Russia May Provide Air Defense Systems To Syrian Military

Assad should also consider BUK and Pantsir-S1, before S-300 and S-400. If SAA will get overrun by ISIS or FSA, the SAA will not be able remove the system very quickly. As I mention above SAA need more attack helicopter and airplane and better train infantry soldiers. SAA making very basis error. As one example – many time I see they grouping in large number in open or marching as a group. One TOW missile can can destroy substantial SAA soldiers. There are many other mistakes SAA making. Therefore, they need better training

Those two issues are unrelated as SAA faces a range of threats from different opponents. We agree about the short range system, but like long range systems, they all have their place and purpose. The SAA like any group of people consists of individuals who make mistakes. Russians have invested time and equipment in rehabbing several units of the SAA. I think Russian helicopters and aircraft have demonstrated their worth in gold. Everyone always needs better training, and a bj.

Yes, Russia doing good job, but Russia can’t defend Syria for ever. Assad need to sign agreement with Russia on more attack helicopters and better airplane and training and use the training and hardware in this war by SYria forces. Assad have no much time left. If he waits longer there will not be Syria to defend, because americans, Turkey and western establishments will split SYria. War in SYria will not end defeating ISIS or FSA

Assad is doing all these things. Russia is introducing advanced military hardware, and Assad is shopping on the battlefield. I think Assad is moving cautiously because his forces are building up and getting stronger. Re-acquiring capacity to engage on multiple fronts. It would be a mistake to destroy all that progress by moving forward without caution.

The developing situation is currently see in SYria I have to disagree from military strategy and for Syria. If Assad will wait longer to obtain better military hardware and better advances he will loose East Syria the oil and Gas fields and North Syria. I bett very soon you will see ISIS offensive in Palmyra and Deir ad Zor area and another from Jordan. As I mention before this is bandages. Putting bandage in one place, than somewhere else the bandages is needed

I think, in the end SAA prevail. You don’t always get the fight you want, but that doesn’t mean you can not win. SAA is going to be fine against the jihadists, the turks, and ISIS. Trump is going to be too busy in north korea to deal with anything in Syria.

I would not be so sure about Trump gonna be busy with N.K. First he will try set China against N.K.. Remember China has invested over 1.3 trillion in US bond and treasury. US know it and will use it. China will not jump to high against america. Going back to Syria, Longer the war drags on in Syria, there is more suffering on Syria’s civilians. Therefore, I would like to see Assad obtain more and better military hardware I mention above and make large offencive,as a surprise. Going slow does not help

I am with you on the war ending quickly. However, that is not realistic. Isis is losing. FSA will lose, but it will all take time. Iran is heavily invested in Syria, so is Hezbollah, so is Russia. Assad will be fine unless he is assassinated, and even then, the regime will survive. The bigger strategic question is what it means for Syria to survive. If the government has any hope of holding on, after these foreign mercs are defeated, they have to have a trained army. This is what Assad is doing. I agree with you about conventional upgrades, Assad is working on that. The 5th Corps, Tiger Forces are units rebuilt bottom up with new equipment. Fielding new equipment to local militias wouldn’t produce great results as equipment requires training. I also think you underestimate the progress Assad is making. Just prior to this recent FSA suicidal charge in northern hama, SAA had ISIS on the run near Deir Hafer, Palmyrra. Similarly, the rebels are not expanding vis-a-vis SAA, they are taking land from ISIS in the desert, which is fine, another way to look at this is that the number of people SAA has to kill is decreasing. In Dara, it’s a stalemate for now, but from my point of view, the lack of physical contact between Israel and SAA is a good thing.

I hope Assad succeeds and with assistance of Russia, IRAN and Hes** SYria will have strong army and create alliance between Russia, IRAN, Syria, Lebanon, Serbia and maybe N.K

I agree. Also if Syria is headed for partition Assad should consider some type of union with the Shia dominated areas of Iraq.

