Radical supporters of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) continue their attempts to sabotage the shaky ceasefire (very shaky) imposed in northeastern Syria in the framework of the Turkish-Russian agreement. The agreement allowed to limit the Turkish operation area, stop the Turkish push towards Kobani (Ayn al-Arab) and prevent a further escalation in the region. Nonetheless, sporadic clashes between Turkish-backed forces and Kurdish rebels continued near Ras al-Ayn. Actions of the SDF supporters endanger even these achievements.
According to media reports, pro-SDF rioters temporarily blocked the joint Russian-Turkish patrol. Reports also indicate that at least one rioter was injured by actions of Turkish forces. The situation remains unclear.
Foo shows the stoppage of military vehicles of the joint Russian-Turkish patrol in the southern countryside of Kobani, under protests by local civilians of the area. pic.twitter.com/D5UwZYZDZY
— NORTH PRESS AGENCY – ENGLISH (@NPA_English) November 12, 2019
SON DAKİKA
Türk askerlerinin, Rus askeri polisleriyle Kobanê'de yaptığı devriyeye halk tepki gösterdi. Türk askerleri halka ateş açtı. Gelen ilk bilgilere göre şehit düşen siviller ile yaralılar var. pic.twitter.com/bjr53fUYWG— Fehim Işık (@Fehim_Isik) November 12, 2019
Kurds….better control your folks…or it will become another painful episode in Kurdish History…
A way is someone like You if possible learn to behave better. You are the frontrunners for it..
BuuURP****..oops…excuse me…sumthin’ like that Sir? I ain’t no primitive bein’… I very well know etiquette & all that shit…
Quite a few provocateurs out of their SDF/YPG/YPJ uniforms i would wager. Have too admit Russian soldiers have the patience of saints, but that wont last forever, especially when they steal their property (antenna)
Looks like now Kurds attack only Turks. https://youtu.be/Jvr4qDIzvS0
This is relevant ! Thanks.
Looks like that, they can see the flags.
One antenna for all your land, sounds like an unfair swap to me. Stealing hey, I think you’re misrepresenting who the biggest thief is by making that statement, and it’s not the Kurd who stole a Russian antenna.
If this Turkish-Russian agreement is temporary and Syria goals is to limit the area of fighting. how is ambushing these patrol help these people ? they are only making things worse …
Worse for vhome.It was an area for non fioghtings for years secured by SDFs just as most of the SDFs maximum.
“secured by SDF” … they cant hold nothing once they are faced with overwhelming power, just look at what happened when the terrorist dogs backed by turkey did in Afrin and in these last weeks. Without the Syrian and Russian army presence. These people are doomed
I did not write that. I wrote their was no war in that zone for years, so why go to there and make refugees there as well.
Isnt 3,5 mio for Turks enough.
And if SDFs had not moved away ISIS, the only other option was to try to leave to Turkey as well. Up to 400.000 extra refugees and some more arabs from south as well.
Its barking mafness, what Turks do now, and Russians seemes totally unclever as well.
Kurda are lucky that place isn’t Israel. Had Kurds been acting this way in Israel, the Israelis would open fire and kill the rioters with full immunity and zero condemnation from International Observers.
The last video made me laugh. The restraint shown by the Turkish and Russian patrols deserves praise and applause. One person on the Kurdish side gets injured after Kurds raised nothing but havoc, threatening the livelihood of Turkish and Russian military personnel, and Kurds cry foul trying to paint the patrolling forces as the bad guys and aggressors ???????????????????. Get real! These people are silly, nothing but thugs. The behavior of Kurds is disgusting..
Erdogan rightfully condemns the Israeli’s when they shoot unarmed Palestinians just throwing stones, but he’s happy enough to shoot unarmed protesters himself when it suites him, that’s a bit of a double standard isn’t it.
there is noone shutted down, that silly women died from their own stones. If turkish army kill them, there wouldnt be anyone throw stones.
The Turkish army, or what’s left of it since Erdogan’s locked up or booted out most of the command structure, isn’t doing so well against the Kurdish ALF [operating out of SAA/Russian controlled Tall Rif at], for every ALF Kurd killed there’s at least 4 or 5 Turks and a couple of dozen Turkish proxies killed, as well as heaps of infrastructure destroyed. What’s the latest casualty figures for Turkey? and who’s inflicting the most casualties? it’s the ALF doing all the damage, and the Turks have stopped releasing their figures because they’re so bad. The Turkish army is showing the world they’re no better than the terrorist/rebels they use as proxies, that’s what they’re doing now.
