Prigozhin is in the news again…bigly.
Written by Julian Macfarlane, Tokyo-based military and geopolitical analyst.
ALL of the mainstream media in the West are running this story.
It is very Prigozhin—in line with what I have previously written in my previous article on him—and you can be sure that he was aware these comments would be ignite a little fire in that trash dump we call the “media” in the West.
Diving the Western Media Dumpster
a.) Russia faces a “revolution”; the people against the “elites” as in 1917.
“The children of elites… allow themselves to lead a public, fat, carefree life,” Prigozhin fumed, “while the children of others arrive back shredded to pieces in zinc coffins.”
Now, keep in mind that Prigozhin is a very rich man and his family very well off indeed. His origins may be proletarian— like Putin— but he is now a card-carrying member of the elite.
Putin’s success, including that 80% support he gets, has been largely to do with his success in reining in the oligarchs and controlling corporatism — aka “business elites – -although bureaucracy — aka “governmental elites” — has been a harder nut to crack. In any case, the Russian government has never been more stable. Putin is seen as responsive, if not a reformer.
b.) According to CBS— and the other outlets concur—most apparently stenographing a common script— Prigozhin says that the Russian operation has been “one retreat after another. “
“We stormed in an aggressive manner and stomped our boots all over Ukraine while looking for Nazis, We approached Kyiv, s**t our pants, and retreated. Next onto Kherson, where we also s**t our pants and retreated, and nothing seems to be working out for us.”
Of course, Prigozhin knows, as most Russians do, that the Russians did not “retreat” from Kiev. They initially put the city under what you might call a loose siege to tie up Ukrainian forces in the north while they made gains in the south. Then they withdrew nominally as a gesture of good faith but really because there was no point in keeping troops in the area when they were too few to do anything but tie up Ukrainian forces, which was no longer necessary.
As for Kherson (City), they did not “retreat” there either — they carried out a strategic withdrawal to more defensible positions from which they could attrit Ukrainian forces with fewer casualties and without jeopardizing civilian lives. Kherson City, after all, was a Russian city.
The “retreat” from Kharkiv was a similarly strategic maneuver — and very successful— insofar that it, like every other similar action, resulted in thousands of Ukrainian casualties.
Prigozhin obviously understands all this. He reads Telegram too. He has his own channel. This is also a media war. Google versus Telegram. Facebook vs VK.
War with Reality
Google, as often as not is at war with reality.
c.) So the next media point is that key Putin goals — “denazification” and “demilitarization” are unachievable. Big failures! Like everything Russian.
He said the vague goals stated by his long-time associate President Vladimir Putin and other Russian officials at the beginning of the war, as aiming to “denazify” and “demilitarize” Ukraine, had failed.
“Demilitarization” is an ongoing success. Only NATO support keeps the UAF alive and to date, the Russians have destroyed not one—but three NATO/ UAF armies— the biggest and best equipped that Europe can organize.
Prigozhin throws a lot of junk in the bin. He says the Ukrainians began the war with 20,000 men and 500 tanks and now have 200,000 and 5000 tanks. “Demilitarization”?
But the Ukrainians have suffered at least 200,000 casualties and lost now over 5000 tanks, even by their own estimates. They have been reduced to conscripting everyone from teenagers to seniors and begging for armor from NATO.
As for “denazification”, the four oblasts in Ukraine that voted to join Russia indicate what Russian Ukrainians think of the Nazis and Western Ukraine’s odious ideology.
With their excesses and constant lies, the Nazis are gradually denazifying even Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians. Propaganda always leaks. Word comes back from the front.
Millions have already spoken with their feet— with Ukrainians becoming Europe’s most unwelcome refugees and that trend creating pushback against pro-Nazi governments. The Ugly American once was. Now it is the Ugly Ukrainian.
Again, Prigozhin must be fully aware of this. He did not get to where he is now by being a moron.
A moron he is not
d.) Prigozhin warns that Ukraine will mount a counteroffensive which could be successful. Of course, he was saying that about Artymovsk, formerly Bakhmut, too.
“They will try to restore their 2014 borders, and this could easily happen; they will attack Crimea, they will try to blow up the Crimean bridge, cut off the supply lines, and for us, this scenario won’t be good, so we need to prepare for a hard war,”
“We are in such a condition that we could f***ing lose Russia, which is the main problem… We need to impose martial law,”
Now, there is no way that Ukraine could restore its 2014 borders. They don’t have the means to besiege Crimea or cut off supply lines. They have already tried attacking the Crimean bridge— unsuccessfully. It is already a hard, hard war — for Ukraine.
