Gerard Julien, Pool via AP
Russia supports the Syrian Army’s efforts against terrorists in Idlib province, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on August 19 at a joint news conference ahead of talks with his French counterpart, Emanuel Macron.
The Russian president said that before the establishment of a demilitarized zone in Idlib terrorists had controlled 50% of its territory whereas now 90% of Idlib’s territory was controlled by terrorists.
“We see them staging attacks from there. Moreover, and it is very dangerous, we see militants moving from this region to other parts of the world, and it is an extremely dangerous thing,” Putin said, recalling numerous militants’ attempts to attack the Russian airbase at Hmeymim staged from the Idlib zone.
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Putin emphasized that the Idlib zone had never been meant as a safe place for terrorists.
“On the contrary, we have been saying that fight against terrorists will be continued,” he said.
OHH THEY ARE WINNING??? I DID THAT!!!!! I WON!!!
Damn m8 did you get raped by puin or smth? XD your levels of autism are almost as meme as the “toronto” guy XD
-Good morning, Mr President, we have good news: our allies, Syrians made serious advance!
-Really, we won? We are the best. Wait ! No… I am the best!
Is that all you got? Lol
No, actually that is all YOU got since you copy-paste your own comment.
Edit: And typing ‘Lol’ at the end at your own comment? Is there anything more faggish than loling your own comments?
Is that all you got? ?
Damn, that emoticon replacing ‘LOL’ is not gay at all
Lol
Gay Russian is gay
You are the Parasitic-Antisemitic-Khazarian-Supremacist-Bolshevik-AshkeZioNazi GAY PAEDOPHILE in here…ISISRAHELL WILL BURN JUST LIKE IDLIBISTAN…YOU ARE NOTHING…a Dead Parasite Crawlin’
Why are you so contrary and support jihadis in Idlib? Are you a headchopper or an Israeli who just likes to be anti-Assad because it weakens Syria.
I have seen you behave so childishly here. Comeon ,grow up man and see the light.
All I know is that Syria launched offensive around 4 months ago, the next day they made a notable gain, Russia is there with declarations of support.
Maybe, lol.
Yes actually., your dodging question and your dishonesty is something we could call faggish, if that bothers you.
To me your a cowardly peice of shit, matter of fact im putting sewer pipes in now, im prerty sure i seen you floating down the main line!
He is only upset as now Epstein is gone, his supply of little girls had dried up. Occupy Bacon is now in desperate need of another Khazar miracle where goyim children from poor backgrounds are forced to play with him.
ok i was not that serious about the autism thing but i am starting to think you really do have it.
He wish he was.
So hows the MAGA thing going?
Have you won that “easy to win” trade war with China?
Has iran capitulated to Israel at the very thought of facing the ‘AWESOME’ US navy in the Persian gulf?
Is Venezuela now owned by Exxon?
Is the Crimea back in the loving arms of the Ukraine?
Is the Russian economy crushed by US sanctions and the Russian people in revolt against their government?
Is Assad gone?
You Americans must be so fucking sick of winning …. just print another couple of trillion dollars on the backs of US taxpayers grandchildren and all these little projects will be pushed into the win column.
God you wrote powerfully!
Sounds like porn plot
I never wanted Assad gone and I’m not American, I know you would want to feel important to have an American to talk with but I’m from a shithole just like yours.
Not American …. then what are you? Brit? canuck? Aussie?
Sorry to hear you live in a shithole …. I don’t.
You just got Raped Bitch…does your arse hurt?
Yeah sure whatever you like I just want to live in your head.
Bwahahaha a Dead Parasite Crawlin’ Tryin’ some MK-Ultra PsyOps on me…WTF?! You are one pathetic Joke…just like the rest of your Sabbatean-Pineal-Gland-Sucking-Parasitic-Antisemitic-Khazarian-Supremacist-Bolshevik-AshkeZioNazi-Paedophile-Family
-Mr Prez, the world says Syrians beats the jihadis on the grownd! -Tell Russia Today we intercepted some Turkish planes and helped them with that. The rest of our junk sites will regurgitate that and our bots will cheer us. -Mr Prez, you are a pure Genius!
-Prez Putler, have you send any troops in Syria? -No, we have them all in Don..oops in vacation. -Do you know that Assad is winning? -Woops, yes we are in Syria and it was MY decision to send them there!
You must be VEEEEEEERY pissed off about recent situation in Idlib province. I am VEEEEEEERY glad you are VEEEEEEERY pissed off!
I can’t be more pissed of than now, I’m verrry pissed off
How does it feel to be a Loser? You Parasitic-Antisemitic-Khazarian-Supremacist-Bolshevik-AshkeZioNazi -Paedophile…
it’s a slow process to get rid of the various factions operating in Syria but it will happen and that means the unhinged states of A will be kicked out and turkey will be back in turkey and the kurds resume their position as borderland tenants. so don’t lose faith, it will be done and then it will be possible to plan and execute the next step – evict the nefarious thieving and murdering squatters from the land that is not theirs to occupy – palestine. and that will be the day for celebration – the squatters on the run. whereto – that’s not a problem if the unhinged states of A issues green cards for the lot and offer a new sanctuary in say the sonora desert in the south west. added to that batch of thieving and murdering criminals should be the fifth columns embedded in various societies and which have supported the criminals on occupied palestinian land with pecuniary subsidies so that the ethnical cleansing program the squatters have implemented in palestine against the palestinians is kept running.
