Sergei Skripal. KOMMERSANT/YURI SENATOROV VIA REUTERS
On March 14, Prime Minister Theresa May announced the expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats announced the alleged poisoning of former Russian intelligence officer Sergei Skripal.
Skripal, ex-GRU officer and MI6 double agent, and his daughter were hospitalized on March 4 following what the UK claims to have been an attempted poisoning by some alleged military nerve agent.
The prime minister accused Russia of the alleged poisoning and described the incident as an “unlawful use of force against the United Kingdom.” He went further saying that this crime was part of a well established pattern of “Russian state aggression” in Europe.
May claimed that 23 Russian diplomats had been “identified as undeclared intelligence officers” and they will be expelled and given one week to leave. The prime minister also threatened to freeze Russian assets in cases where they threaten UK citizens. Additionally, the UK will suspend all high level contacts with Russian diplomatic officials.
Russia has dismissed all accusations of involvment in the Skripal incident and requested access to the case. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has described the accusations as “propaganda”. He has added that Russia has not been provided with any evidence regarding the incident.
The UK accusations came amid the growing Russian-US tensions in Syria and reports about expected military provications in eastern Ukraine.
The expulsion of Russian diplomats from the UK and a new round of accusations against Moscow are aimed at destabilize the international situation ahead of the upcoming presidential election in Russia [March 18]. These accusations will also become an additionall tool in the ongoing anti-Putin campaign.
Apparently, no Russian diplomats or diplomats-intelligence officers were involved in the Skripal incident. He is an ex-GRU officer and has been of no interest for special services. Thus, the alleged poisoning of Skripal was used as a formal pretext for the anti-Russian actions.
It’s easy to assume that the Skripal incident was an operation of the UK intelligence, which had staged this incident to use it in the further political game on the international scene and to fuel the anti-Russian hysteria in the West.
expel all diplomats british frmo russia!!
and yankee and french and israeli
U.K. has not evidences at all about the participation of Russia in this killing. It looks more as part of attack to Russia. A serious investigation must be done to know who are involved in this killing, and stop doing crazy unfunded declarations.
the substance is the evidence.
substance can be produce in old soviet republics, not just russia
no way. only in russian territory were those laboratories.
The laboratory was located in Kazakh were there are Russian, Ukranian, German, Jews, Belarussian. Ukranian fasists heat Russian, right ? How do you know that this killing was not made by Ukranian who try to attack in this way Russia ? That is why a serious complete investigation is required before blame someone.
sure, jwes. you were not idiot nazi gustavo if not mentioned. this category was produced only on russian territory. basta!
Hahahaha you are an odd one, but still… you must try harder. Bring Solomon Krucapek back you filthy abductor! We miss our favorite troll already.
Novichok, ‘newcomers’ in English, are a zoo of chemical warfare agents that were developed in the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 80s. Some of the ‘newcomers’ are said to be highly toxic…
…The existence of these chemical agents was disclosed in 1992. Russia joined the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction in 1997. It has since (unlike the U.S.) destroyed all left over stocks from the Soviet Union’s chemical weapon program. It does not produce chemical weapons.
These agents and their formulas are not an exclusively Russian knowledge or product:
One of the key manufacturing sites was the Soviet State Scientific Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and Technology (GosNIIOKhT) in Nukus, Uzbekistan. Small, experimental batches of the weapons may have been tested on the nearby Ustyurt plateau. It may also have been tested in a research centre in Krasnoarmeysk near Moscow. Since its independence in 1991, Uzbekistan has been working with the government of the United States to dismantle and decontaminate the sites where the Novichok agents and other chemical weapons were tested and developed.
The formulas for the various Novichok agents are not a Russian secret. The U.S. and the UK surely know how to make these. The agents are said to be made from simply components used in civil industrial processes. (To qualify any agent as “military grade” is by the way nonsense. Many chemical agents used in civil process are also incredibly deadly.) The Porton Down chemical weapon laboratory of the British military is only some 8 miles away from Salisbury where the Skripals were allegedly poisoned. The British government claims that Porton Down identified the agent allegedly used on the Skripals. The laboratory is surely also capable of producing such stuff, just like similar laboratories in other countries are able to do.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-45-minutes-claim.html
Indeed, the Ukrainian theory is most likely I think and would have been coordinated with the UK/US .
Unfortunately it is much simpler than that. Mi6 simply thought ex-GRU traitor should serve his western masters one more time – work as pretext to accuse Russia together with Syria: “they attack UK with chemical weapons same way as they attack Syrian rebels and civilians.” West got an answer on military level – you shoot and you get shot. Considering that they keep working in informational domain, I suspect that they are still considering actions on 6 level of priority (weapons of war) and that’s a shaky situation. If they imagine that Russia is shook and would not strike back than they may try and that’s where it will get hairy. Russia attacks missiles and launchers firing those missiles. Than things go out of control of politicians but more under control of prescribed military procedures – incoming threat = particular sequence of actions – from both sides. Things could escalate out of control in very short time. Lets see how it unfolds.
I agree my friend and am very embarrassed at the actions of my government. Theresa May’s behaviour is puerile in the extreme and the undignified haste to accuse the Russian government suggests that the British had prepared a narrative for this incident that had some urgency.
There was also the warning by the Russian military that any nuclear attack on government buildings in Damascus or other Syrian assets where Russian personnel were, that it would trigger an instant nuclear response on the ‘carrier’ of the missile. The use of the word ‘carrier’ I would suggest is a translation error for ‘origin’ .
All Bullsh!t – NO PROOF that Polonium was used at all – NO independent verification of poisoning. Just a big ploy to create a Cassus Belli for war on Syria by NATO. Theresa May mentioned Russian illegal Chemical warfare program to prove Russia supplying Syria with chemical agents to use in Syria.
polonium was used years ago. ruskies after putins order killed their former agent. exactly were found the fsb agent who did. they are now in russia. that action is similar to gaddafis terrism in lockerbie. russia will pay for those two terrorists,
bullshit. novichok is designed to be made with precursors and stored in that state until deployed.
Its formula and methods of production has been published by a soviet defector to the US (now US citizen) in the early 90ies.
