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The US-backed Syrian Democraic Forces (SDF) have “responded” to alleged attacks of Syrian and Russian forces on SDF positions north of Deir Ezzor city, a hard-core pro-Kurdish/US media outlet, Hawarnews, reported on Monday.
According to the report, the situation remains tense in the area of the Conico gas factroy and the nearby fields of al-Taybeh and al-Isba.
Earlier on Monday, the SDF officially accused Russia of striking its positions near the Conico gas factroy, on the eastern bank of the Euphrates River.
The Russian Defense Ministry officially rejected reports that Russian warplanes conducted any strikes on SDF targets and added that the Russian Aerospace Forces attack only terrorists. Russian military spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov added that the Russian military did not register “any engagements between SDF militants and IS terrorists rearward.”
Since “SDF” is the product of the flow of weapons and mercenary extremists into Syria, serving as proxies of the US terrorists, ISrael, UK, etc., they shouldn’t expect to be treated as anything other than targets for the forces of the only legitimate government of Syria.
“Since “[United Armed Forces of Novorossiya]” is the product of the flow of weapons and mercenary extremists into [Ukraine], serving as proxies of the [Russian] terrorists, [China], etc., they shouldn’t expect to be treated as anything other than targets for the forces of the only legitimate government of [Ukraine].”
So, with a bit of tinkering, do you still agree with your statement?
The government of Ukraine is the product of an illegal regime change operation by the same people trying to do the same thing in Syria.
Ukraine had an election after. Plus everyone knows Yanukovych was widely hated, me, from living in Ukraine at the time, everyone else, from his utter lack of effort to reclaim his throne after the “illegal regime change”.
By the way, this “illegal regime change” was less illegal than, say, the “illegal Crimean referendum” or the “illegal Donbass insurrection”.
I know consistency is for little minds, it’s just fun pointing out Russians have no more honor than neo-cons, only difference being, Russians are weaker; we can see from the USSR days how far Russians will go to impose their will on everyone within range. Don’t even try to take the high road – you don’t have one.
Hated or not. That is not a reason to overthrow a president. How would you react if your government oppresses you like what happens in Donbass. You fight back you smart ass.
LOL, of course it’s a reason to overthrow a president. He was a corrupt thief who used the power of the state to steal from people. Even Crimeans. One of my friends in Sevastopol told me a story about his life-long friend who owned a successful restaurant and Yanukovych’s “mafia” came and took his restaurant from him – paid him $50 to make it “legit”.
Yes, when your president is a criminal stealing from the people, the people not only have the right, but the duty, to overthrow him and imprison him.
And frankly I don’t see how the new government “oppressed” Donbass. Certainly they oppressed it far less than Stalin and other Russian rulers did. Why is Russian even an “official language” in Ukraine? Hint: it wasn’t the Ukrainians that selected it; indeed the Russians completely suppressed the Ukrainian language. Maybe it was the Imperial Russians oppressing the Ukrainians, and maybe they are not happy with that.
And in the end the law repealing the 2012 language law did not pass (Rada passed it but it was not signed into law by the acting President Turchynov or later by Porky). So how exactly were they oppressed, prior to picking up arms against the government? (And we can see by Chechnya how Russians respond to that kind of provocation.)
“I´m from there, conveniently, my anecdotal evidence says…”
Case dismissed.
Wow, how big of you to add a meaningless picture to your meaningless comment.
FWIW it wasn’t just one friend I made in Ukraine, another in Odessa and another in Kiev said the same thing about his son’s friend’s and her friend’s businesses. All of these friends were Russian-speaking Russians who liked Putin and Russia. Aside from the anecdotes there was plenty of publicized evidence, including his mansion after Yanukovych’s ouster.
GFY. And do not forget to do a blow job to Tel Aviv.
Oooh, I love how smart you are! Must be in the gene pool!
A Jew world order “election”? Following a Jew world order violent regime change? And that makes everything legal and OK in your view? Many would not agree with your blame shifting exercise away from the Jew world order perpetrators of the coup to Russia and the people of eastern Ukraine who disagree with your attempts to justify the coup.
Any idiot can see that it was an externally orchestrated violent regime change of the type that the Jew world order has repeated over and over again. It was a coup, a violation of international law, and gerrymandered elections after this gross violation of international law doesn’t justify the crime as you’re trying to do.
As far as Russia supporting the people of eastern Ukraine in resisting what was obviously a Jew world order illegal regime change and ethnic cleansing operation in the making. They were clearly asked to do that by the victims of the illegal coup that you’re a proponent of. Even with Russian support 1,000,000 people fled the neo Nazies that you’re a supporter of and apologist for.
The Russians where dealing with a refuge crisis not of their making brought about by your Jew world order Nazi friends and their violations of Ukrainian and international law. The people of eastern Ukraine dealt with an illegal junta victimizing them in the manner that they felt was appropriate.
