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Turkish-backed Forces’ Defense Collapses In Western Aleppo Even Further (Map Update)

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Turkish-backed Forces' Defense Collapses In Western Aleppo Even Further (Map Update)

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The defense of Turkish-backed forces in western Aleppo collapsed even furrher. During the past few days Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (formerly the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda) and other ‘moderate groups’ lost to the Syrian Army over 180km2, and it seems that they are not going to stop on this.

On February 17, units of the Syrian Army liberated the villages of Anjarah, Hawr and Qasemiyah and entered the village of Basratun, where clashes erupted. Militants are retreating so fast that it may appear that pro-government forces will reach the town of Daraat Izza in the nearest future. Such a development will mark the collapse of the entire defense of Greater Idlib armed groups in this part of Syria.

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Lupus

Holy crap, each chunk of red added in a blink of an eye. Makes me so happy!!

FlorianGeyer

The description “The defense of Turkish-backed forces——” in the article is disingenuous in my opinion.

The reality is ‘The defense of Turkish-backed ‘Al-Nusra TERRORIST forces——–‘, I think.

Lupus

Isis, al Nusra, FSA, TIP, al Dinki, Jayish al Islam, HTS, etc etc etc. All the same bunch, different names.

FlorianGeyer

An ‘Alphabet’ Terror Organisation with names to suit all US organised conflicts.

Ashok Varma

Turkey should be ashamed of sponsoring terrorism. India called in the Turkish ambassador and read him the riot act for collaborating with the other terror sponsor Pakistan. Congratulations to the Syrian government for liberating its territory.

occupybacon

I think Erdogan is just parading in Idlib then leave, probably he had already dealt with Putin before Syrian advance.

Ashok Varma

Let’s hope so, Syrian people look genuinely happy to get rid of the terrorists and Turkey should just stop this needless terrorism. Assad is no angel, but the best hope for Syria and good decent man.

Hatersgonnahate

I agree with you that the war must end and a new vote must be held or some places should be granted autonomy.

FlorianGeyer

The current joy being expressed by all faiths in Aleppo has not been reported by the BBC as yet.

Perhaps the new ‘Greta Thunburg’ BBC propaganda series is more important :)

Liberal guy

Ya u r so right

Hatersgonnahate

Meanwhile, Time is running out for the regime. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/daf1b7b2f803ea21185f550a88dad1ed83ca68a9ee6f21ac5bfe19461ffc670c.jpg

King Cliff

The Syrian military must push further into iblid till they reach the Turkey border.. No exception and cease fire since they always break thr cease fire in hope they could overcome the Syrian military defense.

CHAOS

What about the Sochi agreement between Russia and Turki ?

Ashok Varma

Agreements these days are mere suggestions. Look at US record with breaking every agreement.

Karen Bartlett

The US has never kept a treaty or agreement in its life. Every single treaty the US gov’t ever made with American Indians they abrogated, that is, broke. Except for with the Iroquois (New York state is their traditional land) who were used to having their own organized government and was able to use the courts to enforce theirs for the most part.

Marcus Porcius Cato

The Turks failed to carry out their side of the agreement, so the SAA advances.

Karen Bartlett

Turkey already broke that. The agreement was, I believe, that Turkey was supposed to separate HTS from the “moderate rebels” which Turkey did not do.

FlorianGeyer

Correct.

FlorianGeyer

Al Nusra and other UN designated terror gangs were excluded from the Sochi agreement.

It is obvious to all that the ‘moderate head choppers’ are fighting along side Al Nusra.

Ashok Varma

Anymore ceasefires will harm Russia too as it will give US a chance to build a terrorist coalition against Russians.

Z.P.

Pathetic India will jump in and resolve that problem (when they stop sucking off US -that is)

CHAOS

I think you know that Assad cannot act without Putin, either Russia will overthrow Assad or they will continue to do so.

Ashok Varma

Assad is not going anywhere. He is very popular in Syria and there is no alternative.

CHAOS

Anything can happen, that’s my opinion.

Karen Bartlett

Russia isn’t there to overthrow Pres. Assad. You’ve got Russia confused with the US.

FlorianGeyer

Very true.

The SAA and a ALL their stalwart allies in 2015 could easily have lost to the US Empire of Terror if Russia had not been invited to help by President Assad. A president I might add , who has stood firm with his people through great adversity.

Russia could not have achieved so much against US organised terror without the valiant SAA and their allies.

Ergo, the exceptional courage of all the SAA allies and the courage of the loyal Syrian civilians themselves,sid by side with the ageless and renown courage of the Russians, has been an alliance that is the first to halt US/UK and Israeli domination in the Middle East this century.

