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SouthFront publishes translation of an interview with a senior official of Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), one of the few Russian think tanks that declare their formal independence emulating their Western counterparts. In doing so, CAST regularly states that it fills orders of Russian official institutions. A number of its studies are accompanied by comments of the Defense Minister and the Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation. In that light, the following interview is of particular interest for military specialists, as well as for a wide audience.
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The recent war in Nagorno-Karabakh, its course and results are being actively discussed all over the world, including in Russia. The Azerbaijani victory over Armenia is often interpreted as the de facto victory of Turkish weaponry over the Russian one. Russia is often treated as a losing party. Are such claims true? Is the Nagorno-Karabakh war a sign for Russian defense industry? Why does not Russia have strike drones? All these question Russian outlet “Moskovsky Komsomolets” asked to Konstantin Makienko, analyst, Deputy Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
– Has Turkey increased its military presence in Azerbaijan as a result of this war?
It is quite obvious that the Turkish presence in Azerbaijan has dramatically increased following the Nagorno-Karabakh war. It is important that not only physical presence, but also Ankara’s influence has grown up. Moreover, Turkish prestige and influence will have an impact not only in the South Caucasus, but also in Central Asia and the North Caucasus, in the Volga region. It is important to understand that military presence and growing influence are not identical concepts.
The military component is only a part of overall power. Turkey has increased both its military presence and influence. At the same time, Russia has only increased its presence. However, as a result of the efficient diplomatic and military work, Russia got a trump card – the keys to Karabakh, which has actually become its protectorate and are held in Moscow now. In general, it seems that Russian diplomacy is highly effective in crises, seeking the maximum possible even under adverse circumstances. This does not negate the fact that after the USSR collapse, Russia’s influence in the post-Soviet space is gradually weakening.
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– Everyone is talking about the Turkish victory in this war…
– First of all, it was Azerbaijani victory, convincingly and indisputably. Baku won in military terms, as well as politically, diplomatically, and in informational aspects. Azerbaijani networks of influence and lobbyists worked better, including in Moscow. The famous Armenian diaspora turned out to be much less effective. However, Turkish participation was very significant or even decisive.
Apparently, the offensive was planned by the Turkish headquarters. Turkish officers provided support both at the headquarters level and directly on the battlefield. It is highly likely that Turkish advisers were present in battle formations at the battalion level and above, even at the company level.
Turkish aviation jammed Armenian radio communications. However, in general, this is a victory of Baku, which has more resources – demographic, oil, gas – and has managed to use these resources rationally.
– Russia has oil and gas resources, too. If hypothetically China would be Russia’s ally in an armed conflict, then they should possess a great power.
– Yes, but it would not be a conflict between the third world countries but a world war. I hope this is not relevant yet. Talking about the Nagorno-Karabakh war, the main conclusion for Russia lies on the surface: the maintenance and equipment of a combat-ready army provides a valuable resource that can be used at the right time to achieve important political goals. A powerful and efficient military is a categorical imperative for a modern state.
Russian S-400 air defense missile systems at Red Square in Moscow, via the AP.
– It sounds like a rebuff to Russian “democrats” who accuse the authorities of excessive militarization. Russia did not invest in the creation of attack drones, so now not only the United States, but even Israel and Turkey have overtaken Moscow. Now the Turks are selling their drones to both Azerbaijan and Ukraine.
– Yes, in technical terms, the Karabakh war demonstrated further war evolution towards the precision-guided weapon as the main mean of destruction. It has become available for mass use not only in developed countries, but also in the third world.
– Probably, because they are cheaper than traditional weapons systems?
– In fact, the use of high-precision weapons in terms of the cost-effectiveness ratio has become more economical than the mass use of unguided ammunition. In addition, modern technologies make it possible to miniaturize high-precision weapons, thereby making them even cheaper.
– Do you mean that wars with their use will become cheaper? Thus, the danger is that the cheaper war is the more people want to fight.
– This tendency can also be traced. We are entering an era of endless small military conflicts all over the world. In the future, we can face the complete die-back of unguided weapons from ground artillery-missiles to aviation, as it has de facto happened in the West.
Azerbaijani drones
– Did the war in Nagorno-Karabakh show the increased importance of armed drones?
– Of course. Unmanned aircraft are useful as another way to reduce the cost of precision weapons and to increase their proliferation.
Azerbaijan and Turkey were able to establish effective air supremacy in the area with a relatively small squad of UAVs, which carried small-sized high-precision weapons – small guided missiles and guided aerial bombs.
The use of manned combat aircraft with similar weapons would theoretically give the same effect. However, it would require much more resources and costs. Drones are not only cheaper to purchase and operate than manned combat aircraft, but they are also expendable.
– When losing a drone, the military does not lose a pilot – a specialist, whose training is very expensive.
– Sure. The loss of a drone is both politically and psychologically insensitive. At the same time, due to their smaller size and technical characteristics, drones are a more difficult target for air defense systems than manned combat aircraft.
Loitering munitions that are de facto disposable “kamikaze drones” clearly demonstrate this fact. They represent a good example of cheap and covert high-precision weapons. This explains their rapid spread.
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– UAVs also made a breakthrough in reconnaissance and target designation…
– That’s it. And this is the second important reason of their mass distribution. The possibility of a long constant presence of the reconnaissance UAV over the battlefield dramatically changed the warfare. Even at the current level of modern technologies, this makes possible to organize combat control, target designation and strike the enemy in almost real time.
But the main thing – I draw your attention to this fact – during the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, UAVs have become something more important than a means of reconnaissance, target designation and carriers of high-precision weapons. In this war, air supremacy was established with their help for the first time ever.
– So why did the Russian army, in contrast to the Turkish or Israeli, lag behind in this segment?
– The lag of the Russian Armed Forces in the implementation and development of unmanned technologies is not caused by technological reasons, but is a consequence of the wrong development priorities.
– Exactly! I remember very well how 15-20 years ago at a press conference I asked the Air Force Commander: why are we lagging behind in the development of UAVs and, in particular, in the creation of strike drones. To which he answered absolutely seriously: why do we need them? We have enough planes and pilots.
– Exactly. Such a point of view prevailed in our country for a very long time. There were defects in the Soviet prospects determining system in the techno-military sphere that were not eliminated for a long time.
– And then the army leadership was assumed by people whose activities led to the fact that we no longer had enough pilots or planes. Serdyukov stopped admission to aviation schools. There were fewer pilots, but there were no more attack drones. The General Staff were arguing: who should take UAVs command – pilots or land forces? Who needs them more? And it turned out that nobody needed them.
– Yes, the UAVs development programs were not considered to be a priority in research and development work of the Ministry of Defense. And this was a very important reason of our lagging behind. We are still reaping the fruits of that policy. There are still no centralized inter-service management bodies for such programs, including the creation of systems that are necessary for UAVs’ development (engines, optoelectronic systems, and control systems), no proper political and administrative support, and no purposeful policy to create competence centers in this area.
The UAVs creation programs are left on their own fate and to the mercy of industrial organizations, sometimes rather weak. As a result, we only have a lot of light small devices made with extensive use of imported components.
– But the use of imported components in military equipment for the Russian army is prohibited. So there is still a problem with attack drones?
– To date, there are no strike drones in Russia yet. The development of reconnaissance UAVs of a relatively high level is also a problem. For more than ten years now, design office “Luch” has been engaged in the refinement of a simple “Corsair”, which is at the sane technical level as the Israeli devices created in the 1980s. The creation of a heavy drone “Altair” in Kazan resulted in an endless dispute over the project and court cases.
Predator C Avenger unmanned aircraft system
– It’s a pity … Ten years ago, I visited Israel, one of the enterprises of the IAI concern, which above all is engaged in the UAVs production. What struck me most was that almost everyone who made these devices in Israel was from the USSR, spoke Russian well. It turns out that they were able to create the UAVs there, but not in Russia?
– In Russia, perhaps, real progress in this matter has been achieved by the “Kronstadt” (engineering company) in St. Petersburg which has finally managed to bring the mid-level device Orion to the Armed Forces this year. But you need to understand: in fact, this is an analogue of the American General Atomics Predator drone. And its serial production in the United States began in 1995, and it has been withdrawn from service a few years ago. That is, we are 20-25 years behind our American “partners” in this area.
– But now, especially after the Nagorno-Karabakh war, have we started to reduce this gap?
– In my opinion, there is no clear understanding in the domestic military-political circles that UAVs in combination with high-precision weapons offer a cheaper and more economical modern alternative of warfare. But the Americans have clearly understood this long ago. And now, after the Nagorno-Karabakh war, drawing on their experience of the Bayraktar TB2 using, the Turks have also understood this.
More insulting is that such a fairly simple reconnaissance and strike drone as the sensational Turkish Bayraktar TB2, made with widespread use of commercial imported components, could have been created in Russia ten years ago if there were the proper concentration of resources and political will.
Thus, perhaps in a typical soviet style, the drones’ demonstration in the Karabakh war will spur Russian unmanned programs. A peasant needs thunder to cross himself and wonder. There was the first thunderclap.
BS article, the Turks and Azeris fought Armenia which possessed older weapons, coupled with Pashynian treachery with self destructive consequences. If Russia would have fought Turkey and Azeri, the first thing they would have done is to attack the drone staging areas and command posts and have Suk 30 and 35 in the air to establish air superiority over NK. This is even without activating the SHORAD’s or their EW capabilities.
The article is about proxy wars not a full war between Russia and NATO – in which Russian metality is still stuck.
What “proxy war”?! N. Karabakh was not having Russian support – so logically can’t be interpreted as Russian “proxy war”. Because in any “proxy” war, Russia is suppose to be supportive of one side (in this case N Karabakh) while Russia was 100% neutral in that war. No official participation of any unit of Armenian army was declared, so no proxy war.
Your comment remembers me of the successful operation of SAA in southern Idlib, after which, Putin felt the need to declare that Russian special forces were on the ground. The second operation, not so successful, SAA losing half of gains after Turkish drone wave left Putin without any declaration, despite Russian involvement was a lot more visible. So yeah, if Armenia was successfull, Russia would parade its victory toys on international expos, but now Turkey and Israel’s toys will be the VIPs.
When it comes to judging Russia you are bigoted retard bacon. There was NOT SINGLE Russian soldier involved in war in N. Karabakh ! Soros controlled Armenia was REJECTING Russian help flatly so Russia is coming clean out of all that mess. Not participating in war, being NEUTRAL helped Russia in staying in good relations with Azerbaijan. The best proof for that is RUSSIAN PRESENCE in KARABAKH now, accepted by literally everybody !!! This article is short sighted because pushing for interests of “drone industry in Russia” so they badmouth Russian army…. Some Russan’s can act like idiots or even traitors sometime. Example: Maybe 12 years ago some Russian general has called T-90 “an old Soviet junk”- for not having composite armor. Today T-90MS is one of the most exported Russian weapons and considered on of the best tanks in the world despite being basically very upgraded T-72 design. Certainly best bang for buck on the planet.
There are american pilots that said F-35 is a piece of junk and nobody acused them of treason. You Ruskies are obsessed of finding enemies in whoever badmouth your toys or your government or watever. Very fragile and scared nation. No sense of humor, no bliss, no rest in watching for the hidden enemy under your bed.
