SDF in Raqqa city
The Syrian Democratic Council (SDC) – the political wing of the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) – is currently negotiating with the Damascus government in preparation for a handover of the Arab city of Raqqa, the UK-based news outlet al-Araby al-Jadeed reported on July 1.
During May, Raqqa witnessed several protests against the Kurdish-dominated force. Later on June 23, the SDF’s security forces (Asayish) launched a security operation against the US-backed Free Syrian Army (FSA) group Thuwar al-Raqqa Brigade in the city and managed to neutralize it after expelling its leader.
According to al-Araby al-Jadeed, neutralization of the Thuwar al-Raqqa Brigade was among the main demands of the Damascus government. The UK-based outlet added that pro-government activists in Raqqa are currently preparing the ground for the handover of the city to the government.
On June 30, the Hezbollah media wing in Syria reported that locals of the Arab Abu Shaaban tribe raised the Syrian flag on several key buildings inside Raqqa. This may confirm some of al-Araby al-Jadeed claims.
The SDF captured Raqqa from ISIS on October 17 of 2017 after an intense battle, during which most of the city was destroyed. This led to anger among the locals, especially that the US-led coalition didn’t support any recovery efforts in the war torn city, regardless of the U.S. claims.
If such a development took place, the handover of Raqqa city to the Damascus government will be a huge development and another strong sign of the improving relationship between Damascus and the SDF. This would also confirm that the U.S. administration is seeking an early withdraw from Syria.
Very good development. Let all the yellow turn into red and give the Kurds autonomy so the Yanks will have to go and the Kurds will form a bufferzone against Sultan Erdocunt
Let all the yellow turn into red and DO NOT give the Kurds autonomy. Do not give something that is not yours if you are not ready to give something that is yours.
Need to look at Al Jazeera maps very funny to see at times wonder if they are smoking there.
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This is a very interesting news. Syria is clearly trying to balance with Kurds and Turks too (Syrian FM was saying about restoring relations with Turkey). However, a lot more important is Deir-Ezzor countryside with Omar Oil Fields!
The us is looking to with draw. Thats why southern syria is going out with a whimper why turkey is green lighted To annex syrian territory why the kurds are getting betrayed(again) why france was invited in.
Its trump folks. Hes fulfulling campaign promises. It just has to be done sneakily with plausible deniability.
TRUMP 2020.
Raqqa was bombed to smithereens by the american zionists,which is a war crime,so they dont want to be shamed into rebuilding,as they only exist to destroy.That is a good reason to hand whats left of the city back to Damascus.Zionist scumbags.
The SAA abandoned Raqqa in early March of 2012 when Islamist rebel groups were launching assaults on the city which abled them to take control of the city in a matter of hours. They did that since the city was full of refugees and the locals were anxious to avoid the destruction of buildings from prolonged fighting. That happened anyways when the “rebel” groups fought ISIS over control of the city. The residents weren’t happy with ISIS and wanted them gone so shouldn’t be complaining on how that was done. I read an US Army Corps of Engineers study on Raqqa after ISIS was ran out/defeated. They were told by the locals that their water, sewer and electrical systems were constantly having problems so needed to be replaced. The Corps figured if that was done then it’d be more practical to raze most of the city first to build a new one with wider streets more logically laid out. I’m sure that’s why nothing major has been done yet. The city also needs new road and railroad bridges over the Euphrates for commercial traffic in both directions. Those won’t be built unless Damascus has control of Raqqa so it’s makes sense for the Kurds to let them have it since the bridges will benefit the northern agricultural sector and Syria’s economy.
That assessment of the US engineer… Did they considered the inhabitants livelihoods after their glorified bombing ?
Lively hoods doing what while under ISIS rule? Reselling goods they had to buy at inflated prices from ISIS or working for them digging tunnels and moats?
Well they somehow assess them under ISIS rule ? Not after they “liberated” them ? Because those inhabitants need their livelihood recovers. At the very least the basic one. Did those US ‘freedom’ forces doing any recovery at all ? For the Raqqa inhabitants ?
