron Trump, Pence etc or a Jew then you can have the best health care, but for 99% of the population life is a horror story, especially for Blacks, Hispanics, and trailer trash “whites”. It is 21st century feudalism at its worse.

Why bother arguing with Joe? he’s wasting your time Jake. Let him bark, that’s all they can do anyway.

And where did you say your Soviet Union is? Fools like you said things like that before, as did the Japanese. Oh, do note that the US removed the Taliban from power and near 20 years later they still haven’t gotten it back.

Their top general and a half dozen of his top military buddies are still very dead. You have anymore deals like this to offer?

On this matter what I do know that is that, operationally speaking, Soleimani is replaceable, Ismail Ghaani is a capable commander and will fill his shoes rather nicely from what I’ve read, Symbolically though this was a substantial blow.

Now the question that needs to be asked is whether or not Iran’s successful operation re-established deterrence or not. I’m on the side that it didn’t and we can very likely see an increase in tensions in future.

Yep. Actually, it has made it more dangerous. Trump has tasted first blood and given who he is and wants to be, likely loves it. The Iranians think they now have more deterrence than they do and read Trump backing down from his bluster way too optimistically. But worse, they may now make the fatal mistake of underestimating Israel’s resolve about not allowing Iranian nukes.

So? The only dead in this deal were Islamist Iran’s top general and a half dozen of his top military buddies plus well over a hundred Iranians killed in the airliner the trigger happy Iranians shoot down and the 50 Iranians killed honoring the pieces of the blown up general. Still looks like quite the deal favoring the US and Israel.

You’ve added nothing of worth to the topic at hand other than gloating about the death of a replaceable general. I’m not going to waste my time arguing over such things. My main post was about the pure military aspect of the Iranian operation, talking about the bigger the picture doesn’t really have much relevance to the main point of my post. Militarily this was a very successful operation and a wake up call to those who think Iran doesn’t have the ability, nothing more, nothing less.

You can go find someone else to bother, I won’t satiate your need to jerk off your ego.

Your so erudite presentation has all the meaning in this situation as those around here who keep claiming Cave Man fighting is more manly than the high tech variety. But yes, the Iranian weapons are impressive but of little use if their broad use brings the end to Iran as a functioning modern country. Talking about the wonders of their weapons outside the broad context is interesting but not very meaningful.

Undoubtedly being able to adequately delineate and contextualize military matters pertaining to certain weapons and operations using aforementioned weapons platforms is interesting from military stand-point. I sincerely do disagree what you said at the end of your post though. It is very important to realize as well as fully ascertain that such advancements in weapons technology is indeed quite meaningful as it allows for emerging nations to sport viable deterrence weapons that hold both strategic as well as tactical value.

Furthermore, I’ve always been keen on the weapons used by various world armed forces to carry out their respective operations so I like to comment on them. Scholarly discussions about geo-politics and who is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ rarely get anyone anywhere since they often devolve to nothing more than flagrant shit-posting. So I tend to excuse myself from such interactions for obvious reasons.

However, weapons comparisons and relative resolve do tend to say how a war will go which is all it is about anyway, I think. But seriously, if you have a scholarly bent, it really would be helpful to many around here to know what weapons Israel has.

What we do know for a fact, based on the lat 30 years or more of observation, is that Israel’s weapons are of minor advantage against Hizbollah and groups such as the Houthi. So much so that in a full scale fight tonthe death with Hezbollah, Israel will certainly not prevail. More than weapons, the geostrategic situation of Israel and Irannwill determine the final outcome. Israel’s position is precarious to say the least.

And if it does, it will be stopped cold before it has a deliverable nuke even if it involves the use of nukes Israel already has lots of. And you seem to know enough of the situation there to know this as well. That is the main reason Islamist Iran has NOT gone for building a deliverable nuke for now. Up to now, they have not been as stupid and suicidal as lots of folk around here want them to be. Oh, a MRV for a conventional missile may not be of much note. But it does make quite the difference for a nuke ICBM. For the sake of the Iranian People I hope the Murdering Mullahs remain smart and don’t become suicidal or don’t test their luck against Israel’s resolve.

Agree to disagree, that’s all I have to say on this matter.

