Turkey Deploys Special Operations Forces In Afrin Preparing For ‘New Phase’ Of Operation In Afrin

No body gave you the chance that Erdogan did And what did you do in return ? You abused it, filled the Eastern citiies of Turkey with anti tank and anti personel mines, snipers, dochkas, mortars, rpg s. . Now it is time to pay back.

Thats not started by erdogans but in 1923.

taking stolen rights back is not stealing. If so, bankrobbers should keep their money as well.

The low level negosiation down 8 hardly could change the color of toiletpaper. No wonder they went beserk.

You have jailed 15 PM`s checked in both ends many times moderate Kurds given 7(5) million votes. You have removed so many elected small town majors.

And who belive anything from turkey anymore, when You have world record in jailed journalists as well as closed or destroyed news sites.

We see it every time Erdogan, Ilderim and like that are here. When they come home in Turkish TV, we hardly recognize, what it was about.

Its not their fault, but their little dirty beards remind us of many small Hitler clones. And then we smile: Erdogan named dutch and Deutch as nazis and AKPs are just clones like Dolly.

Sorry man . You lack correct chronography of events.Hard to discuss with the people who lack correct flow of events especially when they push bits and pieces from MSM here.

Did Nicolas do all of that?

The naughty man.

btw, please show me any pic of Dushka’s held by kurdish forces within Turkey. There are none in Turkey held by PKK forces.

Nope. Nicolas is more likely a victim, not a villain.

Kato mountain ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCL3kFqkZEg Sur , Diyarbakır ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A16z2yhup1E Hakkari / çukurca ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJUNJ-OW_k8

Many many more in case of further request.

May be you should read to learn , not to reply.

you said it boy k-turds not syrians.

Get off your pedestal. Syrians is made of many different origins

No, he did not. The main problem is, that the old Syrian Region was moved north, where the kurds has lived longer then Turks as well as Arabs.

By that Syria in stead lost Jordan, Phalestine and half of israel.

You are either very stupid or hard censured by nationalisme of the worst kind. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/70303aa4641b668ea862bda2169c2a52311e2e02afde2e39cea00cf835643c0d.jpg

the only stupid here is you kid. Get educated and as I said kurds are not syrians just the scum of the earth not unlike the turks. Just because they suck Usrael c*ck does not give them any special rights in the country that accepted them in.

Kurds arent syrians then get mad when they dont sacrafice themselves for the syrian ARAB republic. Your stupid too.

True Muslims sacrifice themselves for God only. Not men. It is called: “For the sake of Allah”. And that is because men are fallible; only God is ALWAYS right.

And yet most of these true muslims depend on other people to interpret and explain gods will to rationalize their actions.

Very strange to me and inconsistent.

Unlike Christians, you mean.

Not at all. Its all quite baffling and hypocritical. Islamic guys are much more violent and intolerant though.

You are so incredibly WRONG! Perhaps it is the European inability to think rationally that has influenced you.

Huh rational thinking is a result of greek(and therefore european thinking). At least according to my history. Islam on the other hand.is nothing more than blind submission right? Obey allah and his preachers and don’t think more than that ie irrationally.

Fascinating. Quite the opposite. The faith is strong with you.

1. Again you are so incredibly wrong. God/Allah gave the Arabs the gift of clear thinking and desire for fairness. That is why they could never buy into the Christian concept of a being who was part God and part Man, yet allowed himself to be brutally murdered so THEIR sins could be forgiven and THEY could get to heaven. 2. And yet this is the very most Christian concept that appealed to the gentiles and the German barbarians. Those same “barbarians” that I call “unquestioningly loyal head-butters”. For them, a sacrifice was the ultimate test of loyalty. You know of course that those Germans could never accept Christ’s message of love and forgiveness. Loving your enemies and turning the other cheek had to be attributes that couldn’t fit their paradigm, exactly. “Love my enemies? What? Are you out of your freakin’ mind?” These men are the same men who would just as soon cleave your head into two parts as reason with you. I believe that is because not only could they not make sense conversing with another man who was as sure of his own “convictions” as they were of theirs, and the fact that Indo-Europeans are innately slow and plodding thinkers. In fact, Thomas Aquinas was called “The Ox” for precisely that reason. Read Averroes, then read Aquinas, and you will see what I mean. Yet, these attributes of Indo-Europeans have accomplished much in the world; they are “Men to match my mountains”, as Sam Walter Foss called them, in his poem “The Coming American.” 3. At the same time, this “unquestioning loyalty” has nearly caused the destruction of civilization. No one can deny that.—– KiraSeer

