Turkey Deploys Leopard 2 Tanks On Border With Syria (Video)

GOODIE, YOU CAN COUNT TO 10! GAS THE JEWS!

Couldn’t agree more.

You might be interested in hearing that Denmark said yes to upgrade our Leo 2A5 to 2A7 standards.

Any more news on the Franco-German new tank program?

I havent checked, so i cant answer that one, sorry.

They say they will have a tank in production for 2035, while Spain and some other nations are set to join the program.

So much for the death of the tank.

Yeah i heard that, but havent dived into the subject. Perhaps i should. Thanks for the heads up.

I thought that there’d be at least some Turkish crew in harms way.

That’s right, what amazes me is that the T55s must have done a lot of mileage, to put it mildly!

They certainly have seen some service since first arriving, that’s for sure. I’ve seen videos where WW2 era T34s were pulled out of marshes, and after a brief clean up, some have started!

I’m quoting Russia’s deputy prime minister, that’s what he said, didn’t you see the quotes,

“Russia will not mass-produce its new third-generation T-14 Armata main battle tank (MBT) as it is too costly, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told Russian media on July 30. Instead, the Russian military will continue to rely on older platforms such as the T-72B3s (fitted with explosive reactive armor), an upgraded variant of the original Soviet-era T-72 MBT, or the T-90A MBT, according to Borisov.”

So Russia designed a new improved tank despite the fact the tanks they already had in stock were more than good enough to do the job required, and now they’re going to stop mass producing the new tanks because they really don’t need them because it’s cheaper and just as effective to modify the old ones. But no other countries are developing new tanks now, China is the latest 2015 but it was a light tank, not a MBT, and they developed their newest MBT back in 2000. Everyone’s developing new assault vehicles, artillery, aviation, etcetera, but no ones developing new tanks anymore, I wonder why?

I don’t read CIA pamphlets, but a simple Wiki check would tell you that the Armata program has been extended to 2025. Production tanks are undergoing State testing, as is normal for any new tank or other military gear produced by Russia. Russia has no need for mass production, Britain built 400 Challengers decades ago, without replacement. Same as France, build 400 then watch their force shrink. Russia will replace their tanks with T14 not by eliminating thousands of T72s in one go, but by gradual replacement at a steady rate. You forget the Japanese new tank, as well as Turkish, S Korean new tanks, so obviously you are slow or else just trolling.

I don’t think you can read at all, this is what I quoted and you called a CIA pamplett,

“”Russia will not mass-produce its new third-generation T-14 Armata main battle tank (MBT) as it is too costly, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told Russian media on July 30. Instead, the Russian military will continue to rely on older platforms such as the T-72B3s (fitted with explosive reactive armor), an upgraded variant of the original Soviet-era T-72 MBT, or the T-90A MBT, according to Borisov.”

and this is what the wiki article says,

“In July 2018, Deputy Prime Minister for Defence and Space Industry Yury Borisov said there is currently no need to mass-produce the Armata when its older predecessors, namely the latest variants of the T-72, remain “effective against American, German and French counterparts”, saying, “Why flood our military with Armatas, the T-72s are in great demand on the market(s).”[20][29] Instead, a modernization program of the T-72s, T-80s and T-90s in-service will take precedence.[30] In August 2018, at the ARMY2018 Forum outside Moscow, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the purchase of 32 T-14s tanks and 100 T-15 infantry fighting vehicles, with delivery to be finished by 2021.[31] In 2019 it was announced that the first 12 tanks would be delivered by the end of that year,[23] but by November the delivery forecast slipped to “late 2019 or early 2020.”[32] In mid January 2020 the head of Rostec said no Armata-platform vehicles including T-14 tanks had been delivered, and in February the CEO of Uralvagonzavod only said that Armata-platform armour (not necessarily T-14 tanks) would start shipping in 2020.[33]. Furthermore, also in February 2020 it became evident that the set of requirements for the intended engine of the tank were not met by the construction bureau and the project of development of the engine would be closed in first quarter of 2020, futher delaying the introduction of the tank for an unspecified time”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata

And this is how old the newest Japanese tank is, “Development began in the 1990s, with a prototype revealed in February 2008. In January 2012, thirteen Type 10 tanks entered JGSDF service.” 30 years ago to 12 years ago.”

