Trump’s “Smart” Missiles In Syria: Summing Up Evidence And Numbers Provided By Russia

From your replies I take, that the level of your related knowledge in this matter does not make you a person, communication need to be established. Read some books and study first. After that I would advice to work in that area to gain more knowledge. When done, and you master your stuff, feel free to return with your valuable input. Until then, please spare us with your “wisdom”. Have a good life!

I take that as “i cant counter your arguments so im running away like a bitch”

“..the kremlin showed pictures of circuit boards…” that’s the point, if the 500Kg warhead had exploded there would not be any circuit board left. But then again you believe passports can withstand high temperature explosions, right? Stupid americans.

Looks like we have a conspiratard

You are not familiar with facts.

Resorting to ad hominems shows how weak your argument is. Perhaps you should check your CIA cheatsheet to muster another argument.

Just to be the exception. Everyone is lying to some extent.. by comparing some facts and statements from both sides you can notice that there is some obvious untruths.. (Just discussing the airstrike.. showing video game footage as intelligence is ridiculous) 105 missiles were lauched -per pentagon- and none were intercepted (there is footage online of some missiles geting intercepted) and 76 missiles hitted a three-building facility (either some serious overkill or to cover-up intercepted missiles) The Russian claim this time doesn’t have phoney footage but numbers and stats (that are exaggerated maybe) that add up better than the pentagon claim. (No bad wording, just giving my sincere opinion)

Ok fair enough. “Just to be the exception. Everyone is lying to some extent..” >>>True, I dont belive what my government says ever, I look at the facts and analyze things. “by comparing some facts and statements from both sides you can notice that there is some obvious untruths..” >>>There are several points of contention, allow me to explain: 1. It took the kremlin 2 weeks to collect all those scraps, from where though? The target sites or the desert as they claim, if they had the radar data, they know where exactly the interception happened. But despite this they never took pictures of the crash sites? They provided no context, which is suspicious. Obviously the kremlin wants to make the US and allies look bad and showing wreckage at the crash sites is irrefutable proof, but they did not do this? Suspicious as fuck. 2. The scraps they showed are small, the missiles used by syria are blast-fragmentation with a priximity fuse. The warhead explodes when it is near the targer in a 360° r^2 in a conical pattern, the goal is to hit a vital component like hydralics with shrapnel to bring it down. If this was the case, the missiles should have been mostly intact or large pieces visible just like we saw in Belgrade Serbia when a number of tomahawks were shot down. I can show you if you want. “(Just discussing the airstrike.. showing video game footage as intelligence is ridiculous) 105 missiles were lauched -per pentagon- and none were intercepted (there is footage online of some missiles geting intercepted) and 76 missiles hitted a three-building facility (either some serious overkill or to cover-up intercepted missiles)” >>>Yes it is riddiculous 2.The footage of “interception” is less than clear, we only have footage of about 15 missiles, and they are all going in a ballistic trajectory, they dont manouer to hit anything. But the most telling fact is that only FLIR or Foward Looking Infared can see a clear interception since it can clearly see both missiles, just like the houthis did in Yemen. 3. The 3 targets were located in heavily defended A2/AD zone, plus you had the russians threatning to shoot them down. So either it was a saturation attack to make sure the target was destroyed in the event of successful interceptions of some missiles. Or to make sure all chemical weapons were aniahlated to prevent their spread. Wether there were any is up to debate, but the pentagon thought there were which is the important part. “The Russian claim this time doesn’t have phoney footage but numbers and stats (that are exaggerated maybe) that add up better than the pentagon claim. (No bad wording, just giving my sincere opinion)” >>>The stats and numbers the russians put out, came literally hours after the attack, they can collect data that fast but it took them two weeks to find all these missile scraps and did not show where they supposedly found them? Remember russia also claimed to have shot down 23 out of 59 Tomahawks last time, and they have yet provide any evidence of this, they just claim their electronic warfaren made them fall into the sea, thats an ad hoc copout. Thanks for being rational and not raging like the other people here. Please give your opinion on my points.

Don’t know – didn’t see it. Perhaps you like to provide the link and the time point? (Then I’ll have a look – but I”m not sitting thru’ hours of a language I don’t understand to MAYBE see what you’re talking about.)

And I don’t “just believe” anyone – just like I don’t believe 76 tomahawk missiles striking such a small area would do such limited damage. Sheesh man – didn’t even blow out the foundations.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/230b88f47a407c32f5e3595168d3a0213578e6bbad12ad793c43b7ffd53f7b1b.png

Fair enough, here you go, https://youtu.be/gsB_gOegWL8 Let me know what you think.