Russia is not under real threat— except for UkroNazi terrorism on its borders – much less of a problem than previous Chechen terrorism 20 years ago.
So far, the UAF has not been able to mount a single successful offensive that the Russians did not allow for their own purposes, Kharkov being an example.
“Martial law”? LOL. Now that is straight from Western scripts. The media has been repeating the theme that insurrection is brewing in Russia. They like to hype “insurrection” in general, I guess. Viz: January 6th.
So, what is Prigozhin really doing?
Very clearly, these pronouncements are for the Western Media rather than Russians who are mostly entertained by his outbursts and vulgarities. In Russia, Yev’ is a character. The Bad Boy Who Made Good.
In the West, they say he “makes sense” when he massages their delusions, playing fast and loose with facts, as Simplicius has noted. For example, he quotes Wagner losses at 20,000 compared to Ukrainian losses of 50,000 when talking of Bakhmut.
In fact, those 20,000 were in all theaters since the war started. The 50,000 UAF losses are more recent and for Bakhmut only—and limited to those that Ukrainian sources acknowledge and which Western sources therefore take as fact.
The actual number of Ukrainian losses is likely much higher, perhaps 100,000— but conservatively 70,000 for two reasons.
a.) Ukrainians don’t count wounded who die outside of combat, perhaps 1 out of 3 compared to 1 out of 10 for the Russians.
b.) The Ukrainians often withdraw under heavy fire, leaving their dead on the battlefield. They may refuse to accept the corpses the Russians collect, since then they would have to pay families of the dead. These KIA become MIA.
Confirmation of this trick lies in UkroNazi attempts to accuse Russians of doing this, when there is no evidence that they do—and if they did it would be almost impossible for them hide.
When the Ukrainians accuse the Russians of doing something wrong, that tells you it is the Nazis who are up to this. Need I say, “Bucha”? Or Izyum.
Prigozhin is not stupid. So why would he say such things, that any Russian could pick apart. He certainly wouldn’t do that if he was angling for political office, which is a common assumption in the West, “telling truth to power”. Ummm…like Joe Biden.
Looking at Prigozhin’s history he has worked too hard and too long to jeopardize his future in this way by saying dumb stuff contrary to the popular wisdom in Russia. Wagner has just been legitimized as a company—something Putin has reportedly long been in favor of — and the organization of emerging from legal limbo.
Going into politics to attack the System from which he benefits? Unlikely. Rather, Prigozhin is just selling style. It’s the kind of stuff you hear in bars.
Russians drink a lot and they understand.
Supporting Putin
There is no doubt in my mind that Prigozhin’s outbursts strengthen Putin rather than undermine him in his twenty-year struggle with the entrenched remnants of the 20th Century oligarchy, the bureaucracy, and the Westernized Moscow elites — all of whom prospered on the backs of chaos in the 1990s.
Prigozhin’s position in the Russian media as a Mad Max maverick will be rewarded not by political power, I think—but in some other way. He is already a billionaire.
Prigozhin’s strategy in Bakhmut served two purposes.
a.) To sucker the West and keep the Ukrainians fighting — the better to “demilitarize” them— so they are less and less capable of waging war. That applies to NATO. Can it fight a war without ammo and tanks?
b.) To shake up the Moscow and military bureaucracies which – if you read Putin’s speeches — is also one of his main goals. Gerasimov and Shogiu are easy targets. But you will notice that Prigozhin never criticizes Putin; never Surovikin, who really runs the operation in Ukraine and has masterminded at least some of those “retreats”. In the case of Gerasimov and Shogiu, Prigozhin’s attacks force them to be progressive, Gerasimov in further modernization and adaptation of the Russian military, Shogiu in further efficiencies in the Russian military-industrial system, with greater and greater state control, more like China’s and less like the Western model.
Looking at reader response to Western Media articles and videos about Prigozhin’s rant, he has been successful once again. It is a masterful example of how to manipulate confirmation bias. The greater the bias, the harder the fall when the truth becomes apparent. So many people in the West point to Putin as proving that, yes, Russia is losing, the government is tottering, and there is no democracy from Moscow to Vladivostok.
Russian censorship? Or Matryoshka?