“but he’s happy enough to shoot unarmed protesters himself when it suites him”
According to who, a Yinon plan Jew world order axis of terror mouth piece like the SOHR? They lie as much as you do.
Trust the Kurds or trust the Turks, mmmmm, that’s a tough one, mmmmm, mmmm, well as much as I don’t like trusting either side, mmmmmm, I think I’ll come down on the side of the Kurds, mmmm, yeah I think I’ll believe the Kurds this time.
I’ll believe the proof, do you have anything credible? I’ve looked and haven’t found any when many people have smart phones with good quality audio visual.
Oh you haven’t found any pretty pictures, maybe the protesters were too busy trying to run away to take video for you, to busy dodging bullets to pull out the phone and record it, what bad luck hey.
The SOHR is a well known fake news site. So I’m not surprised that a habitual liar like you is peddling their propaganda.
Anybody that’s ever read any of my comments already knows I continually condemn SF for quoting SOHR articles, what makes you think I’m using that little turds info to make my assertion, I read many Kurdish sources of news, both pro and anti Assad, that’s where my info came from, not the SOHR, LOL, what a stupid assumption.
Then quote them with links, I haven’t seen them. The only ones that I’ve seen originated with the SOHR. I’m assuming that they’re either derivatives of the SOHR report, or mimic it with zero proof like the SOHR. Because they’re probably bulls—. Just like the SOHR report.
Oh and it couldn’t possibly be that the SOHR got it’s info from kurdish media, LOL. https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/121120191
It has zero proof of any shootings or scores of injured protesters. With news crews on the scene if it actually happened the Kurds would have this all over the msm just like when the female politician’s suv was shot up. Because it’s almost certainly made up propaganda.
I trust hardly any international organizations at all, but one I do trust is Amnesty International, and this is what they have to say, MORON,
“Amnesty International also corroborated witness testimony, verified video footage and reviewed a medical report to shed light on how Hevrin Khalaf, a Kurdish female politician and Secretary General of the Future Syria political party, was ambushed on 12 October on the international highway linking Raqqa to Qamishli. She was dragged out of her car, beaten and shot dead in cold blood by fighters from Ahrar al-Sharqiya. They also summarily killed her bodyguard.
On the same day and location Ahrar al-Sharqiya fighters also captured and then killed at least two Kurdish fighters. They also abducted two civilian men, both of whom work with a local medical organization and were transporting medicine at the time they were captured. Family members confirmed to Amnesty International that their whereabouts remained unknown. Amnesty International verified the time and date of the videos showing that the summary killings and abduction of the two civilians carried out on the afternoon on 12 October”.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/10/syria-damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-and-other-violations-by-turkish-forces-and-their-allies/
Read the whole article in full you MORONIC paid for troll. I’m going to start calling you out for what you really are from now on, A PAID FOR TROLL.
You’ve got some wires crossed upstairs. Probably from the onset of senility aggravated by narcotics use. Nobody disagrees that the Turkish terrorists, not the Turkish military. Shot some Kurds last month. That’s a different incident. You have a bad habit of changing the subject when you’re losing a debate. It makes you look like the imbecile that you are.
I told you to read the whole Amnesty International article MORON, and there was a reason why I told you to read the whole lot.
“The Turkish military offensive into northeast Syria has wreaked havoc on the lives of Syrian civilians who once again have been forced to flee their homes and are living in constant fear of indiscriminate bombardment, abductions and summary killings. Turkish military forces and their allies have displayed an utterly callous disregard for civilian lives, launching unlawful deadly attacks in residential areas that have killed and injured civilians,” said Kumi Naidoo, Secretary General of Amnesty International. Turkey is responsible for the actions of the Syrian armed groups it supports, arms and directs. So far, Turkey has given these armed groups free rein to commit serious violations in Afrin and elsewhere. We call on Turkey again to end violations, hold perpetrators accountable, and protect civilians living under their control. Turkey cannot evade responsibility by outsourcing war crimes to armed groups”.
You’re a very stupid paid for troll, you’re making yourself look like an imbecile and an un apologising liar, as well as an obviously paid for propagandist. Don’t bother to ask for any more links, it’s obvious you don’t even bother to read them.