As for Pashinyan, he begged Putin for help before turning to Macron, Trump, Biden. Russia clearly said they are ready to help IF the teritory of Armenia is attacked and invited both parts for discutions. Then Putin came with that BS story that Pashinyan didn’t accept Russians in Artzakh. Pfffft
I am not Russian. “You Ruskies are obsessed of finding enemies” There are 30 aggressor NATO countries on Russian border ! No need for Russia “finding enemies”!!
It is absurd that bigoted Ukrainian talks from pacifist pedestal – high moral ground. Preaching peace and denouncing “violent Russians”, when Russian’s till present day never attacked Ukrainians or have returned provocations in any possible manner. Even when Ukraine did their utmost to agrees , humiliate and even kill ethnic Russians, their language, religion, their lives not only in Donbass but also in the rest of the Ukraine. Do you Ukrainians ever look yourselves in the mirror? Ukrainian calling for war with Russia and lecturing peace in the same time is joke. So you Ukrainians do have “sense of humor” being total hypocrites.
F-35 is a piece of junk so calling it “junk” is nothing extraordinary
“There are 30 aggressor NATO countries on Russian border ! No need for Russia “finding enemies”!!”
Fuck yeah! Portugal, Spain, France are on Russia’s border. You’re 100% Ruskie, mate. Nothing more.
If you are retarded Ukrainian and do not see NATO army and 2 frozen conflicts-wars on Russian border, that is your problem. NATO represents almost one billion population and GDP way far above Russian. Yet Russia would kick all your cowardly arses if need be.
Yeah yeah, damn Italy and Greece at the Russian border… They invaded Crimea and Donbass
Do you know basic addition? EU is just under 500 million + US + UK + Canada + Columbia = NATO All these COWARDS (+Ukraine Neon-NAZI + Georgians that are all working in Russia in MILLIONS as parasites who dislike Russia ) You all are scared to attack Russia, so shut the f*ck up COWARDS!!! Fuck you retard !
Pashinyan is Soros puppet who hates Putin and Russia and he is LIAR. He didn’t ask Putin for help because his MASTER Soros would never permit that !
He did multiple times, articles are here. The position of Russia was very clear: only if the official Armenian teritory is attacked.
Pashinyan is LIAR because Soros would never permit to him to go nice with the Putin. So all that is statement of LIAR ! Do not waste any of my time, Ukrainian dork.
Russia responded very clear that they are ready to intervene only if war extends over the Armenian teritory. Ok, little muscal :)
Armenia is allay on the paper only.. Because Armenian population are backward and retreaded Soros slaves who support Soros anti Russian puppets in power… Russia should make agreement only with N-K population and dump Armenia altogether while staying in N-K forever.
porks remembers?
Tell me again how you got rejected by the American school because your IQ was too high :)
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INSOLENT PROBLEMATIC TARDS AND ASSUMPTIONS BY THE LIKES YOU #2 THE REASON UKRAINE IS ON THE RIGHT PATH,MISS OUT ON WEALTH!
Hey ignorus,how many times this needs to be reiterated,CIA IS DEFEATED!
Why are you obsessing with them if they are defeated?
Armenian general admitted they were send the best technology possible but it couldn’t change the tie back to them.
Alot of people even praised Israeli drones but they were downed frequently the real drones were the turkish one and the Armenia general Said they had somewhat success against TB2 but once TB2S entered they couldn’t do anything to it. The best Russian technology couldn’t do much to Turkish superiority outside of Nuclear weapons
“TB2S” and why is that???!! Because “TB2” has speed of 220 km/h and “TB2S” Mach 5…. faster even than Tor rockets?
You are either Turk propagandist or you understand jack shit on subject and talking total BULLSHIT. OK, Mark name that ” the best technology possible” for us so that we can judge by ourselves, please?
I have heard about only SINGLE-ONE TOR-M2 (which if it is true (that is M2 model is Russian produced weapon)
Enough of you bollocks TURK. Try at last not to pretend to be somebody else, because only retards doesn’t see that you are not Westerner but some Turk propagandist dork. No Nobel Prize for your imagination “Nobelman”
confused as always
Meantime russia and turkey will decide what goes to europe from the me:
Russia has NEVER being neutral in the N-K war from the get-go. Russia could not voice its support for N-K because N-K is internationally recognized as Azerbaijani territory, and again because Russia does not want to jeopardize its relations with Baku.
But when N-K and Armenia look set to lose the war, Russia intervened with this sham peace keeping. Thus, N-K has now become a Russian protectorate – a view I’ve held since and this article just confirmed it. In the near future, it is Russia that’ll be viewed as an OCCUPYING force in N-K and not Armenia. I predict serious friction between Russia and Azerbaijan in the future. N-K will likely still be liberated from Russian occupation at some point in the future, most likely through political and diplomatic means, especially if relations between Moscow and Baku deteriorate to a point of conflict, at which point, Russia will be faced with two options: Invade Azerbaijan (which has a defense treaty with Turkey) and risk a much bigger war, or find a way to leave N-K to Azerbaijan. I don’t think N-K is so important to Russia as to warrant a Russian invasion of Azerbaijan and war with Turkey. In the meantime, I think Turkey will prepare Azerbaijan for any possible future Russian invasion. Proliferating long-range precision missiles and anti-tank systems in combination with modern AA systems and drones will do well to dissuade Russia from even contemplating an invasion of Azerbaijan. Because that’s where the current Russian occupation of N-K is leading.
Beck off you Zio-jihadi scum I have nothing to say to you ! Erdogan is pig.
We blocked each other once. Then you unblocked me and replied to one of my comments. I unblocked you too just to maintain an atmosphere of friendliness. But I see you don’t seem to have learnt that it was your offensive words that led to us blocking each other. You’re still hurling insults. Can’t you counter any point you disagree with? How does your insults help anyone understand the situations better? If I block you again, I’ll never unblock you even if you reply to my comments a million times.
There are no possibility to “counter any point” since you are total LIAR and everything you present is totally distorted ! I am not going to “block you”, but to ignore you…since any communication with you is pointless. That is exactly what pace of excrement like you deserves. To be ignored. This is the last time I waste my time and talk to sympathizer of Erdogan and Sunni-Zionist-Jihad in Syria like you are.
Fine. We can ignore each other then
I will react on your comments all the same, because I see you as anti-Russian bot and propagandist of militant Islam that is aggressive towards all, non Islamic countries without exception including Islamic one like Iran, Assad’s-Syria and all Shia majority countries in general…
Please yourself what you do. As for me, I’m going to ignore you henceforth cos I won’t gain any knowledge by debating any issues with you. There are many on this forum who disagree with me, but we still debate issues and agree on common points. In fact, I’ve gain better understanding through those debates. But I can’t waste my time with people who can only reason through insults. I only replied to you because I thought you have changed from insulting people. henceforth, I won’t reply to any of your comments even if they are directed at me.
This forum would not be interesting if everyone supported the same side.
Erdogan is trying to make the Turkstream a white elephant for the Russians, buying more gas from Azeri. Russia will be in Armenia and NK for the long run, and will indirectly control the gas and oil flow west. If Erdogan wants a good spanking Russia will oblige gladly and teach the Turks a lesson they can remember for a few decades.
Do not forget that you are threatening a NATO member. Maybe Turkey will leave NATO in the future, but for now, you don’t want to attack Turkey, especially preemptively.
Wrong, NATO will not help Turkey in its regional adventures, they are already at odds with Greeks and France.
In Syria, they’ll certainly back Turkey despite their friction. Europe has an interest in seeing Assad fall. So does NATO and the U.S. You can bet your last buck that NATO wants the Syrian situation to result in conflict with Turkey and the SAA. Any war between Turkey and the SAA will disrupt Assad’s operations, allow the spread of ISIS as Russia and Assad would both concentrate on defending against and attacking Turkey. That leaves America to bomb ISIS across Syria. Only most of those bombs will be falling on Assad’s forces and his Shiite militia allies.
In case of a direct confrontation between Syria and Turkey, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah will support Syria. NATO will not support Turkey since Turkey occupies Syrian land, and is not attacked within its border, and even if they did, their response will be pathetic as shown by the two cruise missile attacks against Syria. Advantage Syria and allies.
You dont understand. The U.S and NATO would want to see Turkey weakened and Assad fall. That’s why they’ll give Turkey just enough support to cause the maximum damage it can to SAA and Russian forces in Syria should Russia attack Turkey directly in Syria or Turkish soil.
NATO does not have to support Turkey. They’ll just bomb ISIS to prevent Syria falling into the hands of Jihadist. The problem is that, ALL of NATO’s bombs will fall on the SAA instead of ISIS, maybe mistakenly.
NATO European partners packed up their bags and left. Currently ISIS doe not present a big target, it is more a flickering nuisance that will die out.
Up ye cakewhole cia,soros,cry,cry,cry,oh well eat sht,RUSSIA/C.I.S stocks up!
Silly guy, title of the article is “Russia not ready for next generation war.” NATO can be served the same dish with Iskander missiles, neutralizing air fields, drone staging areas
Iskander is not a Russian monopoly. Too many countries today have long-range precision missiles. Super powers will find it much more difficult to subdue rising powers. And that means Russia will find it increasingly difficult to defeat even countries like Ukraine.
The U.S can do more to Iran than most of you realize. Iran has being dodging this war for the fact that they know just how much damage America could cause them should Washington be sufficiently provoked. They don’t even have the gut to openly retaliate against Israel – not even once have they done this.
Iran can lay waste to ALL U.S military bases in the region. That’s because Iran has the precision missiles to attack targets in the middle east. But once you figure-in Diego Garcia, Iran becomes extremely vulnerable. The Iranians claim that they have missiles that can reach Diego Garcia. Let’s assume that claim to be true. Even if Iran has missiles that can reach Diego Garcia, those missiles WILL NOT be precision guided. No country, including Russia, China and the U.S, have produced precision missiles with a 6000+ km range. That means Iran doesn’t have them either. Which means Iran cannot pick up American targets on Diego Garcia with precision. So how can they target the airfields, the runways, control towers, aircraft hangers, etc.? They’ll be shooting blindly and many such missiles will not even hit the Diego Garcia island because it’s just too small. Most will fall in the sea.
On the other hand, America’s B-series bombers can fly all the way from Diego Garcia and drop their massive bombs on Iran. Couple that with America’s now-advanced Aerial Refueling capabilities and you discover that the U.S can more than double the range of F-series bombers, making their basing out of reach of Iran’s PRECISION missiles.
This is the main reason Iran keeps avoiding a war. it can only deal with American bases within its precision strike range. All other U.S bases are a problem for Iran.
“”” Super powers will find it much more difficult to subdue rising powers. And that means Russia will find it increasingly difficult to defeat even countries like Ukraine.”””
Ukraine does not have a meaningful ballistic missile force, Russia did not have any problems toying with Ukraine. What US calls the axis of evil are well equipped with ballistic missiles.
