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UPDATE: Russian Military: IL-20 Was Shot Down By Syrian S-200 Because Of Israeli F-16s Used It As Cover
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A Russian Il-20 surveillance plane with 14 servicemen on board disappeared over the Mediterranean Sea on September 17 during an Israeli strike on the war-torn country, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
“On September 17, at about 11:00 Moscow time, the connection with the crew of the Russian Il-20 aircraft was lost over the Mediterranean Sea when the plane was returning to the airbase of Khmeimim, 35 kilometers from the coast of Syria,” a defense ministry official told media.
He emphasized that “the mark of IL-20 went off the radars disappeared during the attack of four Israeli F-16 aircraft on Syrian targets in the province of Latakia.”
“At the same time, the Russian radars fixed missile launches from the French frigate Auvergne, which was in that area,” the defense ministry added.
The fate of the Russian servicemen is unknown. Russian forces deployed at Khmeimim Air Base are carrying out a search and rescue operation.
CNN already claimed citing anonymous sources that the IL-20 was shot down by the Syrian Air Defense Forces repelling a strike on the country.
“A Russian maritime patrol aircraft with multiple personnel on board was inadvertently shot down by Syrian regime anti-aircraft artillery on Monday after the Syrians came under attack by Israeli missiles, according to a US official with knowledge of the incident.
The US official said the regime was actually trying to stop a barrage of Israeli missiles. A second official confirmed that Israel was responsible for the missile strikes on the Syrian regime,” CNN said in its article on the issue providing no evidence to confirm these claims.
However, it’s highly expected that this version will become one of the key narratives in the mainstream media coverage of the incident.
The IL-20 surveillance plane is an Electronic Intelligence (ELINT) platform, equipped with a wide range of antennas, infrared and optical sensors. Considering a wide usage of anonymous sources “with knowledge of the incident” it’s also possible to suggest using the same kind of sources that the plane may have been shot down by Israel or its allies accidentally or to limit Russian capabilities to provide sensetive data to the Syrian military during the attack.
On September 17, the Syrian city of Latakia came under a large-scale aerial attack, which targeted a power station as well as two facilities belonging to the Syrian military. The Syrian state media said that the missiles came from the sea adding that a high number of them was intercepted. However, according to photos and videos, some missiles hit their targets.
Rest in peace heroes. Your loss will be avenged.
Really? What will Russia do if the French frigate or Israeli F-16 shot it down? Oh, sure, they’ll talk about how “unacceptable” it is. That’ll teach ’em! lol
the west is already lost under pedophile psychopaths therefore its inferior inhabitants will live in mind misery, they already live, this is their punishment ;) Slavs and Asians have happy lives unlike inferior west where money mean everything ;) Despite all that majority of inventions are made among Slavic or Asian nations nowadays but we do it for love for life not just for money and property ;)
IL-20 was lost because of a sneak attack by Israel and France. Idiot Netanyahu may be pissing his pants right now. :D https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13a2a669997878cbca9df9d1508baafc9382cc62c7bba04c23ef7f1984183643.png
Russia will like Iran warned verbally that’s all. Nothing can be done
Why respond in a typical predictable way? Why give israel the justification it seeks? Why take the bait in an obvious trap?????
No, there are other ways of doing things.
Haha, the fact that “CNN” was already trying to shift the blame onto Syria before an investigation has been carried out makes it very obvious that the Zionist regime is responsible for this act of illegal aggression against Russia.
And what is Russia gonna do?
Bwahahahaha
True, Russia has not shown much resolve and even caved it to Erdogan on Idlib. This will only embolden US and NATO even more and is ominous to Russia itself as NATO has smelled weakness. If Russians are unwilling to fight, they should withdraw from Syria and let the headchoppers take over and have fun with Europe.
u know the same forces that tried a coup on turkey that was defeated then the purge began in Turkey?in which i am proud of em for that i might add r the same bad guys who r funding this war and thats the rothschilds we all know macron is a rothschild slave well admit it..we all know trump is a rothschild slave too
You know you can throw all the insults you like, but at the end of the day Russia and its allies are winning, and the US and its allies are losing, all losers.
Sadly, Russia is in collusion with Zionists who have attacked Syria with impunity 300 times and killed many Russians, Syrians and Iranians. The shameful fact is that Russians have proven either inept or cowardly. The US marines wiped out 250 plus Russians from the Wagner group in eastern Euphrates valley and Russia did nothing. 200 US marines have scared off Russia at al-Tanf. Russians lost in Afghanistan because of wavering policies, lack of resolve of the aging Politburo more like Putin’s actions today. He is grovelling at Erdogan’s feet and that is shameless. There will now be more audacious Zionist and NATO attacks on Syria and Russians will be targeted as they have proven to be cowards and the S-400 are duds. The world is laughing at Russia.
250 from the wagner group ? that fake still floats around … lol .. you pathetic troll.
Even Russian media acknowledged that. You can google it. Even the Turkeys shot down Russian flying dishwasher SU-24 in Syrian airspace with an F-16 and Russia did nothing. Thanks to Hezbollah at least one Russian pilot was rescued. Now even Hezbollah has pulled out of Syria as it is fed up with Russian duplicity and wavering. Syria is now effectively partitioned and Turkeys will never leave Idlib and the Kurds now have all of Euphrates valley. This Zionist/French attack on Latakia, home of Russian bases is the most audacious so far. Russia will do NOTHING as usual.
Nonsense, russian media not acknowledge anything about the 200 men, cause it is a lie. I’ve gogled it back then and all i could find about 200 men were the western reports that always started like, according to some anonymous sourc and bla bla bla, it seems also that they number grows by the time, first it was 100, lol. Turkey has shot down a plane and Russia made it pay for it, first economically and then they bombed a group of the spec ops. Why do you think they have changed their course and west tried to remove erdogan with a coup. Kurds might be in the valley with all of the oil but they are like a in a locked vault with gold, they can’t really do much and are forced to work with Syrian govmnt’and russian companies to extract the oil, further, they are surrounded by countries that hate them and want to see them gone. As far as for Idlib, nothing is over there, i remember demilitarized being all over southern Syria, where are they now ?