Another dodge. Changing the subject doesn’t prove that the Turkish military shot protesters during joint Russian Turkish military patrols. The story by the Zionist Kurds that you’re shilling for is bulls—. Just like the lies and stupidity that you’re constantly spamming these threads with as you make a complete fool of yourself.
A very stupid paid for troll, that’s what you are.
You’re a truth hater making false allegations to try to divert attention from all of your lies and failures.
Without pretty pictures it must be a lie hey, isn’t it lucky Amnesty International said in the article they do have video verification,
https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amnesty.org%2Fen%2Flatest%2Fnews%2F2019%2F10%2Fsyria-damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-and-other-violations-by-turkish-forces-and-their-allies%2F%3A_PviOtCRP1yoKotKwosD7V5ewFU&cuid=3606370
Do want them to show that atrocious footage on TV do you, just so you can see it with your own eyes and believe it, they won’t do that, but don’t worry, some piece of shit just like you will eventually release it and post it for you to watch.
That’s a month old from before the alleged incident. The only thing that it proves is that you have no proof and are trying to change the subject to divert attention from your lack of proof.
This is proof, what you’ve posted is bulls—. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ4ppVnBjM4
Yes this is proof the Israelis are morally depraved, and how does that help disprove the Turks actions in Syria aren’t also morally depraved, what’s the connection between the two? You do know that Erdogan’s soldiers even shot at the refugees that were trying to get into Turkey when they were fleeing the latest SAA advances, the very same refugees that actually supported Erdogan’s intervention into Syria. What world do you live in, even SF had several articles concerning the Turkish rejection of Syrian refugees, SF also had several more articles asserting HTS forces were actively stopping refugees from fleeing north to Turkey, and as everyone but you seems to know know, HTS is just another proxy of Turkey anyway. You’re using the Kurdish excuse for a Turkish intervention into Syria, and that’s possibly understandable concerning Al Hasakah and Aleppo, but what about Ar Raqqah, Idlib, Latakia, and Hama, what was Erdogan’s excuse for trying to annex them?
It shows what real proof is. The kind that you can’t provide for your Kurd bulls— propaganda.
They’re identical and they’re both bulls— with zero proof that should be readily available if the incident actually happened. You’re spamming these threads with lies from the Zionist Kurds that you’re shilling for.
They’re both BS are they, that means the Turks must be telling the truth then, LOL you MORON.
If you disagree then quote the Turks with links and disprove what they’ve said about the incident with credible proof with links. You can’t so you won’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ4ppVnBjM4
Syria Civil War Map and Syria Live Map are both showing the SDF in the buffer zone in violation of the MOU. So either the maps are wrong or the Russian claims that the SDF has withdrawn from the buffer zone are wrong.
It looks like the shoe is on the other foot. In Idlib it was the Turks who couldn’t or wouldn’t bring the terrorists into compliance. In the NE it looks like the Russians are unable to bring the terrorists into compliance. The difference is that the Turks never claimed that they were able to bring the terrorists into compliance. Which looks bad for the Russians who’re claiming that they have brought the terrorists into compliance. If they haven’t, as appears to be the case, then they ought to try to correct that to improve the situation.
Because the Turks may expand the occupation zone to clear the SDF terrorists out of the buffer zone if the Russians and Syrians are unable or unwilling to do it themselves.
The primary problem that’s causing much of this is the Iraqis allowing the US to use Iraq to occupy Syria and support secession there.
Are you forgetting the US and the Kurds conduct joint patrols along a 100 km stretch of the north eastern Turkish/Syrian border. And why didn’t you mention the Turks have killed 30+ SAA soldiers using the Russian/Turkish MOU as an excuse, that’s info the syrialiveuamaps also had available. And your comparison of the Turks inability to contain the very terrorist they enabled, armed, and supported themselves, is not applicable to the Kurdish/Russian dilema. The Turks could stop their own terrorist just by refusing to give them any more support, but the Russian’s have no such option, the Russians don’t fund the Kurds, arm the Kurds, or support the Kurds in any way whatsoever, just negotiate slippery deals, so they have no way of curtailing their activities other than their threat to not stop the Turks if they don’t comply to their demands.