And this is how old the newest Turkish tank is, “On 16 November 2012, two Altay prototypes successfully passed initial acceptance tests, paving the way for serial production 2 years earlier than expected, with two more prototypes to be built by 2013 or 2014”. 11 years ago to 6 years ago.

And this is how old the newest Korean tank is, “Mass production commenced in 2013 and the first K2s were deployed with the armed forces in June 2014.” So at least 7 years and whatever before that, probably back in 1999.

So 6 years, 7 years, and 12 years, and that’s for the newest of the new, I don’t think any countries are too interested in designing new tanks anymore, new missiles, drones and aircraft maybe, but not tanks.

You should probably change your name to wrongisright rightiswrong.

Go duck off and play with the little girls you ducking prize p rick.

You said only Russia is developing new tanks, and then admit that many nations are, or have recently designed and built new tanks!

You ducking as shole.

How can you tell the difference between a comment made by a LGBTQI proponent and a comment made by an LGBTQI opponent, just look for the one that’s rude and obnoxious first and that’s the LGBTQI one.

I can tell you are a ducking prize p rick, after I ducked your wife. She will tell you how much of a man she got, and she says you duck like a boy, a man is what she needs.

Got that loser!

More typical faggot talk, of course you’re a fag and the worst kind of fag, I’d be more scared of you being around male children than I would my girlfriend, go watch a LGBTQI video and shut up, and you’re false bravado just make you look like an idiot, threatening to come around and rape my girlfiend, if she didn’t kill you first I would, and with my bare hands. You lost as as soon as you started being rude, fag loser, go have a cry for a while,

“despite your ridiculous claim they can’t afford it.”

But it’s a direct quote from the Russian deputy prime minister you stupid fag.

” “I don’t read CIA pamphlets, but a simple Wiki check would tell you that the Armata program has been extended to 2025.”

But it was a copy and paste from a wiki page with the quote from Russia’s deputy prime minister you stupid fag.

“”so obviously you are slow or else just trolling.”

And you’re obviously a raping homosexual, I can tell from these 3 comments, PURE FAG. Go F–k youself you dumb LGBTQI fag.

Your bare hands are usually full of KY Gel.

You couldn’t fight your way out of a wet paper bag you ducking as shole.

What girlfriend?

You dock muckers are priceless.

Also France, Germany and Spain are planning to introduce their tank in 2035, don’t you trolls do any research?

Of course not, as you are a ducking prize p rick.

No I don’t do much research on what’s happening in the field of tank development, my original comment was just an observation and a prediction due to my observations, my knowledge of MBT’s has only increased since you sent me that last comment,

“You forget the Japanese new tank, as well as Turkish, S Korean new tanks, so obviously you are slow or else just trolling.”

I quickly looked them up to see if you were correct, our definitions of “new tanks” are not in sync, 6 to 12 years isn’t a new tank in my books, though I do understand they don’t design new models every year, more like once a decade. And why didn’t you mention France, Germany and Spain on your last comment, it would have been a lot more enlightening to say that instead of mentioning the newest 6 to 12 year old Japanese, S. Korean, and Turkish tanks.

Are you upset with my,

“You should probably change your name to wrongisright rightiswrong.”

comment, then perhaps you shouldn’t have said this,

“The Russians are building over 2000 T14s, despite your ridiculous claim they can’t afford it. The first 100 serially produced tank are on the production line as you quote the CIA and their usual shyte.”

But the quote was from the Russian deputy prime minister, you dumb LGBTQI retard, and you shouldn’t have said this either,

“I don’t read CIA pamphlets, but a simple Wiki check would tell you that the Armata program has been extended to 2025.”

But again I was just quoting what the Russian deputy prime minister Yuri Borisov said, I had no idea he worked for the CIA, I’m so glad you’ve broken a Russian spy ring, you’ll get medals for this, LOL. And you also said this,

“so obviously you are slow or else just trolling.”