Are you in this picture: https://mato48.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/ukraine-nazi-march-1.jpg
Or this one: https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Nazisme-Ukraine-400×267.jpg
Ooooh, a Nazi flag. I see you like collecting pictures. Well here’s your buddies in Moscow:
https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/rtxu7df.jpg?quality=80&strip=all
http://newslanc.com/images/slava_russia_march8.png
These are your buddies not mine:
“Human rights violations and war crimes
Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCR) have connected the Azov Battalion to alleged war crimes such as mass looting, unlawful detention, and torture.[61][62] An OHCHR report from March 2016 stated that the organisation had “collected detailed information about the conduct of hostilities by Ukrainian armed forces and the Azov regiment in and around Shyrokyne (31km east of Mariupol), from the summer of 2014 to date. Mass looting of civilian homes was documented, as well as targeting of civilian areas between September 2014 and February 2015”.[61] Another OHCHR report documented an instance of alleged rape and torture, writing: “A man with a mental disability was subject to cruel treatment, rape and other forms of sexual violence by 8 to 10 members of the ‘Azov’ and ‘Donbas’ battalions in August-September 2014. …
Neo-Nazi ideology and symbols
The unit was described as having connections to neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia; the unit has neo-Nazis among its ranks. German ZDF television observed Azov battalion fighters wearing helmets with swastikas and “the ‘SS runes’ of Hitler’s infamous black-uniformed elite corps”, and on other occasions some of the soldiers have been reported to have SS tattoos”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
And is there a point? Your Communist buddies regularly commit war crimes:
[T]he armed conflict in certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, “fuelled by the inflow of foreign fighters and weapons from the Russian Federation, accounts for the majority of violations of the right to life in Ukraine over the last two years,” claiming up to 2,000 civilian lives …
The 20-page report, which has an additional 31-page annex describing more than 60 specific cases, focuses mainly on cases of alleged killings of civilians, and people otherwise protected under international humanitarian law, in the conflict zone while no armed hostilities were taking place in the immediate vicinity of the incidents.
Significant numbers of people, including civilians, have also been summarily executed or died in custody, with most such killings occurring in 2014 and early 2015. According to the report, armed groups mainly executed individuals who had, or were believed to have, vocal ‘pro-unity’ views or to support Ukrainian forces, while Ukrainian forces targeted people based on their alleged affiliation with, or support for, armed groups, or for their “separatist” or “pro-Russian” views.
Numerous allegations of executions of Ukrainian soldiers and elements of armed groups who had surrendered or were hors de combat have also been reported, although the full scale of the phenomenon is hard to assess, the report says.
That’s just one report, should I copy and paste some more?
And Nazis are your buddies too. Birds of a feather – hate-filled ignoramuses.
Yes this report is filled with condemnations of the coup government and the neo nazies that you support. Who are by far those most to blame. And allegations of retaliatory crimes by the people clearly being victimized, which under the circumstances, to the extent that they’re true, shouldn’t be surprising and wouldn’t have happened if the illegal, by both Ukrainian and international law, Jew world order regime change operation that you support hadn’t happened in the first place.
So yes, bring it on. Post more information showing the crimes that the depraved group of psychopaths that you support are guilty of.
Or this one: https://theredphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/1453385_563265287074825_1492756770_n.jpg
Yeah, I’m the lady in the white skirt.
Are you in this one?
You sound like a neo Nazi supporter and collaborator to me.
Rather be that than you. BTW I stopped reading when I read that. Obviously nothing you can possibly write has any value.
You’re a coward afraid to debate the issues, that’s your problem, not mine. My comment went straight to the points involved and you evaded them because you know that they destroy all of your arguments.
You’re an utter idiot not worthy of my time. Learn a modicum of respect, savage.
You’re a liar and a coward who can’t deal with truth because it exposes all of your lies and the crime that you’re supporting. So you evade the issues and make false allegations to try to divert attention from your own failings.
How’s the weather over there in Langley?
I don’t know, tell me, “Bob”.
You misstate many things, the Ukrainians by and large were revolting against the oligarchs who were the 1% with no loalty to the citizens except to fleece them beyond reason because they stole everything in sight including Grandma’s pensions. See a pattern here, most do.
Nothing has changed, another Soros color revolution no different than the other transnational criminal cabals modus operandi as seen in the Arab springs popping up to produce (chaos) death and destruction by what was once was the hidden hand. It is not so hidden anymore and the neocon/neoliberal agenda remains the same, divide and conquer citizens Treasure, Commons and Inalienable Rights.
By the way you do know that the USSR was engineered by zionist jews don’t you Mr. historian?
The Emperor has no clothes is an understatement and most here see you butt naked idiot.
the Ukrainians by and large were revolting against the oligarchs.
Not really, the oligarchs orchestrated the whole thing. Including paying the Galicians to camp out in Independence Square, supporting them in the media, providing free food, etc. I completely agree that Ukrainians should have (and should now) revolt against the oligarchs, it’s just that they haven’t done that.
Nothing has changed. Not true, most people are poorer still, but they got their EU visas. The latter part was important to a lot of Ukrainians. Being poorer is something I predicted and the Ukrainians I spoke to were willing to put up with that for a “better future”. Unfortunately for them, also as I predicted, they were betrayed, as things will not get better for them.
you do know that the USSR was engineered by zionist jews
I don’t know that they were Zionists but they sure were Bolsheviks. And nobody supports Bolshevism like Russians.
I would add, the Yeltsin oligarchy was also Globalist/Communist Jews. So Russia fell to Globalist Jews not once but twice in 75 years. Virtually the only thing I give Stalin credit for is kicking most of the Globalist/Communist Jews out of the party.
The Emperor has no clothes
You don’t know anything about me. Because I don’t agree with this board’s visceral hatred of Kurds and their desire to oppress them, does not mean I am this imaginary bogeyman you have concocted in your head. I am an anti-Globalist Russophile, but that does not mean I cannot think critically when Russia is making a huge injustice.
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Syria should ideally be cleaned from terrorist groups.
Yes, starting with state terrorism and followed at the same time by all islamists of all kinds.
Problem is that there will not be much left in Syria.
A sad country.
Not as sad as Holland is today.
Go take your medicineand calm down, you old fart, is it full moon today, having some kind of escalation ?
‘State terrorism’ my arse! That was 100% proxy war. All the bad stuff you heard about Bashar Assad was warmongering propaganda.
That is not what my syrian refugee friends say. They lived under assads regime, non of you silly assad lovers did.
GTFO with your fake propanganda! Majority of Syrians support Assad. As for your “Syrian refugee friends”, they must be a bunch of Qataris claiming they are Syrians who are send by Angela Merkel to invade Germanistan
5 to 6 million supporters fled to other countries. 4 million supporters support Assad by living, working and fighting in northern Syria, 2 to 3 million support Assad from Idlib and the new turkish colony of Azaz. Apart from the hundreds of thousands dead, there are even some up to 11 million Syrians living under Assadist (or his NDF warlords) control.