What you fail to understand is this, the Kurds were already well on the path to reconciliation with the Syrian government before the Turks invaded, go back and check news articles from the archives, if the Turks hadn’t invaded straight after the US announcement to pull out, the Kurds might have already been incorporated back into the old system already, it was only after the invasion things went back to crap again. The US announcement to pull out of Syria sent the Kurds scurrying off to Assad to make a deal, the Turkish invasion sent them all scurrying back to the US, WITH A LEGITIMATE EXCUSE FOR TRUMP NOT TO ABANDON THEM THIS TIME.
What’s the difference between what the Israelis have done to Palestine and the Palestinian people, and what the Turks are doing to the Kurds in Syria and Iraq, very little at all, both cases have so many similarities it isn’t funny, just make some comparisons yourself, yet you condemn the Israeli actions against the Palestinians but support the Russians assisting the Turks doing the very same thing to the Kurds.
Confused are we? Israelis are taking the Palestine lands, the kurds are taking the Syrian commons and using US as its power for thievery. Kurds have turned down very generous terms from the Syrian government with the Russians as mediators. They will continue to do so until the heavy hammer comes down, soon.
I know Kurdish history well enough to know their 2000+ year occupation of the same lands they’ve lived in since Roman times is totally justifiable and irisputable, only the Iranians/Persians can make the same claim, Turkey, Iraq, and Syria are just constructs of the western world, the same as modern Israel is. Just constructs by the same powers that are now once again trying to reshape the Middle East. Europe, Russia, England, and the US, all had a hand at shaping what you perceive to be the “countries” they are now, for only 100, 200, 500 years at most, but the Kurds and the Iranians can go back 2000+ years to backup their claims of territorial sovereignty, I think you need to read some actual history, you’re the one that’s confused.
As to a heavy Russian hammer coming down on the Kurds, please forgive me while I LOL LOL LOL, and what’s the US going to do when and if the Russians do come down with a heavy hammer, step aside? The Russians have the capability to give the US a good run for their money in a worldwide conflict, in Syria they could wipe out the US in a day or two, that’s not the problem, the problem is this, all the times Putin’s let the US and Israel occupy, bomb, attack with cruise missiles, fund the people killing them, and totally frustrate everything that Putin’s trying to do in Syria, hasn’t really set a good precedent for any future Russian actions that might put Russia in direct conflict with the US. I used to criticise Putin’s failure to stand up to the US constantly, I think Putin’s lack of resolve concerning the US meddling in Syria has just exacerbated Syria’s woes. His failure to stand up to both Obama and Israel just encouraged them to take advantage of his weakness [and it was weakness] and up the ante every time. Even Trump who I admire [and regrettably from my point of view, and on the false pretext of a CW attack], attacked Syrian forces with a huge cruise missile strike [which did very little damage] and just casually ignored the Russian threats to not only repel the incoming missiles, but also attack the planes and ships that launched them. So don’t hold your breath waiting for that big Russian hammer to come pounding down, I’ve been praying Putin would do exactly that, to first the US, and then the Israelis, and finally the Turks too before they became allies, but I was thoroughly disappointed every single time, I have a funny feeling you may be too.
You can’t conduct a rational debate with an irrational idiot. The Kurdish majority areas are all in the buffer zone. 90% of what they stole was is Arab areas, like the oil fields. This moron has got some wires crossed upstairs. Probably brain damaged from narcotics use.
You should read what Assad says about the matter, he doesn’t blame the Kurds as a whole like you do, he makes a distinction between the vast majority of Kurds who’re happy to reconcile with Assad’s government, and the SDF leadership which is still refusing to reconcile, he also goes on to point out that now there are just as many Arab and Turkmen in the SDC/SDF who have the same aspirations as the SDF Kurdish leadership has. The SDF Kurdish makeup is less than half the whole SDF makeup, there are more Arabs, Turkmen, and other religious/ethnic groups in the SDF now than there are Kurdish fighters, so why are they still called “the Kurds”, when less than half of them are actually Kurdish, it’s because of people like you. The Syrian Democratic Council’s makeup isn’t that much different either, which is something else Assad keeps pointing out, there are just as many other ethnic and religious groups that make up the Autonomous government as there are Kurdish groups. So in essence the problem isn’t a Kurdish problem at all, it’s an Arab/Turkmen/Muslim/Christian/Yazidi/Kurdish problem, and that’s what Assad keeps saying it is, not a Kurdish problem [and no he didn’t use those exact words Richard, just read or watch his interviews]. You may be too stupid to recognize the facts on the ground, and have totally ignored what Assad’s said in his last few interviews, but the real truth is the problem ISN’T JUST A KURDISH PROBLEM, it’s a Syrian problem, with every denomination and ethnic group in Syria except for the Druze, contributing to the ongoing push for autonomy. You’re the habitual liar moron, you continually ignore the truth and perpetuate inaccuracy and confusion, the SDF aren the “Kurds”, the people still pushing hard for an autonomous government aren’t the “Kurds”, Assad himself tells us who they are and points the finger of accusation, it’s a conglomerate of nearly all of the different ethnic and religious groupings in Syria, so they can’t be dealt with in the same way they could if they were just made up from the Kurdish grouping, one size won’t fit all when it comes to ending the aspirations of autonomy, the varied religious/ethic/political groups that make up the SDC won’t allow for a one size fits all scenario. I think you are a paid for troll RichardD, you always have a way of hiding/highlighting/confusing/misunderstanding/repeating everything you read to suit only one agenda, promotion of one side of the story.