Russian response to the attack on Latakia won’t be a tit for tat, it’s is going a lot more expensive than that and they will feel it :).
‘…and Russia did nothing.’
Are you stationed at the Russian airbase in Lakatia? The Russian’s likely openly tracked – and painted – every Turkish warplane remotely approaching the Syrian border thereafter. NATO noticeably reduced its flight presence around western Syrian-Turkish border area thereafter – the German’s packed up and went home.
Russia has already liberated 90% of the country but I agree, we need to seriously kick some ameriKKKan ass because they’re begging for it.
What’s so funny stupid Nazi/terrorist lover? Do you support and love terrorists like your garbage government does???
I mean what the hell is wrong with you? What is wrong with any garbage who roots for terrorists?
I’m laughing because you dopes hype up Russia to be a big tough unstoppable power and they’re cowards with junk weapons getting humiliated every other day in Syria
Unfortunately I have to agree, even though I am no fan of US warmongering. Russia has been playing the Arabs since the Zionists occupied Palestine, it was the first country to recognize the occupation of Palestine. Russia provided third rate weapons to Egypt and then even backed down. Russians have no credibility what so ever. The US will now turn up the heat on Russians in the region.
Keep thinking that if it cheers you up. The reality is very far from this.
The strength of a country and of its people is not that they don’t get knocked down, but that they can absorb the hit and get up again. Russia is far better able to do that than the US, which has gotten soft by fighting opponents who do not have the capacity to strike back.
Up till now they Made Very Very Clear what a Fucking Cockroaches you people are…..
Russia did stop your headchoppers. Russia did shoot 100’s of cruise missiles down.
What have your bunch accomplished??
Stopping iranian influence???
Hardly not.
Trying to provoke russia to start war…failed…again.
You sir are hardly a patriot. You are in fact a traitor. No american patriot would support any of this nonsense. Supporting terrorists to overthrow countries.
You guys cant even stand up for yourselves anymore.
Since when does being a patriotic american means israeli interests are more important than america?
Bitch please.
The only thing Russian could shoot down is their own planes lol
They got humiliated a few hundred yards from an S400 battery which is weak junk
You avoided the point entirely. You are supporting terrorists. What is your major malfunction? What kind of “human” garbage supports head chopping terrorists, terrorists who eat organs, rape women and children, put Christians on crosses, the the worse savages.
Explain what kind of stupid worthless garbage creep supports terrorists and stop clucking about other things. Fact is your stupid behind is behind terrorists and that make you a crackpot, a barbarian, low class trash not a patriot. Wait until these creeps come and find you and I hope they do. I hope you meet a head chopper on a dark street corner some night.
Lel Russia is weak bitch shit
You wish, stupid terrorist loving trashbag. Why don’t you be all brave and go chop off some heads. But noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, you’re a coward a stupid little Nazi that plays with his weewee because no one else will.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/17/the-united-states-is-a-dead-man-walking/
The game is long. Russia was there long before the Europeans even set foot in America. Russia survived Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin. I’ll wager one plane being shot down by whomever is not going to make them come unstuck.
Americans are deluded in thinking everyone thinks and behaves like they do.
As an ex sailor, I was truly shocked by American sailors openly crying when they were captured by Iran. Not the sort of behavior I expect from a MAN.
I was shocked when Turkey shot down a Russian jet with 0 military retaliation
Paper tiger!
Lmao
Russian Air Force is easy pickings :D
You want your War real Bad Right? Hasbara-Boy….I hope you’ll get it…
Nothing…. but I Hope Your IsraHell will Burn sooner or Later….the Personification of all that is EVIL….
How’s the weather in Tel Aviv?
I noticed that too. “according to a US official with knowledge of the incident”
At least cnn admitted israel was bombing Syria.
Its no a question of admitting or not. Here – again – its what You expect. CNN brings what it can,
You are not allowed to have any idea about how sober CNN is compared to others. And why always only CNN. Why cant You use the many other TV systems from there.
cnn – is not a news service.
Anyone that thinks it is – is an adult toddler. American journalism died in 2001.
It’s a plausible cause, however, bottom line is that the Zionists should keep their planes down. The Russians have all reasons to become quite angry with them, let’s hope this has some consequences to that effect
There 1.5 million fake Russian “Jews” in occupied Palestine, including the fat stupid defence minister Lieberman. Putin is very chummy with Nutter Yahoo. Putin’s mom was supposedly a Jew, so don’t expect Russia to do anything.
I doubt this will go unanswered. https://www.rt.com/news/438686-syria-russia-s200-il20/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications
Putin and others are not commanders of them. We too often see people here think Assad is commander ogf the Russian Forces and they have same agenda.
It’s unlikely it went down due to friendly fire. What AA batteries were involved, likely Pantsirs. These would not mistake an Il-20 for an enemy fighter. Rather, the Ilyushin was shot down by the aggressor in order to proceed. Well, an older system like S-200 might have done it? If it was Israel, the US has every reason to obscure that fact. The US is interested in Israel destroying Iranian assets, not a full-blown confrontation between Russia and Israel. Despite the warmongers clamouring here and elsewhere, Russia’s calm, pondered responses are a blessing. Unlike the US, they will gather real intelligence first. Israel tries to provoke, things aren’t going well for them: Iranian presence near their borders, Turkey and Russia striking peaceful deals instead of delacerating each other. The US and their Kurdish allies losing ground. If Russia/Syrian regime and Turkey can come to an agreement, that bodes ill for the de facto Kurdish controlled Jazeera. Here, Israel would lose yet another ally. A rash reaction is that last thing needed right now.
https://www.rt.com/news/438686-syria-russia-s200-il20/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications
Yes, I noticed and commented on that… unfortunately, my comment didn’t survive for more than a few minutes. RT only makes a case for Israel “creating a dangerous situation” and that the aircraft was downed during an Israli “missile operation”. You can’t appease more. Clearly, Russia takes no stance whatsoever against the Israeli aggression per se.