Yes, really the majority of Syrians are supporting Assad
pro-zionist rat!!!! how much do they pay you to troll on this site, you prostitute??!!
Why do you lie and misrepresent facts there are 1.2 million Kurds living in Germany and even more living in Europe. There are 385,000 Syrian Kurdish refugees in Turkey because of the PKK/YPG terrorist groups from which they fled Turkey in the first place. There are 2.25 million Syrians in Turkey and less than 150,000 in Europe, 7 million are IDP in the government areas along with the 12.8 million there already.
You need to go back to the rock you came out from under, most slugs stay in the garden under the rocks.
Well, he is not. He and his family come from Damascus and he left because he refused to go kill fellow syrians and they were fed up with the latakian dictatorship
Nobody is perfect. While secular Assad dictatorship regime is fighting against islamistic barbarian idiots uncompromisingly, the ‘civilized Europe’ is just substitute them its ass… It’s not realistic to wait that Syria might become like e.g. Sweden, but it may free itself from shariah dogspower.
It must be nice to have islamist terrorist friends, I am sure. Those are the only beings that were not happy living under the Syrian government which protected women’s rights, religious minority rights, was secular, modern, inclusive, etc….all the things that your islamist friends hate!!!!
I feel sorry for your lack of the real situation and what really happened there…. But, just to inform you. He drinks beer, likes modern art does not strictly follow ramadan and believes in science and darwin. We can freely discuss about the qoran and mohamed. You obviously know nothing about the mayority ofSyrian refugees. The ones you talk about did not leave the country but went to join the FSA, Ahrar al Sham, Al Nusra, ISIS, or other groups
Hey, don’t pay attention to dutchnational who works in wonderland spinning nonsense of Horse shoes , stars and rainbows just like other little trolls do!
Not much left in Syria? Are you saying that most of the Syrians are terrorists? What have they done to you? Did Syrians ever attack any country, committed any terrorist attacks, bother any Western country, etc before Western countries started bombing thousands of innocent Syrians (including women and children) just to help the Anti-Assad paid mercenaries so as to loot Syria’s natural resources? You are from Netherlands, aren’t you? Should have expected nothing less from you. Disgusting!
You can make up, as you do, what you want from my comments and span you tales from that.
Attack is the best defense, right. Intelligence helps though. Interpretative reading too.
So read my comment again and then respond to what actually is written and do not just write what you are paid to do. Ok?
All governments are “state terror”. What is the “definition” of terrorism? Violence or the threat of violence, par. against civilians, for political objectives. All governments use actual or threatened violence for political objectives – in fact, that is the definition of what is a government: it has political objectives, and it uses violence, or the threat of violence, to accomplish them (they are generally called “laws”).
So sure, call Assad’s government “state terrorists”, but if you had a principled bone in your body, you would also call Rutte government a “terror state”. But wait – Netherlands still has an inherited monarchy! So you have a hereditary monarchical terror state – the Willem-Alexander Terror State.
Poor country.
If only USA would assemble numerous divisions of radical Nazis from around the world and heavily arm them to start an uprising against your monarchical terror state, wow, it would be just … karma!
Listen you Netherland trash, I know that you people are against Syrians and consider them terrorists, but I would like to tell you one thing. Syrians aren’t still alone even if the whole world is against them. They still have one last hope. Syrians still have someone who is protecting them against people LIKE YOU! And that person won’t let people like you destroy his country, his people, his culture, his heritage, etc AS LONG AS HE LIVES! He cares about his people! He will keep fighting for his people and his country. And that person is the legitimitate and democratically elected president of Syria. President Bashar al Assad! No matter how much people like you attack Syria, Syria won’t FALL! He is undefeated! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6914211e212826b2aad73988f9f100c75e4b4bbedd2e8eb93fa928871916a827.jpg
He’s not dutch, he’s a kike Jew
Yes but how do you get the Americans out?
Like all illegal squatters. Evict the Yanks by force if necessary.
Easier said then done…
Not really if the US body bags start to go home. The US is rather shy of losing real Americans. The Latino volunteers getting citizenship do not count though. The US is not bothered about them.
Unfortunately their military is still the best in the world…
The most expensive but certainly not the best.
Wasting money on military bases around the world doesn’t make then the best just very expensive.The costs to run those base are about 665 billion dollars and will sky rocket to 1 trillion in 10 years. They will have eventually not be able to improve their army without drastically reducing these expenditures.
dreamer
Twas the body bags that ended the US aggression in Vietnam Solomon.
How will you get all those body bags when there are only 1,000 Americans in Syria who run at the first sign of danger? This isn’t like Vietnam where US soldiers were patrolling jungle on foot …..
You have a point there. Sink a few US ships perhaps ?
You want to hit US where it hurts? I say, why focus on the US? Vast majority of people here are basically good people, just misled by their rulers into thinking black is white. Much like every other place on Earth.
These rulers are the Illuminati/Deep State/Powers that Be/Jew World Order/whatever you want to call it. Why not hit them, instead of always attacking the foot soldier/pawn who is easily replaced? Go for the leadership, man! Sinking a US warship is not going to curtail the Global Oligarchs’ power one bit. Go after them – the fiat money system, the mass media and the surveillance state are great targets. And news flash: these exist in Russia too. And if you want to go after a real high value Global Oligarch target, instead of the poor pawns, there’s some individuals we all have heard of who deserve justice.
These global oligarchs do not control only the US, they have global power projection. You can find plenty of them, or their assets which are more valuable to them than soldier lives, in your country.
Only the citizens of any given country can do that by taking collective responsibility for the corrupt mess in their countries and getting involved with change.