And the other character attribute of the Indo-Europeans that greatly offends Me—or should I say “Us”—is their arrogance. The arrogance that drives them to make unwarranted assumptions, and to believe that their religion, or their culture, or their political institutions, are superior to any other peoples. I am now trying to “reason” with you; you need to do more research into Islam, and to remember that Christianity is (no longer) in competition with Islam. Unless you want it to be.

“Reason” in quotation marks indeed. I think your just a racist using religon as a justification for your feelings of superiority.

Although we can agree on the essential craziness of christianity.

Really? It is not crazy, especially. Just illogical and contradictory. But the inconsistencies were needed at one time. But now Christians should start paying attention to Christ’s message, and not his “sacrifice.”

Who do you depend on, FV?

We all die alone. I depend on myself. God doesnt give a shit.

I think it is YOU who doesn’t give a shit. And if you don’t give a shit, why should God/Allah?

Good point. Im just as happy to stay out of the all powerful entities way. I think his attention isnt benign.

It is humans whose intentions are not always benign.

Well, he did create man. Maybe an oversight?

Please don’t tell me that you, like John Wesley, believe “man” was conceived in sin and “shapen in wickedness”. Please don’t tell me that. When I realize that some Christians, most in fact, if not all, believe that doctrine, I tell them: “Do you actually believe God created a worthless piece of crap? Because that is what you just said.” Muslims could never believe that God/Allah, in his wisdom, could create something wicked.

Some is a railroad line as well. Kobane comes from Bahne, which says railroad in german.

Company Bahne = > Kobane.

Railroad build early 20th century by Germans.

It is Ayn El Arab.

And all this time I thought it was Ayn Rand.

Well, thats a Jew I like. Nothing to do with Kurds though.

Not exactly.

Ayn El Arab station was a part of Ottoman Bagdat / Berlin railroad Project. The workers were mostly from Suruç town , which is today with in Turkish borders. When they were going to the contruction site , they were telling that they were going to the company – This is where Kobani comes from. ‘Bahne’ is not the part which the name is derived from. Company Bahne didnt exist then. If I am not mistaken , the undertakers of the Project were Krupp and Holsman.

I don’t think ANY of those other Countries should be there unless invited…It’s the RIGHT, & ONLY Syria’s RIGHT to invite foreign troops to enter Syria…It SEEMS to me that the Kurds have fought to protect Syria, AND they’re Territory, BUT! I could be wrong…What I know of this WAR is that the Kurds fought against ISIS, as well as several other RADICAL groups…Isn’t that true?

All Syrians had to fight ISIS, unfortunately the Kurds allowed the real enemy of Syria the USA on to Syrian soil.

You forget kurds were nothing and are new players and before thatwere no Syrian soldiers, few and not armed.

Only a few 10.000 refugees are from the SDF area and most of the 3 million refugges in turkey were there before Kurds were helped up as a force.

Many will say, that if ISIS had the SDF xone of today for free, they would have moved Assads away before Russians came in thats.

But You are right writing that Assads were enemy number one and USA do insist in reducing Assads, because Russians block for removing or replacing the corrupt regime of oilgrabbers from the poor from Damaskus.

And You do respect that dictators systematicly jail, torture, kill and gas should go on with that supported by Russians. And You dont see the only possible opposition by that are the violent jihadists not afraid for, and that result is made by Assads – and certainly not kurds or/and SDF.

So where is Your alternative for Kurds. All should be killed in Syria or all should be in refugee camps in turkey. Afrin is said to have/had 180.000 kurds and 120.000 refugees. Those should be moved to Turkey and other Syrians schould be there in refugee camps – millions or what ?