Am I, gee and here I was thinking it was you doing the trolling. The LGBTQI organization has changed the meaning of absolutely everything, even trolling has a new definition, you’re very enlightening aren’t you.

Good to know you are a self confessed p rick.

Only to rude fags who think they can get away with it :]

But still, you admitted to being a p rick.

Not often that happens, a p rick identifying themselves. Good on you, p rick.

You should change your name to Willing Troll{poorly paid troll}

Of course you don’t do research, you just post what you are given, dumb schmuck.

You said,

“The Russians have just built the T-14, next generation tank, such is their belief in the effectifness of a big gun on a mobile armoured platform.”

So I did some research and found this,

“Russia will not mass-produce its new third-generation T-14 Armata main battle tank (MBT) as it is too costly, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told Russian media on July 30. Instead, the Russian military will continue to rely on older platforms such as the T-72B3s (fitted with explosive reactive armor), an upgraded variant of the original Soviet-era T-72 MBT, or the T-90A MBT, according to Borisov.”

And you called it a CIA pamplett, but the wiki itself says the same thing my copy and paste did,

“In July 2018, Deputy Prime Minister for Defence and Space Industry Yury Borisov said there is currently no need to mass-produce the Armata when its older predecessors, namely the latest variants of the T-72, remain “effective against American, German and French counterparts”, saying, “Why flood our military with Armatas, the T-72s are in great demand on the market(s).”[20][29] Instead, a modernization program of the T-72s, T-80s and T-90s in-service will take precedence.[30] In August 2018, at the ARMY2018 Forum outside Moscow, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the purchase of 32 T-14s tanks and 100 T-15 infantry fighting vehicles, with delivery to be finished by 2021.[31] In 2019 it was announced that the first 12 tanks would be delivered by the end of that year,[23] but by November the delivery forecast slipped to “late 2019 or early 2020.”[32] In mid January 2020 the head of Rostec said no Armata-platform vehicles including T-14 tanks had been delivered, and in February the CEO of Uralvagonzavod only said that Armata-platform armour (not necessarily T-14 tanks) would start shipping in 2020.[33]. Furthermore, also in February 2020 it became evident that the set of requirements for the intended engine of the tank were not met by the construction bureau and the project of development of the engine would be closed in first quarter of 2020, futher delaying the introduction of the tank for an unspecified time” https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FT-14_Armata%3AlylXtKT-YvcT5NEZ4gmZEaiHzUc&cuid=3606370

What’s the difference you dickhead, none, you stupid fag, NONE.

I should change my name to – Danger, ‘rude’ fags beware – that way d-ck liickers like you know what you’re getting yourselves into when you want to try be rude to me for no good reason, go cry to one of your boyfriends, they might give a shit, I don’t.

Danger rude fag is your new name?

Fitting. A ducking p rick who says there are moderate rebels in Idlib, know duck all about military matters, and is a fag.

I totally agree with the last part of your comment except that I’d say that we never learn until it’s too late. And I also agree with your reference to lack of operator skills being a determining factor in many of the tank losses in Syria, but the fact remains that tanks can be beaten way too easily, and by cost effective means, and on top of that we now have other weapons and equipment that can fulfil the role tanks once served. Artillery range and accuracy have improved, drones and aviation [especially choppers] can fulfill many of the same roles tanks do, assault vehicles and man portable anti tank missiles also fill some of the same same roles. The only thing a tank can do that none of it’s substitutes can do is hold a position and take punishment, apart from that the tanks other roles are all covered, but the tanks ability to withstand punishment is being subverted by the ability to deliver growing amounts of punishment. Armour strength has probably doubled over the last few decades but offensive power has increased tenfold, if they’re not obsolete yet they will be soon. How many new models of tanks have been designed recently apart from the Armata, not many countries seem too interested in designing new tanks, and since the Russians are discontinuing production on their new tanks, I’d be taking that as an ominous sign they’re becoming obsolete.