I’ve taken a cursory look at your 45,000 or so posts and see you’re firmly in the American/Israeli camp. You and I talking further about such things will only devolve into senseless banter, so I’m going to stop our dialogue early. Don’t want to deal with it to be sincere with you. If you’re willing to act cordial and with respect to civil dialogue then I will commune with you but I don’t want to deal with any jingoistic overtones or military chest thumping. I view it as childish banter not fit for discussion.

Again: You put way to much credence in the American/Israel camp ability to stop Iran’s push for a nuclear weapon if they so choose to do so, such blind faith is not healthy

What would be most unhealthy for the Iranian People is for Islamist Iran to press its luck against Israel’s resolve in any existential conflict. You make interesting and detailed presentations about Iranian weapons, implying by this how wonderfully powerful Iran is. How about doing the same for Israel and making a comparison? That is what matters in this situation, even without considering the US.

On the subject matter pertaining to Israeli military capabilities my knowledge is only slightly more than surface level, I know a decent amount but not enough to give a thorough comment that contains a ‘professional’ level of military analysis so to speak, I won’t mince my words here out of respect to the topic at hand. But I will give a crack at it for the sake of fairness.

You make interesting and detailed presentations about Iranian weapons, implying by this how wonderfully powerful Iran is./blockquote> — To be fair that is your own implications derived from what I said that jive with your own perspective on the issue. My intent was to lay bare the advancements in Iranian missile tech for all to see and take in from an objective stand-point. Essentially one can make of it what they will but the reality that must be accepted (it would be folly not to) is that Iran’s missile technology, production as well as military applications can no longer be dismissed. From a pure military stance this sort of technology, that is in indigenous, has to be taken into account by anyone who is viewing such subjects intellectually or scholarly.

How about doing the same for Israel and making a comparison?/blockquote> World renowned Israeli missile analysis Uzi Rubin has stated on multiple occasions that Iran’s approach to dealing with enemy assets is an elegant one that Israel itself should be keen in adopting possibly in the future down the road. But the current world military meta regarding use of kinetic force to deal with military objectives is through the extensive use of jet-aircraft and other weaponized aerial platforms. In this regard, Israel ranks as one of the worlds best along with the United States in terms of its implementation. The F-16I, F-35 ADIR and F-15, the lintany of Israeli armed Drones all of which have been retrofitted with Israeli made technology such as the lightning POD are reliable as well as viable military platforms in order to conduct symmetrical operations from a conventional perspective. Furthermore, Israel’s use of such weaponry is so effective since it has access to world class technology that is unmitigated, as well intimate cooperation with U.S. armed forces supplemented by a healthy dose of U.S. investment that allows for Israel to produce very high-tech weapons. For example there is a now captured Israeli Davids Sling missile that was downed in Syria or Lebanon, possibly even Gaza (not too sure about where it landed). The pictures of the inside of the missile tell a very interesting story. To anyone with any appreciable level of knowledge about the technology that goes inside missiles, Israel’s David Sling is a good-example of what the word ‘advanced’ encompasses. The missile itself is quite small yet is sports an impressive array of sensors that only comes with the miniaturization of technology, a capability only the top-rung of humanity has access to. For example infrared sensors, EO (electronic optical sensors), radar homing are all rather big systems physically but the Israeli made missile manages to fit that sort of technology into a small form factor indicating a high-level of technology. Bow that missile is just for defense purposes, but that same miniaturization carries over into Israel’s offensive arsenal as well. Israel is able to strike targets in Syria due to two things, first foremost Israel is using the U.S. footprint in Al-Tanf to conduct strike operations against military targets, essentially using the Americans as a shield since no air-craft will willingly go near the Americans and risk a conflagration, at least for now. Israel also uses Lebanese Airspace to conduct their missions. The weapons Israel uses are small form factor, small diameter glide bombs and cruise missiles such as the Delilah. They fire them from a stand-off position and fly back to base. Using Israel’s satellite network to find and identify targets and take them out. It’s rather straight forward.

That’s a good first cut. But above all else, if need be, Israel has an extensive, modern, advanced nuclear triad of land, air and sea based nuclear missiles, most of which are thermonuclear. It even has a second strike nuclear capability which includes nuclear armed subs in the seas near Iran. And it has MRV ICBM’s that can reach most anyplace in the world. But these are only for deterrence and use in an existential situation. You did a good initial job in indicating their capabilities with conventional weapons which often are a wee bit more than conventional. I truly hope for the sake mostly of the Iranian People that the two countries’ relative weapons capabilities are never demonstrated.