Agreed. That’s why I suggested you direct your anger at your oligarchs rather than US soldiers. One is the King, the other the Pawn. Pawns do the King’s bidding, and are expendable to the King.
An interesting period to study that has similar intrigue and treachery that we see today is the period of the French Sun King and of the British Crown together with William and Mary of Holland. Holland was once controlled by the Spanish ( as were other neighbouring states) from from 1581 to 1714. Funnily enough Brussels was the capital :)
The Vietnamese showed an example how.
Yes but they paid a high price.
Start making chemical weapons, and drop them on the American fucks in Syria. The usage of chemical weapons in this case is considered as self-defense.
yeah that would be a smart move…..
Buzz off
nope
Stop embarassing yourself.
He does not embarrasses himself. Not for standing up against “that gay”, sorry, typo, guy, promoting Assad using chemical waepons again.
Go matt, go, tell him.
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begin in kobani
No. Good people would never use indiscriminate chemical weapons.
You are right. It’s a despicable way of fighting. I spoke to some Iranian guys years ago and they talked about the soldiers injured from gas during the Iranian/Iraqi war when Saddam was in power. They spoke with much sadness how the soldiers were affected by gas. I had the unfortunate “practice session” of this when in the military, and I never forget the nausea and stench. This was mild stuff for training. No gas for any conflict.
And he was happy with his fellow soldiers who had arms and legs blown off by mortars or their organs pierced by bullets?
War is f*ing hell, best is not to fight it, but chemical weapons are no more “indiscriminate” than bombs. In fact bombs have been used to level entire cities and kill vastly more millions of civilians than chemical weapons, which really have killed only a relative few.
Note: I am not supporting chemical weapons; I oppose all war; I just don’t see a meaningful distinction between chemical weapons and bombs/mortars/rifles. They are all designed to harm and kill.
They let you take of the mask in a dark bunker too?
Not a dark bunker, but a plain empty building and walked us like sheep thru there. I will never forget that smell and taste. This is the mild stuff!
Those crazy drill sergeant bastards (this applies to all militaries) then hit us with these gas grenades as we marched out in formation and total mayhem broke out. I got my mask on in time, but there were some that didn’t and they dropped their weapons and ran like chickens with their heads off. Poor guys. Those fucking drill sergeants dogged them good and humiliated them. Happened to me in a different time and different event. I have talked to guys in different militaries and there are those hard core nut jobs that enjoy torturing you. I will take civilian life any day.
Oh , an American troll ,
Me ?
Russia should just declare a 20 mile exclusion zone to the North in which anyone present is presumed to be a terrorist or a terrorists supporter. It would also include a no fly zone. This would be similar to the exclusion zone that the US declared around the al-Tanf boarder crossing a few months ago.
Good idea.
I wish a Russian no fly zone is soon established in Syria, but as the situation remains extremely fluid, with the Kurdish issue diversion and the SDF movements, I find it extremely hard. It truly is time though to step up the game a little, I wonder if Russia and allies are ready for that.
Which, of course, they have now abandoned. This was established purely to stop the SAA advance on Deir Ez-Zor. This grand plan failed miserably.
Actually, last Spring, that is where the partition of Syria (and Shia crescent) was to originate, during joint training exercises in Jordan. Jordan was against it, as well as President Trump. Then the SAA made the move to cut them off, just for good measure.
The US declared 50 km exclusion zone which is approximately 33 miles.
Better to wait for the proposed Kurdistan voting, and let the Turks, Iranians and Iraqi’s join the SDF bloodbath.
Please Russia, give free access to the Turkish army to all Kurdish enclaves without any restrictions type, and we will see how those Kurdish roaches run off to try to rescue and protect their children and women, instead of prostituting themselves to the services of the damn American. Now I understand why the Turks have so many desires to annihilate those odious Kurds from the face of the earth. They are like invading insects without any kind of values and personal honor, at the service of whoever it is convenient to them at the moment. I do not usually express myself in this way to anyone, but I am very angry about what is happening right now because of those American puppets against Syria and its allies who with so much effort have managed to be so close to the total victory against global terrorism .
managed to be so close to the total victory against global terrorism . In Syria, but not Globaly, yet* Still More then Enough Countrys full of “Useful Idiots”.
Go and investigate well, my friend. ISIS was born in Syria as a double-edged sword in the service of the friends of the United States and today is a worldwide threat, taking into account their blows in the main cities of Europe and their threats to its founder United States and to all its allies in America. Then a Syrian victory against ISIS is a victory against global terrorism my dear friend.
I didnt contradict your said thing, but i dont actually believe it was in syria, a neighbour i guess started to fund this groups^^
Why the hate for Kurds? They are allying with anyone who will help them establish their own country. Soviet Union allied with UK/US in WW II; and Russia has allied with US in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
It’s not the Kurds fault the British and French partitioned the Ottoman Empire to create constant strife and discord. They are seeking their own country in the regions where they have lived for ages. Who can blame them for accepting help from US for that? They would accept aid from Turkey even if Turkey would offer it! Do you think even now Syria would refuse help from the US? I doubt it.
Why the hate for Kurds?
Therefore: establish their own country
Might be no objections regarding regions where Kurds have lived for ages. But just familiarize yourself with the ethnical distribution map: Kurdish national areas are far North even from Rakka, and they never lived in Deyr-Ezzor area.
Granted, but the rabid racist to whom I was responding wrote “Please Russia, give free access to the Turkish army to all Kurdish enclaves without any restrictions type, and we will see how those Kurdish roaches run off to try to rescue and protect their children and women, instead of prostituting themselves to the services of the damn American.”
Certainly Terence Silvestre Jr. has forcefully demonstrated with his arrogant hatred that he is a contemptible cockroach, but his comments go far beyond the Deir-Ezzor area, upon which I didn’t even comment.
