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On January 27, the Turkish Army and its proxies from the Free Syrian Army (FSA) captured the village of Ali Bakki, Point 740 and a training camp of the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) in Rajo district north of the city of Afrin, according to Turkey’s Anadolu Agency. The news agency added that Turkish forces killed ten fighters of the YPG during its advance.
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From its side, the YPG denied that the Turkish military and the FSA captured any positions in Rajo district. Moreover, the Kurdish Hawar News Agency (ANHA) reported that YPG fighters killed dozens of Turkish soldiers and destroyed a tank of the Turkish Army during the clashes in Ali Bakki.
Kurdish sources reported that Turkish Air Force (TAF) warplanes conducted a new wave of airstrikes against the YPG positions in the districts of Rajo and Bulbul north of Afrin. So far, 50 civilians have been killed and 137 others have been injured in the TAF bombardment on the Afrin area according ANHA.
The Turkish Army claims that its forces have killed over 390 fighters of the YPG and the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in the Afrin area since the beginning of Operation Olive Branch on January 20. However, the numbers released by the YPG press suggests that the Kurdish forces have lost less than 50 fighters so far.
The YPG have denied losing any ground since the beginning of this offensive …
That’s their US Military training in action :)
The gains by Turkey are nowhere near where they show them to be seems both sides employ the same tactic. The best way to win ground war with no air support is by drawing your opponent into position that can’t be defended and pick away at them.
Rather like the Houthis do :)
They Houthis will soon announce another new missile that will be a game changer. Why does everyone call these foreign invasions civil wars , since may of the Hadi forces are former ISIS members and foreign mercenaries in Syria all of them are foreign colonists.
I agree with you but sadly, when we think about the mass of the Western population, ‘There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see’.
Only when the results of the deliberate mass exodus from war torn lands affects them personally will they scream ‘Why’.
I was wondering about the source of this map. Correct that NW Afrin is good defensive terrain.
There is ones done by Lucio cienfuegos which are fairly good more accurate in description these are Turkish maps see them there on those sites.
And counterattack at night or when vision is impaired.
Or a reaction to turkish propaganda lies.
Dutch, surely you cannot believe that Turkey, a fellow NATO member with Holland would tell lies ? Shame on you. :)
I do not want to believe it but facts prove me wrong.
Erdogan is a shitty liar and his media are too.
i m from turkey i always vote for main opposition party in turkey. and i support this operation. it is not media. it is TSK who declared having killed 450 kurdish terrorist so far. and we lost 4 turkish soldier and 16 soldier from free asyrian army. TSK (Turkish Armed Forces) never lie! but the terrorist organization lies! thery always claim that they donty have much casualty since the beginning of the war :D :D haha and another propaganda is that they claim that there are civilian casualties. NO WAY! you can undderstand it just by interpreting we didnot attack the city center. we dont hit cvilian targets. thy dont have any single video to prove that.
But Youdont rapport FSA`s as if they were just spendable proxies.
i dont feel so much sorry about fsa’s losses actually. we re just using them.
The UK Zio Media also tells falsehoods and the Truth is totally ignored if does not accord with the Zio narrative as Truth is inviolate.
To be fair it really still unclear which side is the winning side this early. YPG keep reporting Turkish forces and vice versa. Though so i read a report that the YPG captured 2 Syrian officers to be traded with safe passage for their heavy equipment to Afrin. Might indicated it’s current predicament.
Assad is secretly supporting the Kurds against Erdogan.
First as you said he let reinforcemnts pass through his territory from Manbij to Afrin.
Secondly, he ordered hospitals in Aleppo to treat injured Kurdish fighters as priority cases.
“Secretly”? Syrian Defense Minister said Ottoman aggression on Syrian lands will be met and beaten back. How is that “secret”?
These are phony allegations and dog barkings.
The SAA depends on the Russian command solely.
Hence, they are unable to directly confront the Turks. Indirectly however, since the Turks are the real landgrabbers and not the Kurds (the latter just want autonomy), Assad wants the Kurds to win in Afrin.
Actually, I think he prefers a draw. If SDF winst, he has no real hold on SDF anymore. In a draw, he can make demands as payment for helping.