They try hard to de-escalate the situation. The IFF system wouldn’t misstake an Il20 for an F16. Also the Russian statement: “The actions of the Israeli military were not in keeping with the spirit of the Russian-Israeli partnership, so we reserve the right to respond.”, does’t alter the Russian-Israeli partnership. They play it down, and try hard not to become the patsy for world war 3…
“Russia takes no stance whatsoever” – you might think so because the Russian response isn’t the emotional with the “head through the wall” type. But I can guarantee you, there will be a response. I’d be surprised the Israeli’s will do further attacks any time soon; the Russian S400s most likely are on full alert now ;)
Putin will soon leave Syria because he is not capable of defending Syrians as well as its own army forces. US and UK shows and prove that nobody can mess with them because they have stooges like Israel in every single country even in Russia. Those that using US and UK currencies and have soft corner for them and for their stooges like Israel then they cannot win war. The country leader should be strong enough in their decisions without any excuse. In the start of Syrian war Russia took wrong steps as they have taken in Afghanistan war for example he invited US and NATO to come and play their roll in liberation of Syria. What Putin think that US and NATO regimes think like him. That they will liberate Syria and will give it to Syrian nation. No way. Now it is complete chaos. Before Russian allied with Syrian and Syrians were at winning side and US and NATO were losing but when Putin invited US and NATO to Syria to come and play their role then US and NATO got business in Syria.
As usual there are total dark in Your area. Bothe USA dollars and Brittish pound are very big all over.
In that You compare them with hardly notning.
The 3 last line of Yours make no sense. They are not even in calender as well as history book.
But it turn out that they were telling true news for once LOL. Some US Officials told CNN that they intercepted some Syrian communications that they hit something that wasn’t a missile or fighter jet, and they were dispatching emergencies services on that spot to search and rescue. That is what the US official told CNN. But ye it’s true it turned out that Syrian S-200 shot the plane, poor people though, rest in peace, you died for nothing, and your country Russia and it’s president will never avenge you, because as usual Putin will still call the Americans and Nato and everyone of those scums “Our Partners, Our Colleagues”, and Putin will never retaliate, always on words never in action.
Israel have fuelled this war. If Putin is not tough then it will give chance to US and NATO to become tough in this war game. The Israeli advise and friendship will lead Russia to losing side.
Putin should be tough with US, NATO and with their stooges Israel, ISIS, Al-Qaeda etc. No negotiation on any matter. Russia could call back their all diplomats from US, NATO, UN, Geneva and Israel. Enough is enough. No more excuses.
Here we go again! The Western Vassal States (NATO) of the Anglo – American Zionist Bankster – Corporatist Cabal will never give up their agenda in Syria and will do all they can to support their ISIS affiliated and funded groups such as HTS rather than see them wiped out in the Idlib pocket and admit defeat. I’ll bet Israel or the French Frigate shot down the Russian aircraft for the reasons intimated above.
US/Zionist and NATO stooges agenda is to humiliate Russia and show that it is impotent. Russia needs to act or it will be destroyed. They should hand over modern weaponry to Iran and Hezbollah if Russians are unwilling to fight. Russia has lost over 400 soldiers and contractors so far and has not retaliated once and that has emboldened the US/Zionist hyenas.
You fail to see the big picture :) https://www.rt.com/business/438606-peskov-us-dollar-currency/
Dollar is going down the drain. Last spasms …
I am from Missouri SHOW ME state so I will believe it when I see it. Russian economy is smaller than Italy’s and shrinking. Russia is a primitive third world isolated country that is even scared of Turkeys.
You actually believe the propaganda bullshit that Russia has a 3rd world economy? If you believe that BS, then I have a few pyramids to sell to you!
Yeah yeah, small, isolated, drunk and dirty and what not … still kicking your arses every time imho. According to your media and politicians we should have died out, isolated and broken economy by now, on the contrary
we have started developing other areas https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-16/russia-is-exporting-more-wheat-than-any-country-in-25-years
This crisis has been a good kickstarter for us to get the country out of them slumber, your snactions have been most useful.
And as i see it … your country has got a massive debt that you will never be able to repay, you have invested massively in occupying the world with the hopes to pick fruits later from it, 800+ military bases around the world are really expensive and now you are being blocked from total world domination you are freaking out, slapping sanctions and import tarifs on everyone, china, eu. Hoping to get some of the money back, i guess the world is not what it seems, you have been exploited and now you can enjoy your debt cause i’m pretty sure that nobody wants to take the heat for you.
Oh please thats bullshit buddy.
What kind of primitive third world country has a top notch space program??
Or then you say russia does t make any goodnproducts just junk…
Well i was checking air pressure on my Nokian Tyres yesterday, these are the best rubbers i ever baught btw, and surprise surprise…made in russia.
You just showed me your missouri ignorance right there bucko.
Your attitude and prejudices just outed you as either a disinfo agent or a morron.
Ill give you benefit of doubt and say your a disinfo agent.
This is a disappointing and childish comment. If you’re going to comment on this site, where some very good commentary is made, at least make sensible and not childish and, to a large extent, totally ignorant comments.
Eventually worthless toilet paper.