FlorianGeyer

Your banal comment makes no sense at all. Are you a member of the ‘Jacob Wohls Nose’ inbred family of trolls?

CHAOS

It makes perfect sense to me because Russia doesn’t do it because it loves Syria. Of course he has a vested interest. Every country has a vested interest,unfortunately it needs to be realistic.

FlorianGeyer

Russia IS realistic. President Putin’s wise leadership has proved this.

CHAOS

Only time will tell. I hope I’m wrong.

Z.P.

There is 40 000 soldiers NATO military exercise (turned against Russia) starting at the moment in Europe. There are on top of that another 7.500 Americans in Norway for Nordic military exercise (to make extra pressure from north).

SEND YOUR SOLDIERS HOME RUSSIA ! Russia needs them. The people in Donbass who suffered so much already, needs them! Do not waste precious lives of your pilots and soldiers and your limited resources for ungrateful Arabs in Syria when they are needed back in protection of Russia and Russians!

geopolitica

hahahaha you have 6 years old? russian in syria are very few and time they spend their they get field experience and the tartous and hmeimim base is vital for russia to put pressure on OTAN russia is not weakest pecause 1000 or 2000 soldier are in syria and this kind of millitary exercise is done every year

Z.P.

It is not only 1000 or 2000 soldiers since they have control of most of the Turk-Syrian border (+ with Idlib posts and presence in most of the Assad Syria) And those military police troops are not for “field experience” but for fulfilling agreements. As for air force I am sure that they had more “experience” than any other air-force except US

Lonesome Cowboy Burt

Dude, you are embarrassing yourself already. Stop with the hatred of Syria and Syria’s military.

Would you have said the same for when the Armenians were being genocided and Russia was present, stronger then and could have turned the tide against the Ottoman/Turks?

You have a right to your opinion, but why the unnecessary hate or bigotry??

Z.P.

And where is that “bigotry” and “hate” do tell? Why would Russians prefer Syrians to their own people?! Already 10 000 is dead in Donbass! So why do you label me as “bigot” ? Are you you propagandist or troll? Russia has only problems out of Syria and obligation to give Assad weapons in exchange for being ignored

You can call me Al

Oh do shut up, you ponse.

Ashok Varma

Very precise response, commendable.

ian

Agree but it is spelt with a c.

Ashok Varma

A for effort though.

Z.P.

What is it UK – NATO twat? Did something hurt your Western feelings? Being from terrorist parasitic country like UK creates certain sensibility I suppose.

Z.P.

Armenians had 2nd Soros color revolution and their leader would like to turn on the West (but unfortunately for them, they are too much dependent on Russia and Russian weapons) Russia doesn’t really care what they will choose…. Without Russian protection Azerbaijan and Turkey would walk over Armenia in one day… So it is up to Armenians to decide. Russia has helped Bulgaria against Turks lot in the past and today Bulgaria doesn’t stop stubbing Russia in the back. All these good for nothing back stabbing countries want Russian help but in exchange for betrayal and ingratitude.

CHAOS

ahaha mother russia ha engracado !

Z.P.

Is that reversed SATANIC cross? Are you Satanist human filth?

CHAOS

Stop right there. Don’t be prejudiced.

Z.P.

Do not even talk to me, let alone up vote me you filth! I am an Orthodox Christian you low life! You can find many “friends”,liars here.. Go away !

CHAOS

Babe, Please don’t get mad at me.Im crying now :(

Z.P.

FALSE ACCOUNT ! I am 100% sure that you are that satanic Islamic Shia fundamentalist called “ZIONISM=evil”

Ronald

Chaos is just another troll, 8 comments, 4 votes. Why take him seriously. Relax, enjoy Syria’s victory.

Ashok Varma

But very un-Orthodox posts.

Z.P.

And what would you know about that?

Ashok Varma

Enlighten me sire.

Z.P.

Why would I? You are the one who wanted to teach me about my religion, not opposite. Was I talking about “outside” toilets or anything else about India? I wasn’t . Since I never was in India I don’t have need to lecture you on things you know much better.

Ricky Miller

Get real. Again you just spout out nonsense. The Russian Federation has an Army of more than 400,000 active duty. That’s not counting the Naval Infantry, or the Border Guards, more than 250,000 active duty. The small operation in Syria is not a drain on Russia’s ability to defend against NATO formations near her borders. Russia’s Syria operation costs Russia the equivalent of U.S. $2.8 million a day and includes the manpower total of less than two brigades. Russia has more than 110 Su-34’s, and five are in Syria. Russia has 90 Su-35’s and four are in Syria. And so on. These numbers are preventing the U.S. regime change operation from including no fly zones and bombing the Syrian government as a part of their effort there. Russia’s small but important Syrian Expeditionary Force does not compromise her home defense in any way but a marginal statistic, has led to beneficial combat experience and would not give Russia anything at home to punch into NATO formations except that same marginal statistical reinforcement. You continue to enjoy factual deficits in your commenting.

