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Turkey says Nyet to Washington’s Request to Transfer their S-400 ADS to Ukraine.
Written by Peter Koenig. Originally published on Global Research
This story may read almost as a joke. But it’s the truth.
On March 20, Reuter reports that Washington has asked Turkey, one of the NATO Alliance’s most important member, mostly for her strategic location, to transfer to Ukraine their Russian top of the line and cutting edge S-400 Triumph Air Defense System (ADS).
The US and NATO wanted Ukraine be equipped with efficient anti-aircraft missiles, but were unwilling – or afraid? – to supply Ukraine with the US Patriot system. Maybe because they did not want to get directly “seriously” involved in the war, or more likely, they were afraid that their Patriot system could end up in the hand of the Russian military.
So what?
The Russian S-400 is categorized by experts as “superior to the American Patriot”.
The S-400 has a 4,800 km/h target speed and can reach enemy aircraft, ballistic missiles and AWACS planes at 400 km and 250 km; the medium-range 120 km, and the short-range 40 km. AWACS stands for Airborne Warning And Control System. It is a mobile, long-range radar surveillance and control center for air defense.
Compare this with the US-made Lockheed Martin Patriot system which has an operational range of 40 km and can intercept targets at altitudes of up to 24.2 km whereas interceptors from THAAD system have an operational range of more than 200 km and can hit the targets at altitudes of up to 150 km.
Due to its relatively short-range target reach, the US Missile Defense Agency (MDA) has successfully demonstrated the interoperability of two key US ADS — Patriot and the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system.
Even the combination of the two is considerably inferior to Russia’s S-400.
So, why would Washington offer Turkey an inferior system to give up its Russian S-400?
Turkey has already been “sanctioned” for having purchased a Russian ADS, being a NATO member. It’s the “sanctions game” all over again. Turkey, like most countries, is getting seriously tired of this desperate US sanctioning for every country that refuses to follow Washington’s tune. But Turkey said NO. Period.
Washington has repeatedly affirmed it won’t reverse any of these “sanctions” until Ankara completely removes all S-400s and their components from Turkish soil. But Turkey stands solid.
The following timeline presents the main developments on the issue over the past year and their impact on Turkey’s relations with the United States, its NATO ally.
July 25, 2017 – President Tayyip Erdogan says Turkey has made progress in plans to procure the [Russian] S-400 missile defense system and signatures have been signed.
Dec 12, 2017 – Russia has offered Turkey partial financing for Ankara’s purchase of their ADS, Interfax news agency reports, citing a Russian presidential aide.
Dec 27, 2017 – The head of Russia’s Rostec corporation, Sergei Chemzov, says the S-400 contract is worth $2.5 billion, according to Kommersant daily.
Dec 29, 2017 – Turkey and Russia have signed an accord regarding supply of the systems, CNN Turk and other media said.
June 19, 2018 – A U.S. Senate committee passes a spending bill including a provision to block Turkey’s purchase of Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter jets unless it drops the plan to buy the S-400s.
March 28, 2019 – U.S. Senators introduce a bipartisan bill to prohibit the transfer of F-35 fighter aircraft to Turkey until the U.S. government certifies that Ankara will not take delivery of the S-400s.
April 3, 2019 – Turkey proposes to the United States to form a working group to determine that the S-400s do not pose a threat to U.S. or NATO military equipment.
June 7, 2019 – The United States decides to stop accepting any additional Turkish pilots to train on F-35 fighter jets.
End of story?
Not quite, as the US, desperate to win this argument, keeps pushing Turkey in one way or another to get rid of the S-400 Air Defense System and purchase instead the considerably inferior Patriot system.
But Turkey keeps saying nyet. See this Forbes report.
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It is laughable how Washington cannot accept defeat, even if there is no chance to reverse Turkey’s opinion – and knowing that Turkey is a crucial, maybe the most crucial NATO member.
Already in 2017, in an action of mistrust, NATO has removed all nuclear power heads from Turkish soil and transferred most of them to Italy, making Italy thereby a de facto nuclear power. NATO countries may use their nuclear war heads on their soil in cases of self-defense.
Turkey is playing both cards: a crucial NATO member, and an ally of Russia. Erdogan has always an eye to the east and maybe the other one to the west, attempting to say “good-bye”- yet still not quite.
What is interesting and yes, laughable is that Washington even tries to convince Turkey to trade her way superior Russian S-400 system against the US Patriot, which would be deployed to Defend Ukraine against Russia:
In recent weeks several proposals have been made to arm Ukraine with Russian-built military hardware from the arsenals of NATO member states.
