Syrian Army Encircling Saraqib As Turkish Forces Ingore Scheduled Joint Patrol With Russia In Syria’s Northeast

Oh yes, most of them are dead. Great succes for them.

Most live in Copenhagen and east Danish pastry :) since most Danish fags were their patsies, true story.

Jens is a salami short of a sandwich, a complete nutter!

Of course I am a nutter reading all kinds of medias about it and some You never has been allowed to hear about.

And of course I am a nutter knowing the backgrpund for what happend before and after the Osmannic collapse.

The real regulars here are the ones believing more on constructed historie tellings for bad nationalisme then vital parts of Islam.

They never has written any parts of the Choran as I have. They only have learn it in light mode short versions given by old men never been able to read a single line in Old Arabic. Woemn of course has to be kept down and men up by birth so several muslim countries are best known for their rape rates and child abuse.

Making walls around it so it can be kept in the family does not improve that impression. And Yes, I do follow law stuff about it even propsed in Your parlaments. I PM proposed something like that here those PMs would be in jail right away for years and had to pay a lot of compensation to the girls and vomen.

And Our version is like that. BUT YOU pay compensation to the familyand almost always blame the girls and women hard.

I mention that part, because thats how You handle complicated things like whats going on in Syria, Iraq and Turkey.

You never allow Yourself to see the real things to be solved in a realistic way. In thissite I see the same. Your own makes no mistakes and are good people drinking tea sitting on Your hands – And then the other attack You verbally offending You and even use guns.

And of course its not as bad as it could be, because You all blame Jews, Zionists. Israel. Mossad, CIA. Americans, Nato, EU and anybody else.

If I compare to here, I should blame MEs for my house is not cleaned even I had 3 muslims here 1 time 5 MINUTES 2 years ago.

LOL, dude you are a hoot, BTW, what did rant mean and what were 3 Muslims doing in your house? on the other hand please don’t explain :)

My golden bahthtub is full of oil from Syria as a gift my Trump by a gift from Putin. They were allowed to take a shower at their birthdays.

All 3 women a little too young for me had no clothe apart from some hair under their arms, but now they are permanent dressed in black apart from their heads and hands almost a month. they come back when someone says: I think ISIS can sée You – even in the dark nights.

I only has tryed that kind of adventures few times yet but hope for 1001 arabic nights with them one by one and only one a week.

If they would, they could make sudden death here.

Its a very big change livingh and working here. They do have permanent relative well paid jobs and therefore gets a lot of tax.

When they arrived they were a little skinny and in bad shape and fysical hard laybor and needed doctors several times as well as a dentist. But now they pay back with interest and even insist.

I only needed to learn the being good labor for them and all of us, and they never had heard about tothbrushes. But they know where the Syrian gold is, when some from the Baathparty open the mouth.

Thast why poor Syrians are experts in soup. So may Syrians drink wine for medical care and more then Noah recommended.

So thank Your for that Mr Trump and Mr Assad.

I was winner in some lottery for men having having lost their wifes with no grandchildren over 18. Now I might even might get some from the start too.

Trump seemes to be sponsered by some named Black Water.

Thats no my ideas, but as long as You only read Your own medias and not the many sober ones, You are not able to see, whats going on as well as making any kind of peace unless all enemies are killed.

And You dont reflect at all about all the millions of refugees and displaced ones. You dont relflect on the dead ones. You dont refælect on the destruction.

Ypou just say: Thats the price. BUT IT IS NOT. Thats the and kind of mismanegement YOU CHOOSE.

Your ideas please as I am willing to know !

Unfortunatly I dont decide.

I would go back to the end of WW1 and make new borders and several Emirates. It seemes as perople in the Region apart from the Turks are not able to run bigger states such as Syria and Iraq.

That also goes for Libya as well as Yemen, Pakistan/Afghanistan and fx Sudan.

By that I would make Emirates for Damaskus, Homs, Aleppo, Raqqa, Diabykir, Mosul, Turkish kurdistan in iraq and the Shiit part of Iraq.

That of course cover Turks should let their halfs of Aleppo, Raqqa and Diabykir go and maybee some small part to Iraqi Kurdistan of today.

Those all should decide all local stuff themself by own parlaments and independent tax collaction.

Every citicen there should have a bankaccount and share incomes in oil and gas as single persons. Children should get only half and that oly should be used for education for them.

Almost all need education or extra education. A good argument is, that too many from outisde the country actually also takes jobs from the locals, because the locals are not quilified to take over and even seemes to deny that.

Another parts is – as SDFs has done – to take away all nationalistic history and history books and burn them. No oictures for any Assad or for that Maliki or naybody else. I see those pictures make more fear then any trust. Use them on money or creditcard only.