The tank is a popular target on the battlefield yes. But artillery and direct tank fire cannot be compared, and they cannot replace each other. The artillery have range, power and versatility on its side, and the tank have instant surgical precision and instant shift of fire to its advantage.

I served at the Jutland Dragoons for two years and we fought arm in arm with our Leo 2´s. I learned how important they are to the infantry and how important infantry is to them.

After being deployed to iraq as a MECHINF, i was a gunner on our 60mm mortars. There i learned how “slow” artillery fire is compared to tank fire; With a tank you just yell over the radio: 2nd floor, 1st from left MG position. No more than 10 seconds later a 120mm HEAT exploded could be exploding in that exact room. With artillery you cant do that, imagine that you have the lower two floors and the two top ones, the enemy just dont want to let go of the third floor, you cant call in artillery because you occupy the top floor, and artillery shells comes from the top and down. A tank could send a shell directly into the room in question, even with friendly units a room or two away.

Tanks have limitations and are vulnerable to many weapons, and some of its roles have been replaced by more effective weapons, and we learned by the tankcrew themselves that a tank aint more tough that the pin holding the tracks together, litterally. A tank with a broken tracks is a very expensive lump of metal.

Yes artillery can be used as ad hoc tanks and a tank can be used as artillery, but a Porsche 911 can also be used as a moving vehicle, its just not effective at it.

Helicopters and planes are way more expensive than tanks and artillery combined, and you cant win a war without boots on the ground and metal inside the target.

I think the reason why the arrival of new tank designs have slowed down the last few decades, is that it just to expensive to start from scratch when theres not really a need for it. The gap is closing between the IFV and tanks with the arrival of the HIFV, heavier and heavier weapons are being mounted on IFV, giving them the role the tank had previously. I guess that we can agree that a IFV/HIFV would be more effective as a firesupport vehicle in build areas than a tank.

But the tank still have those unique qualities that just cant be missed on the battlefield. At least not yet.

Im thinking that dronetanks/crewless tanks will arrive “soon”. Without a crew you can shed alot of armor, lower the height of the tank and spare all of the crewsupport equipment, giving room for more ammo and bigger guns in a smaller package. The swedish S-tank was perhaps to far ahead of its time. Just a shame with the fixed gun, it kinda killed it. When the crewless tank idea have been exhausted, then i think the tank, as we know it, will leave the battlefield.

Thank you for your views, its always healthy to get new impressions and views. One is quickly to get stagnant views and oppinions.

Open desert warfare is the one place above all others that tanks would still be effective, providing they had adequate AA support of course, the combination of mobility, offensive power and range, and their durability, would all be assets in open desert warfare, though they’d still be vulnerable to attacks by faster light assault vehicles. You’re game admitting you served in Iraq, that won’t make you popular on the SF forums, but must say I’m totally opposed to any foreign interventions unless they’re invited in, Iraq Libya and Syria as prime examples, but I won’t hold it against you. Yes it’s much more rewarding having a discussion instead of a slanging match [and enjoyable], I’m always amazed at how many things other people know that I don’t, and on the odd occasion even gain a new perspective too, that never happen when the comment starts with, ‘you’re a d–khead’, so cheers.

“Open desert warfare is the one place above all others that tanks would still be effective, providing they had adequate AA support of course, the combination of mobility, offensive power and range, and their durability, would all be assets in open desert warfare, though they’d still be vulnerable to attacks by faster light assault vehicles.”

Fully agree, tanks needs space and room to be fully effective.

Yes i have taken some “comments” about my tour, but hey, done is done and lesson learned.

I enjoy having conversations with people that can construct a sentence without sounding like a modern reality show. And i never mind being educated in subjects that i lack knowledge in, so thank you.

PS: Some of my posts in this conversation have been marked as spam, weird….

Consider the effect of modern air power on tanks.

Modern airpower, if unchallenged, will eradicate armour. Thats why billions have/is being poured into mobile tactical air defence.

Its a balance, with each side only having the advantage for a short period of time. Action vs reaction. Destroy vs protect.