It seems US President Donald Trump has very complicated relations with the current Turkish government. First, he declared ISIS defeated and said that the US local allies, including Turkey, will be able to take care of what remains from the terroris group. Now, he threatens Ankara with destroying its economy.
Starting the long overdue pullout from Syria while hitting the little remaining ISIS territorial caliphate hard, and from many directions. Will attack again from existing nearby base if it reforms. Will devastate Turkey economically if they hit Kurds. Create 20 mile safe zone….
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 13, 2019
….Likewise, do not want the Kurds to provoke Turkey. Russia, Iran and Syria have been the biggest beneficiaries of the long term U.S. policy of destroying ISIS in Syria – natural enemies. We also benefit but it is now time to bring our troops back home. Stop the ENDLESS WARS!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 13, 2019
hahaha the stupid terrorist supporting Turkeys have been kissing Americunt lardass and licking Zionist parasites for 70 years and nothing to show for but humiliation. The dumb moron Erdogan does not realize that US/Zionist agenda is a dead Turkey for Thanksgiving. The CIA and MOSSAD in Arbil are building a the largest PKK and YPJ army to take on the Turkeys on their own turf. The Turkeys are occupied by NATO masters anyway and totally impotent.
Turks are real donkeys or Khar e Tork. They fail to see history, US/Zionist agenda is a weak Turkey that is subservient slave to both. The cannon fodder Turks don’t really matter to NATO anymore as they have proven militarily inept anyway. The Kurds are the most devious bastards going back to mullah Barzani and his enslavement to Zionists and CIA. Erdogan is an idiot who thinks that his Americunt masters will reward him for supporting Wahhabi terror against Syria a totally peaceful and friendly neighbor. The dumb Turkeys have another thing coming, their military is cowardly and the Kurds now armed with thousands of tons of modern weapons will wear out the Turkeys in a renewed guerilla war, mostly in Turkey now. If Turkey needs to survive it should join the Axis of Resistance and stop the terror campaign against Syria and Iraq.
Khar e tork, lol. Shoma farsi harfmizani?
Cheghad bacheh mahal inja darim.
What language is that if I may ask?
Everyday Persian, as spoken not as written.
Thanks Garga!
Vagan ah, yani ye chizi jalebiyeh.
I have my doubts about the Jews completely throwing Turkey under the bus. I have a feeling they are just trying to bring it back under control and let it know who’s boss. If you knew the secret history of Turkey you’d know that the Jews have spent decades propping up and preparing Turkey for its role as the geopolitical attack dog of the Western empire. Yes as of now and especially after the failed coup Erdogan is proving to be uncooperative but the Jews will likely play the long game and either wait out his rule or find a way to get rid of him but I don’t think they’ll try to get rid of Turkey entirely.
The very reason the West allowed Turkey to exist after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire was to prevent a power vacuum in Anatolia and Western Asia which would have been filled by the Soviet Union. If they were to break up Turkey today the power vacuum would again be filled by Russia and Iran, hardly a win for Zionist West.
Actually they didn’t fear that the power vacuum would be filled by commies, Zionism’s worst enemy from the ancient times was Hellenism. Western civilization was created by Hellenism. What they fear more than anything in this world is Greece taking a lead role in the global events.
You’re right but you’re only talking about the Western parts of Turkey. The original plan was to give the Western parts to Greece, Eastern parts to Armenia, Southern parts to Syria and create two new states of Kurdistan in the south east and a much smaller Turkey in the middle. However other than perhaps Greece none of those other states would have been powerful enough on their own to resist Soviet infiltration and domination.
mother fucker terrorists, america left because of us, not you little monkeys
You don’t really find voices of reason often nowadays. But you my friend, you are spot on, in every aspect. Congratz.
Efcharistó fíle mou. Just trying to keep things real :)
You’re welcome friend. I know it’s hard to keep things real in a society based on deceit.
shut the fuck up bitch, then stay mother fucker bitch americans
hooked nosed fckn whores??these WARRIORS r more fckn warriors then u coward behind your fckn computer,they fought the good fight and won!why the fck u think they took so much territory??BECAUSE they r a warrior nation u weak ass slave and these warriors r the spitting image of my personal fckn bloodline and if any of u fcks attack em i shall attack you!!!and punk ass bitch i win MY military engagments!!blessed by the war Gods themselves!!