It was common knowledge on how the Raqqa residents got by under ISIS control. The US has been providing assistance getting the basic services restored: water, electrical service and sanitation. So far 100,000 Raqqa residents have returned and started rebuilding. Their major complaint is over criminal gangs from that area and elsewhere in Syria that came there steal the money from anyone that’s engaged in rebuilding and those being paid to do the work. They’re using their own money and what dribbles in from international relief agencies since the Syrian government can’t provide any help other than restoring services where possible in the west. Their other gripes are being unable to trust SAA units south of the river since those weren’t any better than the current criminal gangs when they were stuck in camps over there and their foolish expectations for the USA to pay all their costs for rebuilding. Russia hasn’t shown much interest in providing funds to rebuild the areas they blew apart by bombing the rebels/extremists so why should the USA foot the bill for people who told the SAA then the rebels to leave their shitty old city so it wouldn’t get destroyed by fighting?
There are no rebuilding done whatsoever to Raqqa after their glorified bombing. If there is they’d highlight those rebuilding effort NOT preventing the international community inquiry into it. Go take your stupid lies elsewhere.
The Corps figured if that was done then it’d be more practical to raze most of the city first to build a new one with…
What idiot razes an old [or ancient] city to build a new one? Did Italians destroyed Venice with all of it maddening problems to build a new one or did the Belgians razed Brugge, Ghent and Antwerp? Specially considering many of old cities in Europe were damaged severely using the same tactic by Americans and the British. It’s their usual way of waging war.
All cities have problems with their infrastructures and the repairs are done systematically and with preservation of the heritage in mind. Do they feel the same for Philadelphia or Boston with their crumbling water and sewer systems?
I believe it’s the American way of dodging responsibility for the destruction they caused in Raqqa.It’s just another lame excuses they could think of at the moment of question. The biggest problem with this excuse? They razed the city while it’s inhabitants were living in it which resulted in unbelievable number of deaths, or as they call it, “the collateral damage”.
An idiot with no history and the arrogance to lay claim to the future.
Also, plantation owners.
The full extent of Raqqa’s destruction will at least be known to Syria and the world. To date no photos have been released that I’m aware of, so its probably very bad news for the city that was known for its temples of the Goddess Isis. Aside from that, I smell a complete victory for Syria.
Raqqa looks the same as Aleppo, which is all screwed up from years of fighting and extensive bombing by the Russians.
The World is full of ruined ancient cities, especially the Mid-East. Syria is full of devastated villages, towns and cities. Assad will focus the rebuilding were it makes economic sense. In Raqqa’s case, then that would be on the north side of town where the major industries are located. He’ll get those up and running again while building housing for the workers first then futz with the rest later.
This is how your supposed to do sewer/water/electrical. No drop a marine artillery battalion and flatten the place.
Us Army Corps know better…they just plain lied.
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Non they want to sell you the cement to rebuild
I prefer to wait for confirmation from the Syrian government and YPD directly.
Without other signs of cooperation, I think handing over the city of Raqqa alone won’t be enough to be convinced of the Kurd’s good heart. Raqqa is an Arab city which hate to be ruled over by Kurds, it’s destroyed and rebuilding it will be a huge burden for it’s holder (of course the Syrian government will rebuild it regardless of the financial and material cost, it’s theirs). Kurds can’t rebuild Raqqa and can’t keep it ruined, so perhaps they thought let’s get rid of it and ask for something in return. The US doesn’t pay for what it breaks and Saudis gave the finger to the Kurds, they prefer their own [Wahhabi] proxies.
These are the same people who didn’t hand over Afrin to the government, didn’t hand over Manbij and raced with SAA to capture Al-Bukamal before them to cut their land bridge. Currently they hold the majority of Syria’s energy sources too, or so they think.
TL,DR, if Kurds continue to reconcile and cooperate with government, then they’re serious, it’s good for everybody and they’ll have blessing of a lot of important people, otherwise giving back just Raqqa is sure to get rid of it and all the trouble that comes with it. A Persian proverb says “cat doesn’t catch a mouse to please god”.
Of course, the Syrian government could always refuse to take administration of Raqqa back over from the Kurds for the time being. Kind of like a bargaining chip.
Assad to Kurds:
“You don’t want administer and manage Syria’s sixth-largest city of a quarter-million pissed off Arabs that hate you? Well, we might consider taking it back, but it would include the whole district around Raqqa – like the farms and Euphrates east banks.
And we’ll also need Tabqa – the dam, the city… and the air base. Yeah, I know the U.S. wanted them, but it’s not their war booty – it’s ours.
All that reconstruction is going to cost a fortune. We’re not taking any filthy U.S. dollars or letting them participate at all in reconstruction. Same with those Saudi fucks. Syria will probably need a lot of oil to help finance the reconstruction, so you would need to hand back over the Omar Oilfields to us, too.