And its not only oil and gas. There will be much less water in the rivers and we also see Turks take morte and more. Regulations are needed and thats not a countrý thing. The waste of water is too too high. A reform is putting much more water in pipes, making bigger fields and irrigate lad land but better and use machines.

By that You can create well paids jobs and make advanced ones by oil, by foof for export by a cooled transportsystem as well as maybee improve the cotton and clothe production.

But the main thing is Syria, Iraq and the eastern parts of Turkey is one big zone and market, where things are not in tribes anymore. Land can be bought by any anywhere even soe selectivity will be used.

More sekularisme makes same rights and duties for all and unite people. Today most history told in tribes, languages or etnicities tell everybidy else are not good people, but they are themselves. Unfortunatly thats not true at all.

Those Emeirates by that also are protected zones. If You wish and dont like fx Kurds, You freely can get a new Region Passport aand be protected by the local county javing its own polices, courts and for that matter jails too.

I see no reasons for Neo-Colonialistic borders made by French and Britts not long time ago should be permant as killed for. So I go back in time and look at the traditional border made by Ottomans partly copying them from the Greek Roman Empire but also Persians.

And on warmaps of today I am confirmed. Aleppo province is its own by Jihadists and Turks. SDF kurds had the Raqqa province. Kurds and somebody else then Bagdad has the northern Iraq.

So Damaskus, Ankara and Bagdad should retreat. None of them have good structure as well as they dont understand parts of their artificial territory.

But the can make roads, aorports, internet, TV, negosiate good contracts for oil and gas and a lot of things. They should be reduced to those things and by that need tax for that.

army is needed. because they have no enemies. The armies there are very expensive and mainly are used for dirty bad internal conflict denying any peacefull and sober solutions.

And forget Golan. What so important. There never was any Syria before 1946. How can any claim Israel to not be eble to defend themselves after 1967 and next 1973.

Damaskus was not able to join Baathist in Bagdad with them. Gamel Addel Nasser was a failure. Wars since 1948 against Israel has been failures. Invading Lebanon was a fiasko. Russia taking over most of Syria is a succes.

50% unimployment for Syrians,Iraqs, Lebanese and It´ran is a succes. No job , no food, nó clothe, no roof and no hopes are pefect for recruoting soldiers – Isnt it.

We have seen no grow in most areas in the region for decades. But no change because the stae governes are power keepers as well as not een having structures or allowing such for improvements.

The only ones having any plans for the future are the SDF kurds, and none likes them.

So Counsils, name them as You wish – Emirates, Counties, Villayets should be allowed and allow people in them to be rewarded for needed changes.

And I forgot an important last thing. No more censurship lying all the time or even worse. Syrians and the other should have reliable acces to anything from the rest of the world, so they as a minimum can copy the good parts. I dont care its form East, West, North or South.

A very good version, which by the way also is Russian is, that the large middle class not even exist. We see You are learned how bad those rich mainly rich Jews run things, and we also see the many poor well.

But You never show the several 100 millions there doing fine as well as many of the poor in USA are less poor then the poor ones in Syria and Iraq ever has been.

Dude, the Danish cupcake is a fruitloop and you are trying to debate with him :)

I see, good questions.

Erdogan understands what Putin is trying to do and the great importance attached to succeeding – pull Turkey out of NATO and US orbit. So Erdogan is using this as leverage to get Russia to back Turkey in ways that are not in Russia’s interests such as Syria and Libya – Putin called for a ceasefire when the LNA had the upper-hand over the GNA.

We can see the limits of Russian influence – Assad is not playing along, neither is Haftar, and remember when Putin said foreign troops should leave Syria – meaning Iranian troops should leave as desired by Netanyahoo. Iran’s response was a terse rebuke as might be expected given betrayal (deconfliction agreement between Israel and Russia).

I think that you’re misinterpreting the reality. Erdogan is manipulating? He may well be thinking that way but I suggest that we wait and see what the end result is. Also, to think that SAA is acting on their own now (without Russia’s direct help and direction) = ignoring facts.

First I agree… Loser Erdogan is definitely not manipulating Putin. When it comes to Assad I think that both of you are right to the extent…. Assad was never true allay of Russia even though people are completely detached from the facts “misinterpreting the reality” Russia have never had single agreement with Syria of that kind. And Assad doesn’t really have the same policy in Syria as Russia. The same goes for Iran and Assad. Assad wants benefits of Russian protection but refuses responsibilities

Hi Tudor, sorry for the delay. I paste below my response to Z.P. As it explain my point of view. I also give my opinion on how Russia may deal with Erdogan going forward – look foreword to your thoughts. —————— Pardon the length but the topic is quite involved. —————— Why are things not working out for Erdogan? Well I state why – Erdogan overestimated Putin’s ability to deliver on Turkish demands but this is, as I also mentioned, a consequence of Erdogan overplaying his hand. In other words, Erdogan may understand he holds some aces, but he is playing his hand rather poorly.