“”” But once you figure-in Diego Garcia, Iran becomes extremely vulnerable. The Iranians claim that they have missiles that can reach Diego Garcia. Let’s assume that claim to be true. Even if Iran has missiles that can reach Diego Garcia, those missiles WILL NOT be ”””
Diego Garcia is an airbase where you will find a handful of B52 and B2 bombers. The B2 does not carry stand-off weapons, overflying Iran would be at their own risk. The B52 can carry stand-off weapons and it would be an easy target to shoot down flying over Iranian territory. The B2 sortie rate would be limited by its high maintenance requirements, the B52 will do better.
“”” On the other hand, America’s B-series bombers can fly all the way from Diego Garcia and drop their massive bombs on Iran. Couple that with America’s now-advanced Aerial Refueling capabilities and you discover that the U.S can more than double the range of F-series bombers, ”””
As I said, B2 overflies Iran at their own risk, possibilities of being shot down by SAM or F14 fighters remain a strong possibility. The B52 overflying Iran will be shot down much easier. I do not see massive payloads dropped on Iran if they loose many aircraft. Since the arms embargo has been lifted, Iran can buy Russian and Chinese aircraft with good BVR capabilities to enhance their air capability.
Iran is not avoiding war, it is the US that chooses to use sanctions instead of direct military action. As far as Israel is concerned, the Hezbollah and Iranians in Syria have the capability to saturate their air defenses, taking care of the Iron Dome and David’s sling air defenses, allowing Iran to shoot a few salvoes of MRBMs.
Any attack on Iran by America will start by a massive salvo of cruise missiles on Iran’s port facilities from aircraft carriers stationed well beyond reach of Iran’s precision fire. Missile strikes will severely weaken Iran’s coastal defenses and hit targets inside Iran. This is why most of Iran’s offensive capabilities are buried deep in the ground. But the problem is, Anti-Aircraft systems cannot operate from under the ground. The radars must be stationed outside. Iran will not be able to stop this barrage of missile strikes.
Attacks by F-series bombers will follow the missiles strikes. These bomber will operate from aircraft and Aerial refueling tankers stationed beyond reach of Iran’s precision fire. Aerial refueling tankers cannot be based on Aircraft carriers, but due to the massive amount of fuel they carry, these tankers can operate from land bases in Europe, and then refuel planes taking off from aircraft carriers. Iran would have a VERY VERY hard time reaching these targets.
The F-series bombers will be more suited for dealing with what remains of Iran’s Anti-Aircraft capability after the missile strikes. When these bombers establish air dominance even at the cost of losing some planes, the B-Series bombers will move in with their much larger payloads. That’s when the real bombing of targets in Iran would be felt across the world.
“Iran is not avoiding war, it is the US that chooses to use sanctions instead of direct military action. ” The U.S killed Iran’s best strategist at a time Iran needs such people most. What have your people done for revenge? Who have they openly killed?
“As far as Israel is concerned, the Hezbollah and Iranians in Syria have the capability to saturate their air defenses, taking care of the Iron Dome and David’s sling air defenses, allowing Iran to shoot a few salvoes of MRBMs” Israel has killed so many of your soldiers in Syria. They have also killed many of your scientists. What have you done to them in return? Just mouthy bravado.
Iran has bitten more than it can chew, and make no mistake, it’ll one have to chew its bite.
You are dreaming, Iraq like scenario is a thing of the past. US navy does not have significant refueling capacity, the effectiveness of cruise missile strikes was proven in Syria, Diego Garcia bomber force is around 6-8 aircraft or less, and the Iranians learned a lot about EW that would disrupt “ shock and awe ) bravado.
You are obviously the dreamer not me. your comments make me feel like I’m talking to a kid. Just pray that the bombs don’t start falling on your country. Because if this results in the war that many American hawks are pushing for, then I bet you, you’d wish Iran never started this crisis.
You are a dreamer and clueless of US military ineptitude, regardless of how much war hawks want a war with Iran. My country is US silly dude, I speak from a standpoint of reality.
You are a Shiite Iranian. No Christian will take the alias “Jesus” for online commenting.
Lol, Christians follow and emulate Jesus Christ. What I speak is true.
Oh yes russia moved their land to nato borders,yes true genius that is amazing
No, they moved little greens from Baikal, in Europe.
Russian EW capabilities were deployed in their fullest in N-K. They worked for 4 days, then the Turks found a way to defeat the EW counter measures. Modern wars are hardly all-out wars. In the future, the person who has better technology will often win. The analyst clearly said modern wars are small endless conflicts. Actually, this is one of the most balanced articles I’ve read on SF and it captures reality in a way that anyone following these events would agree. Thumbs up to the author. I’ve learned a great deal from the article and have picked some valuable hints for further research.
Only.fools rely solely on technology!! What are you 12 years old?
Hi is effing LIAR not 12 years old! There were not Russian “EW capabilities deployed in their fullest in N-K” Russia didn’t participate in that war a,d N-K has only old Soviet tech
I didn’t say tech superiority will ALWAYS grant victory. I said OFTEN. Let me briefly explain: The U.S defeated Saddam Hussein, killing him and many of his comrades and ending his rule. That was due to tech superiority. The U.S drove the Taliban from power due to its tech superiority even though it has not defeated the Taliban like it did Saddam’s forces. Muhammad Gaddafi was killed due to NATO’s tech superiority. So at least, tech is a contributing factor in any war America won or inflict massive damage.
“”” Russian EW capabilities were deployed in their fullest in N-K. They worked for 4 days, then the Turks found a way to defeat the EW counter measures.”””
Where do you get that from? It sure has not happened in Syria, in Libya the ew involvement for LNA was minimal. The author of this article is biased toward drone usage and their “supposed capabilities””” while ignoring tactical realities of such “capabilities” against peer or greater powers. So please tell me, how did the Krasukah platform ( the same platform deployed in Syria ) shoot down 9 Bayaktars near its base in Armenia?
“”” Modern wars are hardly all-out wars. In the future, the person who has better technology will often win.”””
Maybe the Turks would like to help SA and see how well they do in Yemen.
in n-k war anti jamming gnss system was used mounted in drones which can determine the direction of jamming signals and suppress them using spatial filtering, reconstructing the original signal for delivery to standard GNSS receivers but krasukha-4 was not deployed in n-k,some other russian land based ew systems probably(ı can find in archives but ı am not in a mood today..) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/858840388374dee6061846e265e267961c79bb3a26e4a7ff413a50e24f309a2a.png
Nk didnt have Krashuja 4….but was used by Russian when 2 israeli Harop drones entered in Armenia territory…then the system jammed both drones which change the course and crashed in Georgia!,,,there are photos to proof it!….almost all drones shot down( included 2 TB2) were in Martouni where a single TOR-M2 was deployed..thats system only could be destroyed when was hided in a Grain.
The info about Russia’s deployment of EW in N-K was published on SF. Many people are aware of it. I’ve looked for the article but couldn’t find it. The article specifically said the Russian EW counter measures worked for FOUR DAYS and then the Turks figured a way around it.
Yes but Russians betrayed the Armenians because Russia=Israel=Turkey
Pashynian betrayed Armenia by expelling the Russians first, and then conducting a war without the will to defend NK and win. I am Armenian and see things from a world perspective.
I am not going defend Pashinyan who makes me sick actually.
That in no way takes away away from the fact that Russians betrayed Armenia.
I despise Putin and I despise Pashinyan who are both traitors to what remains of the civilized Christian world.
Putin is an Armenian-hating Jew, like all bona fide Jews are: http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2018/02/trump-putin-kosher-nostra.html?m=1
Meanwhile Eurodrone contract will be signed in 2021..This male class drone is physical manifestation of a million lives that were slain by non-europen actors through-out history and will seek to claim Europe’s revenge by slaughtering countries those around him….xD https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3787b78037cb54ef42f5d33891c097178e40ed56b21ecddf1199500b87894c4a.jpg
Geeze… Europe is under attack now? I didn’t see that on Twitter… I mean, aside from the domestic head-chopper riots and the French.
ofc they’re not, nato keeps winning.
What is NATO winning?
Everything
You Turd NATO twat, we all can see how NATO have won in Syria. Or how 30 NATO cowards barking against Russia but not attacking. You are filthy cowards and losers!
Lol, what a rtard. Syria is a sh.ithole country and so irrelevant, and why would NATO attack Russia? And you know it well that NATO is way more advanced than Russia, we all know who will win in a war.
You are a funny troll.
Check his profile, is fake as fuck trying to instigate conflict, he isnt even a turk, he’s probably a little smooth skin kid from UK or US troll farm.
“the de facto victory of Turkish weaponry over the Russian one” Bollocks! That “victory” can be thanked only to absence of any decent air defenses (Russian-modern one not few OLD-Soviet that N Karabakh has) and absence of Armenian aviation on top of absence of modern air defenses have decided the winner.
Then, how do you explain Israel’s unchallenged continue destruction of Syria in presence of S-300, pansir, etc air defense systems? Azerbaijan has destroyed a multitude of these S-300 during that brief war.
You must have basic knowledge on the subject to make judgments and not using propaganda or journalistic click bites. Armenian has old Soviet export S-300P (export’s are always limited comparing to original also) That system is already obsolete (Russia had never produce them and are not using them for quite some time now) Even still used S-300PMU2 is old Soviet design but with Russian upgrades (Russia is using them also) No such system was “destroyed” by anybody yet. What is happening with Syria S-300 (which model of S-300 that is I do not know) All I know is that it was Russian gift to Syria (so maybe Russia uses their influence to use of that system or Syrians have problem to operate) I DO NOT KNOW because I am not insider or privy to the military secrets in Syra. No Russian designed and produced anti aircraft S-400 was destroyed (US didn’t even try to come close) I think that speaks volumes about quality.
I do not trust much Azerbaijan and Armenia in their “destruction’s”.. Much of it was just propaganda.
All I’ve read about Russia’s anti aircraft systems exists only in theory. These systems are yet to prove themselves in a large conclusive conflict. My research shows that at least 20 Russian AA systems were destroyed between Libya, Syria, and N-K. There are video proofs of may such strikes, and international organization tracking conflicts have drawn several conclusions regarding the effectiveness of Russia AA systems against drones. There are still doubts because the Russian AA systems are yet to be destroyed in large non-concealable numbers, but as proxy wars increase, we’ll soon find out.
My prediction from current events is that Russian AA systems will struggle to contain drones until Russia successfully produces systems designed specifically to counter drones. Just like the analyst said: the Turkish drones are small and that makes them difficult to shoot down. Don’t forget that Bayraktar TB2 has NO stealth. This begs the question: What if Turkey produces the stealth version which will be even more difficult to intercept? That could spell disaster for the S-300 and even S-400.
Again, Russia is yet to master drone technology. So how could they have mastered anti-drone Technology?
I will not waste my time with another biased anti-Russian and sympathizer of Zionist- jihad on top. Sick and tired reading your pro – Turkey bollocks about Turk tech know how that doesn’t exist ! The backward country Turkey that has not built single jet in their entire history and having now drone built almost entirely from FOREIGN PARTS based on old Israeli drone design! And that country to compare to the country that has century long tradition of building planes?!? That has built some of the best jets in the world, not to mention endless list of airplanes and choppers built in the past.
BACK OF IMBECILE no time for retards fuck you and your Turd’s they are NOTHING comparing to Russia !
All I’ve read about Russia’s anti aircraft systems exists only in theory. These systems are yet to prove themselves in a large conclusive conflict.