You haven’t disproven anything that I’ve posted with credible proof. While I’ve outed your lies and false accusations many times. The most recent being your claim that the Turks are shooting protesters like the baby rapers do.
I repeated the news moron, and what did you say,
“The difference is that the Turks never claimed that they were able to bring the terrorists into compliance”,
But the first 11 Astana agreements prove you’re lying moron, why don’t you read what they actually say.
That’s not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
“but he’s happy enough to shoot unarmed protesters himself when it suites him”
According to who, a Yinon plan Jew world order axis of terror mouth piece like the SOHR? They lie as much as you do.
You either believe the Kurds or you believe the Turks, and as I said before, if I’m going to have to choose which of the two I’m going to believe, I’ll reluctantly pick the Kurdish version, afterall the Turkish media has shown me just how loose with the truth the Turkish side is, Kurdish media is a million times more accurate, maybe even a billion times more accurate than the Turkish media is. LOL, if I believed the Zionists were as powerful and clever as you seem to believe they are, I’d become a Zionist too, LOL. Remember when I told you Trump actually helped the anti Zionists by sacking Bolton just before the election, have you noticed the Arab parties have just started negotiation with the White and Blue party, and that nuttyyahoo is looking more and more like doing jail time, let the real anti Zionist do their jobs idiot, you don’t help our situation, you just make it worse.
There’s no credible proof to support your claims that the Turks are shooting protesters like the baby rapers. And the whole story is based on a SOHR story which is British, not Turkish.
version 2 Anybody that’s ever read any of my comments already knows I continually condemn SF for quoting SOHR articles, what makes you think I’m using that little turds info to make my assertion, I read many Kurdish sources of news, both pro and anti Assad, that’s where my info came from, not the SOHR, LOL, what a stupid assumption.
You’ve dodged the question many times. Provide proof to support your contention.
Here’s one with zero proof of any shootings or scores of injured protesters. With news crews on the scene if it actually happened the Kurds would have this all over the msm just like when the female politician’s suv was shot up. Because it’s almost certainly made up propaganda.
“Clashes occurred between the protesters and Turkish soldiers led to the shooting dead of two of the protesters, scores more were injured.”
– Video shows Kurdish protest against Turkish Army placing walls on Syrian border –
https://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/020920162
version 2. I trust hardly any international organizations at all, but one I do trust is Amnesty International, and this is what they have to say about the killing of Hevrin Khalaf, MORON,
“Amnesty International also corroborated witness testimony, verified video footage and reviewed a medical report to shed light on how Hevrin Khalaf, a Kurdish female politician and Secretary General of the Future Syria political party, was ambushed on 12 October on the international highway linking Raqqa to Qamishli. She was dragged out of her car, beaten and shot dead in cold blood by fighters from Ahrar al-Sharqiya. They also summarily killed her bodyguard.
On the same day and location Ahrar al-Sharqiya fighters also captured and then killed at least two Kurdish fighters. They also abducted two civilian men, both of whom work with a local medical organization and were transporting medicine at the time they were captured. Family members confirmed to Amnesty International that their whereabouts remained unknown. Amnesty International verified the time and date of the videos showing that the summary killings and abduction of the two civilians carried out on the afternoon on 12 October”.
https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amnesty.org%2Fen%2Flatest%2Fnews%2F2019%2F10%2Fsyria-damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-and-other-violations-by-turkish-forces-and-their-allies%2F%3A_PviOtCRP1yoKotKwosD7V5ewFU&cuid=3606370
You either believe the Turks or you believe Amnesty International. As to believing the Kurds reports 2 people were killed while protesting or believing the Turkish version that none were killed, LOL who do you think I’d believe, not the mob you do that’s for sure, LOL.