This post is bit messy, my apologies.

Iran, juxtaposed to Israel, had to develop its own missile program primarily due to the sanctions and weapons embargo effective blocking Iran from obtaining an equal conventional arsenal of jets in order to complete its own military objectives. Iran’s missile arsenal has come a long way but also has Israel’s and America’s. Everyone of the belligerents is advancing their own technology, of this there is no doubt.

Iran in comparison to Israel, from a pure conventional view-point, is simple outgunned when it comes down to brass tax. Israel sports the most capable air-force in the region outside of the various U.S. air-wings deployed due both in part to Israel’s own indigenous development in weapons platforms as well as expertise in the implementation of said weapons.

While Israel using long range stand off munitions fired from Jets primarily although Israel is starting to use Ground-to-Ground missile systems as well. Iran decided to develop intensely its own missile program. The Fateh series is derived from extensive modifications on the ZelZal that maturated into the Fateh-110 and the general evolution goes like this. Fateh-110>Fateh 313>Zolfaghar>Dezful. The other variants are just modifications made to the Fateh platform that are meant to be used for specific missions.

Both Iran and Israel can now hit their enemies from a stand-off position with great accuracy, so in this respect they have similar operational capabilities. Israel has its own ballistic missiles but they are meant for Nuclear payloads, not conventional payloads like the ones Iran uses. Furthermore Irans Fateh’s have a bigger conventional payload since the Fateh sport 450kg~1,000lb HE warheads but that’s neither here nor there. I’m assuming you want me to give my own opinion on how a military conflagration between Iran and Israel is gonna look like? For me to even begin to address such a question I will need to inform you that, from my point of view having studied military matters for quite some time, Israel won’t be keen on using nukes right off the bat since officially Iran doesn’t have nukes and Israel nuking a none-nuclear nation in a conventional war just because it can doesn’t make any sense. If Israel nukes Iran, Israel will look like the bad guy here no matter how much the U.S. tries to protect them. Needless this will spur Iran to develop its own nuclear deterrence without a shadow of a doubt if it hasn’t already decided to do so in secret already.

So barring that, I will say rather bluntly, Israel and Iran will more or less be lobbing missiles at each other for the most part (not all that interesting I know). Iran doesn’t have the ground-force or air-cover to invade Israel and Israel doesn’t the man-power or want to invade Iran so the only viable option left is for both nations to fire off missiles at one-another and destroy what objectives they deem worth destroying.

You won’t like this but unless the U.S. gets involved to intervene on Israel’s behalf, Iran and its allies have the means to hurt Israel quite substantially. Hamas, Hezbollah, IRGC Missile Forces and the various other Iranian allied factions will be working in tandem to fire off large volleys of missile that will overwhelm Israel missile defense systems in the early stages of the conflict. We know that Hezbollah alone, at the expanse of the Lebanese state, can bog down the entire Israeli military due to how entrenched, well armed and experience Hezbollah is. But when multiple factions are raining down missiles on your airports, sea-ports, power plants, Oil rigs, economic zones and Nuclear plants (Dimona). You will feel the pain.

Israel on the other hand will be engaged in taking out whatever Nuclear facilities they can reach, namely the Bushrer facility as well as massively expanding its airstrike on targets in Syria and Iraq. If Iran takes too many losses and leaves Syria then it’s an Israeli win, plus several Iranian nuclear facilities are out of commission for some time. If Iran manages to weather Israel’s areal bombardment whilst destroying military objectives in Israel forcing a U.N. cease-fire then Iran and allies can claim they won. But it sort of comes down to a numbers game of sorts.

As I indicated, if at any point Israel reads any Islamist Iranian attack or one by its proxies as existential, its long standing military policy is to use ALL the weapons it has for its survival. Just one item you mentioned would likely spell the end of Iran as a functioning modern country, a serious attack on Dimona. There is no question that that would be met with a nuclear response. And to rely on public opinion to forestall an Israeli nuclear response in an existential situation is an extremely dangerous pipe dream. As Golder said, a bad press is better than a good obituary. Oh, and again, it is Israel’s basic national policy that Islamist Iran having a deliverable nuclear weapon is an existential threat that will not be allowed, whatever it takes to prevent it. Also note that in the past the US has often constrained Israel just when it had the edge to a more total victory. Don’t expect that from Trump or even Biden.

