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The US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and the Syrian military have made a secret deal dividing the psheres of influence in the provinces of Raqqah and Deir Ezzor, the al Modon Online website reported.
The agreement was reportedly reached in the village of Ukayrshah on July 20 and was backed by Russia. According to the agreement, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and pro-government tribal forces will be able to gain areas in the southern and southeastern Raqqah countryside and the northwestern Deir Ezzor countryside without any resistance or antagonism from the SDF.
According to the report, this will allow government forces, backed by the Russian Aerospace Forces, to advance towards Deir Ezzor from the countryside of Raqqah.
The article argues that some 400 members of the Tiger Forces and the Tribal Forces with battle tanks, multiple rocket launches and other equipment wer deployed in the Ukayrshah and Dahla areas. This force is a part of the Syrian military grouping involved in the operation against ISIS in the southern Raqqah countryside. The total number of Tribal Forces fighters involved in the operation is about 4,000.
According to the agreement, the SDF allegedly abandoned plans to captured the western Deir Ezzor countryside. The wider goal of the agreement is to allow government forces to advance on Deir Ezzor from two directions: from the southern Raqqah countryside and from the eastern Palmyra countryside.
So what do the SDF get? Sort of dont know what kind of a deal this is when the Tigers had already cut them off.
Obviously the deal was made before Tigers even started their operation from Resafa, I’d say… I hope this is true, especially for Deir Ezzor province.
If the deal was made in the village of Ukayrshah, then it was most definitely not made before their operation started, as it was then still in ISIS hands. It’s along the Euphrates.
Bad news it would seem for the US government, as it would mean that the Kurds are more interested in defending Afrin and only taking Raqqa, then do the bidding of the Americans and take more of Eastern Syria. My fellow compatriate, dutchnational, can be pleased as it seems they’ve gotten a new deal from Assad.
I suspect that the more the SDF moves into Arab territory, the less warm and more troublesome the locals seem to be towards the Kurds. If they hold what they currently have, the less risk they run of overreach.
You do realize SDF will advance from margab into deir ezzor and reach eurphates on that side probably the agreement. Northwestern deir ezzor include maadin and everything below Euphrates. Euphrates will be the border probably. It says abandoned plans for western deir ezzor but not south eastern deir ezzor.US put many useless FSA cannon fodder into shaddhai city and have tribes backing in that region.
A bad deal if you are right , SAA needs the ground on the east bank of the river , and the oil wells . This is just a cease fire , not more .
The both want the oil wells best to split it since power issues because of the turks cutting water from the Euphrates.
There is no agreement like that and you are a little slow on the uptake just means that they don’t shoot each other. The US is not interested in any bad press at the moment since they have lost the edge in any future in regards to Syria as it stands and needs good press to make themselves relevant again. The fact both the US/SDF are at maximum minimum strengths to maintain their zones doesn’t look good if Raqqa bleeds more troops especially SDF Kurds.
Ohh did you not just read the title then? DIVIDE SPHERES OF INFLUENCE IN DEIR EZZOR, RAQQAH PROVINCES “According to the agreement, the SDF allegedly abandoned plans to captured the WESTERN Deir Ezzor countryside. The wider goal of the agreement is to allow government forces to advance on Deir Ezzor from two directions: from the southern Raqqah countryside and from the eastern Palmyra countryside.”
The SDF lacked the ability and still do mostly their forces are enforced conscripts which have very little training and need to be bribed by the US to stay. How little you really know is that only governments make the deals in regard to areas and not commanders. The agreement is only assumed and no actual agreement in regards to anything else than a ceasefire, stop making it appear more than it is it just isn’t there.
SAA has to take 3 cities and two towns before crossing the river into eastern deir ezzor.
They have 7-8 towns from the west side and already have control of the South East T2 area , which gives them a better advantage over the US won’t refer to the SDF kurds they are not much anyways since they throw conscripts to the front. Deir Ez zoir has been striking out in sorties in the area and its better for them to hold the current lines and raid and kill scores of IS . They have been ready for 2 months to strike out from there and conduct operations.