Having to shoot down hundreds of drones at once in swarm attacks on their air base in Syria does not count?
Yes, the Russians have all the drone and anti-drone technology they need but the problem is
Russia=Israel=Turkey
These were mock-up drones by the rebels. When REAL drones showed up, we saw how it not only stopped the SAA advance in Idlib but also forced the SAA to retreat some distance. This was the real drone attack which Russian systems failed to stop. Again, Russia’s analysts confirm that Russia is yet to master drone technology, so how can it be said that Russia has now mastered anti-drone technology? Consider Libya’s case as well. The drones forced a retreat of LNA’s forces. If not for the risk of a wider conflict with Egypt, these Turkish drones would have pushed LNA forces farther back. In N-K too, we know Armenia has AA systems from Russia and even EW capabilities which Russia deployed in N-K, according a retired general of the N-K armed forces. Both Russian AA and EW systems failed to prevent Azerbaijan establishing air supremacy with drones. Do your research further and don’t just rely on SF. As a matter of fact, the info regarding Russia’s deployment of EW capabilities in N-K was published on SF.
“Russia’s deployment of EW capabilities in N-K was published on SF.”
But when?!! Those “EW capabilities” were deployed only with ARRIVAL of Russian peace keepers ! Stop your ANTI RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA you filthy bot !
What “Russia’s analysts” you filthy bigoted LIAR!?! You are LIAR talking BULLSHIT without single proof that Russia does those things you claim them to do! You stinking LIAR you ERDOGAN’s islamist PIG !
Hold on now we are being selective with our information some call it cherry-picking, what was done yesterday don’t really means it will do it tomorrow, and it’s Russia you know the gas station in the sky, and those drones ain’t so cheap just look at the one Iran shot down, now you take a few of those and you’re beginning to talk some serious money.
So far only Russia and Syria with Russia’s help are the only countries to have consistently shot down large numbers of drones and missiles on a regular basis with a 60% to 100% success rate. They get better at is every day with the practice Israel and Israeli ISIS gives them using top USSA drones and missiles so Russia can learn all their strengths and weaknesses.
Ignorusupyeanus,they repelled all drones heading at their bases,stinktank! Why don’t you and you fake chummy gimp,save the sht for ye gaybar,useless!
The Russians simply betray all their allies EXCEPT the Turks and the Israelis.
Russians already have the technology and the hardware BUT
Russia=Israel=Turkey
The Syrian S-300 batteries need input and guidance from the sophisticated Russian radar installations in Syria which the Russians refuse to give to the Syrians.
“sophisticated Russian radar installations”= S-400 and S-300V4 radars networked with Syrian S-300 for guidance to lock on target. If the GIFT Russia gave to Syria is only S-300P…That old Soviet model doesn’t have capability to have network guidance for their rockets. Is it might be technical limitation as well. So when you say that :”Russians refuse to give to the Syrians” you are talking right out of your arse because you DO NOT KNOW what is happening and why!
You yourself are admitting that the “gift” the Russians gave the Syrians is useless without the radar network of which the Russians are denying access to the Syrians.
So what’s your problem?
“”gift” the Russians gave the Syrians” is NOT “useless ” but OLDER S-300P which is still much more recent, modern design than S-125 or S-200 that Syria is still using!
Of course S-300 can “benefit’ and have improved Syrian defenses LOT you ignorant SIMPLETON! You know jack s*it on air defenses to understand how did Serbia destroy F-117A with Pechora S-125 ! They knew already direction (shortest distance from which will careless US retards return to the base, after bombing, so they could menage the situation with old UK radar and old Soviet rocket to take them down!)
“So what’s your problem?” My problem are anti – Russian bigoted fucking BAS*ARDS LIKE YOU who never close your big mouth even when they have NO CLUE what are they talking about ! F*CK OFF BIGOTED RETARD ! F*CK SOROS PRO-NATO ARMENIA ! F*CK YOU ALL ! GO SUCK US C*CK!!
You make me sick.
Glad to hear…do me a favor and die already!
If you have LONG stick , how can I effectively defend myself with short one? Pantsir Syria has is SHORT range air defense system. Modern air defenses MUST be multi layered against modern highly equipped enemy like IsraHell. What is good enough against Jordan doesn’t work against IsraHell Volley of high precision missiles and gliding bombs can overcome any short range systems (if not combined in MULTI LAYERED system with medium and long range systems short range system doesn’t have chance of survival.
What “unchallenged continue destruction of Syria”? All Ive seen for the last 2 years are the Israeli’s taking pot shots at Syria from the Bekka valley in Lebanon, Jordan or Iraq. The ‘destruction” you are talking about is for the most part harassment. Every recent strike I’ve read about is in the Damascus region or around Al Bukamal.
Get a map and look at the proximity of Beiruit to Damascus and look at the terrain …. notice it’s a valley with a mountain range between Syria and lebanon? A. tell me how syrian radars can detect Israeli aircraft flying down the bekka valley? B. Do you believe the Syrians are such animals that they would blindly fire SAM in the direction of the Beirut airport which is about 40 KM for Damascus?
That how they evade Syrian air defences … fly low down the Bekka Valley over the suburbs of Beiruit then pop up to fire missiles and glide bombs and scoot home.
Taking pot shots with mortars, artillery or aircraft isn’t winning a war. The S-300 is a weapon designed to control air space not to stop every bomb, missile or bullet lobbed from across a border. When you have evidence of a package of Israeli fighters dominating the skies over Syria while waves for bombers attack deep inside Syria THEN you can say the S-300 is a failure.
What “unchallenged continue destruction of Syria”?
Syria shoots down more then half of these missiles on a regular basis.
cowardly Israeli planes shoot long range missiles from over the med or Lebanon when commercial airliners are in the area to hide behind, so Syria can’t shoot them down without hitting civilian airliners.
Liar.
Russian S-300 and S-400s are capable of seeing and hitting Israeli planes even beyond Lebanese and Syrian borders.
But Russians don’t even nicely ask the Israelis to stop bombing the Syrians.
Because Putin and the Jews are allies.
You are stinking LIAR and anti-Russian propagandist !
“Russian S-300 and S-400s are capable of seeing and hitting Israeli planes even beyond Lebanese and Syrian borders.”
Sorry but radar can’t see through hills and mountains. Before there was stealth the tactics for evading radar was to fly so low that the curvature of the earth keeps you out of sight of radars. Planes like the US f-111 and Soviet su-24 were designed just for such missions as were Tomahawk cruise missiles.
A lot has changed since the 1970’s however physics is still the same …. radar can’t see through mountains. Yes the Russians have satellites and airborne radar that can see down the Bekka valley but the SAA doesn’t have these assets and Russia didn’t entered the Syrian war to start a war with Israel.
I suggest you read the statement from the kremlin from 2015 regarding the Russian objectives in Syria …. they haven’t wavered from those objectives.
Now with that being said …. do you think it’s wise for the SAA to blindly launch radar and IR homing missiles into the airspace around the Beiruit airport?
What do you think the response would be from the west if the “Assad regime” shot down an airliner over Lebanese territory? Or even if missile landed in a Beiruit suburb killing people? They launched a $billion or so worth of TLAM’s over some faked chemical attacks …. don’t you think shooting down airliners might trigger an even bigger response?
You make reasonable points.
The fact is Russians are Israel’s allies. The Russians don’t even kindly ask the Israelis to stop killing their (supposed) Syrian and Iranian allies, do they?
Since the Russians don’t = Russians are really allies with the Israelis — not the Syrians or the Iranians,
Be reasonable and accept that fact.
If you’re favoring one party over another, than you are allies with the party you’re favoring over the other.
People, stop being so stupid.
“The fact is Russians are Israel’s allies. The Russians don’t even kindly ask the Israelis to stop killing their (supposed) Syrian and Iranian allies, do they?”
Putin rarely invites me to meeting with the Israelis any more so I have no idea what the Russians ask them.
Since the Russians don’t = Russians are really allies with the Israelis — not the Syrians or the Iranians,”
No the answer is ‘all of the above and none of the above al at the same time.
If you listen closely to the language the Russians use they have interests in the region …. not allies or enemies.
If you paid attention to what the kremlin said back in 2015 you would have heard the statement ‘if not Assad then who”?
The Russians want a stable Syria in their near abroad … what they refused to tolerate was a radical Islamic regime spreading their contagion to central Asia and Russia. Putin wanted the 2500 Russian that were fighting in Syria in 2015 to die there. That is the primary mission of the Russian Syrian campaign …. to protect Russia and Russian interests not to fight WW3 on behalf of the Iranians or Syrians.
“Be reasonable and accept that fact.”
I’m quite reasonable … I harbour no fantasies of the Russians being Iran or Syria saviour and I believe WW3 in the ME is something that should be avoided.
Will you ‘be reasonable’ and accept the fact that Russia is in Syria to fight their war their way just like they said they would and not on some crusade against the jews, turks or Americans.
Russia is currently building a nuclear power plant for a radical Islamic regime and already sold S-400s to them *after* they shot down Russian aircraft and helicopters and murdered their pilots and crew instead of taking them alive when they could. The Russians led by Putin also helped this radical Islamic regime destroy Artsakh’s military force and delivered ancient Christian lands to the genocidal Turks, Azeris and assorted Muslim terrorists on a silver platter.
Therefore your claim that Russia would not tolerate a radical Islamic regime spreading their contagion to Central Asia and Russia is patently false since Russia under Putin’s leadership is expressly helping and enabling radical Islamic Turkey and its army of Jihadis do exactly that and more. Thanks to Russia (and Pakistan), Turkey will become a nuclear-armed Muslim terrorist state in 20-30 years.
Syria has better air defenses then Armenia and Israeli planes shoot long range missiles from over the med or Lebanon when commercial air liners are in the area to hide behind, so Syria can’t shoot them down without hitting civilian airliners.
In order word, Russia has no solution to the Israel continue unchallenged aggression/destruction of Syria, or any adversaries using the same tactic? So why did Russia send this system to Syria then? Didn’t they at least have an idea of Israel using such tactics?
Russia came to Syria to HELP fighting terrorists only. Russia is not baby sitter for Syria or paid protector Russian role is NOT to permanently protect Syria from IsraHell, Turkey, US or anybody else. That is job of Syrians. Maybe to the extent Iranian bases might be provocative for IsraHell and Russia has nothing to do with Syria-Iran arrangements. That is not Russia’s problem. You are just another of army of assholes who want Russian’s to die for Syria fervor (specially because they are majority Christians – so their lives are worthless (in your eyes). For Russia war in Syria against terrorists is officially finished – read Russian news dork !!
You are easily triggered, notice that I never used any insults (may be sometimes against Politicians), foul language here. I may say things that people here did not agree with, but never used slurs or foul language against any other people here, including yourself.
The point I am trying to make is why does Russia which often referred to Syria as an ally, then sit by watching it being slowly destroyed by Israel? Does Russia understand what the word “ally” means? Why would any other country watching Russia’s passive attitude when an ally is being continuously bombarded/destroyed wants any type of alliance with Russia? In my opinion, using all types of excuses to justify passiveness/cowardice is never good for business, specially when a huge part of Russia’s GDP is based on weapon sales to supposed allies.