Negotiations? Ah… no. There will be no negotiations for Syrian sovereign territory. Those are Syria’s conditions. Accept them now, accept them before Raqqa Arabs attack the Kurds for destroying their city or accept those terms after the Tigers show up – it doesn’t matter to us either way. But thanks for calling… goodbye.” [click]
Kurds: “But… but… WAIT! Don’t hang up… shit!“
Perfect!! I can;t think of any better Policy to be followed by Central Government in Damascus. Now that Southern Syria is returning to the Syrian State with little or no serious losses among Syrian State forces, they are free to move East and concentrate on regaining Raqqa and the entire of Eastern Syria.
Animosity towards Kurdish forces and political wings wouldn’t decrease anyhow.
Good discussion guys. I would like to add to the reconstruction point.
Most of the cement powder would come from Lafarge’s plant up the road. So the Syrians, in order to rebuild what the west destroyed, have to surprise surprise buy it from lafarge…
I would say give us raqqa the dam and that plant.
Too bad lafarge you shoulda not have been in cahoots with al nusra. They were even releasing safety bulletins out of “accidents” in and around that plant. A lot of tanker truck crashes actually.
I suppose if the US or Saudis are the ones rebuilding Raqqa, Concrete Mike. It would mean US and France lose of their helicopter base in the parking lot (which is probably making LaFarge way more money than baking concrete – check w/Hillary) but Assad isn’t big on using money from ‘the West’ for reconstruction. Don’t know how that would affect buying concrete from local companies owned by ‘the West’, but Assad isn’t a fan. Since the LaFarge kiln and Raqqa are still both ostensibly in SDFistan, ‘the West’ would simply be feeding itself. Kurds would rather just get the cash up front and – maybe – rebuild Raqqa. After a few decades of local council meetings arguing about the specifics.
From RT a couple days ago: ‘We Don’t Need the West’: Assad to Ban Foreign Money from Syria Reconstruction
…The war has dealt billions in damage to the country, but President Assad is determined to rebuild without a single penny from the “dishonest” West.
“They [the West] won’t be part of reconstruction in Syria, because very simply we won’t allow them to be part of it… we don’t need the West. The West is not honest at all, they don’t give, they only take,” the Syrian leader told Russian NTV channel on Sunday…
Ouch!
There is also a cement plant in aleppo city, just south of the academy where saa beat al nusra after very hard battle.
They could repair it but the war really took a toll on it. All depends if they got a good limestone source close.
Or you could buy it from greece and boat it in. A big company in quebec did that while i was buying from them.
I had a rule… ABL. Anything but lafarge LOL
By Allah, you will not see from us other than harshness and severity and whoever among you escapes our explosives and is not reached by our weapons will certainly die on account of being enraged at our victory.
Just die, rat. Just die.
*yawn *
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Wait a minute! You guys actually work for those center to right (US/Israel/Nato) – they were your air cover all of this time? Why do you make such pictures now? Cash flow dried out?
They excluded us from ceasefire agreements bastards!
You hit the nail on the head. But it’s even worse for the Kurds. They Turks are emboldened to suppress any Kurdish nationalist movement since the Afrin operation. They proved that the US will not lift a finger to protect the Kurds against them, which means all of Northern Syria can be used as a bufferzone by the Turks against them. It’s a foregone conclusion that the Turks will leave Syria while they can still get concessions from the Russians and still not have to rebuild the Syrian territories. The Kurds aren’t even a consideration in their minds after Afrin. Manbij is the next apple to fall to Turkey now. SYRIA IS A HEADACHE for Donald Trump. He doesn’t see the value of operating there and he doesn’t value the Kurdish disposition either politically or militarily.. He wants out and the Turks are more than willing to assist him pulling out. The Kurds might as well realize this: it’s over, there’s no way they will get a US backed Kurdistan in Syria. The Arabs in the Syria national space would never agree to that and the American would never fund it Game Over.
The Turks are attacking the Kurds in Aleppo and big talk of Hamas offensive from HTS apparently Turkey Silly Army is expecting to come in on the coattails.
What you trying to say boy
Simple Sultan Turks are traitors and should be extirpated from Syria and Turkey Would be best for the planet good way to recycle trash in a useful way.
Not long now. your turn will come soon brainless idiot
I am a Cossack do you think your petty threats scare me , I will always be free and you a slave to others good bye, slave.
