Turkish General Died In Syria’s Idlib From ‘Heart Attack’

yes maybe when Turkey damps Erdogan maybe?

He changed his mind a lot in the last few years. Davudoglu politics like ‘strategic depth’ are over. Only idlib issue is inherited from that era and hopefully it will be solved soon.

What is your opinion, when will army of Turkey could leave Idlib? Is Erdogan capable for this step? Or should we wait next leader?

He will resist to stay in Idlib till the ‘free elections’ since he needs to save face against his voters. Meanwhile Turkish Army is still consisting of mostly secular officers and they’re not happy about our Idlib policy. Two generals who were sent to Idlib resigned. Regarding the opposition, the main opposition is under CIA influence. Can it be changed? Well, there is a huge potential to save CHP from CIA influence but still only a potential waiting to be used.They hold the management control over them pretty well via media i have to admit. The best solution is to keep Idlib this way for a while. Time will show the way. It’s just a small remained land in the end. Better focus on YPG areas.

Thanks. As I understand, Erdogan want to stay there forever right as in N.Cyprus.

We won’t stay in Idlib forever. That’s erdogan’s personal issue. But we’ll stay in N. Cyprus, we can’t let Greeks to mass murder Turks again. You’re welcome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Christmas_(1963)

I don’t read “Wikipedia”.

Ok, browse ‘Bloody Christmas 1963’ then

It’s not about dumping Erdogan. Even with Erdogan gone, the system he built over the years will succeed him. I think you are among the many who aren’t aware of what Erdogan did to the deep-state in Turkey. Many in the Turkish military and some very powerful civilians have always been western puppets. Allah dealt them a blow when they attempted a coup and failed. Erdogan purge most of them (over a hundred thousand) from Turkey, and the purge is still ongoing. They have been dealt a fatal blow no civilian president of Turkey ever did to them. That’s why Erdogan calls the coup attempt a gift from God.

Russia was the one that warned Ergodan about the coup. Very appreciative, the Sultan.

Next leader could be even worse than Erdogan. He is a gangster, but not western marionette. You can’t make an agreement with sock-puppet. So it’s better to have aggressive, but independent one, than aggressive and not independent (look at Kiev regime).

Two completely different things. Is it wise to compare oranges to Steam railroad locomotives ?

I agree.

I do not think that Syria will trust Turkey again.

Of course Syria will trust Turkey if the Syrian people are allowed to choose who leads them.

Tell this to the relatives of the beheaded.

Well said. It is sad and shame.

Erdogan does the dirty work of the Zionist/Crusaders against the Muslim people of Syria. Islam will never be free as long as the Zio/Crusaders occupy Jerusalem and Mecca.

You’re wrong. Islam will be free even with Zionists occupying Jerusalem. Those who’ll librate Jerusalem might not even come from the middle East. Islam’s center of power has moved from place to place throughout history. I used to think that Turkey is a western puppet until I started studying Erdogan’s domestic policies in Turkey. Then I realized he cannot be a fake. No fake Muslim leader will make such an intense far-reaching efforts to FUNDAMENTALLY alter Turkish society in ways SHARPLY against ALL western values. This is where Erdogan passes the acid-test. Will you please stop insulting us with the claim that Erdogan is working for Zionists. They nearly killed him in 2016, where were you then. The US has almost completely blocked arms sells to Turkey and even scraped many existing arms deals that were already paid for. The US is blocking two EU countries partnering with Turkey in developing the engines for the future TF-X fifth gen fighter for Turkey. How is it that all this happens when Turkey is a Zionist puppet? I think you are one of the many Shiite agents on this forum who seek to misinform unsuspecting Muslims so they don’t recognize the rise of a truly Sunni country that seeks to unite the world’s Muslims. Khomeini can only claim to lead if there is no Sunni alternative. Unfortunately, Erdogan trump’s all other Muslim leaders when it comes to winning the hearts and minds of Muslims around the world. I feel shame and regret whenever I remember that prior to digging into Erdogan’s policies, I used to condemn him to some of my friends as being a Zionist puppet Muslim president. I’ve since learned to not prematurely condemn someone before studying their policies. Erdogan is one of few Muslim leaders I always remember in my prayers.