2. If you dont belive 71 missiles were fired, then why would you belive 71 were intercepted? In your “expert” opinion, how many missiles should you launch against targets protected by a significant A2/AD zone and threats from russia saying they would shoot down any missile? Also, would you not need massive fire power to assure that all chemicals and precursers are destroyed before they can spread to surrounding areas? Wether you belive there were chemical weapons there or not, the US thought there was.

Bullshit. If the U.S. military thought there really were such chemicals in those buildings they would not have fired anything close to them as the escaping gas would have killed hundreds, maybe thousands of innocent people. Of course, if you answered that they really wouldn’t care about that, you may have a point. How much are you paid to be here ?

How much are you paid? How’s the weather in Moscow? See how easy it is to do that? You are assuming that the chemical weapons were gaseous and in easily destroyed containers. And then you put words into his mouth as a straw argument. Profanity is just a sign of a weak argument, or no argument.

The video was apparently about the Hajj. I guess you didn’t look at it either.

Meanwhile, no one is arguing about the number of missiles shot at Syrian targets. We’re talking about how many of them hit their targets.

Can’t wait to see how they do against the best Russian anti-missile systems.

Also, remember when we invaded Afghanistan to catch bin Laden? Do you ever ask yourself why the US is still there? Do you ever wonder if the worldwide explosion of heroin has anything to do with the US control of the opium fields there?

US controlling the opium fields there? That’s what the Left would have you believe, but its the Taliban.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/world/asia/taliban-afghan-poppy-harvest-opium.html

And guess who are the major users of heroin and other dope in America? Certainly not the Conservatives. Pop, crack and Heroin would have no market here if it were not for the tendency of SJW to seek “highs”. Blame them for the deaths in Mexico by the drug lords, and the continued oppression of Blacks in Democrat controlled ghettos in the major metropolitan areas.

From your video above…..

1. The pictures were taken from a video game. 2. In addition to the images from the game AC-130 Gunship Simulator 3. Russia actually tried to use 2016 Iraq footage 4. The ministry quickly deleted the post.” ======== 1+2. “In addition to” ….. so …. what video game are they referring to – and why didn’t they tell us?

3. Really? Where, when what? And why don’t they say?. What’s that blurry little still all about? The Russians were reporting (and bombing) ISIL oil convoys as early as Dec 2015 – – – and images + videos are still on the internet reported by western media (incl. Telegraph/Express.)

4. Can’t comment – I have no idea if this is true. All they have is a still. Could be real – could be manufactured. (Whether or not I’ll buy it therefore depends on how everything else they have holds up.)

—————- Now. I found that video on Youtube and watched it in HiDef. At 0:38 is the frame for point 4. (Deleted the Post.) But I also see this: “via @ EliotHiggins” and what I can tell you is – that is Bellingcat and he has zero creds. (Known for inaccuracy and well… just making stuff up. Probably why “Bellingcat” is never heard from anymore.)

Also: a search on YT brings up this info three times. Same subject by 3 different channels (2 say Russian MOD and I says Russian media.) So …… if this is true why wasn’t it all over CNN and the BBC? Why are there no YT clips from CNN and BBC about Russia faking airstrikes on fale ISIL oil convoys?

So… (1) video game not named, (2) Bellingcat Say-no-more and (3) not a peep on the western MSM big cats has me calling this …. ‘manure of the male cow.’ Sorry – you gotta do netter than Vocativ, NewsfromUkraine and HeadlineNews: simply I know of no reason to trust those sources especially when not even CNN and BBC back it up. (Jeece man – those 2 would jump on something like this with 10 tons of bricks in tow. We’da heard nothing else for at least a week – and they’d still be bringing it up everytime they wanted to remind us how untrustworthy Russia is – like every 2nd day.)

Verdict: Sorry – it’s BS.

You have to be joking, the menatal gymnastics you are putting yourself thru is just astonishig. The russian MoD posted it on their twitter, come on man cut the bullshit.

Healthy skepticism is … “mental gymnastics” to you? ….. I guess it is.

If they posted a (name unknown) video game as a Russian airstrike on twitter why didn’t CNN and the BBC report it? Like me, they didn’t see it either? Did you? Or are you taking the word of Bellingcat as gospel because you like what he says?

