On February 22, U.S. forces blocked a convoy of the Russian Military Police that was conducting a patrol on the M4 highway in northeast Syria.
According to the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), the Russian convoy was heading to the town of Amuda in the northern al-Hasakah countryside when several U.S. armored vehicles blocked the road.
The North Press Agency (NPA) released a video showing the incident. U.S. vehicles can be seen blocking the road, as Russian vehicles pull back.
The last few weeks witnessed an increase in incidents involving Russian and U.S. forces in northeast Syria. Most of the incidents were provoked by the U.S. side.
One of the most serious incident took place earlier this week. A U.S. vehicle pushed a vehicle of the Russian Military Police off a road near the border city of al-Qamishli in northern al-Hasakah for no clear reason.
U.S. forces are apparently attempting to restrict the movement of the Russian Military Police in northeastern Syria. This behavior becomes very clear in the oil-rich areas in northern and northeastern al-Hasakah, where most of the incidents are taking place.
Both Democrats and Republicans in the US government hate Russia. This here is proof, as they are the ones ordering and allowing this shit to happen. Don’t fall for the election lies, they’re all Russophobes.
Wait wait ! What are you saying here…are you suggesting that the Russians did not helped Donald Trump become the US president ???
Oh…I am shocked !
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Here’s the proof:
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That’s the picture that Schiffty wants!
He said Republicans. That’s not Trump. Trump is a Trumpian. Period.
What ? Trump is a Trumpian …? Right… So …whats your point ? I mean, do you have a point or you just wanted to coin a new word …?
Wanted to help you understand the political reality in the US today and how the Republicans can also hate Russia but the Party they used to be is quite happy with Russia for helping inflict us with Moron Trump. And they are at it again also pushing Socialist Bernie so Traitor Trump can win again. Hope that helps.
Am I understanding you right? No matter who will win the USA presidential he will be for sure the Kremlin agent.
No…no it doesn’t…but it looks like you d be better off seeking help your self before trying to offer it to others …cause you are nothing but baloney…
Dude, it is not one person but a team of hasbara PUNK trolls who have posed over 50,000 comments in a single month.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b71d3d3b9e233d789c6d28012ae42777575dae76a04bba6534fd0eada481d97d.png
A lot of truth to that. However, there no longer is a Republican Party. It has been replaced with a Traitor Trump Party.
I can tell you one thing, provoking Russia is not going to end well for either the Americunts or their Turkey arselickers.
What’s the problem? The Russians may just pass around the US-Blockades. As we all know very well the US-Vehicles are simply lost as soon as there is some mud :)
Maybe a nice water tank and anti riot style high pressure hose to fuck with them
No time for that yet…
As the land dry’s in the Spring, I am sure that this will happen.
Driving across farmland in winter creates a lot of damage to farmers production and there is also more chance of vehicles getting bogged down, as happened to the US a couple of weeks ago whan they shot and murdered a 14 year old boy.
Ohh that’s why Russians don’t drive around the American vehicles, so they don’t destroy the grass
You basically have two evenly matched military forces with air support. This isn’t going to end very well if the US keeps it up.
The US is illegally in Syria, with Russia having the superior air defence systems.
You’re still going to have a lots of dead Russians and Americans if conflict breaks out between the two regardless of who has the better air defense system.
One side is legally there. The other, no declaration of war, UN authority or invite to come and invade. Russia knows exactly why they are there and prepared for all scenarios. Can the US cannon fodder say the same and how will Washington DC explain the body bags, coming home? Will they simply state, they are no more than ‘military headaches’ returning home, from a war the people of America were never asked if they wished to be part of?
The US is in Syria with UNSC authorization. And the US, with or without a little support from its local friend, Israel, would have total air superiority and overwhelm any Russian air defense. But let’s hope it doesn’t come to this since WW3 might not be pretty.
You comments are invalid seens you yet again failed to study russian tech,fknut! What the fk do you think it is lgbtq/washington superior breeding,wisen up dork!
Nahhhhhhhh…just the facts of the relative power of current US and Israel power compared to Russia that can quickly be used in Syria. But neither side would test this since it could easily become WW3.
you afraid of a little war? bring it on punk…
“The US is in Syria with UNSC authorization”
This is completely false. Why do you have to lie and try to gaslight everyone?