I think there is already deep cooperation between Iraq and the regional shia and alawites. Evidence is evident in how Shia militias organized and worked together to expel ISIS from Iraq, various political moves such as Iraq allowing the overflight of troops, planes and missiles to fight ISIS as well as other more subtle local election and political clues.

In addition, americans are not sending their troops to help or hand over the East SYria to Assand. They are there to have control and divided Syria. The cal Plan B

Fully right. So short-termed the SAA need more attack helicopters, fighter planes and much better trained infantry soldiers to clean the pockets and to protect the gains. They further on need a big bundle of advanced military hardware and ground troops from Iraq to get a west-east axis to avoid the splitting of Syria by its enemies. S-400s should be esablished with some personnel to avoid further air attacks by USrahell which blaming the syrian army and its moral. Syria needs a plan of co-operation with the Kurds in their northern parts in wartimes and after the war. To keep all the efforts and results Syria must be changed mid-termed in a ME-country of military strength.

You mean Assad’s external threat that pay for the mercenaries. The internal threat has collapsed. Assad’s main threat is the United States and Israel and their vassals Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

You are right. I simply meant to say enemy formations on syrian territory.

nobody saw in real battle action ;)

Are you saying Russia didn’t provide air defenses ten years ago to Syria, get real please. I’m not trying to impress anyone you are trying very hard and failing sadly that with your comment. Don’t state false statements that is all i’m asking. You lied you said 1960s arab narrative yet in 21st century it got strikes where was the air defenses assad claimed 50% of it was destroyed in the war what did he use it before then it let sit and collect dust? I destroyed your argument the end. Believe what you like just don’t sit here and spread BS. Why are you also lying or just assuming I’m pro Israel or US can’t handle people stating the FACTS that you told a LIE? Is that suppose to make my comment invalid as well? You can live in fantasy world all you like with those people who liked your comment, I live in reality and you need to face it. Your funeral if you keep playing illogical games. Also please don’t act like or lecturer that Russia cares for international law they don’t care for it just as much as the US and China buncha of hypocrisy. All those countries only care for international law when it suits their interests to hell with it when it becomes a problem for them.

Hello, Jaime, I am not lying nor am I assuming anything about you. You are some random person who took an issue with one of my statements. You are welcome to label everything I say BS and never respond in the future. The reason you are confused by my statement is because you are, and I say this meaning no offense, ignorant of the events I am describing and why they are significant. As part of my Monday pro bono, I am going to waste 3 minutes of my life responding to your rude and irrelevant comment. The reason I cite the 1960s, was because, during several major conflicts in the 60s, the poorly trained Arabs ran from various advanced soviet equipment instead of using it to turn Israeli air force into recycling materials. I could go into details and explain what happened and what was learned, but the sum and substance of the lesson were that when you deploy advanced military equipment, you send your own people to train the customers. With respect to your citing of various 2003, 2009 and other Israeli attacks on Syria, which are all indisputable crimes under international law, this has nothing to do with either the initial comment or the later comment. The fact is that the S3XX+ system was never tested against American, or cruise missiles, or Israelis for that matter. You may be some random ignorant, so I don’t know what you are and are not aware of, but the Syrians are not running from their s300 or s200 system when Israelis enter Lebanese airspace(illegally), nor are systems such as the s-300 suitable for shooting down missiles or threatening enemy aircraft over another country (also illegal). Countries unlike Israel and Unites States, like Russia for example, places that respect sovereignty and airspace do not shoot down Israeli aircraft over other countries. This, and this alone is the only reason Israeli planes continue to habitat the skies and their aggression against the Syrian unimpeded. Every person on this forum has read newspaper articles about Israel supporting various terrorists and bombing facilities in other countries. Contrary to your ridiculous statements, everyone here knows the utter destruction that would rain upon the Israeli air force, if they threatened a target protected by the S-300. Firing long range satellite guided missiles from other countries does not make an invincible air force my amigo. Now don’t bother responding again, you don’t know much and I don’t care to educate you.

The same thing. Jews read the Talmud, the Zionist read the Talmud. Theodor Herzl the rabbinical family who also organized the first Zionist Congress in Basel in 1897. History tells the truth, hollywood tells the lies.