You see, no personal insults, just pure intellectual arguments to suscitate a debate from like minded people here. By the way, you don’t have to respond, but if you can’t help yourself, then please keep it civil, we are supposed to be reasonable people here.
This argument just keeps reappearing like a bad case of herpes…
“Does Russia understand what the word “ally” means?
Of course they do: Israel and the U.S. are allies. What part of Russia avoiding WWIII with the U.S. over Syria don’t you f’king understand? If Israel didn’t have the U.S. cucked out to defend them, then Russia would have glassed Israel by now for constantly provoking Syria. Assad understood this years ago. He’s not sitting on his ass waiting for any Russian assistance. Syria does not expect Russia to defend it against Israel. It only hopes Russia will continue to help it exterminate the NATO-backed Saudi Wahhabi terrorists inside Syria.
Here it is!! I was wondering when is that particular excuse of “because we want to avoid WW3, or because this or that ally has befriended the west” will come, it didn’t take long. Do you really think that the west including the US will risk going into a nuclear war with Russia, because Russia finally man-up and decides to answer to Israel’s aggression with aggression?
If there is one thing that we both can agree on and as confirmed by your statement that the US is sure is a better ally, and does have a better understanding of the meaning of the word ally. No way they would have let an ally being destroyed, continuously being bombarded like that.
By the way, there is no shame to admitting cowardliness.
iQ of your shoesize proves infact what a true gutless wonder you truly are: poke,poke,poke get your ribs busted faster than blink,keep poking,asswhole
You dumb p00f,russia never betrayed their allie,unlike your insolent p00fs!
You are right BUT the reason for their betraying their allies is not Russia’s weakness but Russia’s perfidious and compromised leadership and amoral and dishonorable population: http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2018/02/trump-putin-kosher-nostra.html?m=1
“Do you really think that the west including the US will risk going into a nuclear war with Russia, because Russia finally man-up and decides to answer to Israel’s aggression with aggression?”
“…risk going into…”? I’m American. I know how my psychopathic leaders think. Of course they’re not going to carefully consider the risk before a reflexive move to jump to Israel’s aid because my leaders think we’re invincible. It will only be a matter of time before the U.S. shoots down a Russian aircraft or sinks one of their ships – or vice versa. More realistic: “…accidentally bumbling into…” a nuclear war with Russia. It isn’t the U.S. that’s unwilling to take the risk, it’s Russia. The U.S. doesn’t act rationally, it acts like a bully. There’s no predicting what crazy way the U.S. would respond if Russia took a swing at the little bully: Israel.
“If there is one thing that we both can agree on and as confirmed by your statement that the US is sure is a better ally, and does have a better understanding of the meaning of the word ally.”
You mistake the U.S. government as someone representing the collective will of U.S. citizens. Are you on drugs? Nobody is going to die to save a parasite.
And why didn’t the US jump on the opportunity to fight Iran when Iran walloped their military base in Irak? Why didn’t the US hit North Korea when North Korea sank a South Korean warship, and later destroyed a SK village? The US leaders are not as stupid as you think, they like grand standing in order to win votes, to line up their pocket with money from their jewry donors, but they know that there won’t be any winner in a nuclear war with Russia, or even China for that matter.
The U.S did not attack Iran because that missile strike wasn’t reason enough. No American died. The fact the America took out Soleiman openly means they were ready for war. Iran backed down.
Iranians are the real cowards. You want Russia to fight Iran’s wars, not Syria’s.
You are lying.
Read my response above, foul-mouthed creature.
You are not educated enough to concieve the truth,control freak,fk0ff gimp! Be a man ,not a mouse,truth honour,valour,respect must be earn’t here as it is in the real world,study the truth,instead of vying to turn others to your low iq levels,you lame,baseless,utterly disorientated fascist troll,man up with facts!
Nothing personal no,but lame,sly cia/control freaks never change anything: TRUTH ASSASINS:
Very well put Sir. Thank you for that.
Russia is ruled by Jews and Zionists. Russia recently delivered victory on a silver platter to the Turks and the Azeris because Israel is an ally of the Azeris and the Israelis have already opened a front against Iran from Azerbaijan.
What benefit did Russia get by slashing Armenia in half and opening the Zangezour corridor to connect Nakhichevan (thus Turkey) to Azerbaijan? None. But now essentially the North of Iran has been isolated and encircled by pro-Israeli Azeri forces backed by pro-Israeli Russian elements.
Ask yourself: why is Putin selling Russian oil for its sworn enemy the Americans’ petrodollars and thus aiding and abetting the supposedly American enemy by propping up the petrodollar system by backing it with Russian oil? Just like the Jewish Bolsheviks sold Russian oil for American dollars at the height of the Cold War hence committing treason? Because the richest man of Israel, the “Russian” oligarch Roman Abramovich publicly admits that Putin is an ethnic Jew who can obtain an Israeli passport anytime Putin wanted it: http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2018/02/trump-putin-kosher-nostra.html?m=1
Many people use insults direct or indirect on this forum. I am glad if you don’t belong in that group. I am sorry if I have insulted you. You are saying that you are not one of that large group of people and not bot either (even though you use usual slur against Russia)… WHERE does Russia have had explicitly said to be “Syria’s ally”?! They are “allays” in combat against terrorism in Syria (but not against IsraHell or Turkey or US) and nothing else !
“Does Russia understand what the word “ally” means?” So you label Russians immoral and idiots huh you slimy backstabber?!! Depends on their type of alliance it can mean different things ! Do you know what word “allay” men you SIMPLETON?! See… you want to talk about Russia in derogatory insulting way and you do not want to be insulted!? Well if you insult you will get insult back !
Russia is not in Syria to baby sit or “defend” Syria or supply them with weapons for free forever. Russia came with precise objective, to fight terrorist ONLY !
I think that there is absolutely nothing “intellectual” and not single valid “argument” in your comment. Just another derogatory slur against Russia. Usual, disguised anti-Russian propaganda. Russia has no military pact with Syria only USSR had one with Assad’s father! Russia HAS NO OBLIGATION TO DEFEND or LIBERATE SYRIA AT ALL or to give away weapons for free. They are fulfilling what they have promised to Assad when he was ASKING them for HELP ! Putin have promised to HELP in fight against terrorism but nothing else! Good bye!
This guy, HiaNd, is not capable of intellectual argument. Either ignore him or make him really mad by blatantly pointing out Russia’s weakness and then insulting him. That’ll keep him off your back.
50 to 90% of these Israeli missiles are shot down by Russian systems.
Russia gets to test and improve their weapons in real war conditions.Learn the weaknesses of USSA systems.This is invaluable experience for the Russian military.
The strikes are not militarily significant as very few missile get through.
Nonsense and lies.
The Russians stand down their S-300 and S-400 radar systems (on which Syrian S-300 batteries depend) every time the Israelis attack their Syrian allies. The Russians are perfectly capable of hitting incoming or returning Israeli planes over Lebanon anyway but they don’t because
Russia=Israel
Again,
The Russians stand down their S-300 and S-400 radar systems (on which Syrian S-300 batteries depend) every time the Israelis attack their Syrian allies. The Russians are perfectly capable of hitting incoming or returning Israeli planes over Lebanon anyway but they don’t because
Russia=Israel
Syria has intercepted well over 100 bombs and missiles launched by Israel (from outside Syrian territory mostly). No system is going to have a 100% success rate, especially against a much better equipped foe.
Syria needs a decent air force as well, it can’t just rely on ground based AD alone.
The Russians stand down their S-300 and S-400 radar systems (on which Syrian S-300 batteries depend) every time the Israelis attack their Syrian allies. The Russians are perfectly capable of hitting incoming or returning Israeli planes over Lebanon anyway but they don’t because
Russia=Israel
Article doesn’t explain, how exactly is Turkey in advance to Russia when it comes to drones? Even though I agree with Russian “think-tank” that some bad choices have been made by neglecting drones. Russia Announces First Armed Test of Heavy Strike Stealth ‘Hunter’ Drone https://www.thedefensepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/1294921-1020×610.jpg https://www.thedefensepost.com/2020/12/08/russia-okhotnik-drone-armed-test/
The Russians have advanced drones already and used them in Syria. There was an article about a recent devastating drone strike against some anti-Assad faction in Syria but I can’t find it now.
I know that Russia has drones. The point of the article is that Russia does not emphasize them enough in their new weapons choice options. Russia has many prototypes of drones but also those projects must be chosen and financed to enter the production.
They already have the good stuff: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-russian-suicide-drones-tested-inside-syria-report/
Russia considers armed drones are a missile so as part of the treaty with the US did not develop them. Since what is the difference between a missile and a drone?
True all that but that was “IMF” treaty that was abandoned by US some time ago. And what you have said was Russian argument against US drones that were in Russian opinion against the rules of that treaty. Of course that has considered only drones with ranges between 500 and 5000 km. US obviously didn’t care for the Russian objections
This drone has not been combat-tested yet. The Bayraktars have been. That’s why Turkey is currently ahead of Russia in drone tech.
many assertions—but little evidence could be some truth? seems provokatsiya
Azerbaijan accused of ethnic cleansing as horrifying footage appears to show elderly Armenian man being beheaded by soldiers Shocking video purporting to show Azerbaijani troops executing a civilian has gone viral online, with Armenia alleging that it’s just one of a series of war crimes committed during the recent Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. https://www.rt.com/russia/509105-armenian-man-beheaded-azerbaijani-soldiers/
I think this CAST-expert doesn’t know that the die has been already cast in this matter and his opinion is just like the Soviet-era military strategy: already outdated!
He is bot for Russian drone industry… Paid to swindle opinion of Russian generals to buy much more drones. Lobbying for interests of some industrial’s is never “outdated” and can be paid well.
You don’t need advanced technology if you have the people on your side. You don’t need propaganda if you have charisma and a powerful mojo. Putin needs propaganda and advanced technology because he is deficient in mojo and too few people are on his side. The inherent power of the Truth will always win in the end. God can temporarily subjugate the world to a cockroach if He wants, and that is kind of the direction we are headed in; the Antichrist is lowly like a cockroach.
Thanks for posting this translation, SF. It’s interesting as always to see this perspective.
As long as people good pay for weapons Russia …. or any other nation on earth …. will never be ready for the next war. At least not according to the arms salesmen.
Drones are for the most part lightweight, slow moving aircraft. They can be detected on radar and IR just like any other combat aircraft and being slow, lightweight aircraft they are vulnerable to air defences. While most air defences deployed today are built to counteract manned military aircraft and missiles now that the threat of drones is realized every rich nation will be working on air defences that focus on small drones.
Weapons are just part of the equation when it comes to warfare. Strategy, tactics, geography, training and discipline have more influence on the outcome of a war than weapons alone.
Yes Armenia got mauled by drones but you can bet militaries all over the world are analyzing what happened and making sure they aren’t vunerable to the same threat. Manpads and ATGM were supposed to be the end of A. close air support and B. tanks but last I looked combat aircraft were still flying and tanks are still a fixture on the battle field
Unfortunately SF hasn’t run an analysis, other than what I’ve written in comments, on how the war could have been fought with the equipment at the Armenian’s and Artsahk’s disposal. Which was formidable. With much of it allowed to sit idle or be used for target practice when it didn’t need to be.