You must be a dirty zionist troll, after all, the zionist apartheid terror state is already making deals with the traitor kurds!!!!
Could be a member of the Hasbara Fellowship , they are notorious for creating fake situations and making people hostile to them .
Oh, is this the wisdom you gained with all of your deep knowledge of “facts and history”? LOL. No doubt all of your (worthless, trolling) comments are equally representative of reality.
Wow, did you think that up all by yourself? Or did you copy/paste from the Website for Idiot Trolls? If you are Russian you should be more worried about the traitor Crimeans ;0.
“Prostituting themselves to the services of the damn American ” That is the key issue with him, and many others , the US has been waging this war against Syria since 2006 , their intent is not honorable . The poor Kurds are only going to be used as a proxy army , just like the Wahhabi jihadists.
Countries have interests, not honor. Most here condemning Americans probably think the Two Wars on Chechnya were “honorable”, because fundamentally they are no different from the Americans you so despise (in many cases from what I read here, quite a bit worse in fact), the moral fiber is the same, the only difference is on which side of the table you sit.
Of course US uses proxy armies. No question. And the Kurds know that, they are not as stupid as you make them out to be. And they are not “prostitutes” to the US IN ANY WAY. They saw an opportunity to gain their long-sought-after homeland, with ISIS creating anarchy, and they will use whatever help they can get to help achieve it. They would also accept Russian help, despite the fact that Russia has struck a deal with Erdogan, who just a year ago shot down a Russian jet and who is an even bigger sponsor of ISIS than US.
This board is full of utter morons. Pathetic.
I am curious as why Kurds, a nomadic group from Iran wants land of others for their own?
“I am curious why [Donbassians], a nomadic group from [Russia] wants land of others for their own?”
But actually, unlike Russians in Ukraine, Kurds have been living right where they are for 2,000 years. Already in the 800s Kurds were living in Mosul. Have a history lesson about the Ayyubid dynasty and many other facets of Kurdish history.
And when did the Arabs come to Syria? Who was there first? Does it really matter at this point if someone invaded a century before or after when it all occurred 1,500 years ago? Kurds don’t want to be part of Syria, never have; were forced into it by the French and others, particularly the Turks.
Maybe it’s you who should learn a bit of history? But at least in this comment you actually said something other than “I’m right, you’re wrong, nah-nah-na-nah-nah”, lol.
Russians in Donbass never were ‘nomadic’.
Well, they were “settlers”. But the Kurds aren’t “nomadic” either. In case you didn’t notice, I was pointing out the utter hypocrisy and unprincipled nature of his comment. Kurds came to Syria over 1,000 years ago, before Russia was even the Duchy of Muscovy, about the time of the Kiev Rus. And they controlled almost all of Syria under the Ayyubid dynasty.
Who the hell is that idiot “George King” to call them “nomads”? Or all the other imbeciles on this board challenging the Kurds’ right to exist, or to self-determination? The very ones who would be indignant to no end if some foreign power split their people into four countries as an oppressed minority!
As much as it hurts you my comment I fear that is very wise for many like me being objective and realistic. A thousand apologies if you’re a Kurdish my dear friend, nothing personal. But I had to express exactly what I feel and I know I’m not the only one thinking like that.
This was isn’t Kurdish but feigning indignation and your typical failed SJW who ignores facts and histories because they have hurt fweelings.
Your comment doesn’t hurt me one bit, I just applied your logic to yourself so maybe you could learn how disgusting your comment was. Granted, I did find your opinion odious, but now that you have doubled-down with your arrogant claim to “objective and realistic” I know that you are just a hateful (and, honestly, rather ignorant and racist) fool.
DAM !! For sure you are not out to make allies on this site! I love a good fight.
It would be naturally for the Kurds to become an ally of the SAA, taking into consideration their future life in an autonomous region of the united Syria. But, I guess, the US are making obstacles for that. Anyway, I hope, Kurds will be wise enough to clearly understand who is who.
You are defending a bunch of ungrateful dogs who once came to Syria as refugees and are now biting the hand that fed them!!!! You idiots are gulping the crap fed to you by the kurd/nato/israhell propaganda campaign to paint he kurds as heroes and partition Syria and Iraq and let them ethnic cleanse the arabs, Christians, Yazidis, and other minorities in the lands they are occupying with help from the terrorists masters: israhell, NATO and the USA!!!!! https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fsarahabed.com%2F2017%2F09%2F20%2Fmodern-day-horrors-kurds-disarm-assyrians-and-yazidis-abandoning-them-to-daesh-onslaught%2F&h=ATNzI62BajoZEDrDTK5xG0OIQqv9Vwh-LObKFwpWWetIXBmafbrzMfJolzVrvZPFaRUePJ_QXZmp9247E78IQcRa-zQBemswGTjdIJdBxgtyT9FXDNLpW5HeV4W65st0XjIJMFIfD4CvCyvNKWYf852ESibfq9AyqqCHQ5oLOv3uLMeSyclbjHQ7fsdatGnQzqEPtLi-Byq8dqzna9NB4t-xsN8oXctHP92F0pHpSPL-m8619J6yObmiwK8CbBvHzpyc
Now I know why I don’t come to Southfront – comment board is filled with uncivilized Russian rednecks so drunk on vodka they don’t know red from green.
But I’ll make one attempt with you, despite it being hopeless: Kurds were living in “Syria” long before Syria was carved out of the Ottoman Empire by the French. You undoubtedly don’t know this but “Syria” has been a country only since, oh, 1936.
I bet you weren’t nearly as upset about Crimeans biting the hand that fed them, were you now? I guess independence is good for those you like, and bad for those you don’t.
You really are lost in all this. You don’t know the history and your facts are MSM fake news. Maybe if you observed more and talked less you get educated and up to speed.
Blah blah blah, save your self-righteous pretentious pomp for your family. If you want to post on a comment board at least say something useful than the childish “You’re wrong, I’m right”, lol, you just prove my point about this board, bunch of imbeciles.