You’re reacting in exactly the manner the Israeli’s and US CIA / British SIS want you to; i.e., emotionally. If Putin did what you wanted he would play into the hands of his enemies and would, therefore, be predictable. To beat these swine at their game one has to be patient and calm and play the longer game. They are making small tactical gains but are loosing the war. Eventually, their actions will destroy their own positions and they will lose big time. While the loss of the plane and more importantly its crew is serious, to react imprudently would be a mistake. Putin is moving air defence equipment / assets into Syria to strengthen the air defences and technically upgrade them over the old S200 batteries so that target selection is better defined to search for typical weaker stealth profiles which characterise Israeli warplanes. Eventually, Israel will make a mistake. Further, Syria and Russia could establish a no fly zone that extends offshore Syria for up to 100km. Watch what happens. I sympathise with your commentary.
So, first it was an attack “if chemical weapons are used” then it was “if any attack is made” now it appears to be “even if you don’t give us any excuse”, it’s almost like there are US elections coming up or something…
Now there should be hell to pay. That was the equivalent of shooting down a USAF AWACS, or a Navy P-8. 19 men wasted for what? Just like the USS Liberty – Israel kills everyone in range when attacking its neighbors.
Oh my my my, then where is the plane, how come the Russians can’t still find it, oh it will be catastrophe if the Syrian Air Defense Shot it LOL. But if the Zionists shot it well if now Russian didn’t retaliate if its for sure the Israelis, then maybe Russia should go out from Syria. I mean come on, how many Jets Russia has to lose to take retaliatory action, how come whenever Israel wants to bomb Syria they just go over Lebanon and they bomb what the hell they want in Syria. I don’t know, this stinks a lot.
From what I have been told, it was out of range of Syrian air defense.
That’s the problem, I personally wish this to be Syrian mistake, but in the end Israel and France are sending Russia a message and if Russia don’t retaliate they will be bullied this way always. And from Russian history we know that Russia never retaliates. So…
Oh Russia will retaliate, that’s why I don’t think Israel did it, they know the Russians. The French well their vanity and arrogance always has exceeded their intelligence. But the revenge will come in a way and time that suits Russia.
Exactly 20 miles out to sea, just out of Syrian air space. Can you imagine Israel etc if Syria fired missiles into international air space? But that won’t stop the western media convincing their moron readers that their BS version is true.
“how come the Russians can’t still find it,” It’s still dark. Thinking is not something you do much is it?
Sunrise on Syrian coast was 3 hours before your post.
Also, the black box emits a ping to help find it. Not sure of the Med depth at the point of loss
Russia is pussy
White American Patriot is an idiot. :0 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c2322cbd49ca5e7b7e2d2dddb8a38acf3015cc26d7a71d7b661d691dc0da151e.jpg
You are an absolute fucking dunce. Go shit in the corner with your Dunces hat
Why is he wrong? What will Russia do about it, in your opinion? Please make a prediction. He predicted Russia will only whine. Your’s is? In two weeks, let’s come back and see who was correct.
There’s Professional Wrestling on Pay Per View right now – and you’re missing it.
I really want to kill Israeli and French piticians people now.
if it’s shut down by enemy, Russia won’t retaliate.like 2015 su-24 incident.
Russia is a third world country with a very cowardly army. People forget that even Afghans chased out and defeated the USSR and it collapsed.
Russia’s army is NOT cowardly and the Afghans did not chase USSR out. The USSR left the fighting to locals who prevailed for quite some time until ameriKKKan garbage overwhelmed them. Leaving fighting to locals is something ameriKKKan trash knows nothing about. Like cockroaches, once they get in you can never get rid of them. Don’t think that anyone should go by such standards.
Russia is not a third world country, I suspect where you come from is more properly called a 3rd world country.
Dumb Nazi.
Leaving fighting to locals is something ameriKKKan trash knows nothing about.
So please explain Libya and Syria. (Going through history there are many more examples … including Afghanistan, see below).
the Afghans did not chase USSR out
They most certainly did. With help of Stinger missiles, of course; war was becoming very unpopular at home with all the losses (lives and money). Sure USSR propped up the Afghan Army, which is largely what US is doing now (only about 14,000 US troops remain in Afghanistan; there were over 100,000 at their peak, which were, of course, also supplemented by many “local forces”, which did most of the ground fighting against the Taliban even in 2001).
Repeating your bullcrap doesn’t make it true this time around, loser.
What about Libya and Syria? Two cases of naked ameriKKKan aggression, of using terrorists in order to destroy a country….history repeats.
Medvedev the dumb Atlanticist dropped the ball there. Syria is unfinished business since ameriKKKan garbage never knows when to quit.;
USSR was fighting together with the afgans against international terrorists forces supported by the USA
OK, honestly, this use of “terrorism” forces is way out of line. Sure they were radical “Muslims” – but Bolsheviks were radical “atheists”. Every revolutionary group can be labeled terrorist. It is not helpful.
When these “terrorists” won, they became the Taliban and ruled Afghanistan. Governments, even if tyrannical, are not “terrorists”. Terrorists are small groups which use violence to advance a political cause and attack innocent targets. The mujahadeen fought a war against USSR because they hated Communism, much as you may love it.
Mujahedins fighting against soviet and Afgan goverment forces with US support in 1980s were definatelly radical terrorists groups.
No, they weren’t.
Yes they were, come on now. Iran Contra exposed that affair.
Lie somewhere else please.
Iran Contra exposed what? That CIA funded the mujahadeen? That’s not disputed. The question is whether groups like Taliban are “terrorists” or just a political party you don’t like. It’s definitely the latter.
Spread your nonsense brainwashed propaganda to your fellow maroons who swallow ignorant claptrap that you like to spread.
Initially the US paid people to commit terror attacks within Russia, The Russians did not invade until 1979, 2 years after the US operation began, which was to draw the Soviets into a war.
Brzezinski has admitted it, he is proud of it.
He has admitted what? The US role? Or that the mujahadeen were “terrorists”?
What is the difference between a “terrorist” and a “freedom fighter”? Is the test whether you agree with the group’s politics?
E.g., how are the DNR/LPR “rebels” different from the Afghani “rebels”? Sure some Muslims were helping the Afghanis but sure some Slavs are helping “Novorussia”.