Thank you for your thoughtful and respectful response. I apologize for calling Erdogan an Israeli puppet. The Syrian Arab Army (mostly Sunni Muslims) are fighting Israel/United States, Turkey, Arab Gulf Tyrannies and Saudi Arabia. Nato is today’s Crusaders. Zionism, founded by Frankish Jews, is a neo Crusader ideology supported by Zionist Christians. They occupy Jerusalem and have their vassal controlling Mecca and Medina. Turkey has no business supporting the Wahhabis in Syria or having its forces occupying Syria. This puts Turkey in the sane side as Israel. There is no glory nor honor trying to destroy Syria. It only pleases Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United States. Erdogrul would never have allied himself traitors. Islam does not have monarchies’, Christians do. In Latin America we love Erdogan. He has testicles of steel.

I am not a blind supporter of Erdogan. You can criticize him wherever you disagree. The difference between Erdogan and the clueless Mullahs is that Erdogan is a smarter player by far. The Mullahs in Iran a desperate evil people. The kind of hatred the have for Israel is not permissible in Islam. And they threaten Israel with destruction almost every day. I’m not supporting Israel in anyway, but this Iranian behavior makes things more difficult to solve. It is possible to have peace with Israel. Islamically, it’s even good to have peace with them when possible. And not just Israel, but any other race or people. Iranians have disgraced Islam with their constant training and arming of a government within a government. Erdogan knows that to fix a damage that has been done over a period of 80 years, one needs many years as well. Things have to go gradually. You can’t build a house in one day. But you can destroy it in one day.

The Middle East has been living with gangrene since the dismemberment of the Ottoman Califate. The neo Crusader created a state of European settlers around Jerusalem and created an Monarchy vassal state in the Land of Mecca and Medina. The divided the Ottoman Provinces among Crusader descendentes England and France. France gets its name from the Frank. Today, Turkey is an ally of England and France. It allows its military on your bases. Your weapon purchases fill the coffers of their arms merchants. Iran is the only country committed to expel the Crusaders from the Middle East. Turkey provides and has provided military facilities to Nato and Israel. Iran is the only state that has shot down a US spy plane and bombed a US military-base from Iranian territory. You say it is possible to have peace with Zionism? Can you have peace with someone who has used murder to steal your land? Only a vassal has peace with Israel, like Egypt and Jordan. Making peace with your historical enemy puts you in the wrong side of history.

No doubt the Europeans, Americans, and Israel are Islam’s fiercest enemies today. And it’s true that the U.S and NATO has bases in Turkey. However, this does not condemn Erdogan at all. NATO was formed many decades before Erdogan became president, I think NATO existed before Erdogan was born.

You may argue that why does he not end Turkey’s participation in NATO. The answer to that is that destruction done over many years cannot be fixed in one day without a miracle. Erdogan needs to benefit from the fictitious protection that NATO provides Turkey. Not that NATO will ever fight Russia over Turkey even if Russia made a land invasion of Turkey. But the fictitious commitment in NATO agreement helps dissuade many from risking to test NATO’s resolve.

To leave NATO, Erdogan must first make Turkey strong and self-reliant in both economy and military. If you study his recent policies, you’ll note that he is moving the Turkish economy towards Asian markets and creating new markets mainly in Muslim majority countries. He has signed Free Trade Agreements with many governments and seeks to sign more. He’s investing billions of dollars in Muslims countries around the world. He’s taking on ambitious defense projects. He’s Islamically educating the Turkish society in what he calls his ambition to raise a pious generation. He is helping Muslim governments against western dictatorship in both Libya, Qatar, Somalia, and others. These cannot be the actions of a leader who is agrees with the West. Your accusation only fits people like MBS, MBZ, El-Sisi, Haftar, etc.

Despite their wrongs, Israel and the Muslim world can still have peace if Israel were to stop its atrocities against Muslims. But they feel so strong now and aren’t going to willingly give up oppressing us. So it means a war is certainly coming between Israel/Western vs Islamic World.

Iran is a clueless and cowardly player. Iran’s strategy will only end up infuriating Muslims like Erdogan and myself. You don’t try to build a house in one day. It is a very wrong strategy for Iran to train and arm militias in other countries and then control those militias. Look how many people are suffering in other countries from economic sanctions and instability as a result of these militias. It is better to contain instability in one place, but Iran chooses to spread it everywhere in the Muslim world through creating governments within governments.