Whilst the Kurds fought ISIS they didn’t do so for Syria but to establish their own country, mostly in areas where the Kurds are clearly in minority or not present at all. in short, they were land grabbing under US’s protection.

Thats biased a lot. Before the war -not by them -they prefared Autonomes. And under the war they named it country because of Turkish pressure.

Their program is not about a new country but develloping their poor part by decentralized decissions by public elected members in a % mix also having a t least 1 member from the smallest minorities.

Thats normal for more develloped countries. You make decissions where the things are and not far away as in Damaskus. You also finance it by own tax. In Denmark 55% of the budget are in counties. Being there also make much better corruption control. I and out is shorter.

They se all as equal in sekularisme having the same conditions for most things and fx no sharia or assads in it. That include the women waste must stop. A country need their brains as well as their hands and feet.

We see it here again getting in Syrian refugees. We hardly can use the men for anything and the women are lower almost being kept a animals by the men.

Thats what they want and You can see it in their programmes. Its not abput country. Those which were like that are not there or out of influence or refugees in fx turkey. PKK is reduced to almost nothing as well. The figtings for making that part of Syria more clean for Turks systematicly are drowned in Turkish propaganda incl. they are murders killing each other and even genoside.

Turks and many Assads systematicly operate with ancient data as well. Turkmen too telling Kurds only are low life farmers. many kurds are/were urbanized and are poor workers becaue Syria has urbanized too.

But the logic way should have been those poor people – not only kurds – should have been helped into modern agriculture and in this also much more effective irrigation and planting systems incl. some forest here and there.

So its very much about being poor and as a contrast have no posibilities to change that fx by getting their % part of the oil money.

The oilgrabber before the uprise were Assads and friends. so ISIS did not take the oil from the Syrians but the Assads. Kurds did not take any oil from the Syrian population, so the jumping up and down in Damaskus is for SDF`s want to share all oil in all Syria.

The north and north east has been used by the Assads and their cronies as an internal colony for two generations.

Investments there were only to extract resources like oil and gas and to provide cheap staple foods for the richer part of Syria. All investments in industry were opposed unless unavoidable. There were hardly any investments in higher education, sanitation, roads etc. Poverty was way above average there.

This applied to kurdish areas, but also towards the tribal arab areas of the region.

So what they fought ISIS …. they think they fought ISIS then the land belongs to them … So stupid only a kindergarten child will think so.

If So SAA would have fought the Kurds from the start.

I believe it was al-Baghdadi (you know, THE Baghdadi) who was able to hold Syrian land for President Assad until the FSA could get there. Then made a decent withdrawal. Things have surely changed.

Very true, and rewards are not meaningful if only terrestrial. So Brother Baghdadi will surely find his die site at the end of the stretch in the rope, if he is ever apprehended, and even though victims will never grieve for him the stretch of ignorance will not effect his relevance.

His one mistake is he forgot Allah’s continuing influence on Destiny. He wanted to do what he thought Allah wanted; “The Drawn Sword of Allah”. But one thing for sure, he never turned his back on Allah, no matter what happened. I have felt a bravery in him I have felt in no other man.

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your picture looks OK, but I bet you are a right old minger in reality; therefore please F.O.

Thats what I say too. Why make full scale war in a zone with relative peace and allowed by Assads, where we probatly wont see Turks leave again after smashing new areas of Syria.

Well that is better than the Kurds with US in there …. Turkey can be more easily handled compared to US with Kurds.

Turkey has said they respect Syrian sovereignty .. how truthful they are is up in the sky.

While US has said they are there to stay forever as though they can just because they said so. US has no ground forces strong enough to do so anyway

“Turkey respect Syrian sovereignty”?? Dream on. Don’t forget, Turkey is Syria’s neighbour – the US is not. You do realise that a lot of arming and support for FSA has come from Turkey? And Turkey was trading with ISIS?

So is US invited and any business there in Syria?

Now everyone wants to fight to gain Syrian territory ….which only fools playing Xbox would believe can be done knowing that Assad has more than enough allies to kick all out. US or Turkey …. no difference.