Believe me, I am not a ‘Russian redneck so drunk’, while as to Crimea, the situation there was much more sophisticated, than you think. Of course, Russia has violated the international law and its own territorial guarantees, but it was the real choice of Crimean majority (more than 80%) to leave nationalistic Ukrainian state, which activists threated and bullied them. So, it’s the conflict between law and justice. Such situations happened from time to time.
Agreed. I 100% supported Crimean re-unification with Russia; having lived myself in Crimea, I know this was for the best.
But the same is also true for the Kurds. They deserve self-determination as much as the Crimeans. They are no more traitors to Syria than Crimeans were traitors to Ukraine.
I am simply making the analogy to point out the utter hypocrisy (unprincipled supremacism, I call it) prevalent on this board. LOL, but nobody notices unless I state so expressly. Because everyone is eager to label anyone with a different view here as a “Nazi sympathizer” and “Jew world order” or “CIA troll”. Which gives me the impression people here are largely Communists, they are the ones just as intolerant as Fascists, two sides of a coin.
I have read somewhere in the net, that one year ago Russia proposed to Bashar the draft of the new Syrian constitution, where, particularly, the name of the future state is not Syrian Arab Republic, but just Syrian Republic :) It means multinational and secular template. That means, particularly, the possibility of Kurdish autonomy. On the other hand, this Kurdish referendum does not concern any foreign Kurdish populated territories. So, the possibilty of the peaceful solution of the Kurdish problem exists.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159309608615557&set=a.10152130277540557.924890.625190556&type=3
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fort-russ.com%2F2017%2F09%2Firaq-determined-to-protect-minorities.html&h=ATP5hsL8uz-ZV5b23KpLinuqN_yH06RxOA7-U8ZZqfwKX_CJNvycixGYtu_VPmXYD2wENZRhEBbJFaVso_iF63_C6T1N3NHId2C3Fdb-LEJwSEaC322pyGh1XlSWEPart3HJ9wBh9AmdxKbJL9Mqlh4L8ENIAcmxs9q8a1IoqVWm6tUUY6cKSm8cbazn2MZ6lIb2BjL1AG4lMAmCcHAS6ygJw4a8oAgZv3GlSDeBezsl8JfM_rJo-Wpbv3jWduQOeWYnIHIDkz2f7VhTVO-YcJf7rHHI4PG1xQ
What the hell do you know about who has the right to a country of their own in this part of the world, anyway!!!??? The Kurds, just like the Turks, are genocidal invaders of Asia Minor and Syria/Iraq. Just ask the Armenians, and other minorities, that have suffered genocides at their hands. The Kurds were rabid bloody murderers joyfully answering the Turkish call to slaughter Armenians and other Christian minorities in the 1915 genocides!!!! If they must have an independent homeland, let it be inside present day Turkish usurper republic!!!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159292462665557&set=a.10152130277540557.924890.625190556&type=3&ifg=1
I fear that there will be no excuse that can justify the evil and unorthodox Kurdish behavior for more than you seek for them my friend. If they really need help they would not betray the government of their place of origin that for years provided them where to reside regardless of their historical origin and their misfortunes. Also, if they were so such good and smart people, they should try to please and help their own government first before than American foreigners who would dispossess them as vilely as they did with ISIS once their perverse purposes were fulfilled. Be more objective my dear friend.
calling any people invading insects is avery very low level of communication
kurds are invaders.
Anyone was, is or once will be invader
and do you know, what happens with invading mantisses?
You should look at a map of the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and compare and contrast to a map of the Russian Federation, of you want a splendid picture of what “invading insects” look like.
Kurds haven’t invaded anywhere, they have lived in and around that area (maybe not to the square mile but in the area) for MILLENIA, much longer than the Kievan-Rus have even existed. It was the Arabs who invaded their lands around 650 AD.
But what’s the point of going blow by blow? Every place on Earth has been invaded multiple times. You want to go back to Adam and Eve? No? Then STFU. They live there now.
kurds are mantisses. basta! i wish them only that, what they made to armenians. karma.
Well at least you are honestly a bitter hater. Kurds have largely atoned for their crimes related to Armenians; and it is also a fact that despite being ordered by the Sultan to attack Armenians, many Kurds instead sheltered them and protected them from the Turks.
And in any event, no Kurd alive today had anything to do with it.
But go on breeding your seething hatred, I am sure it makes you a better person. (Also, I am sure, no Armenian, ever, harmed a fly, esp. when ordered, say, by Stalin (Sultan) to do so.)
i blocked to enter 20+ kurds to our universities now. the war has begun. i will harm you everywhere were i have influence. and will send money for organizations fighting kurds.
Let’s see, you joined Discuss on Jan. 29, 2017 and since then have made … wait for it …. 12,767 posts. That’s 53 posts … every …. single … day, and that’s only on Disqus. Obviously you live in your momma’s basement posting your hate to the whole world. You lack the ability to block anything except any intelligence you might have as a … being.
And, news flash: I’m not a Kurd, though even if I were, I would not worry a loser like you might hurt me, lol. Say hi to your momma for me when you next go upstairs to eat her food.
Oil and land grabbers are pushing it too far. Surely by the US blessing. But sooner or later it will slingshot back into their face…
oil and land grabbers: sounds like standard human behaviour
Not human behaviour. This is Kurdish behaviour.
Pathetic imbecil
and Zionist
if thats human behaviour at the expense of human life of friendly forces then where does it stop? Genocide? Hmmmm “Genocide” rings a bell! Armenian genocide to be exact! And who were the one who did the “dirty work” for the Ottomans? AHHHHHH YEEEAAHHHH THATS RIGHT……..THE FUCKING KURDS! And why did the commit to the Genocide of 1.5 million Armenian Christians?? AHHHHH YEAH THATS RIGHT….. THEY WANTED LAND FOR THEMSELVES!