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Now, American officials are proposing that NATO member Turkey could potentially arm Ukraine with the much more sophisticated Russian-built S-400 missiles it took delivery of in 2019.
“It is the very system, made by Russia, that American officials punished Turkey — a NATO ally — for buying from Moscow several years ago,” the New York Times noted. “Now American diplomats see a way to pull Turkey away from its dance with Russia — and give the Ukrainians one of the most powerful, long-range antiaircraft systems in existence.”
What the US media fails to address: How effective (from a strategic standpoint) would a Russian produced S-400 Air Defense system be in “defending Ukraine against Russia”??
Why on earth would Ukraine want a Russian air-defense system, which automatically communicates with its producer, so whatever move the Ukraine military would attempt to make with an S-400 system, Russia would immediately know about it?
India has also purchased the Russian S-400 in November 2021. They call it a “Game Changer.” They are excited about their acquisition, stationing it in the west of the country. Is it there that they need most air defense power? See this 5-min video.
Why would the US make a foregone futile attempt to convince Turkey to ship their S-400 system to Ukraine, and that in return for lifting US sanctions and for having to purchase the inferior US Patriot air defense system? It’s a mystery, other than the US desperation – one of a sinking ship – is getting so great, that the don’t know any more what they are doing.
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Peter Koenig is a geopolitical analyst and a former Senior Economist at the World Bank and the World Health Organization (WHO), where he has worked for over 30 years on water and environment around the world. He lectures at universities in the US, Europe and South America. He writes regularly for online journals and is the author of Implosion – An Economic Thriller about War, Environmental Destruction and Corporate Greed; and co-author of Cynthia McKinney’s book “When China Sneezes: From the Coronavirus Lockdown to the Global Politico-Economic Crisis” (Clarity Press – November 1, 2020).
Peter is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG). He is also is a non-resident Senior Fellow of the Chongyang Institute of Renmin University, Beijing.
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Accord western media the missile that shot down an Ukraine SU 27 over Kiev during first nights of the military operation, was a S-400 SAM and was launched from 200km away! which is is the longest distance at which an aircraft have been shot down since SAM missile operates.
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If Russia is selling it, they have something better. E.g. the s-500 Prometheus.
The American warmongers and their NATO lapdogs have become totally rabid, there are reports that they even asked India to give its S-400 to Ukrainian Nazis. Even a fascist Modi has now openly said that the west is trying to destroy Russia and using Ukraine as its launchpad. The racist British scum are the ones pushing this agenda.
Hey Trolsky why does Russia what to simultaneously victimize and yet try to play the victim? Maybe read the Russian propaganda with a bit of skepticism like a man
Next the desperate west will be asking China for S-400 too. The NATO warmongers are real low life criminals.
Putin must inspire loyalty, and quality equipment when his customers are willing to sell an S-400 to their enemy to fight against them
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Nobody is selling nothing to Ukraine you Moron. And now Israel and the Saudis joined the circle of Decent Nations who are against Degenerates (including Zelenski and Rasputin)
Maybe stop sucking Ciaisis bandera peepee.
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Yet again folks what we got is yet another soros funded gimp,who describes its own attributes to perfection,nothing new here,but thats ok,for each post comes a dozen more dead fascists and they allover the world whom aspire towards the satanic freedom jab to boot= TOTAL LOSERS:
Classic FSB Troll strategy, I guess you have to resort to profanity, because you can’t logically defend anything Russia is throwing out there these days.
The genocide of russian speakers in the ukraine is enough.
Ukraine braught this on itself for being a nato whore.
Sucks the people have to pay the price for a bunch of criminals ushered in power by the west.
Your just another blind idiot!
It does suck that Russian soldiers have to pay this terrible price for Putin’s vanity. And the Russian people will have a massive war reparations bill to pay.
Like a man? Did you meet one sometime. You being raised by your mom and lesbian aunt and rat shit crazy grandma I don’t think you are qualified to know what a man was. Since your dad dumped you mom when you were a infant you were destined to be a soy boy.
Lol you know me so well. Try harder you pathetic excuse for a Troll. Try using your big wards and logic skills
Shut up Soy Boy !!
Russia does not play victim, it gently reminds NATO to clear out of Ukraine.