Hence, every specialized laboratory can make it, especially the one to happens to be at a few yards from where the “attempt” happened, which is the largest UK chemical weapons facility.
Stop bshitting :)
You’re just spamming crap from your dirty, cheap mouth.
Russia destroyed their stockplies according to OPCW https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-director-general-commends-major-milestone-as-russia-completes-destruction-of-chemical-weapons-stockpile-under-opcw-verification/
That’s old soviet shit, stockpiles were present in Ukraine, Uzbekistan, etc and the US, UK, they all have samples (and ability to produce more).
The US also obtained this nerve agent when US experts removed the old USSR stocks from Uzbekistan after 1991 when Uzbekistan became an independent country.
Yes, they looks like mexican investigators…….. the garbage burning is the evidence that 43 student were incinerated there, WOW ! you do not need even elementary school to make such a declarations, the same with U.K.
you know nothin about chemical weapons. but i served 1 decade in such unot. be sure, there are absolutely 100% methods fond the origin. the novichok category is not chlorine gas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent
theresa may wanted xplanation from russian, whether they did or is leakidge in their system and was stolen?
commie agent putin only repeat as cacadu, that nyet, nyet, nyet.
yeah, i heard such nyets after chernobyil, kursk, latest strocium in air.
My point is that I do not believe that Russia is the only country which has produced this chemical weapon. Even more, if this is the case…..how do you know that Russia used it ? After all, must of the chemical and other weapons went to west after USSR fall. Are you sure that Russia is the ONLY country having this toxic substance ? Are you sure that U.K. does not have it ? Are you sure that USA does not have it ? My statement is still in place.
i wrote you clearly: there are methods hot to identify. this is not shitty sarin, what you can produce in kitchen. so, you are stubborn cock, who knows nothing aaaaaaand is not willing to learn.
from my side the discussion is over in this question.
brits are right, je suis UK.
“brits are right, je suis UK”
you are a whore.
What is disgusting about this whore is that she’s betraying his own kind.
yes, but whores actually should be considered a kind in itself.
in the end, they betray each other at the first occasion, don’t doubt.
No one gives a fuck about your “discussion”, you’re a clueless retard and a pathetic NATO buttlicker.
From your own link. Main production site was Uzbekistan. (Former USSR). A well known hotbed of Jihadi Orcs.
read my answer above
listening to you, you served pretty much anywhere.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-45-minutes-claim.html
i dont open shitsites
that’s why u make ignorant statements
tho if u look a cupla comments above, i posted the relevant information for u so u may educate yourself
Then don’t open your mouth…
Then how come you are here? This article is essentially taking the same position as that one.
No? Well stay happy in your propaganda bubble.
It can be produced anywhere where there’s a lab including England
Nonsense. The british governments Russia nerve-agent claims are bullshit: https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-british-governments-russia-nerve-agent-claims-are-bullshit-a69b4ee484ce
Really? Than why are they shy to present it as they are obliged to do according to signed treaty? Why don’t they refuse to act according to international law? “Highly likely” – is that their evidence?
This is the truth. No evidence, just words to spark up escalation. The west wants all diplomatic efforts to crumble, so that the path for war is open. Targeting diplomats for expulsion signifies the forthcoming escalation. There will never be a serious investigation, zero evidence has been given to Russians in order to even prepare a defense. Allegations equal provocations, nothing more. I really wonder if the west is ready to bet all it has for the imperial aspirations.
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The Nerve agent Novichok is in every western chemical arsenal and produced easily , this attack had so many questions and possibly staged there should have been way more victims.
Russia does the typical soviet method. Deny, deny, deny. Insteadof this stupid tactics should explain, how is possible, that the higly secret and higly well-kept soviet/russian chemical weapon occurs in abroad.
This is scandal!
Deny what? Offer some evidence…Hint: Just saying “He was poisoned, so Russia did it” is not evidence.
read my comment below
Your comment is not accepted.
you are fanatic retard in case if holy russia. your problem. :))))
Judgments must be based on evidences. Finding a toxic made in USSR is not a evidence since this toxic could also be produced by U.K., USA, China, Israel, France, Ukrania, and more with the same technical capabilities. Even more, this toxic can be transported from one nation to another nation, and used for a third nation. Life is complicated, your emotions (good or bad tower a people or nation ) can blind your reason. Let us remember that Blair was a strong supporter of “WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,” and he had strong evidences about them.
Velociraptor’s own link to Wikipedia says the main production facility was in Uzbekistan, a well known hotbed of Jihadist Orcs. Velociraptor’s argument is that something bad happened so “Russia did it”.
this info is false
soviets did nothing sensitive military development in islamic central asian republics.
Of course they did, just like in US hazmat industries are located in the poor section of cities, so in case of accident or contamination rich people are not harmed. This decreases liability payouts. For example, what did Union Carbide pay the victims in Bhopal India? A pittance is what. So the USSR did the same! Was Chernobyl in Russia or in one of the Republics?
You’re a liar, head case and disinfo peddler:
“One of the key manufacturing sites was the Soviet State Scientific Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and Technology (GosNIIOKhT) in Nukus, Soviet Uzbekistan.[16] Small, experimental batches of the weapons may have been tested on the nearby Ustyurt plateau.[17] It may also have been tested in a research centre in Krasnoarmeysk near Moscow.[16] Precursor chemicals were made at the Pavlodar Chemical Plant in Soviet Kazakhstan, which was also thought to be the intended Novichok weapons production site, until its still under construction chemical warfare agent production building was demolished in 1987 in view of the forthcoming Chemical Weapons Convention.[18][19]
Since its independence in 1991, Uzbekistan has been working with the government of the United States to dismantle and decontaminate the sites where the Novichok agents and other chemical weapons were tested and developed.[16][17] Between 1999[20] and 2002 the United States Department of Defense dismantled the major research and testing site for Novichok at the Chemical Research Institute in Nukus, under a $6 million Cooperative Threat Reduction program.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent#Description_of_Novichok_agents
First off, nice photo!
But I would counter with: The poison is a Russian poison, so assuming that Russia, or someone from Russia, is involved is actually quite logical. Asking Russia to help track down where it came from is also logical. Russia does not seem to want to cooperate with the UK, or at least, not fully cooperate to the extent of which the UK wants.