The Sonora desert is much too beautiful to waste on squatters like them, recommend a ‘slammer’ in Iceland.
Swndthem to Askenaz khazar territory Eastern borders of what is now Turkey.
nah, the main supporter of the squatters is the unhinged states of A so they should assume the burden, no one else.
poor icelanders, having to receive a bunch of thieving and murderous squatters. no not possible. the world will have to sacrifice something and since the squatters are sort of desert lovers the sonora could fit the bill unless you can find a better alternative in the unhinged states of A, of course.
They are the “unhingers.” The U.S. has been theirs for at least two centuries. Are you unaware that the U.S. was the very first modern nation to give them full citizenship, which amounts to handing your country over to them?
The world will never be peaceful with the likes of you. Evil incarnate Satan
on the contrary – as long as the squatters are around there will be no peace for the world and that is why the better part of humanity would like to see them kicked off the stolen land for good so that the world won’t have to be continuously reminded of the evil and thieving and murderous band of criminals spoiling the world!
Regardless? The israel situation is untenable in the long term.
Quite honestly i want israel.gone too, they did not sign on to the chemical weapons convention, nor the nuclear NPT.
This is a distaster waiting to happen, Israel must be reigned in before they kills us all!
If you want to do that you MUST get rid of the Rothschild cabal and its city of London, which is the headquarters of all these satanic/talmudic/kabballah places in the whole world and the owner of them all including Israhell and the U.S. Fighting SYMPTOMS will never win you anything but grief. If you truly want to win this war you MUST fight the CAUSE, not the SYMPTOMS of the CAUSE spread all over the world. Those are just AGENTS; if one goes down there will always be another brought up. Just as for centuries Britain was their knee capper, the U.S. being pushed into that job after Britain was sucked dry by the tribe. Now the U.S. is reaching that end so soon another will be designated UNLESS YOU GO TO THE SOURCE, THE CAUSE OF ALL THAT SORT OF EVIL, AND DESTROY IT.
Agree with 99.9999% of the above except that the baby raping, teen murdering, thieves are squatters by force of arms and when cast from Palestine they will be given Hawaii or Southern California once Homeland Security have removed all indigenous and/or settled communities from those designated reception areas……
could very well happen since both parties are much for genocides and wouldn’t hesitate to do just that – kick the indigenous people all the way to kingdom come to please the squatters and provide them with a pleasant habitat.
They already have the whole U.S. Actually the whole “west” and a huge part of the “east.” Their ages-old attempt at world conquest is almost complete. But there is doubt that they can accomplish it as it becomes easier and easier for the rest of the world to see what they are up to. People don’t like being taken for suckers, once they catch on to the plot. It’s what is called “antisemitism” in hopes that they can stop it by criminalizing self-defense with a nasty sounding word.
11.2 Million Khazarian AshkeNazi Converts are NO Semites….on a Total Jewish population of 14.5 Million…75% of them Jews is Non-Semitic…unlike the Semitic Palestinians…
State actors are arming, directing, providing political support, and paying the terrorists through intel fronts. It’s a blatant violation of ICC statutes against this type of thing. There wouldn’t be a Syria war without it. There should be an investigation. When the blood sucking Jew baby rapers say jump, the Gulf toads say how high.
Here’s a couple of leads:
– Arab States Spent 130 Billion Dollars to Destroy Syria, Libya, Yemen: Algerian PM –
https://www.globalresearch.ca/arab-states-spent-130-billion-dollars-to-destroy-syria-libya-yemen-algerian-pm/5618017
“The United States spent at least $12 billion in Syria-related military and civilian expenses in the four years from 2014 through 2017, according to the former U.S. ambassador to the country.
This $12 billion is in addition to the billions more spent to pursue regime change in Syria in the previous three years, after war broke out in 2011.
This striking figure provides a further glimpse of the exorbitant sums of money the U.S. spent trying to topple the government in Damascus.”
– US Ambassador Confirms Billions Spent On Regime Change in Syria –
https://therealnews.com/columns/us-ambassador-confirms-billions-spent-on-regime-change-in-syria-debunking-obama-did-nothing-myth
No Russophobic comments this time ?
What are you talking about?
You : “Is Avia Pro a lying Russian Jew site?”
Well is it?
Good Question…..Let’s see if he answers it….
I don’t know, but your intentions were clear. Like your hairy clown boyfriend here, when you want to discredit something you attach the magic word “Jew.”
I personally prefer: Parasitic-Antisemitic-Khazarian-Supremacist-Bolshevik-AshkeZioNazi-Paedophiles
There’s nothing magic about it. Vermin Jew are still a big problem in Russia even after they got rid of 95% of them. Their reputation as human scum is well deserved. More so in Russia than anyplace else. I assume that you’re familiar with it.
They did genocide 20 million Russians last century and if the Russians cremate 6 million Israeli Jews getting that problem resolved. The Jews will still have killed a lot more Russians.
That’s more like 80 million as an honest count.