Check UNSC Resolution 2249 (2015). Authorized the use of “all necessary measures” to fight terrorists in Syria and Iraq. Try to keep up.
And in the resolution it clearly states:
“Reaffirming its respect for the sovereignty, territorial integrity, independence and unity of all States in accordance with purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter,”
That includes respecting the sovereignty of Syria, which the United States is clearly violating. Did you think I was not going to read the resolution? Why do you have to lie and try to gaslight everyone?
Because that’s what trolls do.
Barack obama admitted that there is no way how NATO can defeat Russia. Because NATO is no match for Russia. The only way to counter balanced is for every NATO member to contribute to defence budget for armament. This truth alone made Obama to be hunt by Pompeo and Bolton by ordering Trump to abolish every thing which Obama say or amended. Obamacare,5+1 Iran nuclear agreement and many more.Look at the failed Trump smart bombs which he praised when attacking Syria. All the world threats which Trump claimed is only executed by USA,France and Britain and puppet Erdogan.
So? Totally irrelevant to the legal right of the US to be in Syria to fight terrorism.
Their only legal right is to be in USA border.
And any other place authorized by international law and the right of selfdefense any place in the world where our nationals and national assets and interests happen to legally be.
Which has to be specifically authorized under chapter VII of the United Nations Charter by all voting members of the Security Council. Why do you have to lie and try to gaslight everyone?
Only if requested by UN to help were is needed not were their are involved in terrorism. Clear example Sout Ossetia and Georgia.Darfur in Africa. Not like in Syria and Israel were USANATO overrides UN mandate.
You stupid liar. Lying again. There is no such UNSC authorization. Get it through your braindead skull: nobody here believes your persistent bullshit, you zionist shill.
You are wrong as usual. UNSC Resolution 2249 (2015):
“Calls upon Member States that have the capacity to do so to take all necessary measures, in compliance with international law, in particular with the United Nations Charter, as well as international human rights, refugee and humanitarian law, on the territory under the control of ISIL also known as Da’esh, in Syria and Iraq, to redouble and coordinate their efforts to prevent and suppress terrorist acts committed specifically by ISIL also known as Da’esh as well as ANF, and all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al Qaeda, and other terrorist groups, as designated by the United Nations Security Council, and as may further be agreed by the International Syria Support Group (ISSG) and endorsed by the UN Security Council, pursuant to the Statement of the International Syria Support Group (ISSG) of 14 November, and to eradicate the safe haven they have established over significant parts of Iraq and Syria;”
what the fuck you know about international law.. stop reading out garbage to show us you know.
Obviously, more than you, sport.
The paragraph you cite does not specifically authorize the use of force within the borders of Syria and this is made clear with the clause “in compliance with international law”. Why do you have to lie and try to gaslight everyone?
LOL…what the F do you think “all necessary measures” means? By the way this Resolution was passed by the UNSC and that makes it primary international law.
A resolution is not codified law. You’re taking the statement out of context because it suits your needs. You are incredulously to the core. Why do you have to lie and try to gaslight everyone?
The United Nations recognizes that Assad is the head of the legitimate government of Syria, so your first answer is correct.
In addition the paragraph you cite includes the provision “in particular with the United Nations Charter”. Well let’s take look at the charter with regards to military action:
CHAPTER VII: ACTION WITH RESPECT TO THREATS TO THE PEACE, BREACHES OF THE PEACE, AND ACTS OF AGGRESSION
Article 39 The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.
Article 41 The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.
Article 42 Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.
In order for the use of armed forces to be employed this requires the consent of the security council. Since Russia and China are permanent members, who have veto power, where is the resolution authorizing the use of military force in Syria? Why do you have to lie and try to gaslight everyone?
The Resolution was passed unanimously by the UNSC, including Russia and China. It is the authorization of “all necessary measures” which includes, obviously, military means. Try to focus. But maybe you think that military means we’re not and are not needed to rid Syria of Islamist terrorists. You can be weird. Maybe you really think that.
Read United Nations Charter, specifically Chapter VII. You keep ignoring the fact that the paragraph you cite includes the provision “in compliance with international law, in particular with the United Nations Charter”. Your argument is BS with your own citation. Why do you have to lie and try to gaslight everyone?