Pashinyan was and is a saboteur. That’s why the war was a disaster. If the Armenian Air Force and Air Defense Force had been used properly a no fly zone would have been put in place over Artsahk. And the Azeris never would have gotten off the southern low lands where they would have been decimated by air and heavy weapons strikes.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c03af527fd94a5c14d109559e138a9dbdbd595467cf40da976495ebcf243f10.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_102nd_Military_Base
A couple of Mig 31s set up for AWACS could have been flown in. And with the S-300 radars everything that approached and tried to enter Artsahk airspace could have had an air to air or ground to air missile waiting for it.
The Russians told the Armenians they would be on their own if they flew their SU-30s against the Azeris. If the Armenian Army fought the Azeris, the Turks would have directly participated in the war against Armenia. The Turks used their F-16s to shoot down Armenian SU-25s. Russians permitted it. The Russians could have jammed and disabled the Turkish drones with a few EW systems. Instead the Russians enabled the Turks to attack and destroy the NK fighting force. Why are you so obtuse? As the article below articulates, the Russians delivered victory to the Turks and the Azeris “on a silver platter”: https://ecfr.eu/article/military-lessons-from-nagorno-karabakh-reason-for-europe-to-worry/
But this betrayal of the Armenians has FOREVER destroyed Russia’s standing in the world as a strategic partner. Now everyone not only knows that Russia is no-one’s true ally but that anyone who trusts them will have written their own death sentence.
Russia’s stance in the NK War has destroyed any chance of a true military alliance between China and Russia and between Russia and Iran. In addition, Russians are betraying the Syrians and the Persians every day in Syria by allowing the Israelis to bomb and kill their allies in Syria with impunity. Putin is not playing 5D chess. Like all the rest of the Russian oligarchs and the Russian administration, Putin is a Zionist and a Jew to boot. This was not just an Azeri and Turkish war against the Armenians. This was a joint Russian and Israeli attack against the Armenians as well. What a sick world we live in. Russia won this battle against the Armenians but already lost the Second Cold War before it even started by displaying for the world to see how perfidious and depraved Russians truly are.
What is it about Putin had the war stopped with the Azeris agreeing to the Madrid Principals while they were still on the southern low lands but Pashinyan the saboteur sabotaged it:
“Armenia had the chance to stop the war in mid-October and maintain control of the key city of Shusha, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said. …
“On the whole, I managed to convince President Aliyev that it was possible to end hostilities, but the return of refugees, including to Shusha, was a mandatory condition on his part,” Putin said.
Shusha (which Armenians spell Shushi) was Azerbaijan’s key goal in the war; it regards the city as its cultural and historical center in the region.
“Unexpectedly for me, the position of our Armenian partners was that they perceived this as something unacceptable,” Putin continued. “Prime Minister Pashinyan told me openly that he viewed this as a threat to the interests of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. I do not quite understand the essence of this hypothetical threat, I mean, it was about the return of civilians to their homes, while the Armenian side was to have retained control over this section of Nagorno-Karabakh, including Shusha, and meaning that our peacekeepers were there, which we have agreed upon both with Armenia and Azerbaijan. At that point, the prime minister told me that his country could not agree to this, and that it would struggle and fight.””
– Putin says Armenia could have stopped the war and kept Shusha –
https://eurasianet.org/putin-says-armenia-could-have-stopped-the-war-and-kept-shusha
The Russians lied to and betrayed the Armenians at every turn.
You cannot expect the Armenians to base their decisions on any statement made by the Russian side.
Countenance this reality before you respond.
I’ve provided quality proof supporting my analysis. Until you do the same. I see no reason to change my conclusions.
https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/14oct_Azerbaijan_Armenia_map_2-scaled.jpg?x64422
https://i.redd.it/nez2brk54pq51.jpg
The lower half is now in Azeri hands. The rest, in five years.
Your point?
It’s been years for Georgia and Ukraine. I see no evidence that that’s going to change anytime soon or that Russia will abandon N-K.
Can you stop being stupid?
A map is not a statement. If you have something to say, say it.
What is it about Putin had the war stopped with the Azeris agreeing to the Madrid Principals when the Azeris were still on the southern low lands that you don’t understand? Before they had even taken Hadrut and had barely occupied any of N-K, but Pashinyan the saboteur sabotaged it:
“Armenia had the chance to stop the war in mid-October and maintain control of the key city of Shusha, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said. …
“On the whole, I managed to convince President Aliyev that it was possible to end hostilities, but the return of refugees, including to Shusha, was a mandatory condition on his part,” Putin said.
Shusha (which Armenians spell Shushi) was Azerbaijan’s key goal in the war; it regards the city as its cultural and historical center in the region.
“Unexpectedly for me, the position of our Armenian partners was that they perceived this as something unacceptable,” Putin continued. “Prime Minister Pashinyan told me openly that he viewed this as a threat to the interests of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. I do not quite understand the essence of this hypothetical threat, I mean, it was about the return of civilians to their homes, while the Armenian side was to have retained control over this section of Nagorno-Karabakh, including Shusha, and meaning that our peacekeepers were there, which we have agreed upon both with Armenia and Azerbaijan. At that point, the prime minister told me that his country could not agree to this, and that it would struggle and fight.””
– Putin says Armenia could have stopped the war and kept Shusha –
https://eurasianet.org/putin-says-armenia-could-have-stopped-the-war-and-kept-shusha 2
Genius,
I believe the majority of the population of Shushi right prior to the war were Azeri. The agreement you mention would have meant the loss of Shushi and the return of Azeri terrorists in overwhelming numbers anyway. (The Azeris, being the good Turks they are, would have sent in their “civilian” special terrorist forces first of course.). Hence Putin’s insolence and hypocrisy towards the Armenians.
“The agreement you mention would have meant the loss of Shushi”
Do you have any proof of that? The maps that I’ve provided show that in mid October the Artsahks controlled 95% of N-K.
God, you’re slow in the brain department.
What would have happened if the Armenians allowed a 70 or 80 percent or greater portion of the population of Shushi to become Azeri as that agreement stipulates?
Return of Azeri civilians to pre-war levels? Hello? Anybody in there?
That’s a dodge. I asked for proof that accepting the mid October deal would have resulted in the loss of Shusha and you provided none. Because you’re trying to cover up your disinfo. Accepting the mid October deal wouldn’t have resulted in the loss of Shusha as you claim. You’re a disinfo peddler.
You are an idiot.
Giving away Shushi by allowing Azeris to return as the majority of the population is the same thing as losing Shushi in a war. The Armenians took their chances and lost. Some Jihadis and Turks lost their lives as well.
The 30% of N-K that the Artsahks lost thanks to Pashinyan’s sabotage when Putin handed Armenia and N-K the Madrid plan on a silver platter isn’t remotely the same as allowing displaced Azeris to return to their homes in N-K under Russian and Armenian administration.
The majority of the population of Shushi were Azerbaijani before the war. That’s what we’re talking about, not the whole of Karabakh.
That’s a dodge. This is the comment that you replied to showing that Putin had the war stopped with the Azeris still on the lowlands in mid October:
“What is it about Putin had the war stopped with the Azeris agreeing to the Madrid Principals when the Azeris were still on the southern low lands that you don’t understand? Before they had even taken Hadrut and had barely occupied any of N-K, but Pashinyan the saboteur sabotaged it: …”
You’re blame shifting from Pashinyan to Putin when the facts are clear that Putin had the Madrid Principals implemented with 95% of N-K intact and Pashinyan the traitor and saboteur handed the Turks and Azeris 35% of N-K on a silver plater and mass murdered thousands of Armenians with his treason. Many have swung from the gallows or gotten a bullet to the head for similar betrayal.
You’re openly lying all the time. Where you proof? Give us any factual evidence that Putin had even a square centimeter of NK secured.
Putin never had any part of Karabakh secured by any measure or agreement.
Putin went so far as to publicly offend and humiliate the Armenian side (not just Pashinyan) by making a show on Russian television, of refusing to take calls from the Armenian president.
Russian troll,
Your computer speaks English rather well but openly lying in King’s English doesn’t turn lies into truth.
You’ve never disproven anything that I’ve written, or provided any credible proof that I’m lying, with your malicious false accusations that I’m lying. I’m continuously disproving your lies and disinfo with credible evidence.
This is the evidence that I’ve provided:
“Armenia had the chance to stop the war in mid-October and maintain control of the key city of Shusha, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said. …
“On the whole, I managed to convince President Aliyev that it was possible to end hostilities, but the return of refugees, including to Shusha, was a mandatory condition on his part,” Putin said.
Shusha (which Armenians spell Shushi) was Azerbaijan’s key goal in the war; it regards the city as its cultural and historical center in the region.
“Unexpectedly for me, the position of our Armenian partners was that they perceived this as something unacceptable,” Putin continued. “Prime Minister Pashinyan told me openly that he viewed this as a threat to the interests of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. I do not quite understand the essence of this hypothetical threat, I mean, it was about the return of civilians to their homes, while the Armenian side was to have retained control over this section of Nagorno-Karabakh, including Shusha, and meaning that our peacekeepers were there, which we have agreed upon both with Armenia and Azerbaijan. At that point, the prime minister told me that his country could not agree to this, and that it would struggle and fight.””
– Putin says Armenia could have stopped the war and kept Shusha –
https://eurasianet.org/putin-says-armenia-could-have-stopped-the-war-and-kept-shusha 2
You haven’t provided any credible evidence to disprove it. The fact that a Russian peace keeping force is deployed in N-K and is expanding area under N-K control to implement the Madrid Principals which have wide international support, further supports Putin’s statements:
“On December 13, the Russian MoD released a map of the disputed region of Karabakh showing the towns, which are located in the vicinity of Hadrut, within the area guarded by peacekeepers. In previous maps, the towns were shown in the Azerbaijani-held part.”
– RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS OFFICIALLY DEPLOYED IN KARABAKH VILLAGES WHERE ARMENIAN-AZERBAIJANI CLASHES RESUMED –
https://southfront.org/russian-peacekeepers-officially-deployed-in-karabakh-villages-where-armenian-azerbaijani-clashes-resumed/
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4af146e7a0fcd0d1a150b37723852238461f71796e90df5416801cf326e3e165.png
The return of the Azeri civilians to Shushi that Putin stipulates, means the same thing as the takeover of the city by the Azeris because Azeris constituted the majority of the population before the first NK war.
You have quite stupidly refused to address and rebut this fact.
I did address it. I’m against the ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity that you advocate. Only a fool and liar like you would claim that losing control of Shusha in the war is the same as allowing displaced people to return under Armenian government administration.
I’ve read dozens of criticisms of Putin here for “allowing” Israel to attack Syria. For starters, there’s a no fly zone over Syria that the IAF stays out of.
I’ve asked numerous times of people making these criticisms to war game out what stopping these attacks from outside of Syria looks like. I’ve never seen a rational response.
So why don’t you give it a try?
This is my suggestion on how to do it. Win the Syrian war by recovering Syrian territory with the exception of the Golan. And then put together a regional coalition armed with nuclear weapons that outmans and outguns the IDF to clear them out of the occupied territories including the Golan. That is sufficiently robust to deter the US from intervening on Israel’s behalf. Which will keep the rest of NATO out also. And end Israeli attacks on Syria.