Let me spell it out in a way that you wont be able to weasle your way out of the question. Russian MoD posted a video on twitter. Ok understand that? 3. The kremlin claimed it showed the US air force helping isis. You understand this? 4. We looked at this video and noticed that the clip in the video was not real footage, but was a video game clip. 5. The kremlin deleted the video as soon as they were exposed by watchful eyes. 6.So we know that the kremlin delibretly put together a false video to try and push the narritive that the US is helping isis rats. This glaring example of propagands shows that russia is not interested in truth. Comprede?

You didn’t DO any of that – you CLAIMED it. If you can’t understand the difference between “DO” and “CLAIM” go back to school.

You provide no backup whatsoever for what you CLAIM other than a half-baked video put out ONLY by some unknown, unverified and “why-would-i-trust-them” sources. Your backup within the video itself includes one infamous Bellingcat best known for his … inveracity.

You then refuse to answer my question – “If what you claim is true then WHY wasn’t this broadcast/published by the MSM big names???”

They woulda been all over this like flies on shìt – an MSM wet-dream. YOUR VIDEO IS HOGWASH – LIVE WITH IT.

LoL its funny reading the ramblings of kremlin paid trolls XD you delusional cunts, fuck you and russia

“Wether you belive there were chemical weapons there or not, the US thought there was.” ————— Do not confuse what they say with what they know. They, the US, UK + France, were all absolutely certain there were NO chemical weapons stored at (or in the process of being manufactured at) any of the places they struck.

Here’s how I know – consider Barzeh: Had they even for moment suspected there were chemical weapons stored there they would NOT have bombed it. Unless you think they would have deliberately doused half of Damascus in fumes of Sarin and whatever other nasties were being stored there?

…. My opinion? This strike had nothing to do with chemical weapons – real or imaginary. “Chemical Weapons Horrors!” is just the blurb they use to reassure the masses. “We’re being righteous!”

—————- PS. I didn’t say I thought the US didn’t fire 71 missiles. I said: “76 half-ton missiles didn’t strike Barzeh.”

Because:

If 76 Tomahawks each with a 495kg high explosive warhead had struck that, rather small – less than a block, area there’d be a great big bloody hole in the ground there!

What do we have instead —– some of the walls fell down! Maybe they rattled the foundations? Wow hey – $140 million well spent what?

I’m an American. If you think the Russians are lying and the Americans, Israelies, UK, French, etc. are telling the truth you are beyond delusional. Please explain to me what the hell the U.S. military is doing in Syria or anywhere else outside the U.S. Without dumping that stale bullshit about saving the world from terrorism. While you’re at it, check into the power of Rothschild prostitutes at power levels in every one of the mentioned “western” governments.

Ok, I’ll explain it. It began in earnest on September 11, 2001. It won’t end until Muslims overrun Russia and America. The EU is already lost, but those socialists think they are smart enough to “convert” Muslims to Socialism. Our socialists, a.k.a. Democrats, have the same delusions.

You may not realize it, but this is a fight to the death. If Muslims win, and you are still alive, you’ll have to convert or die. No other choice. Islam means “submission”, didn’t you know?