The proof is in the pudding. Has any country’s using military means in Syria to oppose Islamist terrorists there ever been challenged at the UNSC in all these years of countries using it as a justification for military action there? Even once? That is were international law is as of now until successfully opposed by vote of the UNSC. Hey, has even Syria made a formal request to the UNSC for US and other forces to leave? And when they do, do you think they would get it passed over the objection of the US, France and The UK? Get real.
Now you’re grasping at straws with these red herrings because your original argument is clearly BS. You know there was no authorization for the use of military force in Syria by the Security Council. The presence of US and Turkish forces inside of Syria violates the UN Charter. Why do you have to lie and try to gaslight everyone?
In terms of the US, I cited the UNSC resolution that calls for the use of military force by members states. You claimed it didn’t do that. I just said that if it didn’t the US being there would be challenged in all this years. It hasn’t been at the UNSC. The simple fact is even Syria recognizes that the UNSC resolution authorized the US to be there. What Assad says elsewhere is just for public consumption and legally meaningless. Turkey is there claiming, besides the resolution, self defense.
“I cited the UNSC resolution that calls for the use of military force by members states.”
No you’ve selectively cited a UNSC resolution ignoring the crucial parts about respect for sovereignty, international law, and adhering to the UN Charter.
“The simple fact is even Syria recognizes that the UNSC resolution authorized the US to be there.”
No they don’t. In fact they’re stating the exact same thing about violations of the UN Charter:
““The United States and Turkey maintain an illegal military presence in northern Syria,” al-Moualem said, describing U.S. and Turkish efforts to create a “safe zone” inside Syria as a violation of the U.N. Charter.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-assembly-syria/syria-demands-withdrawal-of-u-s-turkish-forces-warns-of-countermeasures-idUSKBN1WD0JL
You’ve lost the argument with your own evidence, it’s painfully obvious.
joke 321 is a leper and must be shunned at all cost since he like all lepers are just that lepers and as you know they spread disease.
What were the yanks doing there on that road…they must had sniffed oil or something. Come on Russians … shoot the b”st”rds!!!
More of Putin the meek?
fake news,usa’s located near that oil fied not the present area where assads hitting the antis! All them dead in a jiffy,putins meek allright,certainly not weak,unlike bush,clinton,odummer/cias!
It didn’t look like the Russians and the USA was at the same location.
Absolutely correct. Looks like the story is a load of horseshit.
America will get nuked
By whom? You?
Russia
And Russia would be wiped out. And it would be the end of the world, dodo.
its all for the better… some sacrifices have to be made.. for the good of all..
joke321 is a leper and should be shunned at all cost – he’s not on this or any other thread to contribute witty and intelligent comments but just to cause disorder and chaos. thus lepers like joke321 or ironzion should be shunned since they are contagious.
Whatever you say, Snowflake.
You go bye bye too.
Nah, America will be wiped out as Israel no longer needs it, have you seen those post apocalyptic movies where anarchy and chaos rule? That’s what it’ll look like, although Israelis super state will be the most short lived
the quicker the jews in palestine are off the map, the better it will be for the world. and it it means the jews swimming to safety or being buried 6 feet under pushing up daisies, is of little interest to the world.
Go to it big man.
You are truly a looney toon.
Nah bro, I’m living in the real world. Wake up before it’s too late
That’s what all tinfoil hat Looney toons say.
Eventually yes, either China, Russia or DPRK will get fed up with Americunt scum and Zionist parasites. That is why it is important that Iran test a nuke.
They do and they actually will be nuked if other means don’t immediately end their nuclear weapons attempts. No vacuous threats like you and yours make. Just telling it as it is.
hope so and soooon
You do have a death wish.
Meanwhile SAA are blocking 2 US convoy in Hasaka…
GOOD, block away, SAA has the legal right to be there, the US doesn’t
The US blocks a couple of Russian vehicles on a road, Russia blocks US attempts to sow chaos and discord everywhere else.
In which fairytale?
Nicaragua, Venezuela, Syria,Iran, Pakistan, Afganistan,………
Only one countries military is acting like a bunch of pricks within Syria and they are the ones that act like pricks everywhere else too.
Well also Turkey, and Israel (in the occupied Golan).