Who has nuclear weapons and is willing to confront the Israelis?
Basically, all nuclear powers are either Israel’s business partners or colonies, like the US.
That’s what I expected, a dodge from someone who can’t walk the talk.
What a stupid thing to say.
You are implying that I’m a one-man nuclear power who can bring Israel to its knees all on my own but I’m not doing it.
Are you really that crazy? — because some of the things you write are legible.
What is it that you don’t understand about:
“I’ve asked numerous times of people making these criticisms to war game out what stopping these attacks from outside of Syria looks like. I’ve never seen a rational response.
So why don’t you give it a try?”
Simply by the Russians asking the Israelis to stop it threatening to pursue the Israeli bombers or bomb the airbase whence they take off from;
OR
By providing SAM systems to the Syrians capable of intercepting attacking Israeli aircraft; this is practically impossible for the Syrians to accomplish without missiles that can be guided with data provided by the Russian S-400 radar systems based in Syria augmented by data amassed by Russian AWACS or whatever the equivalent is, flying missions over the area.
Just the Russians asking the Israelis would do the job.
So Russia or the Syrian Air Defense Force shoot down IAF planes over Israel, Lebanon or international waters off the Syrian coast. And what is Israel’s response?
Attack Syria AND Russia?
What would be the Russian response?
And if the Russians really wanted to empower Syria to stand on its own against Israel, a hundred Iskander missiles would suffice.
A couple of the Iskanders being nuclear tipped to be enabled at Russian discretion would seal the deal (in case the Israelis use nukes against Syria).
Why are you asking these stupid questions? Putin is a Jew: http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2018/02/trump-putin-kosher-nostra.html?m=1
That’s a dodge. You didn’t war game out what Israel’s response would be.
I’m not interested in playing games to entertain idiots who think war is a game.
As for the Jews. They are pushing the world to its limits where either the Jews finally take over the world OR there will not be a place left for the Jews in this world.
You’re not interested in debating your battle plan to stop Israeli attacks because you don’t have one. Which is why an intellectual coward like you dodges the issue.
What, now you’re talking about a direct confrontation between Israel and Armenia? Have a nice day.
You failed to provide a credible battle plan on how to stop the IAF attacks just like all of the other blame shifting mental midgets falsely accusing Putin of enabling Israel’s crimes by not doing enough to help Syria when he’s done more than anyone else to help Syria. And has pushed the JWO terrorists back from the gates of Damascus to the Turkish and Jordanian borders and east of the river. Which is continuing.
This is an attempted Jewish and Turkish GENOCIDE of the first Christian nation, the Armenians AGAIN.
The chief rabbi of Russia, Berel Lazar, is Putin’s mentor and great friend. Putin’s affiliation with the Zionist mafia of Chabad is well documented.
Even though Jewish Bolsheviks raped, tortured, killed, and oppressed Russians by the millions, Russians still today allow themselves to be ruled by the Christ Killers. (Jews have recorded in the greatest Jewish authority the Talmud — which has not been repudiated even by the greatest Jewish intellectual Noam Chomsky — their belief and desire that Jesus Christ is to be boiled to death in excrement and semen for eternity.)
The so-called Russian oligarchs are Talmudic Zionists and so is Putin. Putin’s Jewish Russian oligarch buddy Roman Abramovich is Israel’s richest man: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-is-putin-s-pet-oligarch-abramovich-worthy-of-israeli-citizenship-1.6136441
Roman Abramovich stated in an interview in 2005 that Putin could obtain Israeli citizenship upon his request because Putin is a Jew: http://aanirfan.blogspot.com.tr/2018/02/trump-putin-kosher-nostra.html?m=1
http://redefininggod.com/trump-and-putin-agents-of-chabad-lubavitch/
To put it in the mildest of terms, Putin is not a good man nor a great strategist who has Russia’s best interests at the top of his priorities.
Here’s a partial list of things explaining why Putin is part of the problem and not part of the solution:
1. Putin never stopped selling Russian oil for American dollars thus aiding and abetting Russia’s sworn enemy, the American Military Industrial Complex (MIC). 2. Putin never nationalized the City of London-controlled Russian central bank and never took control of the Ruble away from Anglo-Zionist bankers. 3. Putin never stopped BACKING thereby subsidizing the petrodollar with Russian oil. 4. Putin enabled NATO to kill Gaddafi. 5. Putin sells Russian gas and oil for Euros (which are just a different name for the American dollar issued by the same Zio bankers that own the Fed) to the European Union who commit acts of war by passing sanctions against Russia along with the Americans. 6. Putin never demanded that the Americans leave Syria. 7. Putin never declared Syria’s airspace closed to America. 8. Putin never helped the Russians in Eastern Ukraine establish secure borders and independence from the NATO-imposed criminal regime in Kiev. 9. Putin sold highest-level-military-technology S-400s to NATO via Turkey thereby directly impairing Russian national security. 10. Putin sold S-400s to Saudi Arabia who are wahhabi muslim terrorists bent on the extermination of Putin’s allies the Alawite/Christian Syrians and Shiite Persians. 11. Putin collaborates with the Turks who are proud to have ambushed and shot down Russian jets and killed Russian pilots. Turkish President Erdogan wowed to shoot down Russians again. 12. Putin opened Syrian airspace to the Turks so that they could bomb and exterminate the Kurds of Afrin in Northern Syria, just like the Turks did to the first Christian nation of the world, the Armenians. 13. Putin again opened the airspace in Idlib to the Turks who used drones, guided missiles and shells, and standoff weapons fired from Turkish F-16s to massacre hundreds of Syrian soldiers and destroy dozens of Syrian tanks and armored carriers. 14. Putin ALWAYS allowed the Americans and the Israelis to bomb and kill Syrians and Russian military personnel with impunity. 15. Putin never punished the allegedly Mossad terrorists who placed a bomb on a Russian passenger jet in Egypt killing hundreds of Russians in the air. 16. Putin agreed to pass sanctions against North Korea thereby agreeing to starve the North Korean population. 17. Putin refused to deliver the self-defense-related S-300s to his supposed ally Iran in the past. 18. Putin has not provided up-to-date SAMs including S-400s to his Syrian allies and prevented the Syrians’ effective use of the older SAMs they have. 19. Putin is still “investigating” the crash of the Russian plane that killed dozens of Russian pilots which were among its passengers. 20. The Zionist oligarchs are still in power in Putin’s Russia. 21. Russians are still not really better off than they were under the Soviet Union. 22. And now Putin and the Russians are enabling the Turks and the Azeris to attempt to commit another genocide of the Armenians.
Thanks Putin.
Who needs enemies with friends and “allies” like the (fake Orthodox Christian) Russians.
“Slav” means slave — of the Frankist Talmudic Jews of course.
These Donmeh Frankist Jews believe that salvation can only be gained through evil. The greater the transgression, the better, these Jews believe. Rape, unbelievable torture of children is the highest good for them.
Turks are happy to oblige the Frankist Donmeh Jews of couse. Ultraviolence is the meaning of life for the Turk.
You failed to provide a credible battle plan on how to stop the IAF attacks just like all of the other blame shifting mental midgets falsely accusing Putin of enabling Israel’s crimes by not doing enough to help Syria when he’s done more than anyone else to help Syria. And has pushed the JWO terrorists back from the gates of Damascus to the Turkish and Jordanian borders and east of the river. Which is continuing.
https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/23feb_Syria-.jpg?x27484
http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2018/02/trump-putin-kosher-nostra.html?m=1
Pointing out Putin obtaining information about Russia’s Jewish adversaries for use in winning the Syrian war against Israel. Doesn’t change your failure to provide a plan to deal with Israeli aggression.
What a lot of nonsense.
It’s called truth, which is something that you obviously have an aversion to.
Thats half true….but Russian military know that Syrian army is incompetent, Imprudent and unprofesional in modern war and also fighting vs terrorist….one example..when Russia smashed a Turkish outpost and Erdogan was ready to retaliate vs SAA…they did not have air defense protecting troops in Idlib…they didnt use MIG 29 to shot down TB2…why? because they needed 3 Days!…to deploy Pantsir in Idlib and to send MIG 29 from Al Dumayr to Shayrat air base in Homs!…another exampe…when Israel send Jets flying low over Lebanon…SAA never send a pair of Mig 29 with the purpose that IAF jets have to take altitude and then S-200 can track them and fire missile!…in NK was another matter!…Pashinyan refused to send just SU 30 flying over Lachin armed with R-27…that plane would have shot down all drones easily!…why didnt do that?..because nobody knows what a CIA agente has in his brain!…
Stop.
The Russians HELPED the Turks and the Azeris to annihilate the Armenians of NK.
The Russians helped the monsters to win.
Meaning
Russians = monsters
Armenia lost the war because they didnt use the SU-30 to shot down drones…they didnt deploy TOR M2 and BUK M1 in NK ( only one TOR-M2 was deployed in Martouni and AZ failed to expel Armenians from there)….lost the war because they didnt intercepted with SU-30 Turkish cargo planes over Georgian airspace…lost the war because he didnt allow SU 25 to support NK troops in Shusha….and for you Russia is guilty?…
Russians forbade the Armenians from using the SU-30s. The Russians told the Armenians they would stand and watch the 90+ million Turks and Azeris massacre the Armenians.
So the Armenians didn’t fly the Russian planes which they couldn’t service nor arm without Russian consent and help.
How stupid can you be?
Who says that Russia dont allowed to use SU-30?…dou you remember when Armenia told that they have been intercepted 5 drones over Armenia sky?…they told that 4 have been shot down..and they were looking for the 5º that finally was shot down…also they told that a SU 30 was scramble to find that drone!…
You are lying.
Armenian flights over Armenia were not forbidden by the Russians like you’re claiming that that is what I said.
The Russians prevented Armenian interceptors to fly outside of Armenia and protect NK’s airspace.
Do you have any proof of that?
Read my new post above.
“You are lying.
Armenian flights over Armenia were not forbidden by the Russians like you’re claiming that that is what I said.
The Russians prevented Armenian interceptors to fly outside of Armenia and protect NK’s airspace.”
I see your opinion, I don’t see any supporting proof like I’ve provided.
The proof is, said planes would have flown most certainly if Russia signaled its support and approval.
That they have not flown proves that Russia objected. Pashinyan is not going to oppose the entire Armenian nation and risk his life for the sake of Soros’ machinations.
That’s your opinion, not proof. Do you have any proof that Russia prevented the Armenian Air Force from flying missions?
If you post a reply without proof. Then that means that you have none.
For people who are not just disingenuous provocateurs,
Facts on the ground constitute proof. No government is going to sign a piece of paper documenting their perfidy.
The facts on the ground that you cite don’t prove that Russia prohibited the use of SU-30s. Only that they weren’t used by Commander and Saboteur in Chief Pashinyan. You’ve provided zero proof from a credible source that the Russians prevented the Armenia Air Force from flying missions.
That they didn’t fly is the proof. The Russians could have gotten rid of Pashinyan two years ago if they really didn’t want him.