This is chimp change compared to the U.S. taxpayer’s money the criminal U.S./Israeli/Rothschild cabal government of the Americans dumps constantly into Israhell. And that doesn’t include all the U.S. weaponry dumped into both Israhell and Saudi. It is a main reason the U.S. has been in a 30 year depression.
The US and the planet need to be dejudified. The mismanagement and theft of the US government by vampire Jews is obscene.
What Putin said, that is absolutely true without any doubt.
Partners in crime. https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2019/07/D_xrt0PX4AUqonm-1024×640.jpg
You naughty boy, Kerdogan is not gone be happy, you dare to oppose him. He will crush you and threat you, eventual his mistress will spank you.
No President Putin, you haven’t been saying that all along, you’ve been saying Astana agreement, reconciliation, resolution 2254, new constitution, it’s people like Lavrov and Dimitri and your top military commanders that have been saying the rebels must be eliminated completely, the exact opposite of what you’ve been saying. But Putin hasn’t been saying much of anything for the last 3 months, so I suspect he’s had a bit of a mutiny in his government and military, because when everyone who’s anybody is contradicting the main honcho’s rhetoric, you know the main honcho’s in trouble. I’ve been predicting the Russian government and military are in the process of distancing themselves from Putin’s favoured approach to containing/appeasing Erdogan, this may be the first tangible sign all’s not so rosy in the Russian government, at least not for Putin. Even if I’m wrong about a the rest of the Russian government and military opposing Putin’s favoured strategy of appeasement, it’s becoming obvious the strategy itself has been a failure all along, and worse still Putin’e persisted with it despite the fact it actually put Russian servicemens lives at risk, and that’s definitely got to hurt Putin’s credibility with the rest of his government no end.
I doubt Putin has a strategy to appease Turkey. On contrary. Russia is making Turkey dependent on it, not only economically but lately military as well. It cracks the trust between the main NATO first armies (US and Turkey). Putin gave Erdo a hope he can manage by himself and now Erdo is barking at his US master. Putin keeps Erdo the dog in a leash from the moment when he saved him from the American organized ccoup d’etat. Never believe Putin forgot and forgive Erdo for the downing of their plane and murder of their pilot. But Putin plays chess and some moves, which seems mistakes at first glance, hide a mortal danger. We are living the times when Turkey will be no more.
Well we will see . So far Us has greenlit Turkey stealing a zone of borderland in Trans-Euphratian Syria. This seems like the IS su king uo Turkey’s arse to me.
When can I hope the Russians never forgive the Turks and start shooting them as well?
When? God knows. But watch the conflict between Turkey and Greece over maritime border, I believe that will spark the flame.
Seems after the last Greek gov. has fucked up their relations with Russia, and invited the US to much deeper cooperation, the Greeks can not rely on Russia this time. Plus Russia is involved economicly in on the Turkish side in the exploration of oil and gas, so Russia has much more incentives to stay on Erdogan side this time. Excluding some major conflict between Russia and Turkey ofc. ;)
I believe Turkey’s attitude poses a security threat to Russia, which outcomes the possible economic benefits. Russia does not make a humanitarian mission in Syria and Iran, it protects his own security. US plan was to destroy Syria and Iran to open the gates of islamic radicals to islamic republics (ex soviet) bordering Russian Federation. Russia itself has a 10% muslim minority. If they have to deal an internal continuous terrorist threat, then they cannot pose any threat to US and even more, they need to come in unconditional peace with US. Meaning to become US’s vassals. Until now, Russia rejected this danger, but the war is still on-going. In this geopolitical game, Turkey dreams at the Otoman empire and fuels unrest in islamic ex-soviet republics, along with US. There is a lot of frustration in turks, even Crimea gives them pain (was under Otoman occupation for a while). I see turks as a mad dog, who circles around, apparently harmless but waiting for the moment to bite. If things get hot, Russia will be forced to take action. And setting things on fire is turks first nature.
You’re right, Putin’s made Erdogan very dependant on Putin’s trade and industrial cooperation, he actually saved the Turkish economy from imminent collapse as far as I’m concerned, if he hadn’t intervened the US sanctions would have done their job already. But you can’t really chain a rabid dog, the only real option is to put it out of its misery, and then get a new dog, that’s what the US, EU, Israelis, and the Arab league have been trying to do, but Putin kept feeding this mangy old rabies infested mongrel in the hope he could find a cure for him. But I think now his fellow government ministers and military commanders have had enough, I think they’re finally saying, “stop being stupid about this dog, just shoot it and go get another one, you can’t cure it and we’re sick of having to walk around it everytime we want to go somewhere, so just shoot it now or we’ll shoot it for you”, that’s what’s really happened as far as I’m concerned, nothing else at all explains the last 3 months of Russian comments to the media concerning Syria and the rebels.
Better keep a rabid dog in your leash than deal with a healthy one who barks on you….
You can train a new dog to do anything but you can’t train a rabid dog to do anything, except bite you.
Non your seeing this backwards dude.
This was a russian trick to get the terrorists to come out of their holes, to seperate al nusra from the rest abd put pressure on SDF at the same time.
Its pretty clever plan, take a step back and look at what was done.
I say well done SAA and allies!