Hah your funny.
Your warriors ran away pretty quick from PMU in Iraq last year…the finest warrior people ran. Away from a bunch of dudes with iranian cash & guns.
Remeber when Al Jubeir showed up and all your leaders lined up to kiss saudi ass?
The same saudis that supported your alleged ennemy ISIS?
Remember how your kurds and their american friends flooded the Euphrates during Deir Ez Zor city battle to stopp SAA from taking east bank? That was some honorable move there, the true warrior people spirit right??
The kurdish leadership and their stooges turned their backs on the Syrian people and the kurdish people also. TREASON!
SAA killed more ISIS at deir ez zor than anyone else anywhere.
The argument kurds did more is null and void.
SAA defeated ISIS at deir ez zor.Period. kurds kinda helped.
Are you proud of flattening Raqqa?? The war gods sure are proud of you. Arrogant prick!
There is only one path for you, cooperate with SAA.
We all know it as do you!
You the so called “thunder”…you dont lead…you follow the lighting. SAA is the lighting…follow it.
stay then bitch americans, dont bark stay and dont withdraw “will devastate turkeys economy” mate we will devastate your proxy army then we will see how your tone changes
Putin must be uncorking the champagne (Russian made of course due to EU sanctions) upon hearing of these threats, as those just pushed Turkey towards Moscow again. Without Putin having to lift a finger.
Russians have very good champagne, but I still dont think is time for it yet. The day is young sort of to speak.
True, but as far as Russian foreign policy is concerned they got a really nice gift handed to them today.
wait and see if is a gift or a very well planned trap.
Erdogan being your ally is always a case of who needs enemies. You look up the word untrustworthy in the dictionary, you’ll find his picture.
yep looked it up it comes up, trump and ertogan holding each other ass, with may and macron kneeling in front of them. I wonder what they are up to.
agreed, in fact, the global security situation is still very serious. but we can get through this.
The mentally stable hyper-genius Trump is also a Meisterdiplomat.
Agree, US is its own worst enemy.
But its politics , so nobody really knowns until we are on the other side.
yes, but i think of it like a rubber band
Eh, unfortunately President Trump has a head full of himself and a bunch of delusion. Whatever he does, it will eventually be cleaned up and he will be forgotten.
When I keep saying Putin and Trump are both involved in a plan to destroy Erdogan in Syria and at home politically, people scoff and ask what the hell are you talking about, but that’s because they misread tweets like this. Don’t listen to what anybody else tells you these 2 tweets from Trump really mean, no matter how much of an expert they’re supposed to be, Trump’s telling us all what’s really going down and we don’t need a translator or expert to tell us what he really means, just listen to the man himself, he makes it real simple. Since January last year he’s done every single little thing he said he would concerning Syria, so he’s not about to change now after being on the same steady course he has for over a year, the road out of Syria is already set in stone. So unless any of the so called experts you listened to actually said Trump’s going to do exactly what he said he is, they weren’t really experts at all, just deep state propagandists, stop listening to them and start listening to Trump instead. Erdogan will invade Syria sometime in the near future, most of you don’t realize it yet but he doesn’t have a choice any longer, the path he set himself 6 months ago doesn’t allow for any other eventuality, he has to invade east Syria to save himself and his economy, he needs the Syrian oil just to survive now. In June/July Erdogan did something he shouldn’t have done, he placed an all or nothing bet on the continuation of his political career, he falsely believed he had both Putin and Trump over barrels that neither of them could jump off of, but he was wrong. I’ve been saying on SF for over 10 months now that Trump is leaving Syria and in the process of FORCING the Kurds to return to Assad, and I don’t think too many people could argue that’s exactly what’s happening now. But I’ve also been saying on SF for nearly 4 months now, that Erdogan is separating his forces from HTS and consolidating in the north, and abandoning all of southern Idlib so the SAA could come in and smash HTS easily, and that too looks as if it’s coming to pass exactly the way I said it would. As much as my prediction of a looming war between the Kurds and the Turks, that will culminate in both the US and Russia siding with the Kurds and eliminating Erdogan in the process, sounds as mad as my other 2 predictions did, I think a lot of you will be shocked when that also happens. Too many people listen to the so called experts instead of listening to the leaders, nothing that’s happened or about to happen should be shocking anyone, the leaders have all told us what they’re going to do or not going do, it’s time to start listening to them instead of the deep state propaganda machine. If you think that news sources like SF don’t spew US deep state propaganda as much as the pro US news sources do you’re mistaken, they all do it, they can’t help it, there wouldn’t be much news at all if they didn’t. Only listen to the leaders of Russia, the US, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and Israel now, not the US deep state propaganda machine, only by listening to the leaders themselves will you get at least some sort of an idea of what they’re really intending. 