Ashok Varma

Is this chap for real? a bot maybe.

Ricky Miller

Not sure. He seems well intentioned but confused a lot. A Walter Mitty commentator. This post is just hilarious. Russia’s defenses aligned near these NATO exercises are formidable and to suggest otherwise is either due to hysteria, a closeted hatred of the Syrian government who would be open to American predation without Russia’s presence, or maybe just a lack of knowledge.

Z.P.

So while you are informed expert in numbers how come you didn’t get any NATO numbers? Russian army is inferior to NATO in numbers and specially now with these exercises that are about 50 000 soldiers on top of their usual numbers. I don’t know how many airplanes they have and I don’t think they let you know either. The same goes for expenses

Marcus Porcius Cato

Dude, NATO troops are worthless, including the Americans. They’re nothing but cannon fodder.

Z.P.

Can you count? Tell me total number NATO population please?

Marcus Porcius Cato

I’m not your demographic dictionary. Why do you stupidly think numbers are all that matter in a war? First off, if NATO attacks Russia, Europe will cease to exist because the Russians will nuke it. So, the NATO troops are cannon fodder. Secondly, even if NATO troops have any meaningful conventional battles against the Russians, they will lose because they are horrible soldiers. They suck. They’re soft and don’t have anything they feel is worth fighting for vis-a-vis the Russians. As for the Americans, they can’t even subdue Afghanistan. So don’t make me laugh at your naivete.

Z.P.

Still no answer? OK I’ll try ! EU 500 million +US 300 – 400 million It is just under the billion… Lets say 800 million against 145 million Russians. Russian economic & financial resources, industrial base are tiny comparing to US+NATO. And no your logic is not accurate in type of conflict either. It doesn’t have to move into nuclear conflict but it can turn into huge proxy war in Ukraine with NATO pumping special-ops forces weapons and money to bleed Russia dry. In the case of the proxy war in Ukraine WHOM is Russia suppose to “nuke” and why? NOBODY! Georgia? The same. There are many scenarios and many doesn’t have to go nuclear

Ricky Miller

None of those scenarios are altered in a serious way by hysterically bringing home a small combat force in Syria because of NATO exercises involving way fewer personnel than would be required to invade the Russian Federation. If NATO were to muster up the two million men or so and move them toward Russia’s borders than Russia would no doubt launch a major nuclear strike on the United States and Western Europe. It’s not going to happen. Russia’s force in Syria can carry on their assigned tasks without being troubled by your insane musings or by NATO exercises in Europe which are being monitored and defended by thousands of Russian soldiers, sailors and airmen back at home. Chicken Little, the sky above Russia isn’t falling. Cry wolf about something else.

Marcus Porcius Cato

This guy is an extra special brand of zio-troll.

Z.P.

Porco tu sei una testa di cazzo

Ricky Miller

I think he roots for the right side but is also in a sort of anxiety disordered state most of the time. His mind has probably been damaged due to MSM exposure during the formative years; you know, everything is a crisis. Panic now. Blow any serious issue out of proportion, that sort of thing. He does seem to hate President Assad so his call to bring Russian forces home is probably more about abandoning Syria than it is about protecting Russia.

Z.P.

But of course! In your small universe everything rotates around Assad ! How could you possibly not label me as anti-Assad for having audacity to ask Russia to defend Russian interests only? Why would Russia have Russian interests at heart?! Why would Russia expose their badly protected soldiers to direct danger of Syrian -Turk war on Syrian-Turk border? Who will protect them there when totally outnumbered and surrounded?

But that is not problem for you because you WANT WAR BETWEEN RUSSIA AND TURKEY! That is exactly what are you hopping for…that Russian soldiers get killed and that Russia destroys Turkey!

Ricky Miller

No, I support Russia’s policy goals in Syria. To defeat American led regime change that violates the United Nations Charter and to eliminate the terrorist gangs that America used as a weapon to achieve that regime change, in an effort that journalist Max Blumenthal called “The management of savagery.” Syria is actually the front line in the proxy war you are so alarmed about and success against the American project there is a specific success against American led hybrid war everywhere.

Z.P.