There is no agreement or dealing with racist supremacist Jews and their puppets. They break all their agreements with the Goyim as it says to do in the Talmud. This worthless agreement was only made because their SDF puppets and the USSA can’t advance in Eastern Syria right now, they hope the stupid Goyim will be stupid enough not to take back their own territory once they clear out ISIS south of the river so there can be a greater racist supremacist Israel. The SAA should only go along with this until they clear Deir Azur and the rest of the border area south of the Euphrates river and then march north of the Euphrates river because it is their country no matter what the racist supremacist master Jewish race says. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5dcd0628a0a7024f5b92d9dcffa81c9e36b171544c116bda0525a5f2ca08a625.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/65272ba33698043a57e8677e4dfb9b290550d79a0d39a7be6eeff14a12a9f86e.jpg
The ceasefire deal was made on the 20th and not sooner.
Most likely the both sides seek to de-confllict the situation. The SDF has a very complicated battle against ISIS in Raqqah city. However, there could be some hidden terms and conditions behind the deal. There is a lack of info from Raqqah provinces because of a strict censorshio from the Syrian military side. Meanwhile, the SDF avoids publishing info about its contacts with the SAA.
On one of the other articles, I opined that the Kurds ought to do a deal sooner rather than later and voila! At least the makings of one are already in the bag.
PS thanks to all at Southfront for their hard work in circumventing the censorship of the western corp-0-rat media. ;o)
But u love Israel! Who are u trying to fool here?
This was forced by the US on the SDF since neither have the ability to make anymore gains their lines are to thinly defended. The US still can’t get in any deeper without going full blown invasion and have limited amount of troops in Syria.
Why is the Syrian Govt doing “censorshio” it is a new thing other than censorship?
So then how were they still gaining ground outside of raqqa city and actually took this village which is far away from Raqqa then since they can only focus on one thing at a time? Now SDF just got to throw some of the conscripts to guard the areas (like SAA did) while SAA offers protection in southern Raqqa and can advance in a new area.
They have less than 30,000 in the southern region and most are those conscripts also not in anyway capable of being any use ,considering they are little more than chattel with SDF handlers. The SAA doesn’t throw conscripts but NDF units which is similar to a national military police unit in Russia , quite different than conscripts with little training.
I think this deal influenced by the Trump and Putin latest meeting
They made an agreement to not to interfere or attack with full realization the SDF is on their own if they attack the SAA forces. This is one US media can’t spin in a good light and the US/Coalition can’t take any bad press at the moment while they are spinning their fairytales of the Kurds.
Read this in a reuters (i think) article.
Though I am surprised, I can imagine that a “deal”between Russia and SDF could involve Afrin, in the article there was a reference to a comparable site in Afrin.
It is therefore possible that Afrin was bought at the “expense”of DeZ.
All in all it might be a good deal for both parties as the deal was cut some two weeks ago, before SAA reached the Euphrates, which SDF could have prevented rather easily by expanding eastward along the M4.
Interesting times ahead, certainly around Idlib.
You really have a lack of knowledge on their strengths in the YPG and the US , neither can make anymore land grabs without becoming susceptible to raids. They did stop funding many groups already why ISUS is conducting raids even on the YPG with success despite the media reports. The funding for HTS/Al Qaeda is apparently still ongoing and when that is cut won’t be known until the MOSSAD/Sauds stop payments.
Sure, whatever.
HTS is not funded by US as far as I know, likely by KSA, UAE and the like.
Al Qaeda ,( HTS) , has been funded by the US from the beginning of this war . That is why the Kurds are foolish to the extreme to make deals with the US . But I think you are right about Afrin , the Turks seem to have been pulled back , but if that was to “buy” , Deir Ezzor , is a big stretch .
Did the Groups in south syria now regroup and made a new faction out of it? Wasnt it the New Syria free army or something like this? It is the same move to get “new” old funds from governments!
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Idlib is temporarily left for a dessert:)
Its really funny how the Kurds accept US help!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html
“the Halabja Massacre or Bloody Friday, was a massacre against the Kurdish people that took place on March 16, 1988, during the closing days of the Iran–Iraq War in the Kurdish city of Halabja in Southern Kurdistan. The attack was part of the Al-Anfal Campaign in northern Iraq, as well as part of the Iraqi attempt to repel the Iranian Operation Zafar. It took place 48 hours after the fall of the town to the Iranian army.”