3 more mini wars to go, Idlib 4 weeks of war, Al Hasakah 3 to 6 months of war, and then the political war in Turkey that will get rid of Erdogan for good, that could be anything from weeks to years. Everything happens for a reason, and there’s so many reasons now that Erdogan just has to go, that I’m dumbfounded as to why no one else seems to see them, but all the major players see the reasons thank God, and they know exactly what they have to do about it, exactly what they have been since July last year. The war in Syria ended back in January last year, and Erdogan was stabbed and killed by the mob back in June/July, the same way that gay Julius Caesar was, and all we’re seeing now are his death throws. All the Arab league, Trump and Putin, most of the major EU members and the Israelis all had to plunge a blade into Erdogan back in June/july, and they did, as I say, now he’s just a dead man walking.
I said it first 12 mth ago that Trump would stay with his promises. I predicted it before anybody else. I dont see your point of why all should agree to get rid of Erdogan because of Syria or Kurds Things are going smoothly with Russia and Iran. Another guy would jeopardize the balance for everybody.
It’s not what I think, it’s what everybody’s saying, not with words, more like body language, actions and reactions. All parties agreed to end the war back in June/July everyone except for Erdogan. The Arab league wanted peace, stability and a return to economic prosperity. The Israelis and Iranians wanted that too as well as a new security arrangement that Russia could guarantee. The EU wanted and end to the refugee crisis and to also renew many lucrative business deals that they had with both Syria and Iran before the war. Trump wanted to pull out the troops and leave the Kurds in Assad’s/Russia’s care with a good deal for them from Assad [not self autonomy, limited autonomy] but Assad destroyed that when he invaded Afrin. He’d also hoped to use the end of the Syrian war as a bargaining chip in the negotiations with Iran, and though Erdogan didn’t do anything to destroy that, he didn’t help either. Everyone but Erdogan wanted to end the war back in June/July, the Arab League much earlier, Trump back in January, why would any of the parties he fu-ked over by not ending the war back then like him in any way now. They’ve all seen how he does business, no compromise, no loyalty, no abiding by agreements, and a will to meddle in his neighbours affairs even when everyone else is telling him to stop, he’s not the sort of person any reasonable party would want to deal with full stop, he’s plain and simple just an a hole. Turkey’s economy is fu-ked atm, he can’t afford to run his own country leave alone mount another invasion into Syria, if he tries and fails he’ll also lose politically, and any new leader of Turkey will be much more diplomatic than Erdogan was, the Turks couldn’t vote in another asshole, they would due to everything’s that’s happened only vote in a moderate politician with moderate views, the sort of person everyone could do business with, perfect for Putin, Trump, and everyone else. Also one key factor everyone overlooks is hi popularity rating, it’s high at 60% but the 40% who don’t approve actually hate him, not what anyone could call a stable political presence, here one day and the next he could be hanging from a tree in the public square, would you like making deals with someone who could be so easily bumped off the next day, neither does anyone else. Find out how all the other parties reacted to Erdogan just after June/July when he refused to stop fighting, Putin, Trump, the EU, Arab league, China, maybe you’ll start to agree with me. He is the odd man out now and has to go, if they can’t get him out politically, they’ll entice him into a war he can’t win, and get him out that way. If you’ve seen my posts about Idlib you’ll know I’ve predicting EXACTLY what’s happening there now with a 100% accuracy, yes 100% accuracy, and I’ve been saying it for 4 months now, long before any of the so called experts did, it wasn’t just a good guess, I payed a lot of attention to what was happening, and I payed even more attention to how everyone reacted to Erdogan after June/July, he will be booted out after he goes to war against the Kurds. And as I keep saying, listen to the leaders, not the political and military analyst’s, they just confuse things. so what does Erdogan keep saying even now, Kill the Kurds, go to war, he hasn’t stopped. He has to go.