You are not American you kremlin paid stooge. Syria intercepted 71 missiles (Debunked) 1. The scraps that he kremlin has shown is less than conclusive evidence. It took the kremlin two weeks to finally show us “shot down missiles” wait not missiles but a bunch of scraps they pulled from the target sites. Simple logic and understandin of the SAMs used by Syria is enough to debunk this assertion. The Kremlin could have conclusively proved they shot down missiles by simply taking video or photos of the “missile crash sites” this provides context and proves their claim. But they did not do this, why? Because they pulled out the missile scraps from the target sites. To sink this in further, the videos being circled of supposed interceptions show an “interception” over the city, if indeed an interception happed, why in a day and age where everyone has a camera, no one on the ground took a photo of the wreckage? 2. The interceptors used by Syria could not have tured the missiles into scraps. SAMs on the BUK, Pantsir, and S-125 use a blast-fragmenation warhead, it uses a proximity fuse and when its near its target it explodes. The warheads are in a conical shape with pre-shaped shrapnel pieces, when the warhead explodes, the shrapnel radiates outward in a 360-degree r^2 in a conical shape. It does this this to try and hit vital compnents on the missles like guidance packages or hydralics. A warhead like this would not turn a Tomahawk missile into tiny scraps of metal. To sink his point in further, the kremlin showed us an image of what they say is a warhead, but notice that its missing the outer body of the missile, sorry russia and syria but blast fragmentation warhead do not do this. 3. To reienforce my last point, we already have examples of Tomahawk missiles that have been shot down, several early block Tomahawks were brought down over Belgrae Serbia and Iraq during the Gulf war. Below will be links to some of the Tomahawks that were shot down over Serbia. Notice how large cylindrical pieces remain. 4. Now lets debunk the videos that purportedly show syrian missiles intercepting cruise missiles. For starters, the videos are less than clear, it does not show an interception. What it does show is missies flying over the city in a ballisic trajectory, they are not manouvering to get into possiton to intercept, watch videos of the Israeli Iron Dome, notice how they manouver to get into possiton for intercept. To sink this point in further, only FLIR or Forward looking Infared can can visually identify a sucessful interception. The houthis in Yemen filmed a video with FLIR and it shows a modified russian air to air missile intercepting an Saudi F-15, both the interceptor and target can clearly be seen at the time of interception. So the videos being circled are not evidence. 5. To further cement my last point, lets examine how many missiles Syria would have needed to fire in order to intercept 71 missiles. Its common knowledge among military buffs that missile defense doctrine insists that no less than 2 or 3 interceptors shall be launced at each incoming missile. Let’s go with the latter number of 2x interceptors for each incoming cruise missile. That’s as 142 interceptors needed, BUT only less than 15 missies can be seen in the videos that were taken, even in the hour long live steam, we only see less than 10 interceptors fired. In a day and age where cameras are everywhere—including CCTV—no video has surfaced of all these interceptors being fired? Yeah nonsense. 6. Many trolls online are asserting that because 50+ missiles were used to strike one target, it is inplausable. But wait, this claim is contradictiong their original calim of 71 being intercepted, so if they don’t belive that that many missiles were needed then does that mean 105 missiles were not fired? And so 71 would be a fantasy. Anyways lets think about this logically, the attack was taking place in an area known to be heavily defended with A2/AD assets, on top of that your had russia threating to shoot them down with the S-400, so what would be the best way to make sure the target is destroyed if some of the crusie missiles were shot down? You launch a saturation attack to make sure some get through. Another possible explanation is that the allies belived that chemical weapons were stored at the sites, so massive firepower was needed to make sure all the chemicals/pre-cursers were neautralized. Its more plausable than the hypotesis being put forth by people with a clear pro-russian/assad agenda. 7. Who are the outlets reporting on this? Lets take RT, Sputnik, Vesti, Russia Insight for example, Russian outlests that are pro-russian, kremlin funded which are ran by pro-russian staff which approve numerous anti-west hit pieces on a weekly basis, they are parroting the russian MoD which was caught using video game footage as “evidece” that the US was helpin isis rats. Yeah wrap your head around that. Lets not forget that they claimed that russia shot down 29 out of 59 Tomahawk missiles druing the strike last year. They have made the claim that russian electronic warfare weaons drove them all into the sea, they claim this is the reason no images of the missiles exist. Pulling your hair out yet? 8. More analysis will come as I gather more information, bleow are links.

Image of Tomahawk shot down over Serbia https://goo.gl/images/XhKCx1 Information on blast-fragmentation warheads and their effects https://fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/fun/part13.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system video of supposed interceptons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvDEV-4z01I Images of missle scraps and supposed warhead https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-25/russian-military-shows-wreckage-us-missiles-intercepted-syria Other useful resouces that further debunk russias claims https://www.polygraph.info/a/syria-russia-71-missiles-claim-fact-cheched/29169608.html https://medium.com/dfrlab/syriastrikes-conflicting-claims-c9623a7cbdc9

“Its foolish of me to belive my government “ —————- Well now – not really…. I mean – beyond the fact that ALL politicians lie (and wouldn’t bother to talk to us if they didn’t have some lie to sell us.)

It’s just that – well – your government no longer bothers to make their lies believable or even plausible any more. And what’s their evidence for their great big whoppers?

“It’s a secret – we can’t tell you.” I mean – ferfookssake! ROFLMAO – YOU BUY IT!

“Asaad used Chemical Weapons On His Own People – so we must go bomb some more of his own people to punish him!” … Erhum – really? That makes sense to you? HOW?

How about this one? Asaad takes 6 years, tons of munitions and hundreds of soldiers lives to take 90% of east Ghouta and then – goes an’ tosses chemical weapons on CIVILIANS (civvies – not terries) juuust before he waltzes in to take the last 10%. (Phükut – but that man is STEWPID what?)