Spamming the thread with info trying to change the subject just proves that you have no proof.
Then quote the Astana agreement that proves that the Turks claimed to have brought the terrorists into full compliance with the DMZ agreement. I’m not familiar with the Turks claiming that they implemented all of the DMZ zone conditions involving the removal of terrorists.
WTF are you talking about moron, are you trying to totally misquote me, where in my comment did I say the “Turks claimed to have brought the terrorists into full compliance with the DMZ agreement”, I didn’t say anything at all even similar to that, off you go again totally misreading a few simple words as you usually do, or are you just trying to misrepresent me, which would be silly since my comments are up there for anyone to check. Learn to read RichardD. I said the first 11 Astana agreements were all designed to bring the terrorists in line, and also said that’s exactly what Erdogan promised to do by making those agreements with Putin, but in your BS comment you said this, “The difference is that the Turks never claimed that they were able to bring the terrorists into compliance”, And as I’ve already said, the first 11 Astana agreements will prove you’re lying, Erdogan did promise to, “bring the terrorists into compliance”.
Lying moron.
“The difference is that the Turks never claimed that they were able to bring the terrorists into compliance”,
But the first 11 Astana agreements prove you’re lying moron, why don’t you read what they actually say.
version 3 Everyone but you already knows what the Astana agreements promised to do, SouthFront itself has a hundred articles concerning the arrangements in some detail, why don’t you check SF archives if you’ve forgotten.
Exactly how does any of that prove that I’m lying? –
Are you having trouble with your narcotics habit today? You claimed that the Astana agreements prove that I’m lying. Quote the Astana agreements that prove that I’m lying. You can’t, which is why you dodged the challenge. You’re the liar liar.
version 2 Everyone but you already knows what the Astana agreements promised to do, SouthFront itself has a hundred articles concerning the arrangements in some detail, why don’t you check SF archives if you’ve forgotten.
Exactly how does any of that prove that I’m lying? —
You’re wasting my time and the site’s thread space with your lies, false accusations and insanity.
It looks like you’re getting senile, probably aggravated by your narcotics habit. Which may be why you lie and make false accusations constantly and may be having trouble thinking straight.
version 1 Everyone but you already knows what the Astana agreements promised to do, SouthFront itself has a hundred articles concerning the arrangements in some detail, why don’t you check SF archives if you’ve forgotten.
Exactly how does any of that prove that I’m lying?
Many of the non Kurds in the SDF are forced to join against their will. Given a free choice they wouldn’t be part of it. The Kurds are the majority in only 10% of the land that the SDF controls. But even with forcing non Kurds to join still make up the majority of the SDF from the numbers that I’ve seen. It’s pretty obvious who controls the SDF. And it’s not non Kurds.
As usual, you haven’t disproven anything that I’ve written.
“The difference is that the Turks never claimed that they were able to bring the terrorists into compliance”.
You call me a liar. There are 13 Astana agreements in all, the first 11 of those agreements between Putin and Erdogan will prove you just lied. All 11 of the first agreements said the Turks could and would bring the terrorists into line, but not one of them did. But the 13th one did. And even though they were still designated to be terrorist as they were in the 12th one, HTS and Al Nusra actually abided by the 13th Astana brokered ceasefire, even though they weren’t actually included in the ceasefire agreement. So the first 11 Astana agreements had the Tuks saying they’d control the terrorists but they didn’t, the 12th one designated them to be acknowledged terrorist in compliance to Russian demands [but still failed to do anything to curb their activities], and the last one did curb their activities even though it was actually supposed to allow the SAA to eradicate them fully, which coincidentally they were in the very process of doing just before this last ceasefire was introduced. Try and tell me how this isn’t a lie RichardD,
“The difference is that the Turks never claimed that they were able to bring the terrorists into compliance”,
The first 11 Astana agreements say the opposite, who’s lying RichardD, Putin and Erdogan, or you?
“There are 13 Astana agreements in all, the first 11 of those agreements between Putin and Erdogan will prove you just lied.”
Really? Quote the agreements with links and explain how they disprove anything that I’ve written.