The poison is a Russian poison IF he was poisoned at all – after all, he had his ass saved by the UK government, and would willingly go along with any false flag MI5/NATo is planning.
Umm, I mean he WAS poisoned. Like the natural air at the park didn’t just cause him to almost die now did it? And all parties involved have confirmed that he was poisoned, so yeah, he was poisoned. And lets play this out then. Why would the UK poison him? What would they gain? You are probably going to say so that they can push an anti Russian and anti Putin campaign. They are already doing that though, so no need to poison someone. Also, the UK government gets nothing out of this economically. They now have to break some ties with Russia which hurts them more than it helps them. Add in the fact that there is always the change of getting caught poisoning your own citizen, which would be soooo bad for them. So tons of risk, and no apparent reward other than a small bit of anti-putin. Remember that the UK and Russia actually much stronger than ties than most believe, so they do not want to hurt each (sanctions) other unless they have too. Unless you can find a well thought out argument that makes sense and where the UK has a lot to gain, then your theory would appear to have minimal credence.
” Unless you can find a well thought out argument that makes sense and where ”
Russia has a lot to gain
” then your theory would appear to have minimal credence.” Peaky.
How hard would it be for CIA to purchase the poison from criminals in Uzbekistan?
Lets be honest. Britain did not provide the sample of the chemical you are talking about. If they had done that, I would have accepted what you’ve written above.
You are very confident that the chemical agent is from Russia. How can you be so sure when Britain has never provided any sample of it????????????
Britain does the typical western (US) method. Accuse, accuse, accuse. Instead of this stupid tactics they should have presented the sample of chemical.
This is scandal.
Novichok was made in Uzbekistan. (The USSR.) Not the Russia which is now the Russian Federation. Uzbekistan became a sovereign independent country in …. 1991.
The UKG appears not to understand that the USSR is not EXACTLY the RF when it suits them. IOW, they make the distinction for Ukraine and Georgia – but not it seems for other ex-Soviet and now independent countries.
Don’t be surprised, all zionists are liars, and Westminster is controlled by them
I don’t know about zionists. All I know that the European nations have died. They don’t have independent foreign policies. They work for the interests of their masters.
The Bolsheviks were armed and funded by those western interests who were determined to bring down the house of Romanov for its refusal to hand over Russia to the illuminati agenda of turning humans into debt slaves for which reason they were murdered on the 17th July 1918,exactly 96 years to the day that the Malaysian Boeing 777 flight MH-17 was shot down by an SU-25 military jet in order to frame up the Russian-backed rebels of the Donbass to garner support for the NATO-backed Ukrainian nationalist Poroshenko and his attempt to impose his rule over the slavic,Russsian-speaking population . of the Donbass by force The soviet system was controlled by those Wall street bankers that supplied the Bolsheviks with their money and its evils cannot be attributed to the Russian people themselves. The Obama administration was controlled by the same forces as is the French president and the EU generally ,whose governence is modelled on the old politbureau of the Soviet Union,hence why there is no general vote on who the commissioners or president of the EU will be,those people are selected by the unseen overlords rather than the people. If the present crisis tips us into a third world war between East and West it will not be Russia’s fault but rather because of the determination of the Committee of 300 and the CFR , steering committee of the Bilderberg group and the Trilateral Commission to bring about a one world system that the Illuminati bankers control ,even f that means a third world war!
Yeah, only Russians Deny, Deny Deny – The good westerners never have to – their propaganda machines are so good – they managed to brainwash you.
Crass ass.
“Expected provocations in *former* “Ukraine”…..well, then we will liberate Novorossiya and MAlorossiya in resposnse!
Jesus, this crap can be made everywhere, the only thing that is the problem if any, is the recipe, nothing else, most of this exotic shit can be purchased and produced everywhere, like making napalm, witch is basically diesel and soap, etc, etc. To then use this, uh…. shit as prof of anything is amateurish at best, but this is an last desperate attempt coming from an sinking ship, where gang rapes are legalized, people thrown out for speaking the truth, etc, native Brits dying on the streets, to loosing wars, where the Brits was the ones initiating this along with the Wankees.
Its an sad show, and what is this going to be, war, Brits, are you kidding, you have nothing, but economically, they can do a lot of harm, apart from that, what. And the freezing of assets, tsk, tsk, tsk. Whats next, when this is usually seen as an pre text to war, since the dawn of man, and now, the Brits wants an war with Russia, makes one wounder if it is something in the tap water, you cant be sane and that bloody stupid, its not possible, but the west, have been under propaganda attacks for years, humiliating Russia to such an extent that I am pissed by them for their own cowardliness, and makes us humiliated, Russians abroad will be purged, in Norway they screaming about hunting Russians, when everyone whom is not drooling along Norwegian official propaganda, run by the Jooish MSM, is an Russian/Putin Troll, and since an war against NK went down the drain, but slaughtering sub-human Russians is OK.
I sincerely hope that this time, Russia is brutal, no pussy footing, no diplomatic bed side small talk, but hit them with an sledge hammer, hit them where it hurts, their wallet, and show no mercy, kick everything from Britain out, oil corps to banking, throw them out and confiscate everything. They need you, you dont need them. Because, if there are still some drooling idiots think the great war isnt coming, well, stop eating medication or whatever you do, because the war is coming, what else, the issue have no other goal, other than ignite an war against Russia, this is the standard operati modi, Brits have done this for century’s.
Hit them hard, and have no mercy.
peace
Why should Russia hit them hard? Any hard tactics Russia retaliates with just justifies further estrangement and that’s not what Russia wants. Russia wants to PREVENT a war breaking out – not assist with its instigation.
US/UK need war to win – Russia just needs to wait. Time will win for her if she can just prevent any …. shooting. Only problem for Russia is – will Time be fast enough – so Russia gives her all the help she can.
But yeah – it’s bloody irritating to watch. :-)
Problem is that there’s no place to step back. If west attacks now than Russia will have to answer otherwise more serious attack will come inevitably – Russia actually said that Syria is far enough realizing that after Syria a wave of migrants will hit Europe while daesh scum will flow towards Russia via Tajikistan, Uzbekistan etc. What happens after Russia’s retaliation is most interesting part.