Transfer of unit with small arms isn’t impossible. Heavy weaponry don’t. I’d say it already it’s still very unclear to decide what really is going on.
How come it is impossible for heavy weaponry passing from Manbij to Trll Rifaal over a SAA held corridor?
If Assad is smart, he even throws in some of his own weapons, just to put pressure on Turkey. Cheapest way possible for him to inflict losses on all parties there.
Assads are nothing against the Turks and will be wiped out at once.
true. I just tend to lean towards the combatant with air capabilities. I’m sure both sides are giving exaggerated reports.
Have they really had a strong fight with ISIS or Daesh ?
Yes, they behave more like northamericans now.
Radical Islamist Turkey is dreaming of resurrecting the imperialist Ottoman Empire. Danger to the world and Europe again.
Want to will to. They rather very dangerous. Reminds me of USA empire.
There are empires and empires. Study history. The 1 million Armenian genocide By the Muslim Turks was a clear example. They killed, tortured, deported people to Syria by the 100s of thousands. i am Hungarian born, the Muslim Turks were in Hungary for 150 years starting in the 16th century and half of the before-flourishing country became desert after they left, killing half of the population. What you are saying is moral equivalency. 10% is the same as 90%. Wholeheartedly disagree with you, although I agree that the US also has imperialistic aspirations, but not on the same scale and not with the same intensity and intent.
Suuure. And they are killing by the millions if not billions.
The US says Russia under Putin wants to reconstitute the old Soviet Union, or the Russian Empire. Now the Turks are trying to resurrect the Ottoman Empire. Turkey and surrounding countries have fought against Kurdish separatists for decades. Suddenly everyone has imperialist aims like the Americans? Oh that’s right because American military prime concern is no longer fighting terrorism but “state competition” as per Mad Dog Mattis, so it is in their interest to brand everyone else as having “imperialist aims”. Up next China will be labeled as dreaming of an old-new Chinese Empire when the time is right.
Native americans disagree with you :D
I not believe you…where have you found one???
Millions were ethnically cleansed through genocide on purpose , where do you live in Europe? Europeans whom were largely responsible in this odious time in history the Spanish,Dutch were just as culpable as other nations.
stop ….take a deep breath and relax. Read again and ask yourself , why i got a like from El Diablo .
I know it’s sarcasm , but it’s poor taste.
If y say so
Let us be honest. There are no nations that ever had positions of power that have no (present ofr historical) blood on their hands, no exceptions at all, including my own country.
Let us be realistic here. US is no worse than any other and even a bit better in some ways as far as f.i. accountability goes.
US has the least accountability just as France and the UK, the members of the security council are all exempt. Just a sad fact in all 109 articles of the UN Charter.
…and do not forget the Portuguese who started the African slave trade in the mid 1400s when they captured a dozen or so blacks in modern Mauritania in 1441 and paraded them on the streets of Lisbon. This happened before the New World has even been discovered and way before the establishment of the USA. Now the left-liberals rewrite history blaming almost exclusively the US for slavery and not a peep about Portugal, Holland, Belgium, the UK , Spain and France. It is a disgrace.
1441: Start of European slave trading in Africa. The Portuguese captains Antão Gonçalves and Nuno Tristão capture 12 Africans in Cabo Branco (modern Mauritania) and take them to Portugal as slaves.
Slavery timeline: http://www.brycchancarey.com/slavery/chrono2.htm
The Slave trade is old and had been ongoing even during the days of Rome.
So, what are you saying? Are you that dense to come back with a response for my post? Are you sanctioning the slave trade of the old European countries for centuries starting in the 15th century? I love when people, like you, start bringing up moral equivalency. Since the Romans were doing it, so what the hell, we really can not say much against the slave trade by the old European powers. You must be biased as a left-liberal (possibly European or EU sympathizer) who can not admit past sins by the current EU countries who have absolutely not apologized for the past.
You misunderstand as no one can blame one or a select group , then you would have to blame them all, the problem with that none of them are around today.
You can take a moral accusatory position on it in present situations but not the past because you can only be morally indignant about it.