The British scum ARE the tools of the father of all lies, satan. It is not fair though to blame the British people for being sick of being invaded with foreigners who hike up house prices, drive down wages and salaries, take our jobs and who they are too afraid of to go near? There are massive ghettoes filled with predominantly Muslims, predominantly from Pakistan and there are widespread abuses of our underage girls, which our police IGNORE. The mass invasion of the UK is not fair on the residents. Go to Birmingham and you will hardly see a white face. And the Poles, they come here, refuse to speak English and have decided that the British should learn Polish???.
Can’t comment on anything you wrote but the Polish bit, sorry for everything else but why do you keep voting turds into parliament?
I am sure it doesn’t just extend to “white” girls. Rather than sounding like a nazi, fight it as a community, regardless of race/colour. I don’t think anyone would turn around and disagree with you if you approached people with that in mind.
Now for the bit I can comment on: It’s okay, after all isn’t Poland the greatest ally in the fight versus the big bad Russians? Don’t the British make up for well over half of the instructors and “volunteers” (I.e. war criminals) that are in Ukraine right now?
I mean, if your superior tells you to jump, you jump right? But training steroid fuelled nazis…fighting with them and glamorising their combat way as the BBC has reported “fighting alongside the Ukrainians is like fighting alongside the taliban on steroids” is the same as the Germans saying “we didn’t know about all the death camps, the ash snowing down on us from burned corpses” or same as saying “I was just following orders to kill Jews”.
It’s the same fucking thing, but Ono one would shoot you in the Uk if you said “fuck off, I ain’t doing that” Germany WWII, you’d get shot. So…see what I mean?
So…balls in your court pal, explain yourself to me, because I don’t understand how you can do this and come back home and get on with life, knowing you are responsible, directly and indirectly, for everything that has happened in Ukraine.
This isn’t a video game, it’s not a random troll war online, it ain’t even bullying, you are killing and aiding others directly, in the process of ethnically cleansing east Ukraine.
They literally gave criminal scum the knowledge and weapons to not only bomb/shell/torture/kill/maim civilians and Russians but glamorised it in the media.
Please…explain it. And I will be calling you out if you sound like a German post WWII.
I am all ears, and I don’t hate no one but ukro trash. I don’t even judge you as individuals or as a nation, your leadership…different story but hey, we all have cunts for so called leaders.
So…balls in your court.
Will wait to see where westerners take their hungry, homeless population ones their Ponzi scheme collapses
+4m new ones of various origin from Ukraine. Of course UK Gov, with the Channel, can keep most of them out, the sheet stirring sneaky rats. EU people need to wake very fast and see how much they are being manipulated into poverty, and even a very big war.
You can sense the Panic of the desperate Western pedos.
and destroy Germany which is committing economic suicide by sanctioning energy it needs t run its own huge industry. The EU, especially Germany, needs to wake up very quickly what USA+UK are doing or it is going to plunge into poverty.
Because Turkey needs the money. Inflation in Turkey is up by 50%. It’s not like Russia where a cockroach like Vladimir Putin doesn’t give a shit about the Russian people so he doesn’t mind collapsing the economy. Everybody just saw how Russian supposedly superior weapons just got obliterated by a much better Ukranian force. S-400 means nothing. It’s just a number that the Russian morons love to use to pretend they know anything about warfare while their army just got annihilited on the battlefield.
You’re stupid. The Russian army kicked your ass! They temporarily left the Kiev area because, thus, they want to determine the “brave” Ukrainian fighters to “come to light” outside the cities, in order to kick their “Aryan” / Nazi butts from the sky, where the Russians Army hold absolute supremacy because the Ukrainian Air Force has volatized: it no longer exists!!! Too bad for your beautiful women and your children: you destroyed them with your “Aryan” infatuation! The horrific crimes You have committed CEASE Your right to exist as a State, your fate from now on is to be eternally a MINORITY within other states! England will be next…
Yeah, the moronic Russian convoy north of Kiev that was stuck there for a month finally decided to go back to Russia and celebrate a victory parade for the 18,000 Russian soldiers who were heroically burnt to death for no reason.
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You only have lies nothing else,you are certainly one very sic miserable fucktard whoms wishfull thinketh clearly spells the ukrappa/nazi/cia death toll as is weeks ago,no sht!
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I heard the same trash on 2016 battle of aleppo.
Yall suck, russia wins.
Crimea river!
are not the Iranians the true Aryans?