There simply is no principled distinction, you just label ones you like as “hero” and “freedom fighter” and ones you don’t as “terrorist”.
You might be able to argue that blowing up children in your own country qualifies as a freedom fighter, but when yo go to another country, kill children and then retreat back to your own country you are a terrorist.
Blowing up children? Well there are lots of groups operating in Syria. Who has blown up the most children? Are you saying all the rebels in Idlib want to blow up children? Do you even know what you’re saying? I don’t think so, I think you are just spreading nonsense like all the other brainwashed “Westerners” who think their s*t don’t stink.
America does the same thing, al nusra=freedom fighters=fsa=isis= terrorists.
You guys can keep playing semantics here, or, call it how it is.
Israel are fucking thieves, and they are trying to start ww3.
Russia wont take the bait because russia does not need war to survive. The west needs war to survive.
We the people do not want war!!!!
Who are you to decide what is or isn’t terrorism?
What, are you sane? Who are you to decide, and tell me I can’t? F you.
I didn’t decide. But I have never heard a definition that terrorists must be a small group and can not be governments.
US has been fighting Taliban & they are doing no better after 17 years – Afghanistan has been a graveyard for lots of empires down the centuries. Even the British suffered defeats there
It suits America to keep the conflict going, if the US withdrew, the Taliban would stamp out heroin production, which is a major part of the CIA budget.
[Afghani heroine] is a major part of the CIA budget.
It’s only a $3 billion / year industry, and a good amount of that money goes to the growers (this part goes to peasants), the money launderers (this part goes to banks), the shippers (this part largely goes to CIA) and the dealers (this part goes to local criminals). So maybe CIA can make $500M per year – out of a US intelligence budget of over $70 billion (of which CIA alone gets about $30 billion) and “war/security” budget of over $1 trillion. That $500M doesn’t even pay for the Afghanistan occupation costs. (Note I don’t disagree that CIA makes some money here, but it’s clearly not “a major part of the CIA budget”.)
No doubt the heroine is intended for another purpose.
Consider for example the impact of abundant heroine on Iran. Think about the Opium Wars.
You fail to mention an important point, and I willing to say you did this on purpose.
The point is: you can downplay the amount all you want, the real issue is this is money being moved around that is not monitored by congress or the senate. You have a branch of the government that is un accountable to the people.
And your fine with this???
BS the heroin industry is over $100 billion a year, and cocaine, the other drug the US pushes is $130 billion a year.
Why did cocaine production increase in Columbia, after the DEA moved in.
Why did heroin production increase during the Vietnam war, and rapidly decline once the US was defeated.
The Taliban almost eradicated poppy growing in Afghanistan, then the US invaded and production soared to record levels.
The US has controlled global supplies of opium and cocaine since WWII.
The US is a drug dealer.
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/technical_series_1998-01-01_1.pdf
http://www.drugwardistortions.org/distortion19.htm
OK, I was partially wrong, but so are you.
According to the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, the same agency you cite, the 2007 value of Afghan opium exports was $4 billion (which is where I got my amount). Your reference is to the street value of the drugs, which was estimated in the report you linked from $50-641 billion globally for all heroine and opium. But that report was published in 1998 and the numbers were from 1995.
In 2008, UNODC estimated the global opium/heroine market at $65 billion street value (Fig. 8), of which $10 billion is opium (p. 42, “Value of the trade”), leaving $55 billion for street level heroine sales.
Because of the wide availability of prescription opiates (mainly harvested in the Golden Triangle region), the market for heroine has decreased substantially even from 2008.
But my main point is, there is only so much money available for the “shipping” component of the drugs, and the CIA does not even have a monopoly on that. Most of the money is made by the tiers of street dealers and by the banks who launder the money. So I have no doubt that organized crime is behind the drug trade, but it’s mainly banks that profit from it.
WHY do I smell the usual Hasbara/JIDF garbage in here with this type of comment?
Like i told you earlier, i wont be lazy and copy paste like you did.
Russia has a top notch space programm and aerospace industry.
Its you who is the fascist here buddy.
Who the fuck are you to call other counrties third world or whatever fucking lingo of the day. You look down on other countries and other peoples?
Your a filthy fascist, thats what you are.
Obviously shot down. Russia quiet . Can’t do anything but most likely quietly retaliate in some form .
Russia is weak and the facade is coming off. They should just arm Iran and Hezbollah with their most modern weapons and leave. Putin’s popularity has really gone down as US sanctions are biting. Russia can not even pay its pensioners and is increasing pension age, let alone bear the cost of half hearted support for Syria. The Zionists have hit near the Russian base in Latakia with impunity today, it was cleared with US before the strike. The French also hit with missiles. The IL-20 was downed by a US or French missile.
No Russia is not weak, it just don’t have the balls to attack any of these countries like Israel, because if they did, the US will help and nuclear war will start. No one want to start Nuclear War especially Putin.
if nobody wants to start a nuclear war, why do you think US will start it?
Anyway in this context nuclear war is least likely to start, because, Russia would use a few nukes to utterly destroy Israel and New York City. Why would Israel risk that due to Russian proportionate punishment of their crimes? Makes no sense.
Because they don’t think before they act, they just scramble the jets and start to attack Syrian targets like its a practise targeting inside in Israel.Nuclear war is very easy to escalate, for Israel 2-3 nukes with 2 megatons are enough, hit Tel Aviv and other coastal cities and the country will be paralyzed, Israel territory is 30,000km2. But it very likely that Russia will use a nuclear weapons, they stated that earlier even if they are attacked with conventional weapons they will retaliate with nuclear strike. So the point is Russia will only respond in nuclear because otherwise they cannot afford to attack and win battle if its an offensive, but if Russia is attacked home they will not use them, 95% they will use all conventional weapons, and tell me why Russia never retaliates against no one when their jets are been shot etc etc. Why? From what are they afraid. Look at Israel as I said a country of 8 million small as 30000km2 they attack everywhere where they want. Above Russian bases in Syria, they attack where there is Russian advisers and etc.My point is how can one disgusting country as Israel can just go attack anywhere in mid east and attack when they want, and a global force as Russia cannot attack once, not even the Turks when they shot their jet, not even when the americans killed some Russians in Deir Ez Zor and many places. Why Russia is so closed and isolated when comes to retaliatory measures. Oh yes and one more thing why now and from where the fuck these French ships started to attack Syrians just like that together with coordinated attack with the zionists.