Seriously – sometimes I wonder what you folks use for brains…..

Please, stop going off on random tangents and stick to the central point, stop avoiding my points

“Ah I guess the russian MoD showing video game footage as “evidence” does not count as a “lie” in you idiot brain. Its foolish of me to belive my government just as it is moronic for you to just blindly believe russian kremlin. I brought forth credible arguments and so far every single person here has avoided me. They just talk shit and leave. So I guess only Americans can compose a rebuttal.” —————– That’s you comment. So …. WHAT “central point” have I avoided?

If i post them you will just go off on random tangents without addessing my arguments, you want me to post them?

Phrase your “central point” clearly (and in 1 or 2 sentences) and I will try to answer it.

XD you just dance around the questions, so shove your keyboard up your ass kremlin paid faggot

You know Im just baiting you right? Im already took a screenshot of all your comments and will compose a video showing everyone your delusions.

You should seek medical help.

If I paid you more money than what you are paid for trolling, would you work for me?

Get me video recordings of your troll factory, well pay you handomly :)

What do may balls have to do with all this??? ahahahahhahaha

I have brought up valid points and you cant refute any of them. Showing that you are lying to yourself.

Really? hahahahahaha

Yes, you refuse to answwr

OMG hahahaha!!!

I did not read one point that either makes sense or has any evidence to support it. Sorry but you have not carried the burden of proof of your government supporting claims. Russia has a far far better track record of telling the unvarnished facts in this and every position over the last 20 years. I am an American who now lives in Russia and find the official statements to be rational anD consistent with my direct daily observations. I have yet to read or hear of a politician, msm outlet or official statement that was not based on false assumptions that counter the direct observable evidenvelope. I have been in 90 countries and none are as believed by US media customers like you. The track record of the US for truth is very poor but many such as yourself are sure they know the truth because the most dishonest media on earth tells you a fairate. Tell us about any international event you only know by MSM and government spokesliars dating back to the 50s and we can refute your programming. Get out in the world aND you will find everything you believed is wrong.

Hahahahahhahahahah yes and the kremlin prrsenting video game evidence as “proof” of US helping isis rats is very truthful XD

How is work at Langley these days?

Yes. EVERY Russian building has a shelter of some sort. This is why the civilian deaths from US inspired shelling by their Ukranian puppets has not murdered more civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk.

Russia had a massive national training week last year as well for civilians and civil defence workers.

The US civilians went to McDonalds instead:)

Even better, Russia has shown how good its defenses are. Most American nukes are attached to Tomahawks, and if Syria can achieve a 70% kill rate on American missiles, imagine what Russia can do within Russia.

If the US keeps threatening Russia, they might get tempted to knock out the FUKUS countries once and for all, whilst they hold such a commanding advantage.

You are one stupid fucker, thanks for the screenshot :)

Terry, looks like your brain was washed and rejects thinking now. What did they do to you?

That makes sense , even though I live in one of those countries :)

The West won’t attack Russia directly and all at once , that would be suicidal , a MAD scenario. They’ll chomp away at it along the edges , using their lunatic mercenaries for the physical disruption while they employ all the other hybrid warfare weapons they’ve become so adept with in recent decades : sanctions , exchange rate manipulation , cyber warfare , Soros-type mob deployments , false-flag attacks on civilians – the whole , updated and improved Gladio-style bag of tricks.

The only way you can withstand those type of attacks is by having a bloc of allies that’s big enough and strong enough economically to function more-or-less independently from the West , as well as to return the favor using similar tactics against the West. Russia , China , Iran , Syria , Iraq , Lebanon , maybe even India and Turkey , and potentially dozens of other non-aligned countries , could form such a bloc , but it’s unlikely to occur if there’s a recent history of them throwing each other under the bus when things get a little uncomfortable.

Let’s say the U.S. bombs a bunch of Iranian military and nuclear sites , and Iran responds by hurling volleys of missiles at Israel. What happens then ? Iran gets nuked back to the Stone Age in the blink of an eye , that’s what. And Russia sits on its thumb and rotates , waiting in line for its own eventual destruction.

The alternative scenario is that Russia steps forward right now and says that Russia and Iran are allies , and an attack on one is an attack on both , just as in NATO. With the certain knowledge that Russia would launch a proportionate counterattack if Iran was attacked by the West , what would the West do ? They’d think about it a lot harder and for a whole lot longer , at the very least.