None of us can accept any blame about the past unless you were alive back then you can accept the blame.Remember this is what is meant by the sins of the father , you can’t be blamed for the actions of another or the past.
Why don’t take your SJW nonsense with your strawman arguments, and stop being a troll.
Really? So what about the Nazis? Germans still feel culpable what happened and nobody lives from that generation. SJW? A troll? What about you? You are insane. SJWs are my enemies but it does not mean that I can not view past injustices in the right way. Currently many people and nations blame the USA alone for slavery in a very vocal and violent manner without mentioning a word about who were the real slave traders and who started it in Europe in the past. That is my angle and you totally misunderstood it.
You keep bringing up straw man arguments , Nazi’s blamed for the Death of 272,000 Jews according to accurate records of the Germans and Red Cross. Logistically speaking the alleged cremation of that many bodies would take from 42-75 years to cremate, so technically they would still be cremating them.Forensic Pathologists could not find any trace of gas or poisoning among the dead, that was one of many who performed 1000 autopsies alone. The claims on Germany today say there were 7 million even though less than 3 million Jews lived in all of Europe.
Most that ended up dead were considered non European but what is called a gypsy, they were travelling migrant workers from country generally there has been always element that follows all refugees.We forget that Victors write the history and only tell their version of the story.
The argument about the slave trade and blaming it on america is funny as they now blame Canada, which saw more runaway slaves coming than those that were brought in. Canada wasn’t a nation until long after the slave trade was abolished in 1792 in Colonial Canada and 1815 throughout the British empire that was all forms.
Most people don’t know that Jews were largest purveyors of Slaves in the world companies all over the world operating in the slave trade, Rothschildes were big in this industry as banking wasn’t where they made their real fortune back then.
Funny thing how the US bought land in Africa a country called Liberia and those that went there started the slave trade there and were even cannibals, which they still practice all that today. Besides the Mahgrebs Arabs of the west started raiding Europe taking over 1.7 million slaves in the 1800’s which prompted Europe to invade the region called the Barbary coast.
See who do you blame because at the time they were all doing this and none of them want to accept it, why Libya has the open slave market , because of US intervention in the region.
That is what I thought. You are mentally deficient more than one way based on your arguments. And there is no cure for that type of mental disease. I just had one sentence about the Nazis and you have a divergent dissertation. I can not argue with people like you, it is a waste of my time. However, I recommend to you Glenn Beck’s book, titled “Arguing with idiots”. LOL
“When a liberal can not argue based on facts, s/he changes the terms of the discussion” (Savage).
Glenn Beck is an idiot not sure if he is even on any side of the argument, he like you try to conflate and end up defending the arguments of liberals , so really no surprise there.
The only idiots are people like you who understand less and pretend to know even more, empty diatribes from you are rather boring me, you can continue to be uneducated on matters.
Here is to rebuke your lie No. 1:
“The pre-World War II Jewish population of Europe is estimated to have been close to 9 million”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Europe
Where is your proof for the 3 million?
The Jewish registries from 1938 -1948 , notice no reference to them and this again is wikipedia, Russia is Asia not really Europe.
Get your Geography 101 lessons. Half of Russia to the Ural is Europe. And you don’t like Wikipedia so what they say is not true. I see. You still did not provide the link showing the 3 million Jews living in Europe.
The registries you can look at since it’s open source, your links are unreliable like wikipedia , founder is a the King of Porn not only literally but factually. If you can’t find any of this information yourself then there is no way for you to learn anything. Such is the pity.
If it is open source send me the link. You can not do it, because it does not exists. Then you say if I can not find it then put the blame on me that I can not learn anything. Very clever you may think but it is very transparent. Provide the link yourself if it is so easy to prove that you are not a liar, of which I am convinced you are.
Haven’t been able to provide links on disqus since badly bruising egos Jihadi Julian’s and disqus Admin , with links.
Terra Cotta Woolliar, you are babbling instead of providing the link to prove that you are not a liar. You served your new moniker. End of discussion.