Here’s part of another comment I made to someone else to help explain what I believe,
Putin can get Erdogan to choose, if Putin wanted to he could pull the pin out from under Erdogan and collapse his economy, it was Putin’s cooperation that saved the Turkish economy from collapse just a few years ago, without Putin’s help Turkey would already be in deep financial trouble due to US sanctions. So don’t underestimate how much sway Putin has over Erdogan, he has plenty, and his government knows he has, that’s why they keep saying, “all terrorist elements and foreign troops must leave Syria”, they don’t keep saying “Astana agreement, reconciliation, resolution 2254, new constitution”, they’re actually telling Erdogan what is and what isn’t going to happen despite their leader saying the opposite, how do you explain that sort of behaviour, I call it a mutiny, rebelion, a call for a new direction or leader, that’s what I call it. Give me one example of a leader of a nation saying one thing and all the other members of the government and military saying the exact opposite, it doesn’t happen unless there’s a conflict of opinion and interests, that’s what we’re seeing unfold, and as I’ve said before, why is Putin so quiet all of a sudden, 3 months and this is his first public statement concerning Syria, which is now reaffirming what his ministers and generals have been saying all along, but not what he has been saying for the last 12 months, he’s changed his rhetoric now, now he’s in line with all his underlings and saying what they say, please explain to me why if it isn’t as I say, a minor rebellion against Putin.
” please explain to me why if it isn’t as I say, a minor rebellion against Putin.”
You offer people choices as the leader of a country.
It’s best for the president not to be beligerant because that is the job of the military. A president should be a statesman and not a buffoon ala UK, FR, US OZ.
Case in point D.T. wanting to do a full naval blockade VE. He loses all negotiating power with this statement. His military is totally against it. D.T. is now in an unnegotiable position. It’s the same type of foreign policy that the brits and the ozzies are pursuing. You are losing the plot. A bit backwards isn’t it?
“You offer people choices as the leader of a country”
Only during elections, after that you take advice from your ministers, military commanders, bureaucrats, and spies, and just about all of them have been ignored by Putin, until now.
“It’s best for the president not to be beligerant because that is the job of the military. A president should be a statesman and not a buffoon ala UK, FR, US OZ”.
And it’s got Putin years of endless war, I remember when the conflict in Syria first started, the Russian generals were advising Putin that they should send in Russian troops to help squash the uprising before it could even take hold, that was 5 years before they actually got involved, and when they finally did get involved the same generals told Putin to immediately put Russian boots on the ground to help Assad, and he ignored them again, then Isis took over nearly half the country and the US and Turkey also invaded. I think he should have listened to them both times. Some people respond to diplomacy that’s for sure, but bullies don’t, we all know that, and the Russian generals know that too, but Putin’s diplomatic overtures have been nothing but a sign of weakness that’s just encouraged those bullies to start circling closer and closer. leaders also have to be strong and resolute, just like the Russian generals were when they suggested contesting the US and Israels meddling in Syria, they weren’t afraid of standing up to the bullies and they still aren’t, lucky for Syria. But it’s no thanks to Putin they are, it’s the Russians like Lavrov we have to thank for that, he’s looking and sounding more like a Russian president than Putin is lately, he actually sounds angry when he talks about the rebels and their Turkish supporters, not diplomatic at all. Trump was talked out of blockading/invading Venezuela by Putin the diplomat, and the offers on the table would have been Erdogan and the Kurds.
come back again when you grow up.
You haven’t grown up yet because only adults have conversations, nasty little transgender children like you only abuse people, and that’s what you do.
“…Even if I’m wrong about a the rest of the Russian government and military opposing Putin’s favoured strategy of appeasement, it’s becoming obvious the strategy itself has been a failure all along, and worse still Putin’e persisted with it despite the fact it actually put Russian servicemens lives at risk, and that’s definitely got to hurt Putin’s credibility with the rest of his government no end…”
Appeasement? Failed strategy? You understand that Turkey is a full member of NATO and has something like 50 U.S. B61-12 nuclear bombs in a basement in Incirlik, right? And Putin just sold them the S-400, which cannot be used to hit Russian military aircraft (IFF), but can be used to take out NATO aircraft. And about the only thing preventing the US from turning Israel into the ‘New European Oil/gas Hub of the Mediterranean’ is Turkey’s ambition to do the same. Russia sells a lot of oil and gas, and they would rather run a pipeline through Turkey than through Israel.
In the long run, less Russian servicemen and citizens will be ‘at risk’ if Russia gets along with their crazy Turkish neighbors rather than antagonizing them and demanding obedience. Bullying Turkey doesn’t work – look how successful that has been for the U.S. and NATO so far.