“If NATO were to muster up the two million men or so and move them toward Russia’s borders than Russia would no doubt launch a major nuclear strike on the United States and Western Europe”

Bollocks! If things are ever so simple in life! You make some fictive scenario to stick with your stupid theory. Even in that scenario for Russia would be VERY hard decision to make collective suicide (like you suggest – like it is going with friend to drink pint of beer) PROXY WARS ARE STARTED and BUILT GRADUALLY always

Ricky Miller

Oh, my stupid theory that Russia would not stand idle as millions of armed men led by American war pigs are marched to Russia’s borders? That one. Or your stupid theory that two brigades worth of Russian soldiers and a small air wing could hold back the tide if only they’d been positioned properly? You a bright, shining idiot.

Z.P.

For right amount of money war in Ukraine can be RE-started …and can become FULL BLOWN PROXY WAR very quickly! And that will have no ” American war pigs ” or anybody else “marched to Russia’s borders”! Just tens of thousands of NATO sponsored special ops (already there with some new to come + neo-NAZI volunteers from around the world+ jihad volunteers ) That “stupid theory ” has already happened but now can be brought to much higher level to force Russia to get involved directly to save their Donbass population from genocide !

Ricky Miller

Russia’s not going to do that because she has more to lose than to gain. Germany and other EU states have made it clear that the future of Russian sanctions hangs on the conflict remaining frozen, along the faultlines of the Minsk accords. Ukraine has been warned by the EU powers that be as well. But if Russia wanted to intervene broadly in the Donbass she wouldn’t need any of the force in Syria to do so. Russia has an entire Guards Tank Army in the Western Military District against which Ukraine’s entire armed forces would struggle to stop short of the Dnieper River. Your hysteria about bring the force home from Syria to face off with the proxy war threat inside Ukraine, now five years old, or because of irritating NATO exercises that pose no actual military threat on the level of invasion, is juvenile and not a serious military opinion.

Karen Bartlett

Russia has said that their nukes are purely defensive. They would only launch them if they were attacked first.

Ricky Miller

Yes, as published in her defense doctrine. Russia specifies a nuclear response to a nuclear attack or a conventional attack of a veracity enough to threaten the existence of the Russian state. Who knows for sure how they would interpret several million men moving toward their border, under threat of armed action. My point is I doubt anyone in Western Europe really wants to find out. Hence, no collection of the several million men in question and no need for several hundred thousand Russian soldiers along her Western borders to be quickly reinforced by some 4200 Russian soldiers in Syria. His entire premise makes little sense, at least to me.

Z.P.

Reading your rubbish Porco…leaves only one deduction.. Only thing leftfor Russia is that Russia declares total victory (since so much superior to everybody)

Ricky Miller

Russia does have superior weapons. Her air defense weapons are second to none, the U.S. and NATO have no answer to the Mig-31bsm or the Kinzhal hypersonic missile. German submarines have trouble putting to sea because of poor maintenance and new U.K. and American warships keep having to be towed home because of propulsion failures. Russia has better tanks, more artillery pieces and a fanatical hatred of invasion. Your scenario is laughable and in no way does the small force in Syria either provide a margin of defeat or victory for Russia against NATO in Europe, but it has gone a long way to defeating the regime change globalist war being inflicted on the world by the United States and the United Kingdom in Syria.

Z.P.

HOW all that will help them if US re-starts proxy war in Ukraine? Your Kinzhal and German submarines? They can ruin totally Russian economy because Russia is even weaker as economy than as population ! They need only 3-4 years of the full scale war in Ukraine and Russian economy will be total disaster!

Ricky Miller

Not at all. Russia’s economy is mostly internal and is the most defended against globalism of all the G20 states. Russia has more cash reserves than debt and is turning more and more to Asia and away from the pressure points of the NeoLiberal West. Russia’s superior weapons matter, as does the outside boundaries involving sanctions, because both keeps the conflict frozen. But even if it were to jump off anyway, Russia’s expeditionary force in Syria wouldn’t be needed in Rostov to deal with it. Russia has superior force structure in the Western Military District to deal with Ukraine if it came to that. Which it won’t. Again, your opinion is bound to hysteria.

Z.P.

Russia this and Russia that. You can talk that bollocks to little children! Russia is only in nukes World Super Power second to none. In conventional weapons Russia doesn’t have financial resources, industrial base and human resources to match US+NATO power. Proxy war against US+NATO would ruin Russia. That was told by experts much bigger than you pretend to be. But you are just another asshole ready to fight to the last Russian

MILLIONS of Russians have died in WW1 than again in WW2 and Russia for her own survival as nation must FINALLY be very careful from snake-poisonous “friends” like you.