Lie No.2:
“You keep bringing up straw man arguments , Nazi’s blamed for the Death of 272,000 Jews according to accurate records of the Germans and Red Cross. Logistically speaking the alleged cremation of that many bodies would take from 42-75 years to cremate, so technically they would still be cremating them.Forensic Pathologists could not find any trace of gas or poisoning among the dead, that was one of many who performed 1000 autopsies alone. The claims on Germany today say there were 7 million even though less than 3 million Jews lived in all of Europe.”
Provide a link to prove any of this stuff.
You can go and find out this yourself as the last is estimates of Claims to date against Germany of which it pays annually. Report on the 1000 autopsies was available at Nuremberg and conducted by a US military doctor,but was never used as evidence, there has since been no evidence recorded in the archives at Nuremberg. These are how facts are always dismissed by those who have never bothered to look for them.
You keep parroting the same talking point of yours without providing the link. Your answer is no proof. Provide the link rather than telling me to find it. The burden of proving it is on you. If you can not provide the link, it does not pass the smell test of lies.
If you have that attitude then you are already lost, as you need to find these answers yourself self, discovery would help you to understand, this world is not black and white it is a lot more than murky grey.
Terra Cotta Woolliar, send me the link – your bullsh1t is laughable.
You are far out in most of it.
Seems as if you really like being a Zio troll , you always were pathetic.
Much is 100% wrong ant the rest is totally twisted.
Could really care what you say zio-troll go back to Hasbara wonderland.
During time, there has been slavery almost all over the world as longs as You can look back.
Parts of the feudalism incl. the ME versions are close to slavery for most of the people living in it.
Yes, we have more or less appologized, but it is very hard to understand people of today should excuse, what happend in 1918 or 500 years ago, the greeks as well as the romans.
The arab world and the rest having slaves should do the same.
And not all “white” americans should. Many many of those came to America – North and South – having to leave beacuse of persecutions for several matters.
My ancisters here in Denmark has until few years ago been in the absolutley buttom being farmers hands often having no jobs and starved as well.
Did we take slaves ??? More like we were slaves ourselves even Denmark used and bought asnd sold slaves. We were not Denmark i those matters at all.
4 siblings of my Grandfather went to USA and Argentina because they hardly had food and clothe. Actually there was a civile war in USA, where slavery was an important issue. Should people from the North State excuse slavery. So many of them died fighting against it.
Some might remeber, that USA actually made Liberia as well.
You are right on many points Jens, thank you for your answer.
Oh I’m sure there are one or two native Americans left in America! Genocide means “a lot” and not “all.”
Genocide of Humanity is prime directive of Masonic/Globalism since 1700s Masonic Military Industrial Complex arose from this. US – creative destruction,full sphere dominance are labels of the agenda.
Leaders of Russia,China,Iran,Iraq,Syria, know this Prime directive. Although alternative media say Greater Israel is the reason for Mid east chaos. In truth…the Jews/Israel get genocide as much as the Muslims or Old Europe, Eurasia since Mongols.
Israel is enjoying the cover of US,UN and Globalist Masonic Banking.
It’s probable They will buy it again in the future as Genocide will revisit them again. Their magical YHWY/Moshiach will not appear at 11:59 to save them.
The 1% kill off the rest ….while making profits. Until the 99% turn on them.
the US also has imperialistic aspirations, but not on the same scale and not with the same intensity and intent. How can you say it? No empire has achieved as much death and destruction in history as the usa, if you can call it “achievement “.
Where in the hell did you get the word “achievement”? I did not use the word. This is how you with reading problem argue. You say I said what I did not say. End of story.
Thats not correct at all. A good example could be russians at their own population from the late days of tthe zars and to the death of Stalin.
Chinese and japanese in the same periodes.