There’s no reason for Russia to attack Israel with nukes. Everything they have used to bomb Syria can also be used to bomb Israel. An airfield is not very large. Send 100 cruise missiles and some will get through. Then put Israel on strict notice, no more bullshit or it’s a declaration of war, come what may. For Russia to declare war they do not have to invade Israel, just sink their ships, blow up their airplanes, etc. It can all be done from Russia.
Russia is not a world power, it is not even a regional power. Even Iran does more to defend itself. Israel does vastly more, not in defense, but as aggression, as war crimes. So does US, UK and France.
To some point you are right, if Russia was a REAL world power they wouldn’t going to take any shit from anyone they would just splash things and no one could have done nothing to them. TRUE
The leadership garbage in the west wants a nuclear war very badly, wake up. They actually think they will survive and everything will be hunky dorey.
“wake up”, lol! Hey, genius, if they wanted a nuclear war they could start it right now, even better for them with no warning.
Do you even think a little before you … never mind.
By the way, if Russia does not respond, Israel, US and France will just keep shooting down planes. One after another. Until Putin finally gets the hint and runs away with his tail tucked between his legs.
Or do you think Russia’s brave response of whining would signal Russia’s resolve in Syria and prevent any further attacks (propaganda, economic, and kinetic)?
Because frankly I see Russia getting beat up pretty darn badly. All those economic sanctions; the Skripal and Syrian CW tall tales; now two Russian planes shot down; etc.
Well maybe we will learn it was just a hole drilled in the plane’s fuselage by an incompetent Russian engineer that caused the Il-20 to crash, and we can all go back to sleep :).
No that Jet is gone, shooted down 2 enemy players where in game that night Israel and France and as for the western MSM says that the very Syrian Air Defense shot the jet down in the end it just might be true, there is too much incompetence in Syria
You are right, currently we have three suspects, France, Israel, and Syria – and a fourth possibility, mechanical failure (hence my “drill hole” reference).
I think Syrian incompetence is unlikely, since all of the Syrian AD systems would have been following the Il-20 for its entire flight path, and it would have been marked for what it is. But of course mistakes do happen and it can’t be ruled out.
But since the Il-20 is an ELINT plane, which was up there to … brace for it … track missiles, it no doubt recorded the missile striking it, and its trajectory, if that is indeed what happened. Il-20 provides real-time intelligence to ground stations, including by satellite link, so, in fact, Russia knows what missile downed it.
Hence Russia stating a French frigate fired a missile right before is extremely important information. No doubt they are now negotiating with France how to resolve this “accident” (maybe it was, I don’t know). Probably $10 million for each crew member’s family, an apology, and two new Il-20’s might be paid by France, if France actually believes Russia would so something other than yell in despair if it doesn’t pay compensation.
Yes I’m afraid they will make up some stupid ass excuse to let the perps off the hook, which only encourages them to do more.
The US is all hype too and will never start a nuclear war as it is not suicidal. It just knows that Russians are cowards and idiots who can be bullied.
I agree
Russians are not cowards or idiots…otherwise we would all be speaking german.
Like seriously listen to yourself, how ignorant are you to say russians are cowards? Because they dont play “games” like israel and the west do?
What do you not understand that american way of thinking is not the end all be all.
Can you stop with this intellectual fascism, its really annoying.
They most certainly could do something. If it was Israeli F-16, for example, they could destroy the airfield with all the planes on it. But instead they will just blow some air.
When IL 20 is found on the sea floor it will be easy to ascertain the direction and source of ordinance contact from the rear will be IDF contact from the front will not be discussed…..
very difficult task….
how about impossible task. If it was hit by a missile its flight path likely changed, plus when it hit the water and sunk it’s direction likely changed, not to mention, if the plane is at 1,500 m, it will take very long time to recover just the “black box”!
Russian Il-20 downed by Syrian S-200 defense system amid Israel’s F-16 air strikes.
https://www.rt.com/news/438686-syria-russia-s200-il20/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications
Fantastic. So it’s Israel’s fault.
Russia should now bomb Israel’s airport that houses those planes and destroy the entire airport. All of it.
k send a memo to Putin and suggest your plan of action. I am sure he thank you for the good laugh you give him.
It’s like a bank robber holding a hostage and shooting at police while holding a second gun to a hostage’s head.
So now Russia says that they detected several missiles fired from French ship in the Mediterranean on the time when they lost their aircraft from radar, no comment from French, when Israel don’t deny or acknowledge when they just simply don’t comment they are behind it, but for the attacks in Syria with 4 x F-16s, and when asked about the Russian airplane same no comment, so no one gives any comments at this time but all western media like CNN and all other idiots are saying that Syrian Air Defense forces where shooting against missiles from the Israeli jets and they were intercepting them and THEY SHOOT THE RUSSIAN AIRPLANE as well. Chances of whom might shot the air-plane: Syrian ADF 55%, French 30% and 15% rests on Israel. That’s the data given by all medias, western eastern and alternative media.
It’s highly unlikely that the Syrians would intercept a target 35 kliks out to sea. Their methodology up until this point has been to intercept, only within Syrian airspace, shooting down planes in international airspace would be highly unlikely. so I would say the odds are 0.5% Syria 20% Israel and 79.5% France.
Hot WW III Begins TODAY!!!