Finally. An intelligent American.

US has no business in Syria as well of course. I never claimed they did.

What’s the date of your map? This one here is of Stielers Hand Atlas from 1891. Germans were certainly more neutral in their political observations of this area. If you look at it, most of the areas which you claim are Kurdish are called “Arabistan”, whilst “Kurdistan” is clearly further North. With regards to Syria not being a sovereign state at this time, this is a ridiculous argument – if this was an argument at all then how comes the Kurds should get a country now? They too, had no sovereign state. Did the natives in America have a sovereign state?Nowhere in the Middle East did the Kurds have it better than in Syria – certainly not in Iraq, not in Turkey and neither in Iran. Had there been no colour revolution in Syria, the less than 2 mio Kurds would have lived their lives there. Instead, Kurds from Turkey and Iraq, armed by the US, were lured to fight ISIS (this was the official reason) with the real purpose to balkanise Syria. Kurds took the bait. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4a79189cf2c05ce1ac4e5223dacb1cb7505df33a9d4440f4ad6d795816b791af.jpg

Kurds are not barbarians. They are usefull idiots and opportunists.

Now it was idiocy to believe usa, it must be difficult to say no to the most powerful army though

Most powerful army ? Most expensive and most diverse army yes. Powerful ? Certainly not as much as the other Two superpowers. Fact is their main combat capacity now is counterinsurgency and subversion. They’ve lost their robustness, and general competence somewhere after they pulled back from Vietnam.

Its only partly correct. They have replacesed things like the turkish infantery army and the Chinese Volksturm with tecnology.

You really dont get the alternatives. Who else should they “believe in” = NONE. And they are not like that. Its a something for something those SDF`s being themselves.

You are right about the opportunities. Before that, there were none apart from urbanisation or leaving the country. And with ISIS there it was being killed or being refugees in Turkey.

Assads never would come back without them in stead being armed and joines in units with others in SDF.

But that dont tell me, that things should go back and Assads again just should milk the oil- and gas cows given some candy here and there as compensation.

Its aexact the same for the rest of the country and a good reason for the Jihadists by that are given extra positive winds.

Let me remind You, that kurds did not were the uprisers and YPG were more then allowed to make resistence against ISIS( and other Jihadists). SDF was no force there at all and almost all the refugees in Turkey and Afrin already was there before SDF`s became more then forks and huntingriffels.

Salah al Din was a Kurd, and a very honorable one.

If I’m not mistaken, you’re telling me that the Americans are only there to help the Kurds defeat ISIS, that the Americans themselves created, armed and financed and continue to fund, and that’s why the Kurds deserve some recognition and thanks from the Syrian government for the heroic act to defend Syria from ISIS? Unless you are an innocent 10-year-old child, I think you will have to inform yourself well and from as many sources as you can, and then,begin to make a wise use of this brain that God kindly gives you in your future comments, my son. Because, believe me telling you that while investigating the origin, history and facts of the Kurds over time, they turned out to be the worst you can ever find, talking about cheating, betrayal, disloyalty and evil, from generation to generation to this day. Investigate it yourself, my friend and always research well before writing or talking about some well-known facts.

Another comment of zero value.

How are you, my dearest friend? Again here wasting time writing just to write without contributing anything that is still worth being read and less answered as most of the time? Although I have to admit that rarely when you are in a good mood you get to share us too very good points of view commenting here, my good friend. Have a nice day.

If Assad was unable to provide them the security, still it didn’t mean that Kurds start supporting American and Israeli conspiracies against the Syrian Land. Right from the beginning Kurds didn’t supported Assad directly, but they always wanted to use the crises for their own interests, and thus right from the beginning there was no trust in the Kurds.

They could have joined SAA but they didn’t.

I can see no use of joining one of the most ineffective armies in the world.

Kurds as militaries are learned to be in small flexible and higly movable groups having many small and partly independent leaders. They also check whats around them and have well functioning withdrawls as importance for staying alive.

They find the weak spots in the enemy lines and go through enemy lines sometimes in the Clausewitz way even they of course are tiny compared to a German army.