This is a comment by me on SF from 2 months ago, if you have the time take a read. I was pretty angry at the time so please excuse my rude remarks.
Discussion on southfront 51 comments U.S. Envoy: We Are Not Committed To Regime Change In Syria Willing Conscience (The Truths Willing Conscience (The Truths 2 months ago KURDISH RECONCILIATION WITH ASSAD that’s what this story is all about and nothing else. It didn’t mention the Kurds even once and yet this story is all about the Kurds and little else. This is a message to the Kurds admitting the US will abandon their cause [the same thing they did to the FSA in Daraa/Quneitra/Rif Dimashq] if they don’t reconcile with Assad, it’s as simple as that. But Trump’s been telling the Kurds this for at least 5 or 6 months now, so they already know what’s being orchestrated for them right now, it’s just the chimpanzees that don’t. Trumps said from before his presidency he wants to leave Syria, and he’s said it many times since, but the deep state doesn’t want to leave because they still want to build a Saudi pipeline to the EU [to help destroy Russia], this confuses the chimpanzees more than anything else does. Trumps working on a deal to force the Kurds back to Assad, but the deal will include the removal of Iranian forces from Syrian territory. We don’t hear about it but we don’t have to, only chimps need to be told, the rest of us don’t. With all the info made available to us over the last 6 months, how could any human not realize what’s been happening, it’s not like they have to spell it out for us, chimps maybe but not us humans.
“The idea of a trade of Iranian withdrawal for American relief on sanctions on Iran to come up, that’s something that under no circumstances would we accept,” Jeffrey stressed.— Chimps don’t know what this is but the humans do, it’s called a lie little chimps. It’s what some smart devious humans do, but it only fools chimps, not humans, it’s actually a magicians trick, the left hand is doing the opposite of the right hand, say one thing and mean the exact opposite, ohh it doesn’t matter, chimps can’t understand anyway. The chimps will probably think that everything else was a lie and this part of the statement was the truth, but it’s the exact opposite, this was the lie and all the rest was the truth, poor chimps.
The Kurds are on strike and only fighting the Turks and their proxies, not Isis. I wonder why the chimps don’t understand what that means, any human would recognize this as a means of leverage over the US, a way for the Kurds to get something they wanted, but not the chimps. Trumps calling their bluff right now, this article tells us that, us humans at least, I’m not sure what the chimps make of it, judging from the comments so far the chimps are even more confused than ever, but what Trump’s really saying is this, –NO you Kurds can’t have anything more than I’ve already promised you, take what I’ve already offered and go back to Assad with my blessing and all my presents, or else face Erdogan all by yourselves with no support from the US, that’s it. We’ve already given you permission to start kicking Erdogan out after we go, we’re letting you kill them now while we’re here in Syria, and we’re still going to continue to let you kill them after we go too [and with overt and covert help from the SAA and Russia, and us too but that’ll be our little secret], be happy, live long and prosper, but don’t ask for even one more thing—, that’s what Trumps saying, I’m guessing it doesn’t translate into chimp language very easily. Putin’s got all the chimps fooled too, they all think he has nothing to do with what’s going on, they don’t realize it’s a plan that both he and Trump came up with. A good plan to help sort out this whole sorry mess, and it’s a plan that will keep all parties at least halfway happy, EXCEPT FOR ERDOGAN, not Turkey itself, just Erdogan, I think it’s a brilliant plan. And just so the chimps can make fun of me if I’m proven wrong, I’ll make some predictions now. The Kurds will return to Assad and Syrian sovereignty with some political concessions not self autonomy, this will most likely include, the allowance of Kurdish language and Names, local council administration, Kurdish police force [possibly], inclusion in the SAA but some forces left independant to deal with Erdogan, a fairer division of oil revenue but totally administered and controlled by central government, and the US will even let them keep all the weapons and equipment they’ve already been given, the US may even give them even more before they finally leave. I’ll also predict that Erdogan is about to