Ricky Miller

I form my opinions based on facts. Fact is: both the Kremlin and the Russian MOD hold the Syria operation in high priority. Fact is they are both confident in Russia’s ability to defend itself both militarily and economically from American led games. I am comfortable letting them lead their own country and state my opinions for myself. You seem comfortable shouting your opinions ad nauseum based on an alternate reality where several thousand Russian soldiers are urgently required home to stop an invasion that doesn’t exist and in a potential theatre of operation where Russia has large and competent force structures even now. It’s like a Golfer saying he needs to stuff two more golf balls in a bag that he’s already stuffed with dozens, or he might run out. It. Makes. No. Sense. And isn’t based on anything real.

Z.P.

Every adult must know priorities in life . I am saying that Russian choices are WRONG choices since they have put basic Russian interests behind some other interests. The numbers you talk about secondary ..they are not as important as basic choices and principals we make in life. The choices in life are everything since only they influence direction our life takes.

Ricky Miller

I disagree. I hear, because I listen, to Sergei Lavrov when he speaks. I understand that Russia’s mission in Syria is only a little bit about Bashar al-Assad and is a whole lot about reinforcing the UN Charter, frustrating yet another illegal regime change war, and about defeating extremism. There are thousands of Russian citizens in the jihadi street gangs inside Syria, roaming around with American weapons and gulf state cash. What Russia doesn’t need is them coming home, flush with triumph. One Beslan school bombing and mass shooting was more than enough. You can spout off about Russia’s priorities and hate on Russia’s successful Syria operation because you actually have no responsibility for the security of the Russian people. Which is a good thing because you don’t have any competence in understanding or formulating strategy, either.

Z.P.

No this I agree! But only this! All you have said before is nonsense, but with this I agree 100%! Russia is here ONLY to fight terrorism and nothing else! Not Turkey, IsraeHell, NATO just terrorism! Once that fight is finished …they will go home !

Ricky Miller

That’s not for us to decide, that’s a Russian choice. But seeing that they have fifty year lease agreements with Syria for two military bases I’ll bet that Russia will have force enough in Syria to block regime change there for generations. And I wear any label from you describing me as nonsense as a badge of honor. You are the one insisting that Russia’s home defenses are compromised by the detachment to Syria of one small air group and two brigades of ground forces about half of which are military police. That’s just stupid and nonsense. Which is what I think of anytime I see a post from you. Stupidity, nonsense and hysteria.

Karen Bartlett

Odd- the people in Donbass like Russia, yet you do not, while, claiming to be concerned about Donbass.

Z.P.

And why do you think that I don’t like Russia?… And where did I say that Russians from Donbass don’t like Russia? I am and I always was concerned for well being of Russia. Russia is the last line of defense for Orthodox people like myself. Without Russia we will have no future.

Ricky Miller

What is your point, if you have one? Russia is outnumbered by NATO but that population in no way wants war with Russia. Canada and the U.S. are across a broad ocean and the U.S. Navy is 9,000 sailors short of muster quota right now. And the only population that really matters in this disparity is the number of nuclear warheads Russia could bring to bear if there were ever to be some Wehrmacht fever sweeping through the NATOLands. As in more than 1500, on some 600 missiles including the largest and most modernized force of ICBM’s on Earth, the YARS missiles and it’s submarine launched cousin, the Bulava. What’s the population of NATOLand going to be after Russia is forced to use those to defend herself? In any case the absence of a few thousand men in Syria isn’t going to alter the giant calculations involved in a Barbarossa redo in Eastern Europe.

Z.P.

And who the fuck”wanted” WW1 and specially WW2 huh genius? You think that they’ll ask 2 cent “expert” like you for opinion?

CUT THE CRAP with your nukes bollocks! If the nukes fly majority will live to regret not to be dead immediately! I am talking about regular proxy war (AMERICAN WAY – the way AmeriCunts love the most )

Ricky Miller

A proxy war isn’t going to be meaningfully impacted by moving Russia’s small but effective Syrian force home. Your brain is misfiring. Schedule an MRI soon.

Z.P.

My point is that Russia is DRAINING precarious resources while it is YOU who all the time tries to ridicule numbers (of soldiers) or relativize everything about possible conflict !

You just make the story that fits your interests! And I keep repeating: THOSE ARE NOT RUSSIAN PRIMARY INTERESTS. Russia doesn’t have much support from anybody and can not count on ANTIBODIES help (that goes for China as well)! While Russia grows only in number of enemies and very lousy “friends”!