Are these articles supposed to be neutral and unbiased? Because almost every article on this site is anti-western. Also, to the writer of this article, your english/writing is not very good. I am not saying that to mock you, but to inform you so that you may become better at it. You called the British PM a ‘he.’ The British PM is a woman, not a man.
For everyone on here claiming that the UK is being shady, ridiculous, or attacking Putin/Russia, thin about it this way. If someone tried to kill your family member, you would want to catch that person. Do we know if Russia tried to kill this guy? No, there isn’t definitive proof. But we do know, for a fact, that the weapon of choice is a Russian nerve agent. So, even if Russia as a state was not involved, Russians were involved at some point. The weapon came from Russia, which means that someone in Russia got this weapon to the UK. The UK asked Russia how the weapon got here and Russia either said “We don’t know” or refused to cooperate. Now, imagine if someone used a weapon made by me, to try and kill your loved one. You would ask me if I did it. If I said no, you would ask me how my weapon got into the hands of a killer. When I say I do not know, or refuse to cooperate you are going to be angry with me and assume I am hiding something. This is what is playing out right now. If Russia is innocent (logic says that they probably are not) then they should be doing everything possible to prove their innocence and cooperate.
On top of all of that, if you look at this from a neutral (you don’t take sides) and logical standpoint, then Russia is most likely guilty. Someone in Russia wanted this man dead. Maybe it was Putin, maybe it was the state, maybe it was a Russian crime group. We may never know for sure. But, if you think that Putin had no idea that a Russian nerve weapon was being sold, you are naive. Putin would never ignore a volatile weapon like that be managed without his knowledge. Putin is a very smart, and well organized man. If you want to believe that Putin did not know that nerve agent was going abroad, then you most likely just blindly support Putin and believe everything from western media, and the rest of the world, is fake news/propaganda.
There is always a 1% chance that Putin and the state were not involved at all and are shocked. But that would mean that Russia doesn’t have control over its deadly weapons, and that would be very very bad.
I would love to hear, logical and well thought out, unbiased, replies to my comment (just keep it friendly) :)
Tried to kill your family member? You mean like importing Pakistani men to enslave and raping young English girls? Importing diverity to hack off the heads of your soldiers in their own country? But two double-agents, the most dispicable type of low-life, is a concern for May and the anti-English Britian? LOL
You have to clarify what on earth you are referring to. You have to remember that as an American on a site like this, everyone says stuff like this to me, and I usually do not know what they are talking about.
You don’t know much, best to shut your soup cooler.
His comment was top and 10 classes above article.
You are less then his shit.
Well that was not a very nice comment. You have to remember that you people all sound the same. You see an American and yell things like “zionist” or tell us that we drop bombs on people, etc. It all sounds the same. And to be America drops bombs on so many people that I lose track. So I apologize for not understanding your ludicrous, non descriptive, terribly created, message. Also your English is not very good. Keep working on it :)
” And to be America drops bombs on so many people that I lose track.”
Even the US Military has lost track :)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pentagon-spending-800m-lost-track-defense-logistics-agency-dla-report-claims-a8195966.html
All to many Americans have no idea what day it is and US State Dept types are blissfully unaware of the cultures and even the locations of other nations on the globe. For example Austria and Australia.
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/09/05/putin-us-diplomatic-row-expect-people-mix-austria-australia/
Paki men raping young English girls? You just cant stand the thought of some paki doing your lilly white sister then? Thats a crock a sh!t
So you support the mass rape of English girls by rabid Pakistani foreiners? Do I have that right, Ewan?
If Russia wanted them dead, why not do it when they were in Russia? Who benefits? NOT RUSSIA!
This is a good and fair point. I have been thinking about this. I will not say that I, or anyone, has a good answer. If I had to guess, I would guess that this killing was a message. Double agents know, that even if they somehow escape Russia, they are not safe. It makes you think twice before becoming a traitor. No one, in any land, wants to live afraid and looking over their shoulder forever. But that is just my best guess. But seriously good point to think about and discuss!
Russians are not amateurs – if they wanted this traitor dead they could have offed him years ago, strange that they wait just about when things are going haywire i Ghouta and NATO assets are getting wasted.
sure, like polonium, whith which contaminated half london. russians are boors who have muck on their boots
no, it’s the mossad that doesn’t care much about killing goyims to perpetrate its false flags, and western intel agencies do exactly as they are told by them, since they care no more.
A message? Why? Right before hosting the World Soccer Cup? Right. How dumb to you think Russians are? Again, WHO BENEFITS? Think! Think!
Well the UK does not either. So criminal organisation then? Got any suggestions?
Yes, it does. The UK is a Western proxy who wants to influence the Russian election, wants to depose Assad, wants bankers to own Russia and not Russians. Try again.
Another suggestion I have where the UK government would gain from all of this Anti Russian Hysteria, would be the attempt to obtain an EU condemnation of the ‘ nasty Russians ‘ and for the hapless UK Government to then say that ‘ Now is not the time for Brexit as we must join hands with our friends in the EU to halt an attack on us all ‘ .
This would please most of the Conservative and other party politicians and grandees. Together with ‘Britain must again defend Europe’ to gain the approval of the Great Unwashed’. The same bloodstock that have been sent to their deaths for many hundreds of years fighting battles for the wealth of the Ruling Class.
because wanted the exchange.
Your words are wasted here as you utilise the infantile propaganda of our infantile government in the UK that cannot even negotiate Brexit without falling out amongst themselves.
It is customary in a ‘democracy’ for due diligence in a police enquiry and that is why the accumulation of evidence against suspects takes many months or even years.
To state that the Russian government was responsible because an agent developed in the 1970’s that was manufactured and stored stored in Soviet Republic’s, including Ukraine , that gained independence in 1991 is totally crass.
Using the same logic the British Government should be immediately blamed for the war in Yemen that has created 600,000 cholera cases because British made weapons were used bomb the civilian infrastructure of Yemen.
go and hand yourself up, fsb agent! i forward to metropolitan police your comments, that you are ruskie agent.
Twat.
They are only wasted because you chose to believe that every point I made is false. Believe what you want to, it is a free world and I’m happy for you that you that your opinions. There is probably no point arguing with you but I will make a counter point to you now. Two counter points actually.