As for Erdogan manipulating Russia, I state that this is how Erdogan sees it and his actions are guided by this although in a very highhanded way. Now Russia has contributed to this impression, for example, by calling multiple ceasefires and another is the rather convoluted arrangement involving border security with Syria and Turkey that is prone to violations, some quite serious. The constant violations in Idlib should have been reason to demand Turkey bring order else kick Turkey out of the Astana Process for shielding the militants and worse, arming them and overlooking their transgressions as they use Turkish supplied weapons to inflict casualties -on both Syrian citizens as well as SAA soldiers.

I see this as attempt to keep Erdogan from running back into the arms of the US but this short term strategy seems to me to come at the risk of damage to Russian diplomatic prestige that could be costly in the long term. I also do not think appeasing Erdogan is necessary at this point.

Erdogan is not about to eagerly run back into the arms of Trump who is expected to win a second term. Trump has not ended the policy of supporting the Kurds and now has them sitting on Syria’s main oil fields.

The S-400 drives a wedge in the long term and creates Turkish dependency on Russia. Further, Erdogan remembers who incited a coup against him and also, Trump will not forget any time soon the embarrassment Erdogan caused to MbS and Trump over the Kashoggi murder.

Lastly, NATO is now a big question mark as to its future and this uncertainty will continue whether Erdogan is appeased or not.

Lastly, I agree that it is not a formal alliance but Russia wants permanent bases in Syria so a strong and stable Syria is desired as this will greatly reduce terrorist threats enhancing security. Therefore, Russian and Syrian interests are aligned and Russia has helped Assad push back the terrorists decisively – so while not formal allies, they are natural allies and media refer to them as allies.

The problem is that for Russia, Turkish hostility towards Russia and Syria is an important security consideration regarding long term viability of Russian bases in Syria. This creates a tension in balancing Turkish interests and Syrian+Russian joint interests. Erdogan understood the tension and the leverage he could use to advance Turkish interests but I think he overplayed his hand as I said before.

All in all, I think Russia and Syria are de facto allies with or without formal agreement. Note that the Syrian invitation to Russia to have military assets operating in Syria is a type of military alliance. If Russia were to consistently act against the interests of Syria, Russian forces can be asked to leave by Damascus. Certainly Putin would not want to become an occupier, making Russia no different from the US – so Russia has to behave within reason.

To me, Erdogan does not need to be appeased to the extent of what has been in the past. Going forward, Erdogan needs Russia as much as Russia needs Turkey (or even more one might say).

So Lavrov, start cracking that whip so it whistles in the vicinity of Erdogan’s buttocks.

If “Erdogan understands what Putin is trying to do” how come he is not winner but banal loser ? Normally when people are more intelligent they have advantage to know everything in advance and that gives them possibility to checkmate opponent. What was that” leverage” about if he is about to lose?

I do not see that as “limits” of Russian influence. Despite the fact that you talk about “alliance”?!? There was never ever single formal agreement between Syria and Russia of any kind! They are merely informal “allays” of convenience. Assad went to Paeris to ask for help in 2015. When he understood that he will get no help from France he went to Putin as his last option to ask for help! So it was that formal invitation that makes them some kind of “allays” of convenience but with NO FORMAL AGREEMENT to the present day! So Russia is not really an allay (like Iran for example) So “limits of Russian influence”. never existed. Since there are no agreement and no “influence”. There was true agreement and “alliance” between Assad’s father and USSR only. Belarus is the closest Russian allay Today even China is close Russian allay (much more than Syria will ever be). There are other SCO allays. But those 2 are the closest.

Russia has got her 2 military bases in exchange for assistance and weapons & ammunition – to destroy terrorists as common intrest Syria and Russia also. Yes ” foreign troops should leave Syria ” since it was impossible to ask only US to leave without offering everybody else to leave as well. Of course Russian’s in those 2 bases would stay since they have regular contracts with Syria. It is absurd to expect that Iranians stay in Syria AFTER the WAR in greater numbers and that Israel doesn’t see that as clear sign of hostility. Syria can do whatever they want of course.. But by keeping those Iranians they are scarifying their peace for Iranian interests only. Russia has her bases and is not concerned by Syrian choices and politics. Those are Assads problem

hey, you former soviet officer! You tell now something else what told putin in 2015.

You are simply extremly weak, local middle power, you have no power to save any friendly country.

you are liars.

Why are things not working out for Erdogan? I state why – Erdogan overestimated Putin’s ability to deliver on Turkish demands but this also relates to another issue I pointed out which is that Erdogan is overplaying his hand. In other words, Erdogan understands the cards he holds in his hands, but he is playing his hand poorly.