Cant argue with Facts! Even the Kurds admit to this!
So….. u said “oil and land grabbers: sounds like standard human behaviour”
Lets check out the human behaviour of those allied with the US shall we??
Israel, Genocide of Palestinians… literally took their land, killed its people and contained them into a small hellish pocket!
Kurds, 1.5 million Armenian Christians DEAD! and now? Trying to steal more land!
IS THAT HUMAN BEHAVIOUR?
IS IT?
DO U SUPPORT IT?
So in ur book of morals…. choose from these below as to which is “human behaviour”
1. stealing oil and land 2. killing a million people 3. stealing it from a country that never harmed u 4. making alliances with those who sold the chemical weapons used against ur own people 5. making alliances with those who allied with the leader who slaughtered ur people!
the Kurds just have no morals at all! They will sell their souls to those who helped kill them and yet, they will slain 1.5 million people for their land and masters!
Would u like to comment on this?
You have a very simple one sided world view. ALL cultures have been killing others and some still do, depending on the context of their life. But you probably need to point out good and bad. Mayebe because you were raised with the bible? I wasn’t and therefore have a more Nuanced view on human behaviour. Nothing more to say
OK so going by that u support Hitler, Stalin, Mao! “human nature”
OR
do u have a moral compass within u that tells u who is right and wrong in a current situation!
You live in a grey world yet the world is black and white!
SAA or SDF! CHOOSE!
Don’t act like a philosophical fuckwit! That library shit doesn’t work in times of war!
Man the fuck up and choose a side! If its all human nature, then why the fuck are u on this forum anyway? It shouldn’t matter who wins or loses then!
YES YOU ARE A LIBTARD!
U should be sitting on a rock doing ur buddhist shit rather than being on this forum!
Justin, you should stop telling me what to do or what to choose.
Yes Hitler, Stalin and Mao is part of human nature. But Ghandi, Mandela and BOB as well, so yes humans are not just black/white but have many colors. Offcourse i have a moral, but human nature has nothing to do with that. Humans are just Homo Sapiens, the ape that thinks (too much) the evolution wasn’t fast enough to catch up with our inventions. Right now we are about to be able to become Homo Deus, so mayebe we can solve the evolution gap, but big chance we fuck up and humanity will be history. Moral is a human fantasy. I believe in it, but it is still a human fantasy. My moral is preferably non violent, only for self defence. My daughter has kung fu classes :) I hope SDF will make peace with SAA and they will work out a federal Syria or some form of self rule for people on a local scale. The time of countrys with a centralized government had its change, but it is obvious its not working. Just look at all big countries, corrupted, violent and bad governance.
oh and by the way, would u like to see what a paid troll looks like? We are really good at exposing them here! Check this out! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7d0098f2958171538b9db7bea74e97260ceed12657da71500e6ec9df401b1a0.png
Again the good men and evil monster crap….boring comments And calling everyone that does not follow your child worldview a troll You are a stupid person Justin
Probably the worst OUT I’ve ever seen! lol those good men quotes are from Einstein, Martin Luther King and many more great minds! and u said “BORING COMMENTS”!
Thats why ur “human nature” comment has no impact!
thats why your replies have no impact!
You amount to zero in this world because u stand for nothing! you’re world view is “whatever” and yet here u are on a geopolitical website forum!
You are the stupid person!
This is an old argument being portrayed in a new light, we Stalinists used to debate about the emergence of Civilized Man from his natural state, it used to be that man paused and Reflected. Harken ! for gladly then by so doing he was able to communicate about less barbaric ways, however on reading the Qur’an ” The Book confirming what went before it” it becomes apparent that it wasn’t reflection at all, it was the capacity of most men to forfeit their independence by giving it to become an advantage to a very few individuals and then operate from within their instructions, SDF have selected Trump, say no more.
Notice on the map, that there is a 2 mile wide corridor occupied by ISIS between the SDF-Kurds and the SAA. Obviously the SDF has made a deal with ISIS to keep that corridor open so that ISIS can still have access to defend downtown Deir Ez-Zor. The Kurds have made no attempt to capture that corridor. Even to the Northwest of the City the corridor has always remained about 2 miles wide to allow ISIS access.
Well, what happens if the SAA occupies part that corridor at their present position? That would require the SDF to pull back further North so that ISIS can have their corridor into Deir Ez-Zor. Repeat the move over and over as necessary.
Here is the map of what I am talking about. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8552058b41488e8b182c3caaaa4956e5e3b33ca2fa73bebb7b2034bd065fc9a.jpg
kusham was taken, there is no corridor
and the walz goes on …
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-crosses-euphrates-river-liberates-new-town-deir-ezzor/
taken by whom?
saa
Actually it was al-Nashad that was just captured. Both Nashad and Khusham had been captured a few days ago, but the SAA was driven back. There is still a small corridor.
The SAA should be able to close the corridor now. The Kurds will either have to pull back to allow a new corridor for ISIS, as per their agreement with ISIS, or they will have to attack the SAA. Either way is very good, since the SAA is now much stronger and is ready bust on through for about 5 miles and capture the Conoco gas plant.. Here is a new map. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/625e8074b1de64e353980d6bae384b76a3afdb94b9d8241afce1efd79525bf5e.jpg
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i did not recognize the pull back :/
Thanks, I was wondering where Al-Nashad was. This map seems to downplay the SAA positions to the east. I would think the next priority is Al Tabiyah SE of Khusham, unless ISIS pushes SDF back a bit, then it’s open season on Conoco gas plant! :)
First trolls like you complain that SDF is taking IS on, and now you are complaining they do not.
Maybe for the future you can hand SDF a list on what you would like them to attack, maybe even when?