1. Russia stripped Ukraine of dangerous weapons (not counting things like tanks, rifles, etc). So the only way Ukraine would have been involved, is if someone from Ukraine, not state sponsored, home-made the agent, which seems unlikely but not impossible. So I am not saying that you are wrong, but more that the odds for that seem lower. Why would someone in Ukraine want to kill a person who was against Russia (since Russia and Ukraine are hostile and enemies at the moment)?
2. From what I understood, it is illegal to sell or produce this nerve agent. It is not illegal to sell or produce military munitions, so Britain did not break the law. That was a bad comparison.
The nerve agent was produced in Soviet times when the US and UK also produced nerve agents and some of the Western produced nerve agents were sold or given to Saddam Hussein who was a Friend of the West at the time and who used those chemical weapons against the Kurds and Iranians .
Russia destroyed all the old Soviet chemical stocks WITHIN the Russian Federation Russia in the 90’s.
The rather Silly Theresa May is demanding that ‘Russia’ prove her innocence whilst refusing to provide a sample of the alleged nerve agent.
Cui Bono ? I would suggest its one or all of the following in no particular order :- Poroshenko’s Ukraine, CIA,Mossad, France, UK, Saudi Arabia,Poland.
Ukraine is my personal most likely source as it is a De Facto Failed State ruled over by criminal oligarchs and is being used as a tool to pressure Russia. The use of Ukraine would also provide a plausible ‘deniability’ to NATO if such a truth was exposed. ‘ It must have been a NAZI element wot did it guv , honest, cross my heart and hope to die’.
Russia gains NOTHING from the death or injury of this traitor who was convicted and sentenced to 13 years in Russia and was imprisoned for 4 of those years before being FREELY swapped for Russian nationals held in the USA.
I am not ruling out anyone. I understand that most news sources are biased and no one is going to admit they did it. But some of the ones I have a hard time seeing being guilty are the CIA, Mossad, Poland, or the UK. I say that because they do not seem to have a single thing to gain from what I could tell. Ukraine is someone that I actually could see. I would still guess that the highest odds are it is Russia. Not saying it is or isn’t, but I think Russia seems like the most likely based on what we know. Just to be clear, I do not care who did it. I have no “dog in this fight.”
Curious as to why you think Suadi Arabia would want to assassinate this guy? Thats an odd country to name so I’m interested in your thought process on that one.
Also thanks for discussing like a calm adult. Most people on here are pushing politcal ideas, or getting mad and stuff. Its nice to just chat normally.
the connection to the Trump dossier makes it quite likely it was CIA/Mossad/MI5/6 imo , as well as the timing of it .
Also the alleged use of a ‘nerve agent’ would serve to add credibility to the rather silly accusations of chemical weapons/nerve agents used by Assad and Russia in Syria .
Russia has no reason to attack this man except out of spite and to do so with a chemical weapon plays directly into the fake narrative that the Syrian Army and Russia by default have been using chemical weapons .
Chemical weapons are only effective in a battle scenario if used in large quantities on a large front as in WW1 and the Iraq/Iran war of the 1980’s where Iran was the victim. Chemical attacks that have been blamed on the Syrians have been very limited in size and usually with a handful of victims. Such False Flag terror attacks are instigated by the various US Coalition backed proxy terror gangs commanded by warlords , probably coordinated by the US Coalition ‘specialists ‘ that have been proven to be embedded with terrorists. An Israeli colonel from the Golani Brigade was apprehended with an ISIS gang in Iraq a couple of years or so ago.
There is NO military advantage for the Syrian government to do this. In fact there is a huge disadvantage in doing so as the US Coalition has and is using such allegations to illegally attack the Syrian army. The US narrative supported by very amateur theatrics videos from the UK inspired , trained, paid , equipped White Helmets whose actual medical skills are no better than my cats and who have been proven to fake rescues etc.
Russia has nothing gain from the attack.
The US coalition has everything to gain if they feel its possible to get away with directly attacking the Syrian government , possibly with tactical, low yield nuclear WMD as described in the Pentagon Nuclear Military Posture report a few weeks ago.
The US Coalition has invested hundreds of billions of $ in the totally ILLEGAL war on Syria.
Saudi Arabia has been one of the main financiers in this war against the last secular Arab country in the Middle East and stands to lose the most in prestige and $. It is therefore a short step to suggest that a successful attack on a totally disposable Russian double agent living in Britain, that is hyped up in the media as a ‘Nasty Russian’ attack that should be responded to by the USA would benefit the Saudi’s who are now very short of cash.
We dont even know if this guy was poisoned AT ALL – Where is he? there are no independent verification – only Hysterical British propaganda … all the hallmarks of another NATO false Flag in the making. Others on this forum saw it coming miles away…
we know exactly. only you are primitive undereducated
Russia has agreed that he was poisoned…so he probably was. No one is saying that he was not poisoned.
Yeah …. they’re always fishing out that piccie of Litvinenko on his hospital bed – why none here?
Okay. It’s good to hear the English language is still appreciated somewhere – however, even though the British PM is a she and not a he, think is still spelt with a “k” on the end of it.
If Russia must be involved because the weapon used came from Russia (it didn’t BTW, it came from Uzbekistan) then – and I’m sure you must agree because the logic is the same – then Britain was involved in the assassination of Kim Jong Un’s brother (in law whatever) because VX is made by Porton Down. Yes, the same Porton Down a few miles down the road from where this so-called Novichok event took place. (I could give you many such examples because, although Russia has been certified “destroyed all their chemical weapons” the US and the UK have not. Coulda shoulda – but didn’t.)
And who was primarily involved in ridding the old USSR of their chemical weapons? Why …. Britain’s BFF, the USA! (Sorry, but even the suggestion that they didn’t keep samples of the best cuties for themselves and share them with said BFF is simply silly. ;-])
The UK hasn’t asked Russia. Let me repeat that: The UK hasn’t asked Russia. The UK has made some damning claims in the House and in the Press but hasn’t officially and formally asked Russia for an/any explanation. ….. Why do you suppose that is? Russia isn’t co-operating because Russia hasn’t been asked for their co-operation. What? Must they just send in their forensic teams and experts and demand to be part of a criminal investigation in another sovereign country? …And if they did – would you then accuse them of trying to “take over the investigation” to hide things? To prevent “the truth” from coming out?