The US put Saddam Hussein in power! The US gave Saddam chemical weapons! SADAM USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST THE KURDS! And now the Kurds ally with the USA! And u support the US Puppet Kurds over the SAA! YES U FUCKIN DO! DONT FUCKIN LIE U RAT! https://www.sott.net/image/s8/178851/full/tumblr_msmxpyfSBX1rncbh7o1_500.jpg https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/headlines/rummy-and-sadam.jpg?itok=K2gcWaDV
The Syrians should only make deals with US-backed filth if it is more advantageous for Syria than for US proxies.
A non aggression pact to prevent Turkish and FSA “Fishing in turbulent river”…
For the SDF to engage in a blocking move south of the river would involve opening a second front against the the SAA, which has heavy air support, or ISIS or both. They were probably told by the US not to because the US doesn’t want to get into a dust up with the Russians. When the Russians agree to cover an advance, they agree to cover both the ground advance and the airspace above it.
The SDF can’t take Raqqa they don’t have the manpower. It will be 2018 or 2019 before they take it at all the rate they are going.
LOL!
45% of Raqqa seized in 7 weeks….the definition of steady progress!
That isn’t true numbers just sounds good for the press even then a cessation in Raqqa bombing using White Phosphorous in artillery strikes since the only ones capable is the US and with their widespread destruction on civilians and even destruction of villages and hospitals by them again very much like Libya.
Isn’t true? Don’t suppose you have any supporting evidence…didn’t think so…
Here’s mine:
https://maps.southfront.org/military-situation-syrian-city-raqqah-june-6-2017-map-update/
https://maps.southfront.org/military-situation-in-syrian-city-of-raqqah-on-july-21-2017-map-update/
You do realize the size of Raqqa is 5 KM and all those outlying villages only account for the Raqqa area , which unlike Mosul which is 16 m in size. The villages are just that but the number of deaths among the conscripts is very high since then the US told the Kurds they must fight or lose support as they told the Barzani Kurds to do. This has been a problem US CENT COM had with all the Kurds so far in both countries.
I agree: Raqqa is smaller than Mosul! Which is one reason why it took the Iraqi armed forces with the help of the United States armed forces 8 months, 3 weeks and 3 days to free Mosul from ISIS. My point remains the same: no matter how you draw the Raqqa city boundaries and what areas you include or exclude – SDF progress is steady. The area of Raqqa held by ISIS shrinks and shrinks and shrinks. John Brown’s assertion that it will take the SDF till 2018 or 2019 is nonsense. The Southfront maps show it is nonsense. The capital of the ISIS caliphate is being reduced bit by bit. Soon nothing will be left.
The SDF is going to be tasked with it alone and they don’t have the capability to continue on this pace can’t keep using conscripts like they have.The US is expecting the Kurds to start pulling their weight , they are no different from the KRG in Iraq. The US had major problems with them as did other nations when dealing with them. They didn’t get the best training but enough to be competent even the special forces are not on par with the Iraqi Special forces had to ensure they were able to be kept as a proxy.
The Kurds might lose support from the US/Coalition bombing and ground assistance in capturing territory and the use of SF for besieging a city is not worth the training , millions of dollars for one compared that to the whole entire Kurdish army. Doesn’t make any sense by any sense of the imagination. The Kurds have been at this for over a month and ISIS forces are more compressed and able to make them hurt real bad for a long time.
He is right expect next year if the US/Coalition has to cease any bombing and artillery shelling.That puts means longer and a a more costly war for the Kurds since they are looking bad already for using boot camp troops.
that whole battle up there in raqqa between SDF and daesh i feel is just one big giant show, as both sides are controlled by US/israel, its like a movie with a script and each soldier is just another actor playing their part for the desired “ending”
Yes steady progress if you count the outskirts of the city, taking open fields etc but now is the hard part, all in built up urban areas. It was over a year to take Mosul even with the breaking of all war crimes law, using chemical USSA weapons, bombing every single structure etc. with huge causalities for the Iraqi army. The Kurds don’t want to sustain large numbers of their soldiers being killed.
You and Woolpuller would have us believe that all the SDF have captured is a few haystacks and donkey stables. Did you had spent more than 2 seconds looking at the maps I linked to? You would see that the following “built up urban areas” of Raqqa have been completely captured by the SDF: Romaniah, Al-Baryd, Al-Sinaa, Al-Mashalab, Bitani, Yarmouk, Al-Qadisiyyah, and Hattin. The Old City, Rawdah, Al-Mahdi and Ar-Rafiqah are approximately 50% taken. As to whether this represents 45% or 40% or 35% of all Raqqa you can argue as you see fit. The key point is that ISIS cannot hold its defensive lines even in the urban areas. The SDF has, in under 2 months, steadily eroded these urban defences. You imply that SouthFront is being deceptive in mapping SDF successes in the built up areas of Raqqa! The SouthFront maps do not lie! Shame on you!