Of course the SDF will not attack IS so close to the SAA lines. Were some ammo to land on, near or after SAA lines, then you will scream “SDF attacking SAA”.
SDF will try, imo, to envelope the SAA bridgehead like SAA did west of Tabqah on the SDF bridgehead there. Imitation is the best compliment they say.
I doubt the US coalition has given the SDF permission to cut off the SAA bridgehead along the river road to the SE, this could lead to a serious escalation. This is Syrian land, not Kurdish. The Kurds will have to obey their masters. :DDD
It’s all Syrian territory. The Kurds are in open violation of the law. The Syrian government coalition has every right to drive and fly into any SDF occupied areas without restrictions. If the SDF tries to prevent it they’re breaking Syrian law and are subject to arrest. If they resist arrest or attack government forces, government forces are legally authorized to use force on an as needed basis.
funny man. Suddenly worried by legalities.
It’s called truth and fact that any civilized society lives by. The Jew world order miscreants have steadily lost ground in Syria as the government has gained it. That will continue.
Hahhaha are u dreaming?!
About what?
o yes their response was immediate and swift …..they cried out ‘us help us ,US help us”
Kurds are playing with fire.
Live fire. Target hitting fire.
The not so specified retaliation by the so called SDF came from ISIS Amaq News Agency just before this informarion was released. It said that two Russian soldiers had been killed. Does anyone need any other proof that Israel/US/SDF/Kurds are ISIS?
This is a report that the Syrian army has crossed the river north of DE to open a second front on the east side of the river:
“the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) crossed the Euphrates River from the recently liberated areas of northwest Deir Ezzor and seized a new town along the eastern bank of this waterway.”
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-crosses-euphrates-river-liberates-new-town-deir-ezzor/
This is a small section of a map showing Al-Nashid from the article: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/94d7eb7cd6bd880171d888de6547788c19056c8e57e33107fc95b0f1faa7697d.png https://muraselon.com/en/2017/09/syrian-army-expands-control-east-bank-euphrates-river-deir-ezzor-map/
When US said (via the Kurds) that they won’t allow SAA to cross the Euphrates, what they meant is exactly what is happening now. They won’t allow SAA to liberate her oil fields. So even though SAA did cross, since they couldn’t benefit from it, it’s same as they didn’t cross.
We are probably witnessing the beginning of the end of the Kurdish secessionist expansion drive. Which is why the SDF southern advance into the oil fields is stalled. And they’re attempting to move east into the Khabur river valley instead.
The DE air defense capabilities are probably being upgraded in preparation for the Syrian government offensive on the east side of the river to the Iraq border and north up the Khabur river valley to contain the SDF advance there as well. https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/25Sep_Palmyra_Deir_Ezzor_Syria_War_Map.jpg
Here is a real close up of al-Nashad. It is all over for the Kurds now. Their only hope is that the US will intervene to save them. I think Russia and the US will get on the phone to make some agreement. Too much is at stake here. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/625e8074b1de64e353980d6bae384b76a3afdb94b9d8241afce1efd79525bf5e.jpg
There is report that Enemy airplane shot down over Damascus sky a short while ago.
Do you have a link?
No. Someone texted me from Damascus area.
AMN is now reporting that a drone or missile was shot down over Damascus:
“BEIRUT, LEBANON (2:30 A.M.) – At 2:00 A.M. (Damascus Time) tonight, the Syrian Air Defense fired a surface-to-air missile from the Mezzeh Airport in west Damascus towards a possible unmanned aircraft (UAV) near the Golan Heights border.”
So I can’t confirm it myself, but the person usually reliable.
Latest AMN report: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/video-footage-syrian-missile-striking-possible-aircraft-west-damascus/
RF has still not deployed back up squadrons of SU-34 or any advanced equipment; which means they are content with continuing more of the same. Reports circulating that SDF coalition killed another two of their men. Meanwhile, RF/SAA men are still guarding Manbij pocket. Here is the perfect test for Torky.
Racist supremacist Jews are doing everything they can to provoke the SAA, so Israel can order more of its slave American Goyims to die for a greater racist supremacist Israel. None of this matters for the kurds As I predicted when Turkey invades very soon the Kurds will be running to the SAA for protection begging for their lives but with their recent behavior in Deir Azur they have most likely already destroyed themselves. The SAA may protect some of the Kurdish civilians but probably want the SDF to be wiped out by Turkey for their treachery. So while the idiot greedy Kurdish leadership races to occupy oil fields far from their supply lines the SAA and the Turkish army will be making a pincer attack to occupy all the major Kurdish cities in Syria such as Al-Hasakah, Qamishli, Tell Tamer, Kobanî, etc. What will it matter what oil field they claim to have then when their government is dissolved. Turkey will attack the Kurds first and invoke the NATO charter for support. So either racist supremacist Israel and the global Jewish slave empire will order its (as the racist supremacist Jew Henry Kissinger said American soldiers are stupid animal beasts to die in Israel’s’ wars) slaves to surrender back down like NATO did with the Greek Cypriot Turkish war or the Kurds and any American slave forces will be quickly defeated by Turkey, Iraq Syria, Iran Russia and China in a very short conventional war which will also most likely be the end of NATO or racist supremacist Israel will escalate and cease to exist. It is 100% certain racist supremacist Israel will back down because they only like to fight to the last stupid animal beast American Goyim soldiers. then initiate some kind of propaganda offensive as it is better to have all of the3 stupid animal beast American Goyims die then one racially superior Jewish fingernail of the master race is to be broken etc. As for the goyim…Zalman’s attitude (was): “Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.” …If every simple cell in a Jewish body entails divinity, is a part of God, then every strand of DNA is a part of God. Therefore, something is special about Jewish DNA. … If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value,” he explained. “There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life. — Chabad Lubavitch Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh in Jewish Week, the largest Jewish publication in the United States.
So how did they “respond”? Just complain? Lol