Is Erdogan a good Muslim? He has a hatred toward Bashar Assad, and has invaded Syria causing thousands of deaths and suffering. He has no business in Syria. Iran has come to support the sovereignty and integrity of Syria. Turkey is doing the opposite on the same side as the US/Israel.

If you study the Syrian war closely, you’ll realize that Turkey is not on the side of US/Israel. Because Assad claims to be a Muslim doesn’t mean another Muslim shouldn’t fight him if he becomes a tyrant ruler. Being a Muslim doesn’t grant immunity from opposition. Turkey is in Syria because Turkey wants the Syrians to choose their leader. Dictatorship is not an Islamically permissible style of rule. A Muslim leader should be loved by the Muslim community over which he rules. And Assad can only claim this a majority of Syrians showing their support for him. And in our own time, that can only happen in an election. It is the election that Turkey has been calling for and Assad has been opposing for decades.

”If you study the Syrian war closely, you’ll realize that Turkey is not on the side of US/Israel.” I have studied the war against the Syrian Government, and I have come to the opposite conclusion. Turkey and Israel share the same goal to overthrow the government of Bashar Assad. The Crusader vassal state of Saudi Arabia is a tyranny, I do not see Erdogan intervening in Saudi Arabia. Erdogan’s concern for the people of Syria are crocodile tears and nothing more. I am impressed by your compassion for Israel and that Iran is a greater enemy. The only country in the Middle East that the Nato/US/Neo-Crusaders has put a brutal economic and military embargo. Iran has vowed to expel the US out of the Middle East. Turkey has Nato/Crusader troops and its nuclear weapons in its territory. How is Turkey a better Muslim country than Iran.

You are delusional. Syrians voted for Asad. Problem is on your side, not syrian.

Yeah they voted for Assad during a civil war. Can you tell us the total vote count? Then compare to the total number of Syrians of voting age. Which year was this election and how many percent of Syria did Assad control then? A fake election like that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a DICTATOR.

Never trust a NATO country.

Never trust NATO the same. ΝΑΤΟ New flag.

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Until this psychopathic reptil i from CIA is in power, it won’t be working. If Gülen is there, whole story would be different.

Yes re yanni

Obviously, not to Erdogan.

even you dont belive to your comment do you?

Inshallah.

That’s not what this fighting is about. This is not a religious war, see if you can try not to make it one. The problem with your narrative is Russia is invited to Syria. Iran, and Hezbollah, too. Now Iraq. Something else you missed, Russia has a large Muslim population. Your trolling is pitiful, you have no valid argument, and Assad is no “evil dictator.” I’ll attempt this one more time. Russia’s presense in Syria is requested by the legally elected President of Syria. Russia is a long time ally with Syria. There is a long history between the two countries. Russia is welcome in Syria any time it wishes. The same applies to Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah, all share military alliances, and all have military alliances with Russia. US Government, and US Coalition along with their pet enemies (terrorists) illegally invaded Syria, using the fake as fuck poorly constructed fabrications of “Civil War,” then “evil dictator that terrorizes his own people.” Then, “Failed State, 3rd world shithole country., poverty, Assad this, Assad that… Until US Coalition came bringing “Freedom” to first Libya, then Syria, Libya had the highest standard of living in the Middle East. Qathafi was a hero to his people, they loved the man. There’s a video on YT about Qathafi’s huge water transportation project that took 40 years to build, and Secretary of State Clinton 40 seconds to have the project bombed with DU munitions The water supply for 71% of Libyans is going to be radioactive for the next 100,000 years. This is a crime against humanity. US military trademark. Syria had the second highest standard of living in the Middle East, these are modern, prosperous, educated, low unemployment, cheap fuel, cheap, or no charge housing w/0% loans, no cost education healthcare, cheap utilities, and a peaceful secular country. The Syrian people adore President Dr. Bashir al Assad MD. Since when can “evil dictators” drive around town in their Honda Civic alone ? Stopping to chat with people, listen to the problems, write down the people’s complaints requests for repairs, law to be changed, etc., in his “Black Book” he sends to the administration, where these questions, requests, problems are examined to determine what can be done, what cannot, and why. Assad said not every request can be answered for various reasons. When Assad stops to visit the people, he’s assaulted with handshakes, hugs, and kisses. One thing is certain, an actual “evil dictator” doing this like Assad does, would be alive not more than 3 minutes, no “evil dictator” has the slightest desire to interact with his subjects. In US the President comes to your city, the planes land, the motorcade is off loaded, lined up, Secret Service everywhere, roads, highways, surface streets are blocked in a manner nothing is able to get close. The traffic jams take hours to disperse, and the bastards just have to move during commute hours. Every damn time ! I’ve found no fault with Assad, no one I know has found fault with Assad. But then the people I know do their fact checking, and have learned what channels are credible, and those that are not. The problem with Assad is he rejected the Headcutters plans to build a pipeline through Syria to a port. Well, he kinda’ did drop Rothschild Central Bank, as Syria’s reserve bank, in anticipation of the start up of BRICS Banking. Backed by gold, with a new currency. Why did you think Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia Sudan, Senegal, and other countries were attacked,and razed to the ground, bombing the shit out of the civilian population ? Israel wants land and resources to expand the stolen lands. Israel wants South Lebanon, and for Hezbollah to evaporate. There’s Iran, a country that hasn’t attacked another country since since 1775 is somehow determined to be a terrorist organization, and supporter of terrorism. Labeled as such by the fake State of Israel. Which of course labels whatever it pleases as a terrorist organization. The only terrorist organization in the Middle East, is Israel. Okay, whatever I’ve pissed away enough of my time on what I’m thinking is a pitiful troll, that has no knowledge of the topic it’s speaking to, but does possess a great pretense of knowledge. I don’t want Russia to do anything, it doesn’t need my advice, Russia knows exactly what it’s doing. I don’t have a horse in this race. I was kinda’ pointing out the obvious, which coincides with the facts.