“On top of all of that, if you look at this from a neutral (you don’t take sides [thank you for telling me – I didn’t know what neutral means]) and logical standpoint, then Russia is most likely …. NOT guilty. Here’s why:
1. Why would they want to kill an old British spy (who felt so un-threatened by anyone that he lived under his real name) that they gave to the British AS A GIFT eight years ago? Russia took him out of jail, pardoned him – and GAVE him to the British. Jus’ like that. Spy swap. 2. Why would they choose such a dramatic manner to kill an old spy at the height of western Russophobia AND just 2 weeks before their own election AND use an old chemical agent known to have once been developed in the old USSR? That election thingie kinda nails it – they’da waited till after.
And seriously – if for some reason they absolutely had to have him dead then….. At 4 in the morning, a shadow slips into a house. A sleeping man is injected with succinylcholine and the shadow slips away. No-one sees or hears anything. In the morning the man is found dead. Succinylcholine leaves no trace – dissipates from the body within a few hours. (I understand there is a test now that might find traces – but first you have to suspect it was used.)
So he died of natural causes, what’s called “cardiac arrest.” (That means his heart stopped beating. Actually in this instance, he stopped breathing before his heart stopped. That what the stuff does – nasty way to die – you’re fully aware, you just can’t breathe.) Now. Do you think the Really Big Bad Russians – you know – THE KAY.GEE.BEE. – don’t know that? …. The Israelis do. And oh yeah, btw., succinylcholine can be found in any self-respecting hospital with an operating theatre. It’s a ‘general aneasthetic’ drug.
If there is a 1% chance that Russia is responsible for this, there’s a 99% chance that MI6 or CIA or Both are. It’s called a “false flag.” (Must I explain that one to you?)
PS. Yes, chemical weapons are nasty and are used far more frequently than I suspect you know or believe but …. why do expect Russia to have control over any chemical weapons Uzbekistan might have?
HAHAHA, thanks for the good laugh. First of all, who hurt you? Why are you so emotional? You are taking a very attacking tone throughout. Second of all, you certainly are not neutral, so your info is useless. You have provided no proof that anything came from Uzbekistan, and I’m betting even if you did have a link, it was one Russian outlet reporting it. If only one western outlet reported something you would probably say it was fake news, so excuse me for not believing that anything came from Uzbekistan. I’m not saying its untrue. I am saying that I do not believe it. You try and provide reasons for why it was not Russia, however you do not provide reason as to why ti would be MI6 or CIA.
Also thanks for catching my typo, I forgot the K on the end of think. Also, you tried to make fun of my by telling me that you know what the word neutral means. But in the process you failed to realize that I understand most people know what the words means. But there are a lot of non-native English speakers on here. That means that not every single person may understand what the word “neutral” means. I bet you felt so big trying to make fun of me like I was stupid, all the while not taking the time to think about if i had a reason for defining the word or not.
Most of what you said was just spiteful rhetoric spit out but the Uzbekistan comment was interesting. I will do my own research on that part and decide if it is credible or not. It is a free world so feel free to comment back to this if you want, but I will not be reading or responding any more of your comments. I asked for people to respond if they could be unbiased and polite. You were neither of those things. I wish you a good day and happy life :)
no need to go hunting , just follow the link i provided in an earlier comment. I know it’s probably not on the Hasbara approved sites list, but go ahead and read it, you may learn something
My reason for saying CIA/MI6 is this: This was a chemical WEAPON that was used – not some ricin cooked up in a kitchen. It was a “state actor.”
If it wasn’t Russia then who was it? MI6 and CIA are the most likely. Though …. Mossad is a very good possibility too. ALL are known for their assassinations.
It would have been far easy to kill this guy with an injection, a car accident, a passerby with a knife, an errant bullet.
But no – someone wanted to make a very pointy finger obvious assassination attempt and used a very rare, highly commonly unobtainable military weapon. The only one you know it wasn’t is the obvious pointy finger one.
That’s not rocket science and it’s past your bedtime.
Well said my friend.
Thank you. Despite the lack of appreciation I received, I did try.
This is getting very interesting…. (I don’t live in the N/hemi so I c’n call it inneresting instead of scary.)
Mr P gives the world a pre-emptive hypersonic weapons kick Yankee ass speech…. which includes an interesting tidbit about an any-size nuke used on an ally is a nuclear attack on Russia. Now you’d think that would be the end of any delusional plans to attack Russia anywhere but…
•Next day Brussels issues iodine tablets to its ENTIRE population. •Then the waffle waitress tells the UN (and the world) the US is going to go bomb Syria because Syria and Russia WILL NOT stop killing her own private personal terrorists in east Ghouta.
•Next Britain loses what little of its mind it has left and accuses Russia of trying to assassinate a guy the Russians GAVE them 8 yrs ago. •And now NATO is calling that fiasco in Britain a “First Strike Chemical Attack on an Alliance Member!” https://www.rt.com/newsline/421274-nato-nerve-agent-uk/
•Also, Veterans Today published a rather interesting piece yesterday they apparently got from some of those unnamed official sources types.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/03/13/unconfirmed-russia-reinforcing-syria-for-trump-netanyuhu-onslaught/
So…. 1. Is this war? … Are the UK and NATO trying to build up an Article 5 “collective defense” so they can go fix Syria, wipe out Iran, put those pesky Ruskies in their place and Save the World (from Russian Aggression I suppose) … or…
2. Is NATO just looking to increase its member subs ‘cos the US is in bad need of bucks?
War on Syria – May said Russia has an illegal Chemical weapons program in contravention of international law… seems like cassus belli for war on Syria building very quickly
Don’t forget Pompeo, he is a bloodthirsty psycho. looks like they’re trying to speed up the process, probably scared of these new Russian weapons (not yet ready).
….. I noticed Mr Putin didn’t say a word about EW weapons – of the Donald Cook kind.
Things are looking very shaky, don’t you think?