What’s fair is fair I suppose.

But again I doubt Israel’s ability to “take out” Iran’s civilian nuclear infrastructure. I come from the school of thought that if Israel was going to take care of it they would have done so already lending some credence to the argument that Israel lacks sufficient means to severely hamper Iran’s nuclear infrastructure. The year is now 2020 and Iran is stronger militarily than ever before, moreover it’s most sensitive sites are secured by world-class air-defense systems (these systems are growing in number and deployment), all of this on top the fact that Iran’s nuclear infrastructure is both underground and dispersed throughout the nation. I can’t being to tell you how innately difficult it is too ‘take out’ such things, no matter how many times you say it. But this is where we will have to agree to disagree, I’ll leave it at that.

I told this to Iron Zion not too long ago to which he even agreed with, I said “to go after Iran in Syria is one thing, but to After Iran in Iran is a completely different thing”.

I truly hope for the sake of the Iranian People, as I said many times before, they do not test Israel’s resolve. Note that a seriously disrupted nuclear program can’t produce a deliverable nuclear weapon. The whole program does not have to be destroyed. And again, Islamist Iran with a deliverable nuclear weapon has long been at the top of the list of Israel’s existential threats that must be counted regardless of the weapons used or cost. I doubt Israel will use nukes initially. But in a war, Iran will surely do something which pushes Israel over the edge into using at least tactical nukes. But then again, who knows what else Israel has in its advanced technological weapons bag that might be as effective. In an all out war, Israel will suffer, maybe greatly, but Iran and it’s proxies maybe beyond suffering. Oh, do note that for the foreseeable future, the US will be backing Israel on a level beyond anything before, given that it will likely be Trump or Biden.

We will see I guess, not much else can be said on the matter outside of us just repeating our stances ad nauseam.

Nobody has the capability to stop Iran from producing a nuclear weapon at this point in time. Their missile technology is already space and reentry capable. They have mastered the nuclear fuel cycle. Their long range missiles are sheltered beneath mountains in kilometers of tunnels. They are a week away from a nuclear detonation and should be able to concurrently arm a delivery missile at same the time a test is successful. The method for dping this is quite simple, well within their capabilities. Even shitty little regimes like Israel and Pakistan can produce nuclear weapons, what makes you think an advanced state like Iran cannot?

Always viewing the world through the bottom of a Vodka ration bottle does distort your view of the world and others, Igor.

Exposing US military obsolescence and inferiority was a much bigger loss for the US and Israel than Iran’s loss of replaceable military personnel.

Sour grapes, spoken like a sore loser.

You’re a truth hater.

True man, the guys here have no idea who is Gantz. They think the IDF is weak, but when the operation starts in Gaza and we send everyday hundreds of terrorists to meet their God, they won’t laugh I promise you.

But they will cry a lot and sound like little babies whining “It’s not fair. It’s not fair. Boohoo!”

The only thing they could do is to beg for a ceasefire, but Gantz is not Bibi. Wait Jake, the best is yet to come after the elections my friend.

Nor is Trump Obama (even though I hate Trump). Anyway, why the US has stopped Israel in the past from finishing a war to a WW2 type victory never made any sense to me.

The Arabs usually put pressure on the U.S to force us to stop, same in 2006. Trump however, is a strong president that doesn’t back down to the Arab’s money nor oil. Too bad for them, Gantz doesn’t back down either, they will have many bodies to count in their hospitals if we go all in. Mercy time is over mate.

Well, the Soviets also put pressure on. So the change in leadership in Israel, the US, Russia and even the Arab Sunni world makes this a very different situation from ever in the past.

Yeah, Hamas doesn’t have the support they used to have from the Arab League, now it’s only from Iran. Even Egypt is woking with us againt them and ISIS in Sinai, times have changed indeed.

Israel is in the weakest military position it’s been since you almost lost in 73. And Iran and the Arabs are stronger than they’ve ever been.

I wouldn’t count on the Egyptians selling out the Palestinians.