South Front is not being deceptive at all and they have said what I have said as has Russia Insider. In fact part of the reason the advance was easy at first as South Front said was because the SDF was allowing ISIS units, multiple mile long convoys, thousands of ISIS fighters to escape Raqqa to attack the SAA, but Russia stopped that and that is when the SDF advance began to stall. South Front also said ISIS / Israel uses about 80% of its military force against the SAA not the SDF!! I guess you also don’t understand what the difference is between a new part of town and an old part of town as far as fighting is concerned either. This is why the USSA is having to send the SDF thousands more of armored vehicles tanks etc. to take Raqqa because it is so easy now and I am wrong. I will call you a fool for saying I claimed SF to be deceptive which is not true it is you who is being deceptive.
I don’t need army i need 20 good men to march to Deir Ezzor.
I don’t need army, i need 20 good men to march to Deir Ezzor.
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and some kids in africa lol
Can’t see that this is true without confirmation from Syrian government. Russia has stated on numerous occassions that all decisions regarding Syrian sovereignty is made by Syria, that effectively makes this article false because it states that Russia with the US/SDF made those agreements. Time will tell though.
This can only be limited to the Raqqa and Deir Ez zoir area the US/SDF is in no way of making any land grabs without anymore heavy investment of troops from the US , they are both bogged down in Raqqa . This hasn’t been reported in any Syrian papers so it just could be called military ceasefire , nothing usually gets exchanged there other than a mutual agreement not to shoot each other. Besides this would look bad in the press even though most of it doesn’t get reported in the western press.
Not wrong. Interesting extract from Strategic Culture has a worthy explanation regarding the Kurd problem. “SDFholds in Syria (as much as 45,000 sq. km.) keep the Kurds out of harm’s way. The Kurdish forces are extremely thin on the ground in those regions (only 30,000 fighters), and their communication lines are stretched out. If there’s a showdown, the regular Syrian army will have no problems breaking up the area held by the SDF. Two-thirds of the terrain occupied by the Kurds (which they want to keep) consists of Arab lands, and the Kurds have no resources for forging any kind of normal life there. Between Damascus and the pro-Turkish forces, they’ll have no trouble galvanizing the Arab settlements there to rise up, should things escalate, and the Kurds would look like the «cruel oppressors». Then they’d be entirely out of options for finding international support.
According to recent reports, Turkey has already marshaled massive numbers of troops on the borders of the Kurdish cantons in Syria and is waiting for the go-ahead from Moscow and Damascus. And why, one might ask, would those countries continue to hold the Turks in check, if the Kurds themselves are turning their backs on Damascus and Moscow?
Theleaders of the Syrian Kurds must now grapple with the enormous responsibility of making a fateful decision for their people. They can either refrain from throwing obstacles in Damascus’s way, helping to build a new version of the state in which they will have far more rights than they used to have in Syria, or they can choose the opposite path, doing the bidding of what Robert Ford has called the «immoral» foreign politicians and embark on adventures that will end with them losing everything they have gained.”
The same turks that are trying to cause a drought for Aleppo city? Good luck with that idea. Turks aren’t going for afrin the max would be tell rifat and mengah that is all.
Stop with the over explanation of the water shortage Taqba had issues with water levels from the beginning and still does but knowing this is run by the same Syrian engineers even the US conceded the Syrians were right.
Turks have amassed at the borders with Idlib and waiting for HTS to consolidate and the they will make the land grab. One would be blind not to see this even the US won’t stop the Turks actions this plays for them also.The Kurds are just a tool like the KLA were in creating in Camp BondSteel , rinse repeat is how the US employs its strategy.
SAA has to offer SDF something so enticing, so much more valuable than what US/israel can offer, i think. basically they need to make the SDF believe they need SAA more than they need the US.
I had a feeling something was up.
does this means damascus giving up tabqa and raqqa city to kurds? future borderlinr map could be drown on this agreement.
This is planed long time ago coz SDF stopped advance to der zor , other wise SDF was able to surround Raqqa till they are run-out of everything and go for Dier zor coz like a pice of cake !!