Everything you said I agree with except for one thing: “that Assad is popular with Syrians” My question to you is, why did Assad reject the UN solution proposed by his allies (Russia and China) and endorsed by the UN? That UN-backed solution could have ended the war, lifted sanctions on Syria, enabled international reconstruction aid, and normalisation with Syria’s enemies. Assad knew such a democratic solution would get his people out of power cos the majority Sunnis (80%) will surely elect a Sunni leader. All your argument to defend him is undermined by this single fact: he won’t let Syrians elect their leader in a free and fair way. And don’t tell me me he is an elected leader. The 2014 election is a joke. Credible elections can only hold after most of Syrian refugees and IDPs return and the elections is setup and monitored by the UN (Russia, China, Turkey, Iran, GCC, etc). Short of this, Assad is still adictator with questionable popularity.

You haven’t even mentioned Turkey and how Assad plans to end this fight. How he’ll get America to handover the oilfields and leave.

Is this going to be a forever war?

Much to your disappointment Assad has NO say over what Syria should be like. Only Russia and the US plus Turkey can decide when this war ends. Should these three agree, it doesn’t matter if other countries disagree. All three players initially agreed to the UN solution proposed chiefly by Russia. But Russia later backed out when Assad rejected the deal. It doesn’t mean that Assad controls Russia’s decision regarding Syria. He and Iran managed to convince the Russians to back out. If Putin wanted Assad to fall he’ll simply pull much of Russia’s military out of Syria.

I’m pretty certain Iran pushed Assad to reject this UN proposed solution. Could it be that Iran wants a prolonged Syrian war in order to divert American invasion just like Iran wants a prolonged Afghanistan war?

There’s only a 50% chance Assad won’t be elected yet again. These same “Sunnis” elected him. Twice. This doesn’t hold water. Why did Assad reject the UN “offer” ? You do understand the Zionist Khazar criminal Banking Cabal owns UN/NATO, etc.. Perhaps this “offer” was not in the interests of Syria, and the people of Syria. Ever consider that ? Assad has all the say as to what goes on in Syria, he answers to no one. That should be obvious with his rejection of the UN offer. That was in no way favorable to Syria. Russia is right there, with the agreed assistance, and more. Assad’s other allies are still backing Syria, and adapting, and expanding to the conditions as this war unfolds into a worldwide conflict. Having picked up a new ally that’s sick of the occupation by the bankers bully puppets. I’m pretty sure you are without understanding of all that is associated with the conflict, and the facts that describe accurately just who each of Syria’s allies are, and their own reasons they’re backing Syria. Just how long, and deep the alliances are between Syria, and Russia, and between Iran, and Russia. Both are long time allies, but the association between Russia and Iran goes back over a thousand years. Iran has been around for three thousand years Russia a couple thousand years. The Khazars have been around as long as Russia. This whole trip began that long ago. Without the background there’s nothing to connect these countries, and to the problems that exist today. People think this war in the Middle East started 15 minutes ago, but it started as we see it a hundred years ago. This background is essential to understand who is who, and what is what, and who calls the shots in what actions are taken, and the reactions of others.