Ricky Miller

Russia has a primary interest in making certain that the U.S. regime change operation in Syria fails. It has an impact on geopolitics far outside Syria which is why so many people from all over the world come to SF to read and comment about it. A serious U.S. failure to accomplish it’s objectives inside Syria means similiar operations in Algeria, or Cuba, or Armenia or Kazakhstan will either never come to pass or won’t even be attempted because of the Syrian result. The Russian MOD disagrees with your opinion about both Syria and the threat at home. Maybe you should try and understand why instead of spouting nonsense on top of nonsense, doubled down on by more nonsense. Really, it’s nonsensical.

Z.P.

U.S. regime change?????! WHAT regime change? Even they have admitted that Assad is there to stay ! Russia can’t do more than help Assad against terrorists anyways! War against Turkey or Israel or NATO has nothing to do with reality! It can only put Russian troops in direct danger and un-necessary loses and force hand to Russia to declare war to Turkey which can turn tragic for Russian contingent in Syria. Assad in his war adventure against Turks is on his own! Why don’t he ask his Iranian cousins for help? Isn’t Iran the one who is dreaming to have THOUSANDS of missiles under Jew noses?!? So what the fuck they are waiting for ?Why they are not helping more to liberate their rocket launch platform Syria? Isn’t that part of their religion and “prophecy” something related to destruction of IsraHell? What are they waiting for ?

Ricky Miller

Actually the U.S. can’t make up it’s mind about their goals in Syria. They were leaving but then didn’t. They called the Turkish Peace Spring op a threat and savage but it used the same proxies that the U.S. armed in the first place. They said that regime change is off the table but continue to interfere with the political process in order to pressure the Syrian government into concessions. They have a bi-polar foreign policy about many things but Syria leads the way. What the U.S. says should not have much bearing on what Russia’s priorities are, in Syria especially but elsewhere also.

Karen Bartlett

Oh, I get it. A Hasbara troll.

Z.P.

Go away Karen I am sick and tired of mediocrity and that “hasbara” bullshit. You people are like tribe of clones. You even use exactly the same words. Sick!

Karen Bartlett

Heh, heh.

Karen Bartlett

That’s not true. Russia is very willing to help Syria: Moscow has vowed to continue its fight against terrorism in Syria’s Idlib province alongside Damascus, even though this doesn’t fit with Washington’s vision for resolving the crisis. (Al Masdar News, 2/17/20)

If Russia isn’t worried about who they help, why should you be?

Z.P.

Al Masdar News is just another asswipe ragtag insignificant outlet ! What the hell do they know about Moscow plans?! There are official page of Russian gov and there is Russian news agency for those things not “Al Masdar News”!

I didn’t say that they are “worried ” or not “worried “.. I do not know their state of mind ! All I know that they starting to run too much unnecessary risque for so little to gain. I can only hope that they know what are they doing….and that they still control situation…

Ricky Miller

So, what? NATO states might go along with exercises but they are not going to sanction an attack against Russia. They are not in the business of causing an escalation that leads to a major war which could threaten them with obliteration. NATO’s forces are far away, for the most part, from Russia’s borders. In France and Italy, and so on. They have nothing like the 2:1 disparity which would be required to even begin thinking about an attack on Russia. And if they did want to attack they’d have to move hundreds of thousands of personnel across Europe, movements that Russia is sure to detect. In that case Russia would call up her reserves, 200,000 men that have all had combat training in the past five years and contract for 100,000 contract soldiers who breathe in and out of Russia’s ground forces every couple of years. In no event is Russia’s defense going to be compromised by the absence of the small force operating in Syria. Your failure to think that through and understand the basic concepts of reserve forces, defensive posture and so on demonstrates a serious inability to process information in a coherent way.

Z.P.

“NATO’s forces are far away, for the most part, from Russia’s borders” The New Cold War – NATO Plans 40k Force, Bases on Russia’s Border https://sputniknews.com/military/201606151041407693-nato-cold-war-russian-border/ NATO’s Attempts to Move Closer to Russian Borders, https://sputniknews.com/military/201911221077376442-natos-attempts-to-move-closer-to-russian-borders-space-militarisation-cause-concern—putin/ Nato to step up presence near Russian borders https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/16/nato-step-up-presence-russian-borders-eastern-europe NATO’s Military Buildup along Russia’s Borders is No Joke https://journal-neo.org/2018/11/17/natos-military-buildup-along-russias-borders-is-no-joke-or-is-it/ NATO’s “Operation Atlantic Resolve” marches closer towards Russia’s borders https://theduran.com/natos-operation-atlantic-resolve-marches-close-towards-russias-borders/ Moscow will respond to NATO approaching Russian borders https://www.rt.com/news/267661-russia-nato-border-weapons/ Lavrov: NATO’s military build-up near Russia’s borders requires special attention https://www.sott.net/article/388971-Lavrov-NATOs-military-build-up-near-Russias-borders-requires-special-attention

Ricky Miller

Again, the Russians are keeping an eye on these movements which mostly threaten Kaliningrad. In the past few years Russia has improved the defenses of Kaliningrad Oblast to the point that there is now an Su-30 squadron, two full regiments of the S-400 and multiple layered air defenses below that, new missile corvettes, a Naval Infantry regiment and Iskander missiles for punching power. There is little need to improve the Western facing defenses by taking from the Syrian force which was your entire point that started this distracting and stupid debate. Russia has plenty of other forces to deal with the current NATO build up for the exercise season and you continue to double and triple down on an argument that makes no military sense at all.