They also are well prepared in logistics and seldom has had no supply lines. They have had need for enough firepower, but the explanation is, that USA follow an agreement with Turks.

Whatever you say.I tried hard but could not see one point that would make me agree. You do not want to see the whole picture, just pieces and bits. Kurds are paying with their lives for their greed and stupidity. I guess in the course of the last decates they have improved their terrorising skills under the guidence and sponsorship from usa and israhell. The war goes on. The rich get richer. And you have a nerve to say that SAA is ” ineffective”? Ha ha ha!

The big picture ? I see a big area of old Ottoman provinces joined by French and Brittish for oil for Kirkuk and the new country Turkey has got more, then their population should give them.

I also have seen Turks disagree with Syria+Iraq since and also allow me to add Cyprus.

In that You fx has diveded kurds as well as interfiering in those areas by nationalism of the worst kind with no respect for anything of theirs.

The rich get richer ??? More like the corruption locals steeling from the poor by corruption asnd bajonets are the real fact.

You totally ignore in Your Muhammed fatalisme economy, where it was promised You only became rich by steeling how there was something to steal ….

And thats by making the cake bigger by being raise to learning something in schools,educations, skills and hard work being paid pr hour and not for incoimpetent family reations incl. vomen are hardly participaters and kept dtupid made for buy and sale.

Much better to make a bigger cake and share that then Your non devellopment and stealing version.

It also was not me saying USA are ineffective, but its better to be ineffective, if You already has enough to allow some waste then being poor and its a catastrophe.

Muhammed is not related to me. What you describe is insignificant. The big picture is nothing but profits for the 1% rich against the 99% of the global population. These little players: Britain, France, Ottomans, Kurds are nothing but income generating tools for the 1%.

And why would they have joined SAA? What incentive to join a force that abandoned them to Islamists and did not defend them against Al Qaeda, AAS etc etc?

Why join the army of a dictator that denied them the right to even be Syrian?

Thats my conclusion as well. Those wells did not belong to the Syrian people but Baathistas and affiliated. When SDF`s took them, they took it back from ISIS and that part of the Syrian population.

I see that as a positive step but also an important change should be those and the other oil-and gas wellsshould be shared with all Syrians.

In that i see the need in upgrading the poor parts of Syria by that income. Here I have seen a great lack of that for many years. Those areas can be upgraded and fx tha PYD programs tells that the small ineffective farms should be driven in bigger units in modern ways.That of course include better irrigation and fertilisation.

BS – most of the oil & gas in Syria was state owned, a socialist country where medical treatment and education is and has been free. Listen to Asma Al-Assad, this video is from 2010. Doesn’t sound like someone who is after wealth and power. You need to understand that most Kurds are on a very different intellectual level. Also, you need to understand that the CULTURE in Syria hasn’t been invented by the Assads. Cultural stereotypes such as women to stay at home cooking and cleaning is a cultural phenomenon, same as it has been in Europe less than 100 years ago. Society in Syria was changing and the Assads were pioneers for a more democratic, free, just and fair Syria. I think it is highly plausible that the US & Wahhabi friends felt their time was running out to destroy Syria for that very reason. Had they waited a few more years, they would have been even less successful. Syria was increasingly doing well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySlT5un6Ddg.

What are you talking about? I can not grasp your idea, and much less understand you this time, my son. Maybe I’m not as smart as I thought, or unless that the lack of the ability to be understood is on your side I fear, my dear friend.

Very strange and manipulative, You cannot see, what I am writing about.

Again, what the hell are you talking about? Explain, my son, otherwise I will have no choice but to ignore each of your comments, I am afraid my dear friend.

Im not son of yours. If Your govermnent send me money for traing, I will teach You.

Okey my beloved son. Whatever you say is fine if it makes you feel better and benefits your psyche in something.

Being cendescending is not very nice.

Some people have more ability to express themselves in English than others. He makes the effort and is, I presume, more able to express himself in English than you in Danish. So give him a break, yes?

He is quite understandable so either go into his comment or abstain yourself from the discussion. Ok?