The first reply I have received that makes sense even though my research shows otherwise. Some commenters think I just dislike Assad out of sentiments or subjectivity. That’s why I get plenty of negative reactions to some of my comments. But if these guys will browse my profile and read my comments since 2018, they’ll know I’ve a dedicated supporter of Iran, Assad, and Russia until February 2020. The reason for my about-turn is that I discovered plenty of dirty hidden things about Iran’s secret war against Sunnis. And those helping Iran in it’s war, like Assad and the militias. As for Russia, I consider it a highly dangerous country for Sunni Muslims worldwide – nearly as dangerous as America. Russia is propping up dictators we are trying to overthrow to regain some control over our lands. Egypt and Libya are the best examples of Russia’s double standards. I was even planning of studying in Russia then changed my mind after learning these. Both Sisi and Haftar are unpopular and murderers. They are also Zionist stooges. It baffles me that Russia sides with them instead of the overwhelming Muslim ummah who want elected leaders. Russia itself is not a dictatorship country, at least Putin was elected. So why would Russia want dictatorship for others? To the point of even militarily empowering these oppressive dictators? Based on my research, I am highly confident that Assad will lose in any free and fair election. We can discuss this if you want. The UN proposed solution was designed and approved by Assad’s allies – Russia and China. I feel strongly that Iran convinced Assad to reject it. Russia later abided by Assad’s decision. You can no longer call Syria a country, at least until it’s united back. The 2014 Syrian election was a joke. Syria was practically at war! How can one hold elections in a war zone with millions of displaced people? It’s illogical. Russia and Assad’s biggest problem is not Turkey. It’s America. If the U.S leaves, Turkey will have to leave because it doesn’t have the military muscle to defeat Russia unless NATO comes in. But how do Russia get the U.S to leave Syria? Force will not work as we saw with the killing of many Russians who attempted to use force in 2018. What most commenters do on SF is cheerlead. They hardly post intelligent comments that contribute to understand the problems and possible solution to these wars. They keep lamenting that Russia doesn’t attack Turkey, or shoot down Israeli jets. The few who understand these events don’t objectively educate others. People like gryzor, Zionism=Evil, etc. fully understand much of these but conceal the facts out of subjectivity, issuing bent comments that is intended to garner blind support. That’s why SF comments are full of bullshit.

The only way to get the U.S out of Syria is through a deal that ends dictatorship for Syria. Such a deal will have UN, Russian, American, and Turkish backing. It’ll also end sanctions, secure international aid for return of refugees and reconstruction, stop Israeli aggression on Syria, destroy ISIS and other terrorist within Syria, get foreign forces out of Syria, and most importantly end the suffering of Syrians. Why wouldn’t Assad work towards such a deal? Does he ever think the U.S will leave, or he’ll one day get strong enough to fight them? The worst is that they have seized his oil wells and slapped heavy sanctions on his government. They also keep arming and training opposition forces like SDF and ISIS. Assad’s forces are dying almost every week in Syria. About 20 Russian soldiers have also died, plus close to 300 Russian mercenaries. Tons of resources are being lost to the war. But how many Americans have died? How much does America lose financially by being in Syria? They are stealing the oil and making money. It’s costing them nothing in blood and treasure. Who among them can sustain this situation indefinitely? America or Russia?

Let’s be realistic. We do hate the U.S. but we have no option but to negotiate with them and end the suffering of Syrians if we truly love the Syrians. That’s the smart thing for Russia to do, and they’ll do it one day. There’s no other option.

Up-voting to yourself, you’re genius! Take a down-vote from me, smarta**.

Here we go:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-man-dies-of-heart-attack-after-idf-stun-grenade-bursts-next-to-him/#gs.gn653s

Maybe they’re covering something up.