leave/abandon Southern Idlib to concentrate on east Aleppo and then try and find excuses to take over Kurdish territory in Ar Raqqah, which is his real intention, he’s told us a million times already but for some reason it’s only our chimps that haven’t understood the message, the Turkish chimps did, the Kurdish chimps did, but ours didn’t, mmm, their chimps must be smarter that ours. And this will all happen according to Trump and Putin’s GRAND plan too, it’s all a part of the same plan to implement a stable state of affairs in the whole region, one that will keep all parties secure if not happy, it will include the Israelis/US/Russia/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Syrian Kurds/Lebanese Hezbollah/Jordan and Turkey, but it won’t include Erdogan, he’ll have to go. A little war between Erdogan and the Kurds that he loses [quickly and decisively] will be enough to get him out of power, the Turkish economy is already failing and the people are getting angry, at the moment they’re angry with the US, but they won’t be after a failed war with the Kurds, they’ll rightly blame Erdogan for that, and then for sure the Turks will vote in someone Putin and Trump can really do business with, not a destabilizing Asshole like Erdogan, another part of their grand plan. Erdogan hasn’t abided by not even one of the things he said he would in the Astana agreement he made with Putin, NOT ONE, he’s done the exact opposite so many times it’s insulting, but Putin the diplomat doesn’t have feelings, he takes it all in his stride, he just keeps on doing deals with a man who hasn’t adhered to any deals they’ve previously made regardless. And unlike me, Putin doesn’t really want to see him hanging from a tree [due to an orchestrated uprising against him after a failed war against the Kurds], Putin’s immune to being shit on so many times, he’s inhuman and has no feelings, just a zombie diplomat, yeah sure chimps, humans are no different from chimps in that respect, when we have our feelings hurt we get angry too, and want revenge, I don’t think Putin’s any different from any other human alive, I’ve seen him say on video,”for every one of ours you kill, we’ll kill 10 of yours”, that was not the diplomat speaking, that was the man. I’ve been saying this for 5 months now and have endured all sorts of insults for my observations, called a liar, halfwit, troll [NEVER unless trolled first, this is a rare exception] Zionist [NEVER], ignorant, propagandist for the US [guilty on just the odd occasion when I agree with them], Kurdish sympathizer [not an insult to me], Anti Turkish [not true, just anti Erdogan] and a lot more things too, this comment is for all you people that had a go at me for stating what I thought was the obvious, and insulted me for my observations when you should have just countered them with your own. It’s becoming as plain as the noses on your faces now, I think you’re all about to find I’m not the one misunderstanding everything going on in Syria, it’s been you guys that have been calling me stupid, the chimps. The Kurds WILL go back to Assad in the next few months, Erdogan will lose/leave at least the south of Idlib in the next few months, and everything else I’ve stated will also play out over the next 12 months, the Turkish war against the Kurds, the end of Erdogan in Turkey, a NEW deal with Iran, and a new stability in the region where most parties either return to the pre war status quo, or in most case are actually better off than they were before the war. Trump crunched the numbers before his presidency and said, the numbers are bad, we want out of Syria, now he’s getting out. Most of us believe [due to the crap media we read], that getting out of this mess in Syria will be just about impossible, there are too many factions with too many different interest to make anything easy, but that’s just chimp think, it’s exactly the opposite, it’s really easy to get out of this mess and improve things, what was really hard was making the war in Syria happen in the first place, but chimps don’t see it that way, they just sit back in their own little worlds, rubbing themselves against the nearest tree, eyeing off the neighbouring chimps stash of food, screaming uselessly at the predator on the ground that’s trying to eat them, but I shouldn’t really complain about it, that’s just what chimps do, they can’t help it, they’re just chimps
So Trump repeat his call in public to Washington´s lead departments to stop endless wars. This is good news and good leadership. Not that we believe anything before we see it, but Trump is doing his job along the road.