Cossack you’re Russian slave as always
Your the Janissary descendant of a clerk not a fighter so keep it up Turk even your Kurdish dogs no longer want to fight for you.
Besides you know Czars and all Nobles of Europe had to allow us our freedom or we would no longer fight in their wars even Bolsheviks had ceded that fact. Even Hitler prized Cossacks to fight against communism as they fought as Elites for the Wermacht not Waffen SS even though they had better supplies lines and a equipment one always wants the best for their people.
you still fighting doing policing for Russia . You never gone be free nation.
We are free and world wide will always be free by choice, maybe we should retake Ukraine from the thieving Nazi Fascists and NATO/US/Euro scum wouldn’t take long.
Go for it and good luck .
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Oh, yeah. Just blame US humanitarian efforts, have you heard about the meyhem that is Damascus?!?! (Or the Muslim world in general) I imagine it’s being discussed but it is highly unlikely that local SDF military units will agree to leave.
A Muslim country(Malaysia) 30 grand per person GDP, growth of 6% a year. Now tell me how the $h!thole you live in is doing? And US humanitarian effort, is an oxymoron.
Still plying your anti-Assad, anti-Iranian, anti-Russia, anti-Shia, anti-Yemeni pro-SauidiZionist BS you scumbag.
What US humanitarian efforts ? The US Marine Corp artillery units literally flattened Raqqa – they used more howitzer shells than any US battalion in action since Vietnam. Pancaked the city, its infrastructure and residential districts, and then the SDF militia blocked large numbers of the Arab residents from re-entering the city, forcing them into holding camps. ‘Humanitarian efforts’ – what crap.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/02/06/these-marines-in-syria-fired-more-artillery-than-any-battalion-since-vietnam/
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/flashpoints/2017/11/02/marine-artillery-barrage-of-raqqa-was-so-intense-two-howitzers-burned-out/
ABORTION RIGHTS IN RAQQA!
That sounds GOOD
The armies of falsehood must understand that they can never deface the reality to the valiant sons of Islam with such drivel. Both Truth and Falsehood are as bright as the sun. Everyone can differentiate between the armies of the Merciful and the armies of Satan. Everyone realizes who the knights enforcing the Quran.
Why are you on the internet on a kafir website instead of fighting? Your brothers on the battlefield are quickly going extinct. Go replenish their ranks.
Maybe because im wounded in the leg?
So you are a confirmed coward instead of a martyr? Allah will not be pleased.
One day inshaallah its not the time yet Allah knows best.
Allah will definitely not be pleased.
You cannot know that. https://i.imgur.com/x7HlSXV.jpg
Neither can you, and hence the conundrum. You should’ve fought to the death instead of being a coward. I imagine Allah doesn’t take kindly to cowards. A little flesh wound in the leg and suddenly you’re out. Doesn’t look like Allah is looking out for you.
And no my brothers are not going extinct most of the higher ranked filed commanders are waiting until the situation settles down little bit. Let lets wait for our enemies to kill each other and weaken themselves.
Doesn’t sound like a good strategy. Allah doesn’t approve.
It’s all good news if it happens.
An old saying attributed to PT Barnum, “There’s a sucker born every minute” must be true. How many times has the US promised the Kurds the world, only to stab them in the back at a later date. But the Kurds keep going back for more.
This is why Israel wants a Trump Putin summit ASAP so they can pretend to give Russia and Assad the YPG and eastern Syria (and in return demand concessions), which Russia and Assad will get any way, maybe even before the summit from the looks of it. Russia should do to Israel and the USSA what they did to Gorbachev and the Soviet Union.
It wouldn’t surprise me, not that the SDF really want to do this, but rather their control of Raqqa is completely dependent on the support of the US, and both sides are vastly outnumbered by Arabs who hate them, so any revolt by the citizens would leave the SDF with 2 options; slaughter civilians & be reviled across all of SDF-held Syria or withdraw in humiliation, losing any respect across all of SDF-held Syria. The only way out is secret option number 3; get rid of Raqqa as quick as they can.
Remember Afrin and all the talk of handing it over to SAA. All the supposed sticking points culminating in Erdogon’s expulsion of Kurdish Forces from their so-called Capital. Maybe the SDF have learned something, Zion-O’Yanki cabal do not give a fuck about the Kurds. Unfortunately, if those higher up Kurds keep grabbing Yanki dollars nothing will change. This is of course a Syrian Arab City, so more pressure for Kurds to knuckle-under to Damascus or be blown-asunder by Damascus inspired uprising.