NO, it hasn’t sunk in has it?

Russia can shoot down all of Americas nukes, but America can’t shoot down Russian nukes. Lets say the US bombs some Russian troops in Russia/Ukraine, and Russia flattens the USA without taking a single hit.

“Russia can shoot down all of Americas nukes…”

You clearly don’t know WTF you’re talking about.

What’s the difference between the missiles the Syrians shot down and Americas nuclear arsenal? Only one thing Minutemen, and they are over 50 years old, even if the whole 450 still work, which is unlikely, they would be much easier to intercept than a new missile, which the Russians can intercept. Right now Russia is where the US was at the end of WWII, with the only nukes on the planet. If America was in Russia’s position, the US would already be invading Russia. Russia should think hard about this, it’s a golden opportunity to defeat the US, forever.

” What’s the difference between the missiles the Syrians shot down and Americas nuclear arsenal?”

Does “Trident” ring a bell ? Ten times faster , MIRVs , both physical and electronic countermeasures up the wazoo , etc. , etc.

Look , Russia’s missile defense is superior to that of the U.S. by most accounts , but neither side believes they can fully defend against a high-volume exchange of ICBMs. Not even close.

You see what kind of imbecils i have to deal with? Yeah 71 were shot down my ass

do you even realize what you write? How does a strike of 40 cruise missiles look like? Do they all arrive at the same time and explode at once? This is not the intention. as standard procedure these are fired in waves. Assuming 40 missiles hit the R&D site I suspect to have at least 4 waves. That would mean, that the second wave would hit an already destructed building or the crater. If wave 2, 3 and 4 hit rubble, they would deepen the crater or widen the crater, none can be seen on the provided aftermath pictures. So, where did the blast energy went? It’s your turn now to explain.

And you know that because in every American movie you have seen American tech is always the best?

You don’t think that maybe the Russian jamming would also work against Trident? Also the S400 is designed to intercept ballistic missiles, and the Soviets had an anti ballistic missile shield over Moscow years ago.

But why stop there, why not take out the subs before they launch. Most people have no idea how noisy an American nuclear submarine is, they aren’t stealthy like the subs of other countries.

These are the type of idiots that think 71 missiles were shot dowm You said it yourself you peasant, a fragmentation warhead would not disintergrate a missile into fragments None were intercepted you buffons, it took the idiots in the kremlin 2 weeks to collect scraps of missile from the target sites XD Here is an actual picture of a tomahawk that was intercepted over Belgrade, https://www.flickr.com/phot… notice the large cilindrical pieces? Yeah, no one is buying your propaganda.

wrong answers copied and pasted doe not make them right answers. Terry, stop your trolling. A fragmentation warhead will shatter a aerial vehicle (nothing different is a cruise missile) in peaces. The size of these peaces is depending of the distance to target the shrapnel warhead exploded. In good cases distance to target can be in the range of meters or even centimeters. It depends on the used elimination settings. If acquiring and elimination need to be done within a short time frame, a wider elimination radius is used. If acquiring and target illumination has more time to determine an effective elimination response a smaller radius is chosen, increasing the probability of a killing hit. It is like shooting from the hip or using a sniper gun with a scope.

They like their old tricks as we can clearly see. Gebbels stuff if you know what I’m talking about. Repetition of lies.

Finally someone with the balls to at least counter, bravo, now tell your pussy ass friends to stop dodging.

1. False, missiles like the buk, pantsir, and s-200 use priximity fuses and will explode at a predetermined point, they are not hit to kill. 3. They carry a blast fragmentation warhead that spreads out in a 360° r^2 conic patters, that shrapnel CANNOT disintegrate tomahawk cruise missiles like that? How do we know? Take a look, a tomahawk shot down in belgrade. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tomahawk_Serbia_01.jpg

As the Ukrainian fascists have proven, BUKs can take down airliners.

https://goo.gl/images/pnbpex Tomhawk in belgrade

Link is dead…404 error page. And can you also stop the ‘ad hominem’ attacks or the babyish name calling. If you really want to get your point across act like an adult but the silly name calling implies a low level of intelligence, lack of mature argumentative abilities and paints you as a troll or a child. Thank you.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tomahawk+missile+wreckage+belgrade&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&prmd=inmv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpp5Hh-9faAhWm5lQKHeusDkoQ_AUIEigB&biw=360&bih=560#imgdii=X5gJA9ZdDtaPEM:&imgrc=3ra19eRlopYssM: K

Its not me, i brimlng up valid points and all i get is non sequiter and ad hoc crap. You up to the challenge?