As for manipulating Russia, I state that this is how Erdogan sees it and is playing it (in a very highhanded way) and Russia has contributed to this impression by calling multiple ceasefires and a rather convoluted arrangement involving border security with Syria and Turkey. The constant violations in Idlib should have been reason to demand Turkey bring order else kick Turkey out of the Astana Process for shielding the militants and worse, arming them and overlooking their transgressions as they use Turkish supplied weapons to inflict casualties – both Syrian citizens as well as SAA soldiers.

I see this as attempt to keep Erdogan running back into the arms of the US but this short term strategy seems to me to come at the risk of damage to Russian diplomatic prestige cost in the long term. I also do not think appeasing Erdogan is necessary at this point.

Erdogan is not about to eagerly run back into the arms of Trump who is expected to win a second term. Trump has not ended the policy of supporting the Kurds and now has them sitting on Syria’s main oil fields.

The S-400 drives a wedge in the long term and creates Turkish dependency on Russia. Further, Erdogan remembers who incited a coup against him and also, Trump will not forget any time soon the embarrassment Erdogan caused to MbS and Trump over the Kashoggi murder.

Lastly, NATO is now a big question mark as to its future and this uncertainty will continue whether Erdogan is appeased or not.

Lastly, I agree that it is not a formal alliance but Russia wants permanent bases in Syria so a strong and stable Syria is desired as this will greatly reduce terrorist threats enhancing security. Therefore, Russian and Syrian interests are aligned and Russia has helped Assad push back the terrorists decisively – so while not formal allies, they are natural allies and media refer to them as allies.

The problem is that for Russia, Turkish hostility towards Russia and Syria is an important security consideration regarding long term viability of Russian bases in Syria. This creates a tension in balancing Turkish interests and Syrian+Russian joint interests. Erdogan understood the tension and the leverage he could use to advance Turkish interests but I think he overplayed his hand as I said before.

All in all, I think Russia and Syria are de facto allies with or without formal agreement. Note that the Syrian invitation to Russia to have military assets operating in Syria is a type of military alliance. If Russia were to consistently act against the interests of Syria, Russian forces can be asked to leave by Damascus. Certainly Putin would not want to become an occupier, making Russia no different from the US – so Russia has to behave within reason.

To me, Erdogan does not need to be appeased to the extent of what has been in the past. Going forward, Erdogan needs Russia as much as Russia needs Turkey (or even more one might say).

So Lavrov, start cracking that whip so it whistles in the vicinity of Erdogan’s buttocks.

“Erdogan understands the cards he holds in his hands, but he is playing his hand poorly” This is pure oxymoron statement! Pure nonsensical contradiction where you want to have it both ways in the same time. You even call Putin stupid by claiming that Erdogan has “overestimated Putin’s ability to deliver “?!? So according to you: despite the fact that Erdogan is already more intelligent he even overestimated Putin “?!?!! And Erdogan still has lost despite all that “advantage”?!!! So according to you Putin is some kind of half idiot, not capable to “deliver” his own plans the way he has planned…And on top of everything Erdogan see all those Putins plans in advance( which is above exceptional human capacity) Yet despite Putin’s half wit and Erdogans genius he fails becasue he can’t execute his plans properly?!? Erdogan can not be so intelligent to “understand in ADVANCE Putin’s plans and intentions” and be so retarded to “play poorly” his own game in the same time! Either he is more intelligent than Putin and he is seeing and “understanding” everything in advance or he is idiot not capable to play his cards well. ” I state why ” Yes you do.The problem is that your statement doesn’t make sens. Putin has outsmarted so many world leaders yet you present him as totally inferior to Erdogan despite FACTS on the GROUNDthat deny your logic?! And on top despite giving exceptional perspicacity to Erdogan you call him stupid by labeling him not to know how to execute his own plans.

I have no interest going into the details and development of your premise since it is built on fundamentally wrong logic.

i thank you for your time and effort. It was interesting talking to you.

If you have no interest in debating with me, you have a strange way of showing it. But I am glad that you made the effort nonetheless.

The point is Mr Melanson is that my hypotheses from the start is that; Your premise on situation between Turkey and Russia is fundamentally wrong and contradicts facts on the ground. Your explanation of that contradiction (of the facts on the ground ) is also pure contradiction in itself. So elaborating all that or making some other logical pirouettes to compensate absence of logic will not bring us any closer to the right answer.

Let me put this way: We agree to disagree. And we are not getting any closer to clarifying the problem, through our exchange. So it is pointless to continue. You stick with what you believe I have no problem with that. I just do not agree with that. And you haven’t change my opinion not even tiny bit (at the contrary). Bye and take care.