And what of Konstantin Dolgov fired after this interview?
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macfarlane, appears to be somemone who needs attention and achieves this by being provocative … prigozhin appears somewhat megalomaniac and not completely lucid both characters completely unneccesary in the current situation .. serious people in russia should put a stop to such characters … especioally southfront
this man is either an actor for the state or he has a death wish.
probably an actor, the ‘appear weak when you are strong’ trick
to e.prigogin: save your soldiers and build strollers!
no revolution was ever from the people. allways just from one group of rich and powerfull against the others and often using the people promissing to make things better and then making them worse.
this guy might not be a moron, but a buffoon, now i understand why shoigu doesn’t want this buffoon in the dod. one day someone in the dod or putin should tell him to shut up and stick to the plan. i understand why ranzam kadirov doesn’t like this buffoon and told him he’s not alone fighting in this war.
the problem here is definition a lot of people (myself included) have been trained in the manner warfare as defined by us /nato and many (myself included) have called on russia to carpet bomb areas of ukraine. while negating that those areas are where majority russian speaking people who have relatives in the donbas live
keywords: маскировка, maskirovka, reflexive control, game theory…
ha, ha, ha … presne tak, ako je to tu napísané. je to hra. a tá má slúžiť iba k jednému, aby vylákala banderovských fašistov na frontovú líniu a na druhej strane, aby odhalila domácich kolaborantov. tí posmelení takýmito rečami sa môžu sami odhaliť. nie nadarmo je prigozhin prezývaný putinov kuchár. upiekli to s putinom veľmi dobre, priam do chrumkava.
the only revolution i see happening is a one in russia! russians are sick of poo-tin and his incompetence not only has russia not defeated ukraine yet, but now the ukrainians are even striking russia on their own homeland! first it was the kremlin now even the city of moscow itself is not safe! i swear if poo-tin and shoigu was asian their countrymen would have demanded that they kill themselves by now, i mean putin has brought total shame and disgrace upon his country;
did you wipe your mouth after all that shit came out of it?
ass clown 🤡 articel on same insane level as jued zuess ones.
bravo southfront, u made a business model giving ass clowns their ownly home/ asylum and getting donations for it.
this maniac is here every day 8am-3am
sick freak
i said it for a while but i didn’t want to undermine what (imo) prigozhin was doing. he is putting the thought into ukrainian and western minds… “why are we following orders from these dickheads?”
the next time russia puts a 40mile long convoy close to kyiv, they will be entering kyiv into there is a surrender flag flying.
i think a lot of commentary on the upcoming counter-offensive overlooks the vast improvements russia has made in satellite and drone intel. it is literally impossible for ukraine to swarm russian positions in the way it did last year. russia sees it coming and has greater numbers on the ground, greater air strike reach. warfare has moved on.
this is a well thought out article now the way i deal with this is to not participate in mainstream fairy tales. the so called establishment of the west has never understood russia or anything russian. (they could never figure out why russia sent their navy to the us when the british threatened to get militarily involved in the very civil war they started.) so it’s best to deal with nato in terms that they don’t understand and don’t want to happen and that’s peace through development.
putin should resign or be forced to do that.he is total failure and anglo bootlicker.
putin’s treachery against donbass slavs i remember that the donbas militia was close to taking mariupol and apparently putin stopped them. i guess to get the minsk agreement.
thru all this years of watching wars, upon wars, i have almost never encountered a russians talking the truth, and what happened, moa and simply the stinker went bannanas, and forgets one crusial point, i if i can call it trust, its sky high when it comes from the front, not from some f…. in a chair somewhere and the chilish bitching makes me wanna puke. its sipmly the difference between having balls or not, and ignore the quire of castrats yapping
boring shithead you don’t have balls, nor brain…
ukraine had one major successful operation, and that was in november ’22, when they significantly moved the front line to the east in the north.
i attribute that to the change in equipment and tactics, compared to how the uaf conducted their operations prior to that. that same was tried in the south about a month later, and was blunted by the russian forces once they adapted to the change in tactics by the uaf.
the reason for their success was simple: russian positions were criminally unmanned. russians always lacked troops for such a large scale operation, and putin’s stubborn refusal to enact mobilization for 7 months eventually made russian hq trying to balance a few reserve units all over the frontline. when all available reserves were engaged in kherson afu struck in the north as well. and russians simply didn’t have reinforcements.