FlorianGeyer

When Russia entered the fray in Syria the budget was paid for the military training budget.

The standing cost of soldiery in any army is the same whether sitting in barracks at home, or on operations.

Russian operations have greatly enhanced the sales and reputation of Russian weapons, and Russian diplomacy in Syria and now the world has restored Russia to the Top Table again, after the disaster of the 1990’s.

There is obviously a cost in fighting BUT Russia now has a far more efficient fighting force than in 2015 with a greatly boosted lethality. I would guess at +30% at least, but that’s just my assessment. :) The Syrian experience has been positive for Russia, whilst assisting a Syrian ‘friend’ .

Traiano Welcome

Yes indeed. Just leave that base in Tartus and Hmeimem for ISIS. Lovely idea.

Z.P.

And who was talking about leaving Russia’s bases?!? Russia has regular agreements with Assad for them ! I was talking only about extra troops (specially those who might get in danger on the Turk-Syrian border) since they are too far away from good Russian air defenses, air-force protection and their bases. If Syria starts war against Turkey those Russians will be in great danger from both sides – from the Turks and Americans also

Traiano Welcome

That’s like being half pregnant.

You are either all in or all out … There’s no middle way in this game.

Z.P.

Why would Russia “all in “?! WHY? They have promised Assad destruction of terrorists and I am sure that if Assad behaves they will respect their part of agreement. Russia will not stop till Idlib is liberated. But they will not help Assad to attack Turks and their proxy terrorists. They will not help Assad humiliate Turkey. Because that could trigger much bigger war and not only against Turkey.

Assad has right to ignore Russian ceasefires with Turks but than he will be on his own if he ridicules Russia. It is his choice after all.

Traiano Welcome

Maybe you should ask yourself why Russia right now is “all In” ? If Putin is such a genius he must know something you don’t?

A man of his intellect doesn’t get involved in wars for sentimental reasons, he has calculated that the cost of not getting involved in Syria (to Russia) is lower than the cost of sitting back and playing neutral … i.e, he found it mandatory that he spend Russian lives and money in Syria.

Z.P.

Russia right now is NOT “all In” ! Russia will NEVER start war against Turkey, IsraHell, NATO unless forced ! Russia right now wants Turkey to go BACK to Astana agreement adapted to the present situation and KICK OUT the TERRORISTS ! I am 100% sure that Russia would oppose any SAA attacks if Turkey would accept to finally get rid of terrorists in Syria !

So I am sure that you definitely do not understand Russian always MODERATE position.

gustavo

So naive, Russia has millions ready to fight any agresion to Russia, without taking into account air force, nuclear, and tactical weapons.

Ricky Miller

He doesn’t care about facts like that. It’s the deployment of these two brigades and an air wing less than two dozen strong that’s going to do Russia in back at home. Because of a NATO exercise involving 50,000 men, most of whom are never going to exercise anywhere near Russia’s actual border. I agree with you, Russia has plenty of force structure at home to deal with such a threat.

Z.P.

you are sub-par…and on top anti-Putin and anti-Russian I can’t be bothered to answer to you

Ricky Miller

Then just shut up and go away.

Z.P.

He is regular anti Putin and anti Russian troll ! I will not talk to that Italian asshole! And you are definitely not going to tell me with whom I am going to talk! Now I will not talk to you either !

Ricky Miller

Then I won’t get to hear you quad down on more nonsense. Oh, no.

Karen Bartlett

These are just exercises. No need to panic. You sound like a troll.

Z.P.

No offense but I doubt that you as woman understand much in military matters. I have copy pasted 10 titles (some of them Russian) who dosen’t consider that so irrelevant as you pretend it to be. I could find 100 articles all in Russian on the same subject. Russia takes these NATO exercises and ever growing NATO presence on RUssian borders VERY seriously. Perhaps you should read few Russian articles from time to time to update your knowledge on the subject

Phoron

Check out the strategic genius who knows how to lead Russia better than Putin.

Putin should read your posts for advice. Maybe he will fire Shoygu and hire Z.P., post-haste.