What makes you think they did not retrieve all that from the target sites? Two weeks to collect it? Yeah no.

None were intercepted you buffons, it took the idiots in the kremlin 2 weeks to collect scraps of missile from the target sites XD Here is an actual picture of a tomahawk that was intercepted over Belgrade, https://www.flickr.com/phot… notice the large cilindrical pieces? Yeah, no one is buying your propaganda.

Moron. why don’t you use your brain for thinking, as it was designed for?

Why dont you stop avoiding the question? Dont be a pussy pussy

You have trouble relating to women, Terry Pens? You sound like a kid who just learned a new hate word.

You have trouble reading lol

Lol nice link. Doest even work just like your missiles.

Listen, if you still beleive the pentagon after Iraq, well have I got a bridge to sell to you.

You do realise you are inderectly advocating for daesh right? You know how these people treat their women. You are working for them, how do you look your mother in the eye?? How do you sleep at night??

My expertise is plants, wether concrete asphalt or crushing plant, those parker hydraulic valve banks and attached systems dont belong in the middle of the desert, full of buk-m or pantsir shrapnel holes. Your buddy bellingcat was sure quick to say without a doubt it was a buk that took down that plane, and looky here same shrapnel sizes, damn!!!

Get a real job in the real world and you will see that your leaders are lying to you, using you and your family for their own benefits. I kinda wish a was a clueless fool like you, truth can be a burden sometimes.

Well enjoy living with your head in the sand, just remember your ass is sticking way out in the air.

Very well said.

Not going based on the pentagon, going based on logic, something you lack in your propaganda ridden world. 1. Took the kremlin 2 weeks to collect a bunch of scraps? Yeah no one but you idiots are buying that bullshit. http://www.jewishpress.com/news/us-news/u-s-fires-50-tomahawk-missiles-at-chemical-storage-sites-in-syrian-air-base/2017/04/07/ 2. How do you know the Kremlin did not recover all those scraps from the target site? Yeah exactly, be a monkey for the kremlin. 3. No videos of the supposed 142+ interceptors that should have been used, in a day and age where cameras are everywhere, not even CCTV footage? Yeah no fuck off kremlin monkeys. 4. So ummm… remind me again, since when do blast fragmentation warheads disintegrate missiles into tiny scraps? Shrapnel spreading in a 360° r^2 in a conic pattern would not make missiles disintergrate like that, take a look at this tomahawk shot down by a Serb missile. http://www.jewishpress.com/news/us-news/u-s-fires-50-tomahawk-missiles-at-chemical-storage-sites-in-syrian-air-base/2017/04/07/

1. What is wrong with taking time to investigate and analyze properly? Only the west punishes before judgment. What is it with you guys and this obsession with having everything right now. Looking at language from the west (propaganda also) they always add allegedly suspected bla bla bla. You are speculating.

2. Your syntaxe is bad on this point, I dont quite understand. Ask the Syrians , nobody ever seems to think to talk to them. I also called the zoo and asked the monkey about the kremlin, he screeched and hung up.

3. There are videos on this site, of interceptions and hits. I doubt Syria has a cctv infrastructure like we do, cant prove that but you use the same argument in your point 1.

4. This is not my area of expertise, nor is it yours, you spent last 45 minutes looking for that and copy paste. My area of expertise is construction materials and associated plants. I speak from experience…you speak like a kid that doesnt know the real world.

Man them butt cheeks must be getting cold up there? Want a tuque?

Get rekt

Good, I hope you have the balls to debate me on the central issue. Expect my rebuttal, dont run

LOL fire up google guys time to copy paste.

By the way, you completely ignored the link I provided.

“1. What is wrong with taking time to investigate and analyze properly? ” >>>Analyze properly? In an investigation the first thing you do is not touch anything and take photogrpahs, why is the kremlin showing all these scraps with no context? They failes to show images of the 71 crash sites and the surroundings. Surley the kremlin is not stupid but they left out this crucial piece of evidence that would have 100% proved their claim, that would have convinced me. Why dont they exist? Because they pulled out all those scraps from the target sites.