It seems that you are not stupid, just hard core delusional. If you could shift your attitude and perspective it will open up your mind. Trust me, it does not hurt.
you dont have any fucking idea what is going on idiot. I am Atheist Turkish and we have been fighting with kurdish terrorists more than a decades. this is a big operation to wipe them out. I support this and i never vote for erdogan. fuck ottoman empire we dream of a more comfortable turkey with no terrorists in its territory
The idiot is you yourself because you are so blind that you can not see what is happening. It is convenient who is against Turkey called terrorist, it is fashionable in these days. Erdogan is a dictator, after the coup he arrested and imprisoned large number of people and killed many. As a result he solidified his grip on power, he is changing Turkey from a secular state after Ataturk to an Islamist state. Anything Islamist, I do not trust. It is a shame what he is doing to Turkey, including the oppression of the Kurds. And one more thing: do you know what happened to the million Armenians? Many of you Turks say one thing and do another, in other word, lie.
i agree with you except kurdish and armenian issue. so dont throw your shit at me. I always vote for Ataturk’s party CHP . And %49 of people are against erdogan and even erdogan supporters doesnt want a country with sharia-rule. It is not easy to remove Ataturk’s legacy in my country. Even that fucking dictator cant do it. lets move to kurdish issue. Ataturk was the ffirst man who hit Dersim city in Turkey to wipe outt kurdish rebellions who want to create an independent state in our lands . For 35 years kurdish terrorists (Pkk) committed hundreds of attacks. it is a terorist organization according to usa,turkey and eu countries. and ypg is the part of pkk in syria. so you can understand why we are targeting those terrorists. I ve lost my aunt in 2016 Bus Station bombings in Ankara Turkey. so you cannot understand our pain against the kurdish terrorism. if you support them, you support terrorists. that s a fact. and also there re 13 millions of kurdish people in turkey and majority of them are against that kurdish terrorism. isis is almost finished yet another terrrorist group has emerged. so it s a threat to that region
Anybody who loses a family member due to terrorism is very sad. I am sorry for your loss. In any case, all I have to say that it takes two to tango. Violence begets violence and it is up to both parties to solve the problem. Turkey as a big power could be the power broker showing that they mean business but that is not the case. If that is true that the majority of the Kurds are against Kurdish terrorism, then Erdogan should ally himself with this majority and solve the crisis. I do not think Erdogan really wants to solve this problem until all Kurds in Turkey (and beyond) are killed.
there is no fucking single way that erdogan can kill kurds in turkey. that cannot be accepted by people never and ever. we re not racist like nazis. but we will do everything to kill symphatizers of pkk, ypg . i have kurdish friends they are against seperation. also many other kurds vote for erdogan which i actually hate. cant you fucking understand why they vote for him??? coz they want to bring an end to terrorists. and you cannot sit and talk peace with a terrorist organization. can wesstern countries sit and talk peace with isis leader?
there is no fucking single way that erdogan can kill kurds in turkey. that cannot be accepted by people never and ever. we re not racist like nazis. but we will do everything to kill symphatizers of pkk, ypg . i have kurdish friends they are against seperation. also many other kurds vote for erdogan which i actually hate. cant you fucking understand why they vote for him??? coz they want to bring an end to terrorists. and you cannot sit and talk peace with a terrorist organization. can wesstern countries sit and talk peace with isis leader?
one more thing, you are constantly putting kurds and terrorists together and call them all ‘kurds’ they are not the same. there are kurds and there are kurdish terrorists. that is a distinction
Seemes like You have fortgotten, what has been going on the last 14 years.
Those moderates has 14 PM`s in jail.How can that be accepted by You. I dont get Your 40% at all.
the reason why i said %49 is becoz of the last elections. erdogan won with a %51 of votes
Just because you support Assad and adopt a pro-Russian stance regarding the Syrian Civil War, doesn’t mean you have the right to spread Turkish fake news.
The above reports are completely fake, see here:
syriancivilwarmap.com
Yes we’re aware about YPG reports of Turkish forces losses. Only time will tell if the Kurds capable to fully resist the Turks. We’ve seen rapid retreat of YPG in Iraq and it’s possible for this to repeat.
YPG in Iraq? What drugs are u using? Also what all people failed to notice is that after Kirkuk was taken they made a deal with BP (British Petrol owned by Britain). Ring any bells?
YPG,SDF,PKK etc etc. But yes they’re not paying the Kurds anymore since it’s no longer in their control.