Good luck with all that.

Z.P.

For me Putin is the one of the best leaders that Russia had in her own great history!

I have been reading YOUR bollocks and from other clowns like you who were thinking that they know much better than Putin while spitting on the Putin in the same time! And monkey like you pretends to be able to embarrass me over Putin?!? Of course I do NOT KNOW better or even close to the Putin! My only sin against Putin is to think that Russia must protect better their own population than they did to the present day!!!

I have 10 000 DEAD RUSSIANS in Donbass on my mind ! And I say that they have deserved better help than Syrians but they didn’t get it from Russia and I can’t tell whose mistake that was… Ukraine 10 000 dead Russians ….That will be only stain on his brilliant legacy. I just hope that Syria will not turn in some blunder or God forbid bigger war for Russia.

FlorianGeyer

Lol.

FlorianGeyer

Has your account been hacked ,Z.P. ? It reads like a Zio-Troll account here.

Z.P.

No I am just going ballistic Trying to push in every direction and see what is going to happen. I am sorry to betray your expectation. I am fed up with this place and people. Specially the people Good bye.

François

Looking at the videos with hundreds of military vehicles entering Idlib, SAA must know that even if they can get more field in short term, they will find fierce resistance in that city. I think the turkish are waiting the moment to push massive counter attack once SAA will get near the city, hoping they will be as concentrated as possible to better crush them. So SAA will first isolate Idlib in a pocket and then besiege it…

Traiano Welcome

The Turks will be rushing onto ground held by the SAA, ground that is familiar to the SAA. So even if they try to crush them in Idlib, they’ll be doing so at a disadvantage. It’s going to be tough for them to make any progress. Besides, they lose the advantage of surprise since the SAA is expecting them. Almost impossible for the Turks to make progress unless they have massive air support … which they don’t.

François

I agree, and also motivation is the key difference . Up among the SAA and very uncertain among Turkish troops…

gustavo

Aero space Russia force is ready for them, do not worry.

Karen Bartlett

Yes: BEIRUT, LEBANON (3:30 P.M.) – The Russian Air Force carried out a large number of airstrikes over the western countryside of the Aleppo Governorate on Monday, targeting several areas under the control of Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) and their allies.(Al Masdar New, 2/17/20) Also, they say Russia is making heavy airstrikes along the Turkish border.

Tom Tom

I don’t think so. If SAA keeps pushing Turks will leave. They might re-group later (foolishly), but SAA cannot stop now.

antoun

map https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/61d94c4153c3b9ec1ad14a295dc83fdd5d01b3fe70de0e20145ba7c324cd984a.png avanced SAA this morning!

You can call me Al

Excellent, looks like there is no messing about now.

Joe Doe

While militans are on the run, there will be very little resistance, Now is the time for SAA continue push West and South.This will save lives and liberate Idlib very fast. SAA should not stop now and allow militans to rearm. KEEP PUSHING!!

Lupus

Nice history perspective: https://youtu.be/dJ0v3CAxf4k

Barba_Papa

Those were the dark days. Well, the end of the dark days, when parts of East Aleppo were still in the hands of Jihadi headchoppers FREEDOM LOVING MODERATE REBELS and when Jihadi propagandists used children A SEVEN YEAR OLD GIRL TWEETED HELP US AGAINST THE EVIL ASSAD IN PERFECT ENGLISH CAUSE SHE’S BRILLIANT. My, how much have things improved.

antoun

the post the djihadist qualqual date 2 days mdr!!

Samuel Vanguard

Turkey continues to move more military equipment into Idlib i think Erdorgan and the Turks are preparing for a open conflict with SAA.I foresee that TAF will engage SAA in Idlib. I also foresee IDF attacking more SAA logistics centers so as to withhold SAA i believe if SAA does not advance quickly it will be walking into a trap setup by the Jihadists and TAF.

gustavo

Russia air force is ready for them, you will see,

gustavo

Collapsing even further means…SAA must keep on going even further.

Barba_Papa

So they haven’t stopped yet? I’m impressed. I figured that after taking the M5 and securing Aleppo that anal wart Erdogan (no insults to anal warts intended) would get his ceasefire to save his precious Jihadi headchoppers THE POOR PEACELOVING MODERATE PEOPLE OF IDLIB FROM THE CRUEL ASSAD!!!

Karen Bartlett

Thank you, God, for going with the SAA! Congratulations, SAA!

Tom Tom

Time to go ALL OUT. No cease fire agreements!

General Patton’s philosophy was of relentless attack and unrelenting pressure that kept the enemy constantly off balance and minimized the Third Army’s casualties.

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