“”Only the west punishes before judgment. What is it with you guys and this obsession with having everything right now. Looking at language from the west (propaganda also) they always add allegedly suspected bla bla bla. You are speculating.” >>>This is irrelevant to the central point, i did not agree with the strikes but I dont like the kremlin lying. So stop with the non-sequiters.

“2. Your syntaxe is bad on this point, I dont quite understand. Ask the Syrians , nobody ever seems to think to talk to them. I also called the zoo and asked the monkey about the kremlin, he screeched and hung up.” LoL what? Has nothing to do with the central point

“3. There are videos on this site, of interceptions and hits. I doubt Syria has a cctv infrastructure like we do, cant prove that but you use the same argument in your point 1.” Oh so there are no survalence cameras in syria? Technology that has been around since the late 1980? No you fail. Also those videos you speak of are less than clear on by count only 15 missiles can be seen, even in the 1 hour live stream. 71 incoming missiles x142+ interceptors, yet thats all we see? In fact, one of the “interceptions” happened over the city and no one photographed the debris of the missile? Yeah right. Also, ONLY FLIR or Foward Looking Infared can visually see an interception, just like the Houthis did in Yemen.

4. This is not my area of expertise, nor is it yours, you spent last 45 minutes looking for that and copy paste. My area of expertise is construction materials and associated plants. I speak from experience…you speak like a kid that doesnt know the real world. >>>My area of expertise is mechanical engineering, and if you dont understand why the fuck dont you ask? Dont play stupid. Again a blast fragmentation warhead like those on syrian missiles explode by proximity fuse in a 360° r^2 in a conical shape in an attempt to hit vital systems to bring it down. All the scraps the kremlin showed are more evident of the warhead hitting its target and disintegrating. SAMs cannot disintegrate missiles or strip the outer shell like in the “warhead” they showed.

“Man them butt cheeks must be getting cold up there? Want a tuque? R Get rekt” >>>sorry you getting schooled son. Come on, give me your best reaponse, or any kremlin stooge reading this, I challenge you, scared of a little “dumb American”?

So your telling me your in mecanical engineering, then you should know exacly who and what parker does.

Listen dude, you can bitch about russia all you want, they are showing much better evidence than anything the us shows. You claim you are against the strikes yet you clearly went out of your way to rebuff some evidence presented by the russians?

And regardless, to use a line often used by our own governments, there is other evidence thats is classified for national security.

Regardless of wether these missiles hit or not is irrelevant.

The atrocious warmongoring policies of your government is what you should pay attention to. You made bed with saudi and israel, and its hurting your society and also mine as your northen neighbor.

Lets wait a bit perhaps more evidence will come out. The thing is its hard to be objective with the little evidence there is. Also our medias suck.

Exactly what I thought you would do, your reply is an emotionally charged rhetorical desperation. You dont even attempt to refute any of the points I brought up. Surley you would just love to debunk me and make me look like a fool right? But you are cowaring away from the central point, i disagree with the strikes, but I also disagree with blatant regressive propaganda and lies. So if you will, please oh please make me look like a fool by rebutting my arguments. Have at it, or will you just run away? Or spout out more rhetorical nonsense?

How do you know that the last gas attack wasn’t faked? How do you know that 9/11 was all planned and executed by al Qaeda? How do you know that Saddam had missiles that could strike London? How do you know that Saddam bought yellowcake? How do you know that those aluminum tubes were for a nuclear weapons program?

I would think the Iranians have learned from that. I hope so anyway. :)

You don’t have guts to bomb the shit out of anyone except the sorry inhabitants of the open air prison of Gaza. You have no guts to take on anyone who can shoot back.

How many World Wars have you won? lol :D

The WWs were won by the bankers, who are as gutless as you. They will not fight anyone who can shoot back. They get others to fight their wars. Happy now?

bankers? WTF?! you are fcking stuipd! block!

Got to second Florian. Time to hit the Dirt Joe.

Go back to putting stickers on cars you worthless fuck

For people interested in the matter please lookup this: 10.1049/cp:20070488 The method is using FM radio broadcasting as the radiowave generator, keeping the radar system passive and therefore undetectable. As Radiowaves are available to UHF and even lower frequencies, stealth is rendered useless to prevent detection. Practicalk work in this matter had been done at University of Shanghai http://ast.sjtu.edu.cn/RIG/people.html

Russia has radar in not only X and C bands but low frequency which is nto as high resolution but can see large RF absorbing targets.

I always suspect stealth is useless and that is why russians actually do not really invest in stealth airplanes.

No missiles shot down dumbass