I’m expecting a dodge to this challenge because you’re a pathological liar and false accuser. Prove me wrong mental midget. You can’t.
Erdogan did indeed promise to bring the terrorists into compliance, since he actually said he’d attack them himself if they didn’t comply but then didn’t. Lets see what the de-escalation zone according to Astana was supposed to do, No Terrorists to operate in the de-escalation zone, No attacks by the moderate opposition against SAA, Russia, or civilians, No heavy weapons at all in the de-escalation zone, No hindrance of humanitarian aid or movement of civilians, Southfront has a hundred articles telling you what the Turks promised to do, look them up yourself troll, and SF also tells us Erdogan broke his commitments every single time. Erdogan refuse to designate HTS as a terrorist organization until the 11th astana agreement, up until them he had them listed as moderate opposition, F off you troll.
A dodge with no quotes that only proves that you can’t back up your false accusations because you’re a liar.
This is what I wrote, you’ve disproved none of it:
“The difference is that the Turks never claimed that they were able to bring the terrorists into compliance. Which looks bad for the Russians who’re claiming that they have brought the terrorists into compliance.”
All that you’ve done is spam the thread with massive quantities of material that doesn’t disprove anything that I’ve written.
You’ve sent me 26 messages in 2 days, most of them today, you’re not just a paid for troll, you’re a spammer.
You’re making a fool out of yourself with your lies and false accusations constantly losing debates because you can’t prove your points because you’re lying.
I think you’re insane, 26 posts to me in just one day, and even more that you sent to other people on the same day too, WTF. You live in an institution and have lots of spare time to troll people, that would explain what’s going on, hopefully the nurses wake up to what you’re doing and take that computer or phone away from you.
You’re a pathological liar making a fool out of yourself with your blatant habitual lies and false accusations. If you want to provide more proof of that just keep typing.
RicardD, have you turned into a Turk SNA (shithead) supporter to take over Syrian territory? Your use of the term terrorist is bullshit. :) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13a2a669997878cbca9df9d1508baafc9382cc62c7bba04c23ef7f1984183643.png
Really, and the Kurds aren’t terrorists?
You sound just like a two faced hasbara troll shilling for the Zionist Kurds implementing the Yinon plan.
Well, you sounded like you where supporting Turkey and their NSA trash in your post. Hatred of Kurds only goes so far, but I know it is very popular on this site. Consider the bigger priority for SAA and Syrian territory.
You haven’t disproven anything that I’ve written. You obviously have a problem with the truth when it doesn’t support the Zionist Kurd traitors that you’re shilling for.
Cat’s Eye nebula: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3daff0241a3a7cde5ffe7160f770c1adf8da0550375ac47cdee6ec333d592710.jpg
You’re a headcase.
Did you know that our solar system is located in the Orion spur of our galaxy. It has millions of young stars, but mostly are red dwarfs. You talk about ET all the time, I just figured you should know the local neighborhood :)
You’re reply wasn’t to a post about ETs, it was to a post about the Zionist Kurds that you’re shilling for.
Woops, I will catch up to your ET wilderness search on the newer thread. :)
You’re the one shilling for the Zionist Kurds stealing Syria’s oil, violating the MOU and implementing the Yinon plan forever war for the Jews, not me.
ALL BS. 1 Kurdish woman was killed and 8 others injured when the Turks opened fire on the protesters, opened fire on people just throwing stones, and Erdogan calls the Israelis murderers when they shoot the Palestinians who do the same thing, LOL :[. And to date there have been 30 or more SAA soldiers killed by the Turks or their proxies, were the SAA throwing stones at the Turks too :[. The article says the ceasefire is “very shaky” LOL, I’d say the ceasefire is unworkable full stop. :].
If they throw and stond they are stupid y. p. g… pkk terrorist group they will have no prop with Turkish army.. but they supporting terrorism. They have to bear the consequences
put these idiots down
Seems these joint patrols are a bit counter productive. When the locals see Turkish vehicles near or in their village, they just want to pelt the hell out of them to express anger at the Turkish limited invasion, which may have killed and injured friends or family. Can you really blame them? If the patrol was Russian only, instead the locals would be offering fruit, not throwing it.
yes it should be joint russia/SAA patrols
Russian and Turkish soldiers should end their miserable lifes.
turkey and syria need to get together and end the sdf movement and all other kurdish groups as well as quickly as possible so that the american oilfield dreams turn to dust.
Whores