Fortunately, for all of us, Russia understands all too well the consequences of such stupidity. Unfortunately, the Yanki/Zionist Morons believe they can press any button they want and get away with it. Expect Syria will be getting S-400s and Pantsir S2 systems very soon, which will change everything
It is possible the Russian plane was inadvertently downed.
No way Russia is giving Syria an S-400 system, and if it tried to, first thing Israel would do is take it out.
We saw those crap S400’s fail today
The only plane hit was Russian
Lol pathetic
But you’ll still try to pretend otherwise
White_American_Pig, why do you act like you know what is going on in Syria? You just listen to US MSM media obviously and defend the illegal actions for Israel
Well, given MoD’s statement, it is a bit rich, don’t you think, that the only plane taken out by Syria’s Russian-supplied AD was the Russian plane protecting them? Gotta admit, that’s pretty damn embarrassing.
This will make things interesting, my money is on Russia doing nothing. What justification did the French/Israeli have in launching an attack and where is the UN condemnation? French have always been a slimy lot and the jews, well they really haven’t invented a word or phrase to adequately describe that despicable tribe.
Poxy Moxies, Hymie Shylocks, Hebe Kikes, they are aplenty. You could also zone in on some of the better terms mentioned here on SF, Gorom, Haskalah etc
hahahaah told u so over and over again… A one world government with jerusalem as its capital under satanic jewish leadership. All countries that recognize the illegal satanic state of israel are part of the agenda including russia,uk,usa,china,eu,etc…
u morons here…….does anybody seriously believe this bs???? so the supposed russian allied nation of syria gets bombed every week by israeli jets for years now….russia stands down….nato opening one base after the other in the supposed allied nation of syria including al-tanf …russia stands down.. now the shoot down of russian plane…russia stands down.. idlib.. where did the russian reconciliation center during the last 18 months put all the jihadi pricks after loosing battle to SAA??? IDLIB……and now????????? russia stands down french firing missiles at various targets without provocation or any un resolutiions??? russia stands down..
u donkeys here dont even remember what i wrote last week about idlib…i told u that russia will protect the jihadi groups and that idlib will becvome a turkish protectorate…spot on!!
for the donkeys one more time…. the truth
there is no good usa or bad usa, there is no good russia or bad russia, but only the agenda
a one world government with jerusalem as its capital under satanic jewish leadership-.
Russia is not part of NWO Your “everything bad done because of jews” is not true and becoming boring Jut wait nad see, Putin is going to turn this around and use it the same way he managed to turn Turkey away from USA even if Turkey shoot down Russian jet on US orders. Dont forget Putin is a judist. The way judists do is they use the power of the enemy to work against him. You want to bet that before Putin leaves the office Belarus and half of Ukraine will return home to Russian federation? If this happens, will you admit that Russia is not part of the NWO?
You are a liar or a fool. https://geopolitics.co/2017/03/01/covert-war-between-russia-and-khazarian-jewry/
I have read that article a long time ago. But you need to go deeper. To the source. And the source of evil in man (mankind) is not jewish origin. Is the motivation by profit that is the base of our society. Profit is the blood of NWO and only because of profit and the enviroment a motivation by profit system creates that makes/lets such groups as sionist/NWO/global oligarchy to appear.
Profit, is it? How about power? That eliminates the anti-capitalist bend, as if Communists weren’t the most bloodthirsty murderers in all of human history.
You must learn a lot about communism still. Communism was a treat for global oligarchy, so they decided to infiltrate the movement, exploit it and final discredit it. But the idea of a just world lives on. Of course Lenin and Trocky were NWO agents. But Stalin kicked out NWO aout of USSR, that is why they sent Hitler to get him. Stalin died in 1953. Yet the number of his aleged victims is rising every decade according to MSM…….
No, his victims don’t rise every year. Stalin was every bit the bloodthirsty killer as Lenin and Trotsky. We also have the Mao, Pol Pot and other examples.
NWO didn’t “infiltrate” Communism, it created Communism. Read the Protocols, if you have not been so completely brainwashed by Communism that you won’t read its “founding document” for feat it will provide the truth.
Also Hitler wasn’t “sent to get Stalin”, Operation Barbarossa was a pre-emptive attack by Germany when the military realized that a massive Soviet Red Army attack on Europe was imminent (likely planned for July 1941). Germany calculated an offensive strike was the only way to prevent all Europe falling to the NWO’s Communism. The NWO was fully arming Stalin, with his millions of massed troops in Ukraine and the tens of millions Fifth Column Communists throughout Europe.
By the way civilizations develop, it was cler to the global oligarchy in 18th century, that an idea of a just world will arrive. So in order to infiltrate and take it over, use it and later discredit, they put their people in the leading positions of the newly formed movement. That is how they did. Stalin was not a killer at all, he was wise and tough. The information about him killing milions are coming from the same propaganda machine that claims Putin is a killer dictator…..
No, they come also from the Soviet archives and many other sources. You forget, Gorbachev opened them up, before Putin closed them again, too embarrassing. Putin loves Communists, which is why I will never trust the guy (amongst other reasons).
Now, the Holohoax did come from those same people. But guess what, the other benefit of Gorbachev opening the Soviet archives, it proved the Holohoax a myth! And that contrary to liar Stalin’s claims (the friendly nice guy who killed the Polish officer corps at Katlyn Forest), there was no evidence at all either of a mass extermination of Jews, or of the use of gas for that purpose.
Oh, don’t forget about Stalin’s gulags and their death rates. Oh, it’s all lies!! :)
Well well. You really do believe some bs it seems. Gulags were far from death camps. During WW2 era all sides were runing such camps and that includes the USA. Gorbatschov was working for Global oligarchy, so any data “released” by him are highly doubtfull Katyn was a nazi false flag
Didn’t say gulags were death camps. They were hard labor camps with higher death rates than the German concentration camps, which were also labor camps and not death camps.