I like the way hes doing it.
He is trying to show to the public the collusion between government military and media for more wars. He is correct in seeing americas war’s as money pits and wants to close them.
Its the only choice he has left I beleive.
What trumps is really saying is ,keep away from the oil and gas fields in the east,we have an arrangement with our puppet Kurds to make as much money as possible for our zionist bosses,You have been warned.
Now this makes Sense !!! wkwkwkwkwk
Are this talking by responsible president The USA to Turks , 2. biggest partner in NATO ? Trumo is really psycho patient !
All of the below and many others, can be used, when discussing Trump now.
“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.” ― Abraham Lincoln
“The measure of a man is what he does with power.” ― Plato
“Power does not corrupt. Fear corrupts… perhaps the fear of a loss of power.” ― John Steinbeck
“The object of terrorism is terrorism. The object of oppression is oppression. The object of torture is torture. The object of murder is murder. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?” ― George Orwell, 1984
turkey be careful with your choice here for this time you will lose and even powerful allies will turn into enemies none will be able to withstand wrath from so many warrior nations and leaders this time,i asked u before to stand down turkey and to learn to live in harmony with the kurds who r the spitting image of my personal bloodline and if they look just like my family members i assure you i will fight for them against all enemies even you!!
“Stop the ENDLESS WARS!”
Trump is on the right path with this if he can deliver. Allowing the Jews to attack Syria isn’t helping to get the wars stopped.
Thats was bold of him to say that. I hope it gets through to people!
The Israeli attack is a mere annoyance with little tactical value…let it go. You go in the woods dont you? Does a mosquito bite bother you? Of course not! Even it its 200 , spread out over time, ya dont notice that. Let the likudniks drown in their own mess…its coming.
You have a point. And before the SADF upgrade that was the prevailing view among many.
Let me ask you, assuming that these systems work as advertised, which is yet to be proven, and there wouldn’t be any secret tech exposed, and that’s an open question. But in the event that using them wouldn’t reveal secret tech, why wouldn’t you stop the attacks and demonstrate that Russia is in a superior position?
Trump is certainly very blunt individual – but this statement is likely really about sidestepping the Neo-Cons at home. Neo-Con’s will use every card available to try and keep US military in Syria – and the ‘humanitarian intervention’ is one of their favorite public relations ploys – herein with a protect the YPG-Kurds narrative. In last decades, ‘humanitarian intervention’ has been a very effective public relations cover story, masquerading the actual Neo-Con foreign policy of direct and aggressive military offensives against non-US-compliant foreign states – but which pose no imminent threat to the US mainland or its vital interests.
said it before – to ask the turks to be nice to the kurds is like making the poacher the gamekeeper and as long as the kurds believe there is some tangibles in the statement from the most demented head of state anywhere, they will provoke the turks to commit red line transgressions. at least till the dumb schmucks (the kurds) realize that there is nothing in the demented states of a’s statement that is for real and just offered to calm them down while the demented twats packs up and hurry home to mom, apple-pie and a crumbling infrastructure and inequality and 45 millions on food stamps and 45 millions beneath the poverty line – great place for a veteran to be, might just stay on in the middle east where the food is served every day.
I am curious, I really find it strange that Trump takes credit for Defeating ISIS and then goes on saying the Russian Iran Syria benefited from the US? When the US clearly armed terrorists the only occupation they have is northern Syria sandwiched between everyone and a 50km chunk in the middle of the desert? And it was Russia and I know this will not be popular Iran you saved Syria and broke ISIS back!
Americans will believe anything, just look at all the crazy conspiracy theories they believe, they are like children.