Undoubtably,this recent poisoning incident of a former Russian agent and his daughter in Salisbury bears all the hall marks of a false flag to increase the anti-Russian mood of the British to deflect attention away from the constitutional crisis that we are going through as a result of Angela Merkel,s refusal to give the UK an amicable and workable Brexit deal. In the meantime ,the enemy within has already scuppered hopes of a favourable trade deal between the United States and the UK ,one which Donald Trump had supported before the Scottish MSPs made it quite clear that they were against him even coming to the Uk because of the hate campaign that has been whipped up by the Illuminati- controlled media against him!. The enemy of the true Jews and the principles of jutice,compassion,benign leadership and good governancce have been those enormously powerful Khazarian financiers whose ancestors converted to judaism in the 8th century and who have striven to bring about a New World Order ,hence why they funded Hitler’s National Socialist Party of Germany into power,to bring about the second world war that the 33rd degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite,Albert Pike,predicted in 1871 in his letter to the Illuminati funded revolutionary Guiseppe Mazzinni who turned the Cosa Nossa into the organisation now generally referred to as the Mafia. The civil war in the Holy Land is the consequence of a deliberate policy to foment a ”third and final world war” where the ”whole world will be constrained to support either the Jews or the Arabs” . The plan of the Illuminati bankers is to survive the final world war in underground cities known as ‘Ark Cities’ and then have the remaining human population either killed or chipped. The book of Revelation given to Yonatan the apostle gives us a very clear warning in Rev.13 vs 18 about how the financial system will eventually use the ‘Mark of the Beast’ impanted into peopl’e foreheads and heads for the purpose of buying and selling .The RFID IMPLANT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST and the illuminati bankers are intending to replace the pound ,Euro and the Dollar with a cashless system that uses RFID implants. The Obamacare bill contains the legal provision for the implantation with RFID ”Class B implantable devices”‘of all recipients of health care insurance in the United States and the DHS has been armed up to the teeth for the implementation of this plan. Do not fear,prepare as best you can ,for the day of the Lord is nigh! NEVER accept the RFID chips,even if it means starvation and /or imprisonment or execution. Those who are killed refusing to renounce Jesus and for refusing the mark will be rewarded by our saviour Jesus Yeshua,King of kings as it states in Revelation 20 vs 4.
I’ve seen your comments on here before. You claim that every single event is caused by the west and it seems like you believe that the west has nothing better to do than worry about Russia and the middle east. So excuse me, and others, if we do not take you very seriously.
And for the record, even if the UK staged this (doubtful but crazier things have happened) then they still most likely worked with people inside of Russia. So either way, Russians were involved. But it was a good try and pretending like Russia had no clue and is 100% innocent. I bet you are one of those people who think that Russia and Turkey never kill civs in Syria but the US does every day. Newsflash, everyone of these countries is corrupt and doing bad things.
and you believe otherwise? the West wants goodwill and freedom for all? – you are in bad need of some Noam Chomsky classes.maybe that will clear your vision..
favorable trade deal between US and UK he sez , favorable to whom exactly?
My objection to claims that Russian (horrid) deliberately target and kill civilians in Syria is that the jihadis deliberately place their supply points and command centers in hospitals, keep civilians hostage, and kill civilians who try to take advantage of Russian/Syrian safe passage routes out of the conflict area. These realities are dishonestly ignored as are the simple realities of urban warfare: so-called “surgical” strikes are anything but that and depend on forward observer and weapon accuracy. The Coalition attacks on Raqqah and Mosul caused many civilian deaths but only the Syrians and Russians are said to be indiscriminate and criminal. The U.S. is responsible for the killing in Syria because it refuses to disengage now that it’s regime change strategy has failed. But it won’t do that and so the killing will go on because we still support the jihadi scum.
There are agreed upon ways that the British government has available to handle matters like this poisoning. Their decision not to follow them raises questions about why they’re not:
“He added that a case of alleged use of chemical weapons should be handled through the proper channel, being the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) – of which both Russia and Britain are members.
“As soon as the rumors came up that the poisoning of Skripal involved a Russia-produced agent, which almost the entire English leadership has been fanning up, we sent an official request for access to this compound so that our experts could test it in accordance with the Chemical Weapons Convention [CWC],” Lavrov said. So far the request has been ignored by the British side, he added.
The minister affirmed that Russia has nothing to do with the poisoning of Skripal and would assist Britain in the investigation, provided that London meets its own obligations as to how such probes are to be handled.
The OPCW rules allow Britain in this case to send a request to Russia on the suspected Russian-made chemical weapon and expect a response within 10 days, Lavrov explained. If the response is not satisfactory, Britain would have to file a complaint with the organization’s executive council and the conference of CWC member-states, he said.”
– Russia won’t respond to UK ultimatum until samples of alleged chemical weapon received –
https://www.rt.com/news/421126-lavrov-response-uk-skripal/
It’s a weird story. Why on Earth would any secret service use nerve gas to poison a potential target in order to kill him? What’s wrong with the tried and tested of just putting a bullet into someone’s head? Criminals do it all the time, but that method is too common for secret agents that they have to resort to all sorts of complicated schemes worthy of Tzeench, that can all be easily traced to the country that did it?
It doesn’t make sense. It’s like the UK WANTS to have conspiracy theorists have a field day with this. Unless……. this is exactly what Putin wants us to think. Just as planned…..
Seriously though, I don’t know. This is just too weird.
It looks like it may be a false flag cover up on the part of the British. As I’ve elaborated on in my comment below:
“a case of alleged use of chemical weapons should be handled through the proper channel, being the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)”
Yeah, but those guys might actually say hogwash.
True, but just by following the OPCW protocol, the Brits would have to at least make an effort to come clean by providing samples, etc., which they’re now avoiding. Which only raises questions about their credibility and integrity.
Sergei Skripal, the Russian double agent, was apparently one of the sources for the Steele dossier. This dossier is the basis for the entire investigation into RussiaGate …. the alleged collusion of Trump with Russia during the 2016 election. Sergei Skripal may have been ready to come clean.