Nazis proved Katlyn was Soviet act. The false flag is that Soviets tried to blame it on Nazis, but the truth came out. Soviet archives confirmed it.
Assuming Gorby was working for the plot, how could he falsify records from the 1930s? Maybe it’s your version of history that was falsified?
I can agree that after Kruschev purged most of the last Jews from the Communist Party, stopped the political assassinations, reigned in the KGB, and shut the gulags, among other much beneficial changes, that Communism became a decent system. But Bolshevism and Stalinism were both awful totalitarian, murderous regimes, worse than Nazis IMO.
Anyway, this is off-topic so no offense if I don’t reply further.
No offense taken. I do have a different opinion on these topics though…
i have witnessed russia doing business and even assisting these global cult countries he gave ground to air missles to the saudi’s he goes and helps to put out fires in israhell then he shakes hands with kisinger like a illuminati member so ya difficult to trust i hope they ain’t the trojan horse i had forsaw
obviously none listening your BS kid? Try to ease up on hallucinating.
I want to meet his mushrooms supplier
I dont think you like it because is prescription drugs you find mixed with camel shit.
Hahahaha Your probably correct. When i was in college i was lucky to sit next to a guy that grew them in his appartment for fun.
I went to an interview at home depot after i gobbled a bunch lololll.
did you make any sense? I did that once in Holland I did not know where I was for like 30 hours but it was a good trip none the less.
This world understands only strength, demonstrate it or this sh#t will keep happening.
putin,trump macron all take ORDERS from their superiors…them satanic jews u fucking donkeys here….
WTF TRUMP????
you fckn satanic zionist WILL NOT TAKE SYRIA SLAVES!!!
The Russian military is a weak bluff that continuously gets called
A real army would have instantly retaliated
Russian junk technology is no match for even the French or the Israelis
Hahahaha
You’re missing the NFL, Champ.
““At the same time, the Russian radars fixed missile launches from the French frigate Auvergne, which was in that area,” the defense ministry added.”
Can someone explain what this means please?
It means, that COLD WAR 2 is in top gear…
It means that the Russian radars where fixed- ON the French missile launchers, were fixed on the radar screen on their launched rockets from the very launchers from the French fregate.
It is plain that the recon had to be taken out for the raid to succeed. The means and manner of attack demonstrate that Israel/France does not take the defenses lightly.
Being attacked by zionist filth is bad enough but the French!?! Putin must surely react to this obscenity.
Putin is a idiot and low ranking KGB hack and is very subservient to the west and will keep on calling NATO and US its PARTNERS. Russians have to be the dumbest idiots around, Hitler had them pegged right as sub-human. Russians, Poles and the Slavs were regarded as Untermenschen, barely fit for exploitation as slaves.
What justification did the jews and the frenchies have in attacking Syria? Russia won’t do anything except maybe complain to the UNSC which is pointless.
Macron is a Jew poodle…. He will do exactly as his Jewish masters demand and he does not give a shit if the Russians retaliate against France directly..
The fucking Zionist Jewish pricks want a war… They care not for human lives as long as millions of Gentiles die!
That is what make me wonder what the f*ck is going on.
WTF??? Now the French are doing as their Jewish masters demand and taking part in this travesty?
Is Macron this insane? Does he not understand that Russia is no pushover and they may retaliate… War with Russia? I wonder how the French would feel by having Paris permanently glowing in the dark!
Dude, Macron worked for Goldman Sachs and is a Zionist gay puppet. The French are testing the waters and the Brits are also moving ships off Latakia and will strike Syria as before since Russia did nothing twice when NATO bombed Syria. The Russians even turned off the decoration piece S-400 junk. Russia is trying to act as a “superpower” armed with slingshots :). As the old western saying goes, DON”T BRING A KNIFE TO A GUNFIGHT!
Pfff that yanki thinking.
You.obviously dont even know what s400 is.
Just stop it ok fucking disinfo agent.
let us see how they respond to this and then we decide what is what? I dont think russians think to make cities glowing any time soon.
We had a boat in that group as well.
So we should ask harjit?? Wtf is our frigates doing off the coast of syria during an israeli attack??
So it is confirmed now RT just confirmed that Syrian S-200 shot the plane down amid interception of rocket barrages incoming from Israeli F-16s and French frigate.
As far I know the system recognizes foe or friend, so how they manage to shot it down?
Syrian reckless and unprofessionality amongst the ones that were controlling the radar on the S-200, who knows? Human error is everyday killer!
true, but that dont overrule what I pointed out.
by the way now I think about it finding this article again. The same people you call unprofessional are the same who downed down over hundred missile attacks and not only. And the same ones who hit the F35s. so that part of your argument is parroting someone else or a speculation of your own.
Above when I answered TRUE, was about human error and then shit happens. There was no human error base on new info coming in and the confirmation to me that S200 do have IFF system.
Confirmed by whom?
Russian MOD.
To protect US, NATO and their stooges Israel, ISIS etc.
RT said the Russian MOD confirmed the aircraft was shot down by Syrian air defense. Still blames Israel for creating “dangerours situation”. Indeed. RT’s coverage is strange, it doesn’t say anything about the Israeli aggression. Oh, that’s fine, you know, just give us a longer warning next time. Go figure.
Most of electronics media is in control of US and NATO.
Russia ‘reserves right to respond’ after saying Israel’s actions led to downing of Il-20 by Syria
Yeah, Putin reserves the right to scold Netanyahu: “Your Highness, in the future, would you possibly be so kind as to consider the lives of Russians when you launch your Glorious missiles at Syria and not use our people as human shields for your Holy missions?”
There is more to responding than wanting an eye for an eye. As Sun Tzu put it, “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
Israel’s main ally and sponsor, the US, is already on the backfoot because of this, categorically denying having any hand in it.
Yes, victory is at hand!
/face palm
There’s only one solution, Russia needs to put an end to the Israeli aggression!