Since when were Slavs Aryan? They were categorized by the Nazis as subhuman, slightly above Jew but below blacks
Nein !! You was classified lower than Africans as a Soy Boy…
You are mixing up Russia with Ukropisstan tho.
Muhammad, are you speaking from your flying hoarse?
oops, horse. That horse is pegasus, did you know that was a child of Medusa? A pagan religion, islam comes from a pagans. Funny when ya think about it.
Naah…This clown is in some basement in tel aviv.
Hey fakeheart,you just described the true state of eugeddons inflation to perfection as for the fight you lied pathedicly miserably yet again,too much homosexual genes in your ukrappa soro ass eh boy! The fact it was clearly stated that formost consideration to save as many civilian lies as possible goes against your vile and utterly deplorable narratives,which is why you represent nazi/isis loser bums,anit that the gods honest truth eh,boy,keep posting cia desperato rants of no substance watch usa FAIL!
Your statments and names make me sense one long incoherent run on sentence. Please try harder Also if Zelensky is a midget at 5’7” what does that leave Putin at 5’3”? Lol a pathetic autocrat with short man syndrome.
They’re a Putin troll farm. Russia’s last line of defense.
NATO knows their cheap technology won’t last against Russia. They need Ukraine in the game for as long as they can have them. You know your technology is good when your enemies use it against you, and not use theirs
No it’s because everyone knows Slavs aren’t smart enough to be trained beyond a rudimentary level. Just look at the shorty Russian propaganda! Is easily pulled apart and contradictory to yesterday’s propaganda
You must live in a parallel Universe or just high on captagon.
You wrong !! The Mig-15 from the Korean War is better than the F-35…. And the AK-74, etc, etc. Ask the Green Berets that had to run away from the Houthis you Dimwit.
Propaganda fact check. NATO tech seems to have allowed the Ukrainians to fight the Russians to a stand still, and made them withdraw from the north. Lose more equipment and soldiers in a month then in the entire Afghan invasion.
I think after this poor showing Russia will have a harder time selling their weapons systems LOL
You proud of yourself? You are a waste of space
Why doesn’t the s400 protect against ukrainian helicopters and drones if it is that good?
So the ones getting shot down are your drones and helicopters? Those are overkills for S400 anyway. Pantsirs do the sucker’s job
s400 designed for high altitude fast targets—buk, panstyr, tor more effective forhelio/drones—as proven in syria
Lol ether Russian military is a paper tiger or it was a false flag attack that’s to be used to justify something terrible.
You cia/soros/nazi poofters need to worship less cnn and understand no one can defeat russian subsonic,supersonic let alone many a hypersonic missiles readily available on tap,assflogged! Bottom line? YOU’RE ALL GETTING OWNED!
They do. Ukraine lost 141 jets and 72 helos sofar. Aside from 300+ drones.
S400 is for highspeed targets, from afar.
400= 400km range its about as complicated as yoy can handle.
Low slow targers like helicopters are best for buk and pantsir close defense systems.
Sadly you cant have pantsir every 100m, be realistic a bit.
Turkish.
Isn’t it because the Ukrainians are families with the equipment, and can use it right away? While the patriot and THADD would take significant training?
Patriot and thadd are over price trash air defense
US is fueling the fires and destruction in Ukraine as always. NATO is a criminal and genocidal maniac.
Why does Putin allow himself to be controlled by NATO and USA?
Turkey’s choice of the S-400 was not merely meant to be superior, but also in defiance of the United States.
The U.S. shelters Erdogan’s arch enemy Gülen and supports the Kurdish Democratic Forces in Kurdish-controlled areas of Syria. In the first place, Turkey and the West have incompatible values. That is why relations are not good.
The S-400 would give Russia a hard time. Look what their defense systems from the 70s and 80s have done. That’s what you get for building good sh*t. Now we know why the US never attacked Iran, it’s those S-300s.
hillbilly usa empire descends to levels of failure and humiliation deserving extra popcorn
the US and UK, poisoning the world for 100’s years now.