Well for a start Turkey can only become the transit hub to the EU if the oil producing nations next to them want them too, Syria is the next best option for a transit hub, they’ve already had plans for many years to pipe it under the sea to Greece, so Syria is also potentially a transit hub too. And more importantly countries like France Germany and Britain are already blackmailed continuously by Erdogan, so do you really think he won’t hold them to ransom when and if he’s put in charge of the EU’s oil and gas distribution hub, prices and politics will never be the same again, and lot’s of Europeans will be very cold quite often and pay higher prices for fuel too, not a stable scenario for Europe at all. You’re right, “In the long run, less Russian servicemen and citizens will be ‘at risk’ if Russia gets along with their crazy Turkish neighbors rather than antagonizing them and demanding obedience”, but that will be impossible with Erdogan in charge, totally impossible, and since it’s looking like Erdogan’s party will lose government during the next Turkish general election, anyone backing Erdogan will be backing a losing horse anyway. Once Erdogan is gone the US will lift all sanctions against Turkey and the Turks will prosper like never before, but until Erdogan is gone Turkey will never be allowed to prosper, Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Arab League, the EU countries along with the US want and need Erdogan gone, so if Putin keeps on backing Erdogan he’s putting himself at odds with all those other nations, not a wise geopolitical strategy. And do you think for one second Putin hasn’t realized that Erdogan has been the most unreliable partner that NATO, the US, the EU, and Israel, has ever had, 10 years ago before Erdogan came to power all those nations and NATO had good working relationships with Turkey, but the last decade has seen all those relationships disintegrate to a point of dissolution, and the common denominator is always Erdogan and the Muslim Brotherhood. And has Erdogan kept even just one of his agreements with Putin, no he hasn’t, he’s either reneged, arbitrarily changed, or ignored them altogether, what a great future partner he’ll make for Putin, unreliable, unreasonable, self serving to the point of absurdity, and also possibly mentally unstable, the lies he tells to his own people are extraordinary, the mark of a truly disturbed individual. What works to get rid of Erdogan and bring about a new more moderate Turkish government is more of the same thing the US, Israel, the EU, and the Arab league are doing, sanctions and political isolation, they’re proactive about a change in Turkish leadership and it’s working. The popularity rate for Erdogan and his party have come down from 60% popularity rating to about a 50% popularity rating, but interestingly the 50% who don’t like Erdogan, actually hate him with a vengeance, he locked up and tortured 10,000 Turks after the coup attempt. I think the Russian government and Russia’s top ranking military commanders have told Putin to shut the F–K up about Erdogan, I don’t think they want Erdogan to remain in power either anymore, I think they’re actually realizing the US response to Erdogan is the best response, just get rid of him and start again, the next Turkish leader will be much more moderate and willing to compromise, no matter who it turns out to be, the Turkish voters won’t vote in any more hardlines after this, it’ll be generations before Turkey votes in another hardliner like Erdogan. Putin can get Erdogan to choose, if Putin wanted to he could pull the pin out from under Erdogan and collapse his economy, it was Putin’s cooperation that saved the Turkish economy from collapse just a few years ago, without Putin’s help Turkey would already be in deep financial trouble due to US sanctions. So don’t underestimate how much sway Putin has over Erdogan, he has plenty, and his government knows he has, that’s why they keep saying, “all terrorist elements and foreign troops must leave Syria”, they don’t keep saying “Astana agreement, reconciliation, resolution 2254, new constitution”, they’re actually telling Erdogan what is and what isn’t going to happen despite their leader saying the opposite, how do you explain that sort of behaviour, I call it a mutiny, rebelion, a call for a new direction or leader, that’s what I call it. Give me one example of a leader of a nation saying one thing and all the other members of the government and military saying the exact opposite, it doesn’t happen unless there’s a conflict of opinion and interests, that’s what we’re seeing unfold, and as I’ve said before, why is Putin so quiet all of a sudden, 3 months and this is his first public statement concerning Syria, which is now reaffirming what his ministers and generals have been saying all along, but not what he has been saying for the last 12 months, he’s changed his rhetoric now, now he’s in line with all his underlings and saying what they say, please explain to me why if it isn’t as I say, a minor rebellion against Putin.
Well said.
Mostly opiniated, self, serving, self aggrandizing BS. “i’ve been predicting…” “Even if i’m wrong…” “so i suspect” really full of yourself, aren’t you?
Mostly the truth. I’d really like to know how anything I said is self serving, I don’t work for the Russian opposition or the Syrian government, I live in Australia and do manual labour for a living, self serving? Or don’t you like other people having a contrary opinion to yourself and also expressing it. It used to be customary to respond with alternate facts and details when criticizing someone else’s opinion piece, but you don’t do that, why not, have you got something to say that contradicts my narrative, please tell me if you do, because I’ve looked long and hard and not found anything at all, only stuff that reinforces my belief. So in fact you’re response to my comment was “Mostly opinionated, self, serving, self aggrandizing BS”, and you really are ” “really full of yourself, aren’t you”, if all you can do is criticize me without providing anything to disprove my assertions, not even your own opinion on the facts, just name calling. You’re obviously a LGBTQI troll, go back to your dirty smack talking celebrity freak shows if you want to just name call, this forums should be for legitimate debate, not LGBTQI trolling, you rude piece of crap.
You obviously have not been listening to what Putin has been saying for the last three months or even before that. Of course the whole field of diplomacy has escaped your notice. (Seems to be a problem with the 5 eyes, these days)
“so I suspect he’s had a bit of a mutiny in his government and military, because when everyone who’s anybody is contradicting the main honcho’s rhetoric, you know the main honcho’s in trouble.”
Based on your previously constructed “But Putin hasn’t been saying much of anything for the last 3 months” false premise you jump to another mis-conclusion.
“I’ve been predicting the Russian government and military are in the process of distancing themselves from Putin’s favoured approach to containing/appeasing Erdogan, this may be the first tangible sign all’s not so rosy in the Russian government, at least not for Putin.”