Before the Western interventions began, the Intermediate Region of the Balkan peninsula and the Middle East lived in peace. This was shattered by the rise of Nationalism and Islamism inside the Ottoman Empire.
No, strife and violence were common just like europa back then. After illegally invading Iraq and Libya subsequently causing chaos and instability the west do not have any credibility to do any kinds of intervention in the Middle East period.
Kirkuk was an inside-job by PUK and the PMU.
Simple as that. No Peshmerga troops were used, they withdrew following PUK’s orders.
YPG is present only in Syria. And there are no political Kurdish parties in Syria, only US military bases and commands.
Erdogan has committed suicide and fell into a big trap regarding Rozhava and Afrin. He will be painfully defeated despite all the Russian backing which is however fake to say the least and very very deceiving.
Too much fast. I would a slow and hig-number casualties war by both the sides. Them all must be weakened.
Yes, in this case the slow grind is great. :)
Kurds don’t need to “win”. They just need to make it too expensive for the Ottoman aggression to continue. Just as it happened to US in Vietnam and USSR in Afghanistan.
Turkey: we expect to see the corpses of American and israeli sponsored Kurds stacked up like cordwood on the field of battle. Get to it
You really need to use twitter more often; its filled with corpses. I can give some recommendations if you want.
yeah dude i know some twitter accounts which explicitly share dead corpses :D :D their head is blown up haha you mignt nnot feel good after seeing them. you have to have balls to look at the pics. btw, i m used to that. and im really willing to seee more and more dead terorist bodies :D that s fucking relieving
You can’t win a modern war without air power…
With that being said, I give the kurds a 1 in a thousand chance…
my thoughts exactly.
Apparently you can’t win one with air power as the US has so eloquently proven, you can’t call Libya a win nor Afghanistan or Iraq, they still needed boots on the ground and those forces are no longer in Iraq siding with the US. Seems all it can do is maintain a short term holding offensive and limited defensive engagement.
touche.
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You’re generous. I give them none.
Turkey wants to connect rebel held Idlib with rebel held North Aleppo.
The Kurd in the North East Syria should attack west into Turkish and terrorist held Northern Syria and advance toward Afrin.
Wikipedia says this… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/50e7d482ae6c2fb9e39a3c6d445d0d95f6ed5e26e6c6c1ca391d94f567a1b8c3.png
Thats outdated irrelevent facts. I also only say, which at that time posseded those towns, not which live in them.
At this stage, given their history in this war to date. I don’t think that the Turks can be trusted to turn the areas that they occupy over to the Syrian government. My assumption is that they’l try to set up some type of Turkish proxy government in these areas. So it’s looking like another Jew world order uniform change exercise. Where the US backed SDF is replaced with the Turkish backed FSA, which has been a regime change proxy force from the beginning.
Time will tell whether the Turks can be negotiated with more successfully than the other regime change backers. Or whether force will have to be resorted to to remove them from Syrian land.
Turks and US both have views as to Afrin region Kurds value . https://ahtribune.com/world/north-africa-south-west-asia/1023-drug-trade.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-tehran-drug-addiction-opium-heroin-afghanistan-taliban-a7809046.html
Much of the Syrian and Iraqi civil conflicts were simply regional crime being exploited by Empire.
Dopeistan (Afghanistan )… is becoming to costly for Empire to bank all on as Opium goes. Exploiting the Iraqi Kurds and Syrian Kurds to become new Opium mules gives Empire closer reach to Europe ,while continuing to undermine Iran.
US V 22 Ospreys flying Kurd Opium around…..Air America 3.0
No wonder Erdogan is going apeshit : )
The two invaders, USA and Turkey, must leave Syria. Both of them they are just trying to protect their terrorists in Syria.
… I am surprised that it takes that long for the turkish army!?
What is funny on this map is that it shows a lot more area taken by TSK and TFSA then the map in SF of the 28th which is accompanied by the claim the invaders are making progress.
So either the map of the 27th is a lie or the advance of the invaders is in fact a large retreat.
Imo both maps are lies.
Kurds should remember Turkey wouldn’t be attacking them if they were part of the SAA. Instead of traitors trying to phuck their own country.