The US is so filled with DECEPTION, they believe their own lies. They parade that the Russians are using inferior weapons to the US loololololo, that Russia’s weapons date back to soviet times and that the soviet weapons were not much cop anyway. They consider that Ukraine should have old soviet weapons as they will be better able to use them, without extra training. Perhaps they equated the S400 with old soviet weapons? Yes they are that stupid, cunning, filled with malice but stupid.
lET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING,USA CANNOT DEFEAT RUSSIA,EVEN IF RUSSIA STUCK TO SOVIET TECH,SEE USA HAS NO MISSILE TECHNOLOGY,THEY HAVE CHEAP MADE OVERPRICED SUBSONIC PILES OF JUNK AND STEALTH JETS WHICH MORE THAT SELF DESTRUCT THAN EVER BEAT A HALF DECENT MORE QUALITY BUILT PROVEN TECHNOLOGY,EVEN MUSK HAS NO IDEA OF HISTORY, EVEN ITS COFFERS LIMBO IN FEAR,WHY DOES USA NOT HELP AND SEND STEALTH FIGHTERS AGAINST RUSSIANS OR CHINESE ANYWHERE THESE DAYS,SIMPLE THEY WOULD GET DESTROYED!
Usa= inferior sodomy tech of the 21st century= too many p00fs,scams,lies,unreliability +performance! The soo fastest bomber in history,proven no faster than mach 1.4 usa are just soo fullovit (period)
Paranoia in moderation. If Russia were superior, many countries would turn to the Russian side. In reality, that is not the case. The U.S. has advanced technology and highly skilled personnel, so there are fewer casualties in war. If a country is willing to suffer many casualties, it is because the lives of its citizens are of low value. That is why technological innovation is not happening. They are spoiled by casualties.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html
The Bucha mass killings were faked by Ukraine’s leadership because President Volodymyr Zelensky is an actor, and Russia had no motive to kill civilians, a Chinese military expert concluded this week amid reports of horrific atrocities in the city northwest of Kyiv.
Maybe Russian motive is to terrify civilians into fleeing befor their army? Leave towns empty to be destroyed, and clog up roads to hamper reinforcements, cause provisioning refugee problems etc. Make Ukraine tired of fighting and ask for truce? Lots of reasons why. Chinese and Russia governments lie
Disney called they want you back…
Third variant: Because Patriot is utmost crap that is not even capable of defending against slow, homegrown Houthi drones.
Heck even soviet rockets would destroy usa sissys in poland,nuff said!
This is a global challenge. Do you know why Russian helicopters and fighter jets are flying at low altitudes? If they cannot be used effectively, they are meaningless fighters.
However, if you think about it, fighter jets may not be essential as long as we have satellite and missile technology. And as long as we have powerful missiles, we won’t be able to fly costly fighter jets that have a high risk of being shot down.
I think the US doesn’t want to provide Ukraine with a patriot system, cos the world will see what a piece of junk it is. It certainly didn’t work in Saudi Arabia or Iraq…..
Patriot cant even defend saudis against toy drones.
Exactly,their defense contractors are the biggest packa greedy demented wankers in the planet,rich only for the very few chosen sodomites,otherwise dumb as sht but for fake x,fake security,+ all bribes! One must sympathise with otherwise american patriots whom believe are in it with half a shot,problem is these scummy ripoff sales merchants don’t give a rats arse not even to any american,ukranian or anyone on planet earth they are a misleading evil corporatios that need be locked in a padded cell boxes 4 fails!
Max target speed is 4800m/sec thats around 17000kph not 4800kph.
Turkey said already no. So thats that.
Worst and most bizarre business deal the Russian Federation could have EVER made!
Indeed
Why is that?
If it pissess off nato, i say fair game!
NATO cant even win the capitalist game through competition. When that happens, you let the fascist crazies out, as we are seeing in ukraine.
Study more history. Start by reading ramin mazerhi.
Cheers.
We are just testing our Allies. Are you a traitor or a friend? its your OWN choice whether you are a terrorist or you will be with your friends? You cant be with both, you cant both have peace and be friends with an axis of evil! You say you prefer terrorists and that you are against America, and this my little friend must have consequences. Suddenly one day YOU will feel the pain because YOU refused freedom………….LOL.
Turkey is known to play both sides since world war 2. The US can’t do shit about it
Excuse me but why don’t we hear any number about Ukrainian casualties ???
They are either ALL CIVILIANS ( who Russia SLAUGHTERS without mercy )or MYTHICAL WARRIORS( who the Russians are INCAPABLE of killing) so which is it ???
Here’s the smart move Russia shouldn’t have sold them(S-400) to Turkey in the first place
Russia already developed s500 air defense capable of shooting even satellite
And US still stuck using junk air defense struggle to shootdown drone made by farmer
NATO is about to start chewing off it’s own arm. The lemming effect is about to take place.
Remember when Iran took over the controls of the American drone and landed it and Obama asked for it back. Our American craziness knows no bounds.