Again there is much in play here but that doesn’t seem to bother you. “I’ve been predicting” based on what? When you don’t even know what has been said over the last three months. Or are you a mindreader?
“The Russian govt. and military ares distancing themselves.” Give me some sources, dude. Not your beer soaked opinions.
The rest of your rambling is of the same quality. That’s all the time you get.
As for being a manual labourer in OZ, you have my sympathies.
Now take your personal gender problems along with your “i’ve been predicting…”, “Even if i’m wrong…”, “so i suspect” and drown them in your Fosters and try not to get kicked in the head by anymore kangaroos.
Nothings escaped me, it’s all black and white and easy to see, for the last 3 months Putin’s been muted and before that he was singing Astana, reconciliation, resolution 2254, new Syrian constitution, and except for the last 3 months, he’s been doing it for over 12 months now. No sources, just intelligent thinking required, as I said, Putin was continuously saying “Astana, reconciliation, resolution 2254, new Syrian constitution”, but every other top government official or military leader has been saying, “we will eliminate all the terrorists and remove all foreign troops”, how the f–k do you reconcile the two, you can’t you halfwit, they’re irreconcilable, that means there’s a difference of opinion, and now after 12 months of saying Astana, reconciliation, resolution 2254, new Syrian constitution, and 3 months of virtual silence, Putin’s all of a sudden saying the same thing ALL his ministers and military officials have been saying for the last 12 months, we will eliminate all the terrorists and remove all foreign troops, what the hell does that mean for you, everything’s all normal and going as planned, NO IT DOESN’T. Yes I am a mind reader, and maybe you should try it too. Try to stop listening to your LGBTQI heroes for a few months and let your brain start working again, who knows, you may even learn to think for yourself eventually. You can even try to do what I do, match all the dots to make pretty pictures out of the written words we read, that way we not only get the story we’re told, we get to see one they’re trying not to show us too.
everything is escaping you. but you are too fixed on your gender problems. watch out for the kangaroos. i’m done with you until you grow up.
Bye bye troll.
To the different opinions between military and Putins leadership circles one fact can shed some light: The downing of the Russian plane when Israel used it as cover for a raid on Syria.
The military leadership did what they never did after it: They made a suprise press conference on a Sunday, because the policians in Russia like elsewhere dont work then. There they laid out the facts, and logically blamed Israel for the death of those dead Russians. They anticipated that Putin would appease the Israelis. Putin had to go along with it, although later on the turned the narrative and appeased Bibi (We all remember Bibis moscow visit back then).
Of course, politicians and military have different resposibilitys. But i can understand the anger. And even though Israel is a crucial pillar of Putins strategy, and essential partner for him, i understand that all those political considerations look like betrying the dead compatriots that their Israeli partners got killed.
Russia is no dicatorship. Though the self professed “guided democracy” showed serious signs of trouble back then. Good for Putin that Erdogan forced his hand with making deals with the US on the safe zone. That allowed Putin to give the SAA and Russian military the greenlight on Idlib, which in turn will vent some of the anger and frustration that has accumulated since the idleb deal.
A bigger problem maybe, that after the neoliberal pension “reforms” last year, for the very first time a opposition has formed in Russia from the “patriotic” side, from the majority of people who before mostly supported Putin. Before only the so called “liberals” (meaning western regime change fanboys from the richer parts of society) were demonstrating.
Now, that has changed. And not for foreign policy, like maybe NATO MSM wants us to believe. But because people are sick they are forced upon the same neoliberal economic bullshit as people in the west.
United Russia party is now so despiced by the overall majority, that their canidates in Moscow decided to take part as “independent”, and not under the name of the ruling party.
I will add that the popularity of the party is of course in trouble for the economic policys that Putin is responsible for as head of state, but also because of the lower canidates and politicians being corrupt, arrogant and hated.
To be clear: The popularity of the Party is in no direct relation with Putins popularity. Its a complex equation, differing locally. And if the new patriotic and previously mostly loyal to Putin opposition get their demands of abandoning the neoliberal bullshit, likely all things would turn around resolve themselves.
Questions is, why doesnt he. It seems the neoliberal believers are still very powerful in Russia, and set the agenda. He seems to have not much wiggle room on the issue, even though it may be the first time his political survival could be seriously questioned. And that is pretty scarry, if one prefers a stable Russia.
So, the situation is complex. Putin is not allmighty, and sometimes others drive their policy agenda against him successfully. Be it the military bloc, the neoliberal experts that Putin chose to rely on, the patriotic citizens asking for a change in policy, or the western agents of influence.
The military has its own block of power, and is strong enough to voice their stand, and even take action on it.
It not like the simple MSM narrative: “Putin controls everything” or “Putin is weak”. Its complex. And its developing.
Typo: “The military leadership did what they never did after it” needs to be:
“The military leadership did after the event what they never did before”
LOL, people report comments as Spam when they are confused by complex truths. Sleep well sheep.