The SU-30s are Armenian, not Russian. The Russian planes are at the Russian base. The fact that the SU-30s didn’t fly is Armenia’s fault, not Russia’s. You’ve provided zero proof from a credible source that Russia prevented the SU-30s from flying. Your opinion, with your history of false accusations, blame shifting and credibility deficit isn’t a credible source.
Why Putin and the Jewish oligarchs are TRAITORS to Russia? Read and learn: https://anonhq.com/checkmate-central-bank-russia/
WHY do Putin and the perfidious Russians (just like the Jewish Bolsheviks themselves sold Russian oil for American dollars even at the height of the Cold War!) STILL sell Russian oil for the fake and ILLEGAL MONEY (According to Article 1, Section 10 of the US Constitution) the Americans create out of thin air for FREE, thereby GIVING AWAY Russian oil and propping up America’s main weapon, the PETRODOLLAR? Even the RUSSIAN PRAVDA says it: https://www.pravdareport.com/russia/129285-central_bank_russian_economy/
WHY the gold bought by the Russian central bank does not belong to the Russian people? Because the Russian central bank is controlled by the Rothschilds and takes its orders from the City of London. This was WRITTEN into the Russian Constitution under Yeltsin and Putin NEVER changed it and NEVER nationalized the Russian central bank despite having ostensibly dictatorial powers.
Yeltsin CHOSE Putin as his successor because Yeltsin thought Putin was an idiot (a “cipher” as Yeltsin put it):
http://johnhelmer.net/the-love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name-the-secret-in-the-clinton-yeltsin-papers-which-the-kremlin-spokesman-regrets-to-see-exposed-is-the-love-of-submission/
Putin made it clear that Russia does not recognize Artsakh as Armenian. Putin said Artsakh belongs to Azerbaijan. This clearly means that Russia will not support Armenia in any war over Karabakh, which means Armenian SU-30s will not be supplied with missiles, weapons, fuel, and maintenance if used by Armenia to defend Karabakh. Furthermore, Russia will not fight alongside Armenia in any war over Karabakh which Russia states that it belongs to the Azeris.
That’s a dodge. You’ve provided zero proof from a credible source, because you have none, that Russia prevented the SU-30s from flying. Your opinion, with your history of false accusations, blame shifting and credibility deficit isn’t a credible source.
You’re lying again.
A map is not a rebuttal of the fact that acquiescing to turn 90 percent of the population of your city into an ENEMY population comprised of your Azeri enemies, amounts to surrendering your city to your Azeri enemy.
Anybody who calls this just an opinion after seeing the recent videos of Azeris mutilating and torturing Armenians to death; and the equally horrible deaths Azeri CIVILIANS inflicted on the Armenian civilians in the pogroms of Soumgait and Baku, is a MORON.
You’re making a lot of false accusations. Copy and paste what I’ve written that you claim is a lie and prove it. You can’t so you won’t. This isn’t a lie, it’s fact:
“I see your opinion, I don’t see any supporting proof like I’ve provided.”
Allowing people to return to their homes and property that they were ethnically cleansed from is what the Madrid Principles calls for. Blaming these people for crimes that they didn’t commit is a continuation of your malevolent blame shifting behavior. Arresting the criminals for crimes that they did commit is what Interpol is for.
Disingenuous idiot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_pogrom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom
That’s a dodge. You’ve provided no proof that I lied about anything. You’re the one making false accusations, not me.
Already answered elsewhere.
And your answers didn’t provide any proof that I’ve lied about anything. While I’m constantly outing your lies and disinfo with credible proof that you’ve failed to disprove.
Sorry but SU 30 can shot down all drones flying in NK from Armenia air space….SU-30SM has a powerful ZHUK radar ( 200km) and a IR seeker with thermal camera…R-77M has 180km range and has its own AESA radar.. it is active radar homing guidance….NATO didnt want the possibility that Armenian jets could shot down Turkish NATO F-16 and Pashinyan refused because he is a western Puppet or even worst a CIA agent which have allowed Soros NGO to spread Russophobic in Armenia!
It is unknown what quantity of long-range air-to-air missiles the Armenians had. In any case, no missile such as the R-77M you mentioned can be used to reliably shoot down loitering munitions like the Israeli Harops flying 100kms away, if were that possible at all. Harops are quite small and stealthy. So Armenia’s limited inventory of air-to-air missiles would have been depleted quickly trying to shoot down half a dozen or so Harops. (Granted, they’d have had more success with the bigger Bayraktar drones.)
But the missiles are Russian and can only be used with Russian permission. Get it through your thick head. Russia says NK belongs to Azerbaijan and that therefore Russia will not support Armenia and fight Azerbaijan in a war for Artsakh.
If the Armenians depleted their missiles (assuming the Russians actually delivered those missiles and did not disable them) shooting at drones (with only minimal success), they would have been left defenseless against Turkish F-16s and Azeris SU-30s.
Without Russian assistance, Armenia would have been overrun and its population genocided and forced to flee their lands.
I dont think it is like you are telling….once drones are being shot down..AZ would have face problems to advance….while preserving the SA-8 OSA…AZ air force SU 25 would be away to avoid lost jets..and I dont think that Turkish air force starting to attack Armenia….and even less to risk that some Turkish pilots could have been captured by NK in case of be shot down…
My friend,
The Russians knew exactly how many Turkish planes were there and what they would do.
Those Armenian planes would have flown and attempted to destroy the drones if the Russians acquiesced. That they didn’t fly is proof that Russians said No!
This is the answer of an Antirussian or pro Turks….telling that Russian didnt allow Armenia to use SU-30!….I remember that Pashinyan told that SA-8 system worked well and shot down many drones!…thats not true!…SA-8 only could shot down a few Orbiters and AN-2 planes….but TB2 and Harop were shot down by a single TOR-M2 which was deployed in Martuni and AZ failed to retake that province in East NK and failed to destroy that system using drones…only when was spotted by Special forces using an small Cuadracopter drone with powerful cameras and was hided in a Grain could destroy it….so tell me why Pashinyan didnt deploy TOR-M2 in Hadrut, Shushi, Stepanakert among others?….Russia didnt allow?…
I don’t know if the Armenians had that many more TOR systems. Do you know how many they had? If they only had half a dozen or so, I can understand that they would reserve them for the protection of mainland Armenia. This conflict is far from over. The Turks and the Azeris have made it clear that they will not stop until they genocided all Armenians and took over Yerevan, Sevan and Zangezour.
That’s all of Armenia.
Pashinyan is not a good guy. That’s established by his refusal to step down after his incompetence displayed in the war. I would strongly agree with you, my friend, that Armenians could have fought more effectively and mitigated their losses greatly by hiding and using their armor more like pillboxes with cannons. (Cheap iron/chain link protective cages against aerial drone attacks combined with decoys would have prevented more than half their losses in tanks, IME. That would have forced the Turks and the Azeris to use their F-16s and SU-25s as tank killers which might have forced Russia’s hand as well.)
But many Armenians fought valiantly and perhaps died in vain.
But perhaps not: the courageous young Armenian men who died proved to the world that Russians are treacherous and stupid creatures that cannot be trusted nor relied upon as allies; and that the psychopathic depraved Turks will never change their spots as a leopard never can.
I responded to similar arguments just recently so I won’t repeat them here, thanks.
Please dont try to excude the Armenian military staff….a SU-30SM can track a Harop drone from 100km and the R-77 dont need constant lock on from ZHUK radar of the SU 30 because have its own AESA radar…at least 10 Harop have been shot down by TOR-M2 in Martuni and 5 more by Iran air defense…so radar can see them….the problem with SA-8 is that Harop was flying out of the range of OSA ( 5000mts alttitude)….and from 6000mts Harop makes a dive attack in vertical….so you must to shot down it before drone positioned just above you
It is the Turkish Bayraktar that flies at 6000m altitude, not the Israeli Harop. The Harop’s maximum altitude is 4500 meters and its operational ceiling likely appreciably less:
https://www.iai.co.il/p/harop
I think we said all there was to be said on this matter. It was simply not feasible to shoot down drones with expensive air-to-air missiles which the Armenians didn’t have and/or didn’t control the employment of, for reasons I explained countless times before.
The main impediment was the DE FACTO alliance and collaboration between the Russians and Turks, with the Russians openly failing and betraying their de jure allies, the Armenians.
This has ruined Russia’s reputation and strategic national interests forever.
As the Turk says,
He who falls by himself ought not to cry.
This article is better and giving some technical hints as well.. https://ecfr.eu/article/military-lessons-from-nagorno-karabakh-reason-for-europe-to-worry/
The S-300 and Buk missiles should be capable of hitting drones. Armenia’s Air Defense Force is integrated into Russia’s. As part of defending Russia’s southern border. I’d be surprised if the Armenian radars and launchers aren’t satcom networked to Russia’s computers. Bypassing the ground station’s computers and allowing the systems to be operated from modern computers at the joint air defense control center if the Armenian ground station systems haven’t been upgraded.
Artsakh is only 40 miles wide. A no fly zone could have been put in place from Armenia with the range of the 300s and Buks.
Yes Pashinyan is a traitor and saboteur. Who completely and deliberately mismanaged the war to insure that it was a complete disaster.
Yes Russia needs more drones but don’t forget Russia has the best air defenses against them which Armenian did not have. Those drones would have all been shot down if Armenia had newer Russian defenses like the TOR as Russia has in Syria.
Oh please, stop overhyping drones already. They’re no where near being capable of replacing traditional air power and can only survive against weaker opponents. All the recent Turkish wars of aggression were against 3rd or 2nd rate fighting forces composed mostly of irregulars and conscripts.
If they ever send them in against a capable foe they’d get swatted down like flies.
They “overhyping” drones because paid to do so from producers of Russian drones. While some dorks here jumping on occasion and using this negative article about Russian army to readily declare Russia to be 3rd rate power not comparable with “mighty” Turkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_jf6U_pGoY
Armenia lost the war mostly through it’s own Pashinyan administration wanting to please it’s Soros-CIA connection, not through any real Azerbaijan-Turkish military proficiency.
If you search in Internet “Turkish drones shot down”…there are many Photos of TB2 shot down in Syria, Libya and even in NK…therefore is a drone easy to shot down…..the problem in NK is that SA-8 Osa have limited range ( 5000mts) while TB2 flight is above 6000mts….drones are useless if you have fighterjets on flight( most of the Houttis drones shot down is by F-15 jets Not AD) and a decent air defense…the most important weapon is the long range cruise missile and only Russia( KH-55/101 and USA( Tomahawk) have these kind of weapons..not only the range 2000-5000km..it is the warhead( 500kg) while Loitering drone carry ( 5-15kg)….drones have been useful in NK to attack supply vehicles but AZ loses have been similar ( near 3000 soldiers killed)….I would not say that drones is a deterrence weapon…only who has Nuclear and Hypersonic missile can win a war!
Put it this way updt soviet capability with updated electronics and drills is more than ample(period) For example kweers rant drones,f35,lasers,fake x,reality russia may devastate in world record time! if anything reality is refined beats betas,so to miss valid point proves how miscompreheded (cast) is,what sly pro west funded?:
Armenia:soros/nazi aoutt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYLTuodRfNc
The loitering bombs were actually made in israel i believe, starting from there, the article sounds like garbage
A new class of drones should be developed that are tasked with destroying other drones. An air supremacy drone…