Read this article: https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/13/the-strange-case-of-the-russian-spy-poisoning/
Thank you for sharing that insightful article. Taken in conjunction with the statements from the Russian Foreign Ministry about British non compliance with the OPCW protocols, it certainly strengthens the case that this incident is a politically motivated Jew world order false flag attack on Russian nationals. Rather than a Kremlin assassination attempt. Which under the circumstances would be completely non nonsensical on the part of the Russians, and it’s highly unlikely that they’re that stupid.
It’s a weird story. Why on Earth would any secret service use nerve gas to poison a potential target in order to kill him?
why used polonium?
BECAUSE THIS IS MESSAGE FOR ANOTHER TRAITORS.
tsarian russian-soviet-neorussian brutal force method
bullshit again.
If I were to give a message I’d put a pound of lead into his head.
PERIOD.
Bullshittery and wankery like these is false flag shit.
He was pardoned you dumb fuck, they could have killed him back in Russia, not 10 years later, not few days before Russian elections, not with nerve gas. Only braindead imbeciles like you believe in this utter 100% bs. False flag, and an obvious one.
So how come your still breathing?
Sergei Skripal, the Russian double agent, was apparently one of the sources for the Steele dossier, which has now been shown to be pure fiction. This dossier is the basis for the entire investigation into RussiaGate …. the alleged collusion of Trump with Russia during the 2016 election.
Read this article: https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/13/the-strange-case-of-the-russian-spy-poisoning/
Christopher Steele, the author of the dossier, is a former British intelligence officer that was in charge of Sergei Skripal when he was an active double agent, before he was caught by the Russians. They are now best friends.
Sergei Skripal probably knows a lot about all the fabricated content within Steels’s dossier. He may have been ready to talk. That is why someone tried to kill him.
Official UK narrative has NO sense. Zero logic
Victim: not important Timing: just before Russian elections Motive: ???
Russia had no reasons to kill some irrelevant ex-spy (released from Russia), especially not now, especially with ‘russian’ nerve gas (also available in Ukraine, Georgia etc), especially because western MSM produce fake stories about Syrian gas attacks every day. #FalseFlag
British Politicians don’t possess any critical thinking ability so they are easy to fool . Here we have a scene from a Bond film . You know the one I mean. The hero is captive but instead of simply shooting him the most elaborate from of execution is chosen . This inevitably fails, just like it has done here.
All this nonsense shows is the May is a complete buffoon. But we knew this already.
Cui bono. Answer? ISRAEL. A useless Russian spy is sacrificed to make Russians look bad and “evil” at the time of Russian national elections. Yes, this is a classic false flag operation.
The US and England have purchased nerve agents form former Soviet Republics like Uzbekistan and the Ukraine. Clearly a false flag operation. This how the US/Nato treats Russian spies that it has no use or value anymore. Former Russian spies living in England are more useful as a false flag than living the good life at taxpayers expense.
Even the British don’t believe the lies. More to do with stopping Gazprom gas getting to Europe over US Russia is going to poison a man with a type Russia uses. There to smart for that lol
l’accusé sans preuve doit faire la preuve de son innocence ! It is soviet May’s justice !
UK government is America’s bitch doing what they’re told as usual get corbyn in!!
Everyone should hold off on their conspiracy theories until they read this article with link below:
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/13/the-strange-case-of-the-russian-spy-poisoning/
Sergei Skripal, the Russian double agent, was apparently one of the sources for the Steele dossier, which has now been shown to be pure fiction. This dossier is the basis for the entire investigation into RussiaGate …. the alleged collusion of Trump with Russia during the 2016 election.
Christopher Steele, the author of the dossier, is a former British intelligence officer that was in charge of Sergei Skripal when he was an active double agent, before he was caught by the Russians. They are now best friends.
Sergei Skripal probably knows a lot about all the fabricated content within Steels’s dossier. He may have been ready to talk. That is why someone tried to kill him.
When I was a kid in the 80’s war with the Soviet Union was unthinkable. It was something for the movies. A real shooting war with the Russians was something to be prevented at all costs because of Mutually Assured Destruction. Now these dimwitted psychopaths who run the West are full speed ahead towards armed confrontation with a nuclear armed Russia and there’s not so much as a peep from the people who should be concerned with such a life or death matter. To say our leaders in the West have failed us would be an understatement.
How interesting that Salisbury, where Skripal was poisoned, is only about 12 kilometres from Porton Down (the U.K.’s principal research centre for nerve agents).
Two years ago, the Independent reported on new historical research which found that during the Cold War, the British government “used the general public as unwitting biological and chemical warfare guinea pigs on a much greater scale than previously thought.”
Over 750 secret operations had been carried out on “hundreds of thousands of ordinary Britons” involving “biological and chemical warfare attacks launched from aircraft, ships and road vehicles.”
“British military aircraft dropped thousands of kilos of a chemical of ‘largely unknown toxic potential’ on British civilian populations in and around Salisbury in Wiltshire, Cardington in Bedfordshire and Norwich in Norfolk… Substantial quantities were also dispersed across parts of the English Channel and the North Sea.
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-british-governments-russia-nerve-agent-claims-are-bullshit-a69b4ee484ce
Yoh Southfront…. why is PeakyBlinder’s post blocked for moderation? Okay it’s not the most erudite piece of art ever and it’s extremely patronising but it hardly warrants being censored…. perhaps someone downvoted it?
….Should I tell folk here that downvoting posts on Disqus gets them clipped for moderation? :-P
This is so childish! playing games and always blaming Russia!
Are we really going to war over a stupid spy?
Seems pretty petty, a lame excuse to escalate with…
ArchDuke Ferdinand? If they told people the real reason, US/UK oligarchs want to control global oil supplies, nobody would volunteer to die for them.
Good old talmudists at work again. They love lying to the goys so much they can’t tell the truth even accidentally.
How hard is it to copy or manufacture Novochik/Novichok? or a derivative of it? Isnt its components also available in ussr successor countries?
£2,000,000 is the answer. What could be the question? The question is, how much money did the Tory Party UK received from their Rich/Ruthless/Roguish Russian ex pats based in the UK. Yet, when you ask yourself, what is May expected to deliver to these PUTIN HATING Russians in UK, you have to agree that, the Salisbury incident sounds like a good trade off? Don’t you think? i rest my case? This attempted murder case is being used to SILENCE opposing voices who cry out for EVIDENCE.!!