Was this comment of yours deleted,
To the different opinions between military and Putins leadership circles one fact can shed some light: The downing of the Russian plane when Israel used it as cover for a raid on Syria. The military leadership did what they never did after it: They made a suprise press conference on a Sunday, because the policians in Russia like elsewhere dont work then. There they laid out the facts, and logically blamed Israel for the death of those dead Russians. They anticipated that Putin would appease the Israelis. Putin had to go along with it, although later on the turned the narrative and appeased Bibi (We all remember Bibis moscow visit back then). Of course, politicians and military have different resposibilitys. But i can understand the anger. And even though Israel is a crucial pillar of Putins strategy, and essential partner for him, i underst and that all those political considerations look like betrying the dead compatriots that their Israeli partners got killed. Russia is no dicatorship. Though the self professed “guided democracy” showed serious signs of trouble back then. Good for Putin that Erdogan forced his hand with making deals with the US on the safe zone. That allowed Putin to give the SAA and Russian military the greenlight on Idlib, which in turn will vent some of the anger and frustration that has accumulated since the idleb deal. A bigger problem maybe, that after the neoliberal pension “reforms” last year, for the very first time a opposition has formed in Russia from the “patriotic” side, from the majority of people who before mostly supported Putin. Before only the so called “liberals” (meaning western regime change fanboys from the richer parts of society) were demonstrating. Now, that has changed. And not for foreign policy, like maybe NATO MSM wants us to believe. But because people are sick they are forced upon the same neoliberal economic bullshit as people in the west. United Russia party is now so despiced by the overall majority, that their canidates in Moscow decided to take part as “independent”, and not under the name of the ruling party. I will add that the popularity of the party is of course in trouble for the economic policys that Putin is responsible for as head of state, but also because of the lower canidates and politicians being corrupt, arrogant and hated. To be clear: The popularity of the Party is in no direct relation with Putins popularity. Its a complex equation, differing locally. And if the new patriotic and previously mostly loyal to Putin opposition get their dema nds of abandoning the neoliberal bullshit, likely all things would turn around resolve themselves. Questions is, why doesnt he. It seems the neoliberal believers are still very powerful in Russia, and set the agenda. He seems to have not much wiggle room on the issue, even though it may be the first time his political survival could be seriously questioned. And that is pretty scarry, if one prefers a stable Russia. So, the situation is complex. Putin is not allmighty, and sometimes others drive their policy agenda against him successfully. Be it the military bloc, the neoliberal experts that Putin chose to rely on, the patriotic citizens asking for a change in policy, or the western agents of influence. The military has its own block of power, and is strong enough to voice their stand, and even take action on it. It not like the simple MSM narrative: “Putin controls everything” or “Putin is weak”. Its complex. And its developing. …… Thanks for your take on Russian politics, I like your honest assessment of the domestic situation there, and your understanding of what did and must have happened concerning Putin’s turnaround is refreshing, not many people realize yet what must have happened behind the scenes to get us to where we are now, the political situation in Syria is about to go into a new phase and most people have no idea it’s happening. And by the way do you ever wonder how many trolls on SF are paid for by the Russian government, I’m guessing at least 10 to 20, so don’t be put off by the negativity, it’s mostly the paid for trolls who are the worst offenders when it comes to the abuse. So don’t let them put you off, there are many of us here that do appreciate other commentators analysis and opinions, even if we don’t always agree with them, but the trolls do their very best to scare anyone with a contrary opinion away from the forums, so don’t let them win, cheers.
Beware to have a different opinion. Some simple minded nuts like to mark comments as Spam that overwhelm their narrow minded brains. :)
To those interested in a good analyse: The always independet, mostly brilliant former Indian diplomat M. K. Bhadrakumar has a new blog on the topic online:
https://indianpunchline.com/turkey-faces-quagmire-in-syria/
For those who missed him like i did until some months ago: There are only very few sources that provide us with such deep analytical pieces that are as independent, neutral in a diplomatic sense and competent on geopolitics, especially concerning Asia and MENA.
Brilliant article and concise to the point of perfection, I can’t find anything in it to disagree with [which is rare], and the only important omission was the absence of any reference to the Turkish/PKK conflict taking place in northern Iraq, that too is an important factor that will come into play in the months ahead and should have been discussed. I’d read more of his articles if their all like this, you’re right, he is very good, and honest too, sadly not many are anymore, bias stops them being honest unfortunately.
Just on time excellent Putin decision of stopping pleasing Erdogan-Turkey (NATO member). It is time for a full ground offensive on Idlib with the strong air power support of Russia. I congratulate Putin for the position he has just taken, no more stupid Turkey-Russia agreements.
I think it was more or less Erdogan who brought this policy change of Putin upon himself. After warming up with NATO again (Safe Zone – LOL), Putin had to push back, and the millitary of Russia has always looked at the Idlib deal with pretty much equal suspicion as likely most of us here did. They only waiting for the reason to greenlight the SAA offensive.
Still: Russia is in economic war, and has set huge hopes into Turkey. Nuclear power Plants, millitary hardware (S400 prominently), pipelines.. So Putin wont openly attack or humiliate Erdogan too much, he is still one of the most valuable “partners” for Putin, as important as Israel, India and Iran.
And Erdogan may be happy with the outcome where the Idlib Jihadists will be erased. His proxy force has no future in Idlib. But he has to show his neo-Ottoman&Jihadists voters that he stands behind the “innocent people of Idlib” (read: fellow Jihadists).
So this big show with the convoy and warplanes now takes care of that: “We tried, but Russia and butcher Assad prevented us”.