Torah was given to the Jews by God in Mt Sinai, they did not keep it, instead they used it as a crutch to identify and glorify their “privilege”. To follow the Torah means you need a temple to sacrifice for a variety of matters, Jews do not have a Temple currently, subsequently the ordinances outlined in the Torah cannot be kept. The word Jew is synonymous to Abraham who was chosen of God and maintained a good relationship with God; Jews in a biblical sense are those that keep the commandments of God and do well and are a light to the world.

Jews that do not keep the commandments of God, and glorify on their “privilege” are zionists used by Satan to further his agenda. Caiphas who was the High priest who condemned Jesus to die, because of “blasphemy” was a typical zionist along with those in the Sanhedrin that supported his sentence

Jews that do not keep the commandments of God and do evil are Zionists.

Jews are a race not a religion. They don’t act like a religion but a blood-related ingroup. Let’s stop muddying the waters with bullshit books that they don’t believe in themselves – it’s the talmud not torah that dictates their rules.

Jews are a race that was given the Torah to guide their every day life. So what if they do not believe in Torah, they created a duplicate Talmud, theat circumvents the divine guidelines of the Torah. Because they relied on the Talmud, they rejected in Jesus and have been driven out of the promised land, until recently.

Talmud was written after Jesus, in 6th or 7th century I believe.

Before Jesus the Jews had a rabbinical writings that humanized and diluted the Torah, emphasis being on outward religious expression, example keeping the sabbath, things you can do and cannot do during the sabbath, keeping of feasts and many other ordinances governing Jewish life. One of the major problems Jewish religious leaders had with Jesus was Him healing on sabbath day.

These rabbinical writings can be compared to contemporary progressive translations of the Bible, making them acceptable for the day and age.

Thanks, that’s a solid insight that I lacked. Can you recommend me some book on the period after the destruction of the second temple?

I do not know of any specific books written about Jews in Israel after the destruction of the Temple, Josephus was a Jew and he documented the events with a positive slant for the Romans. If you read Roman historians about events in the eastern part of their empire, it might shed some information.

Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD by the Romans, whereby they carried the remnant of the Jews that were not killed in the war as captives throughout the Roman Empire. Many were slaves, the well to do were treated a little better. A remanant of Jews remained in Judaea, although their significance was rather limited since the Temple and most of the countryside was destroyed. They ceased to exist as a Jewish entity after 100 years or so.

The Jews that were taken captive as slaves some could have bought out their freedom, altough I do not have reliable information regarding their numbers, possibly half a million captives.

Like the Babylonian captivity 586BC, many of the Jews taken to Babylon acclimated to that culture, and decided to stay there even though a decree from the Persian monarch allowed them to return to Judaea. I am sure the same pattern followed with their captivity throughout the Roman Empire, at that time the Roman Empire extended from the Iberian peninsula to Asia Minor.

As far as the written anecdotal law devised by rabbis throughout their history, it became increasingly evident after the Babylonian captivity where the Torah was interpreted from various theological/political standpoints. This was prevalent during Jesus’ ministry and caused a major conflict between Jesus and the religious leaders of His day.

Here is a sample of His denounciations: Matt.23

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, [2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: [3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. [4] For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. [5] But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, [6] And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, [7] And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. [8] But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. [9] And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. [10] Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. [11] But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. [12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. [13] But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. [14] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. [15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. [16] Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! [17] Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? [18] And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. [19] Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? [20] Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. [21] And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. [22] And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. [23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. [24] Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. [25] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. [26] Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. [27] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. [28] Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. [29] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, [30] And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. [31] Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. [32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? [34] Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: [35] That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. [36] Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. [37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! [38] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. [39] For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Thats rubbish.

You have the same in Islam where You also right now are fighting about which are the right muslims and many muslims seems not even to be the right ones.

Well, and jews came first, next where the ones with Jesus and next was Muhammed & Co. Of course many jews are just like Christians and Muslims. They dont like the others – and everybody hates BAAL – just like Moses.