Please, unless you and the one you defend are the same crazy commenting without senses here, I will thank you politely that you stay out of our affairs that has nothing to do with the note that we are all commenting here, my son. Because there is nothing worse than giving encouragement to a madman when not even the madman knows he is crazy. Have a nice day my dear friend.

We will all see , wont we ? Hope you will not disappear and still be around here by then with your excuses.

excuses for what ? I am enjoying the show with my pop corn.

FYI regular soldiers are trained in urban warfare. If you have to bring in “special ops” it means things could be going wrong. Special ops work ahead of regular units.

The Turks have the city surrounded, why would you need special ops? Especially since this campaign has been swift.

Sssst, do not tell.

The city is not surrounded. Reinforcements, supplies, are still coming in. The corridor to Aleppo is open, turkish forces are at most places over 20kms from the city and still have to breach the outer defensive lines

The Afrin swamp is swallowing more and more turkish forces and materiel. Lost tanks and armoured cars are over 75 now and the 100 target will be reached in the next week. SDF forces number now more than at the start of the invasion.

Someone should also tell you that corridor to Aleppo is deliberately left open, If you can not understand why , you simply do not deserve an explanation.

Where did you get your numbers of loss regarding APCs and tanks BTW ?

They have no business in Syria. Same as probably 80% of the non-Syrian Kurds have no business there either.

The Tirk troops are coming alright, riding on their donkeys! ?

Troops on donkeys argument, especially when told by a Polish guy strangely reminds me the cavalry charge at Krojanty Sept 1939..

How many hours it lasted , 2 ?

What Polish guy?! Are you hallucinating on magic mushrooms or you just not the sharpest tool in the shed!? ? I’ll give you two more tries ✌??

I feel like that too, but it is not good to denigrate drag queens, the Libertarians have come into a fortune on the Cripto space, they are supporting both drag queens and the alternative media, couldn’t you just say the wife isn’t getting her fair share, neither am I come to think of it, what the hell happened to Kira Binkley ?.

That is KiraSeer Binkley, my good friend. And KiraSeer often has personal business to attend to, in which case the whole world can wait on her. In reference to your statement on drag queens, you may be implicating crypto-Muslims or crypto-Jews.

We make demands on the things that are important to us, I am an Empiricist who’s allurement is driven by the demands others make on me, that is due to the fact that we can only have understanding of knowledge by what we sense, what works for me must work for you, so the demands I make on you is what theoretically you should love me for.

However I may not be infallible, it could be there is something else, I mean everyone is likely to make demands on you, and you’re guaranteed not to love them because you don’t feel committed.

So it’s after “commitment – demamds” that the Empiricist ties too.

Cripto space is only currency currently, there is not much known about Crypto Muslims and Crypto Jews the codes are impossible to break because some are fantasy and some are not.

People make demands on the things that are important to them, Rodney? Sounds selfish to me.

BigMike is calling you, I imagine. Well, I have to go too. Talk to you tomorrow. When I get to Morrow. Think Kingston Trio.

Is it because New Mexico is a fly over State and they crave attention,? somewhat like constant craving will always be there in New Mexico, Trump is just a rubber stamp the same old messy mate, and Putin is something of an enigma because he’s never flown over?.

Russian elections are starting I heard, I hope Putin goes really great, I of course was the Australian Judo champion in 1964 up to orange belt, I sort of cheated a bit because I never went for grading and had been doing it for ages, so I identify with Putin because of the sport not so much the cheating that we’re both good at, I will say this thought I’ve never cheated on a girl.

Well Kira Binkley I had a visitation from a Ghost yesterday, what happened was, I was posting on OPP about Robespierre’s reference to Rousseau concerning the festival of the Supreme Being and all of a sudden I was thrown on the floor, luckily from my Judo championship experience I simply applied a break-fall and was OK, my Smart Phone apparatus went blank.

Immediately I collected my senses and reported the incident on the thread of the forum, perhaps I said that it should be forgotten what it was, that I was about to say.

I better have a break from OPP break-falls at 140 k’s are not the effective, time for my practice session.

Me too. Better have a break, that is. Talk to you soon. Like tonight.

when you conquer you need Law and Order after my friend

Good point.