Putin always tries that this partners/opponents can save face.
On the other hand, as others have suggested: Putin may make additional concessions to Erdogan in exchange for Idleb. Meaning like in Afrin, where Putin looked the other way. So when Erdogan will go for SDF (The US wont be able to satisfy Turkey with their half assed “Safe Zone”), Putin may look the other way when Kurds get attacked.
Of course only, when the Kurds still refuse to hand over their areas to Assad. But new rumors suggest that the Kurds just went to Damascus to make a deal that would allow them to hand over their occupation zones to Assad, if and when Turkey attacks.
Only thing for sure is, in these days a new phase of the war has begun. The dynamics are shifting.
If you go to Sputnik, you will see there what Lavrov told Turkey … you get in the way, you get sorted. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201908201076592098-turkey-was-notified-attacks-by-hayat-tahrir-al-sham-in-syrias-idlib-would-be-crushed/ check also what happened yesterday too … https://journal-neo.org/2019/08/20/could-the-fall-of-khan-shaykhun-begin-the-end-of-jihadi-idlib/
Thanks for the information.
My pleasure all the way– everything to help the truth getting out!!
I just don’t know what those SAA troops east of the Shaikun arr waiting for…
Putin outmaneuvered Erdogan. Turkey’s conduct in the Idlib campaign is simply ridiculous.
Mass murdering their neighbors for vermin Jews, it’s what Gulf toads do. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZVZaihVoAAxnJl.jpg
time to end this BS with erdogan, isn’t it? the Russians gave him his chance and he thought they were “weak.” seems like this turk has got a lack of intelligence quirk.
I often find it not productive, when someone uses quotations of other sources here too much, but the analysis from M. K. M. K. Bhadrakumar is revealing some pretty stunning insights and is projecting a MAJOR challange for Erdogan and his criminal game plan for Syria:
“There was always the suspicion that the endgame being played out in Idlib province in northwest Syria on the Turkish border would ultimately put to test the mettle of the Russian-Turkish axis in Syria. That is happening.
Moscow has snubbed the Turks.
Meanwhile, the deterioration of relations with the US is hitting Turkey hard. Washington is not in a mood to accommodate Turkey’s concerns and vital interests vis-a-vis the Kurdish issue.
Things have come to a point where, paradoxically, a US-Russia tacit understanding seems to exist in regard of northeast Syria.
There is a growing perception that the US and Russia are acting on an overall consensus in Syria, with Moscow having the say largely over the area on the western part of the Euphrates River, while the eastern side of the river where the Kurdish forces are present remains under US control. That is to say, the US retains its presence to the east of Euphrates, while the territories to the west of Euphrates come under Russian ‘sphere of influence.’
Conceivably, there could be a Russian-American congruence to keep Turkey out of northeastern Syria. The Iranian media reported on Monday that for the first time, Russian infantry units are being deployed in Bukamal region in Eastern Deir Ezzur province near the Iraqi border where Russia plans “to build military centres”.
On the other hand, Turkey’s partnership with Russia has become increasingly one-sided. Turkey cannot afford to antagonise Russia anymore, whereas, Russia no longer has to wear kid gloves while dealing with Ankara, although Turkey still is a NATO power.
In November 2015, when Turkey shot down a Russian Sukhoi Su-24M attack aircraft, Moscow was ultra-sensitive while reacting. But there is no apology for Monday’s air attack on the Turkish military convoy in Idlib.
The Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov asserted today that any attacks carried out by Islamist militant groups (which Turkey harbours) in the de-escalation zone in Idlib will be “forcefully suppressed”.
All in all, Russia has concluded that this is an opportune moment to clean up Idlib. Turkey’s proposal to establish a safe zone in northern Syria isn’t getting anywhere. The Turkish demand — a 30 to 40 kilometre deep safe zone stretching 430 kilometres all along the border upto Iraq — is not going to be acceptable to the US. But the US keeps Turkey engaged in talks to buy time while the US-backed Kurdish militia will retain their control of northeast Syria bordering Turkey.
In essence, Turkey risks a quagmire with two fronts — Idlib, where the Syrian offensive backed by Russia will trigger a massive refugee flow into Turkey, and a border with Syria that is dominated by well-armed, battle-hardened Kurdish groups.”
THIS IS A GAME CHANGER! Erdogan may find himself at the end of the stick till he really changes his policy on Syria. Assad may still have a chance to liberate 100% of Syria not that far off..
Just can’t but love Putin to bits!
Oh yes, they’ve been thinking that there things are stopped and stool, so they can continue theirs Wahhabi headchopping practice. Who’s crying the most Amerika, for sure.
“We received reports of numerous attacks by pro-Government forces against civilian areas, causing high numbers of casualties including of women and children,” said Commission Chair Paulo Pinheiro. ”Civilian infrastructure including numerous educational and medical facilities in the northern Hama and southern Idlib axis have been damaged or destroyed by both aerial and ground offensives, and a number of institutions have been closed down in anticipation of further attacks, leaving thousands without access to health or education.”
“While the Commission’s investigations are on-going, it is clear all parties continue to employ tactics that violate basic principles of international human rights law and international humanitarian law.”
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=24586&LangID=E
Turkey, get our of Syria and stay home…