Questionable if you could call the rabble of indiscipline that are Turks in tanks a military, but point taken.
I thought you thought pricks were better than pussies.
This is horseshit. No where does it show Russian and American forces in the same area. No way it shows the two confronting each other and the pictures show the Americans in a completely different area from the Russian group. The roads are different . The pasture is different from ploughed fields. The Russians have power lines the Yanks have nothing. This is fake madeup bullshit.
Fake news that ain’y the m4 no way,thats in the oil area where usa remeaned,next ww3 they wished! uk is full of incest spawn wannabe luciferian disinformation punks of the most cowardly kind (period)
Very simple indeed both USA and Turkey has forfeited Putin’s de escalation agreements by violating it.Russia should start enforcing maximum aggression.Because when your agreed mandates ended you cant apply your own wishes.Just like USA and Turkey. Besides all de escalation agreements does not mean you are legally invited into Syria to enforce own desires.Your obligations was to help contain your created ISIS which you USA and Turkey claimed to have defeated.
Blocking Military Police is a serious offense.Because it is not paratroopers. Soon Erdogan will apply the same tactic .
Have a fully armed chopper escort the Russians and when the US wants to block the road the chopper is activated. Conflict between the Yanks and Russia will eventually happen, the Yanks are itching for a fight so Russia may as well give it to them. The result for the Yanks will be a repetition of the Donald Cook incident; they will poo in their pants and then start their hysterical whining, blabbering and sobbing.
the ontologically insecure amerikans—Laing, Giddens, Gorer, Sennet, etc, feminized by the “tyranny of the school m’arm”. Boorstin—the only nation where the father is “vestigial”—Gorer, Horkheimer, boors tin, etc, cannot avoid their self humiliation…is there any surprise that 22 US vets commit suicide each day?
Fine until American Tanks face Russian tanks. Then we’ll see who runs who off the road …
russkie gang should stay away from MARINE ..enjoy vodka avoid sticking to our ass like mosquito, or want slap in like dier e zorr
leper joke321 is active so be aware since he a) he can’t get a coherent thought across and b) never had anything of value to add. lepers to be shunned.
A wee bit triggered, hey, Snowflake?
Why don’t you start the effort. Prove anything I’ve posted is a lie. Others have claimed the same as you but with no proof also.
“Note that Guaidó was reelected head of the democratically elected Assembly even though Maduro prevented him from even getting into the Assembly for the vote.”
Totally false as Luis Parra is now the head of the National Assembly, and it was Guaido’s own party who voted him out:
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/08/final-episode-juan-guaido-surreal-regime-change-reality-show/
“Last week, security forces blocked opposition lawmakers from entering the building for a session to elect legislative leaders. Pro-government lawmakers installed a Maduro ally as leader of the assembly, but Guaidó’s majority reconvened in a nearby newspaper office and elected him to a new one-year term. Maduro’s move was condemned internationally.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/pro-maduro-forces-attack-opposition-lawmakers-as-they-attempt-to-enter-venezuelas-national-assembly/2020/01/15/ad4da520-370d-11ea-a1ff-c48c1d59a4a1_story.html
As an aside, the Maduro goons didn’t have a quorum so their vote was invalid. And when asked who voted for him, Luis Parra said he didn’t know. Under the Venezuelan Constitution, Guaido is Head of the Assembly and legally Prez of Venezuela.
OMG. You cited the Washington Post? Just like the other things they’ve printed, such as Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and Hillary has a 90% chance of winning the election. Keep the gas-lighting coming, it’s hilarious.
OMG…you quoted some obscure site that is a mouth piece for the Kremlin run by a guy who has worked for RT and Sputnik. And is famous for going on all expense paid trips to Russia to meet with Putz Putin along with Trump convicted felon, Mike Flynn. Back your claims with any MAJOR independent news source. I did mine. Your put down of the WP is just silly. And your sure did not prove my post a lie. Try again.
Repeating a lie is still lying and it’s even worst when you have been corrected with actual evidence. Therefore you are just trying to gaslight everyone over and over again.
LOL…just because you say something is a lie, doesn’t make it so. I gave a more recognized and valid source than you have for my position. And even if that source was incorrect that doesn’t make it a lie. And for sure, my citing it doesn’t make me a liar. Try to get the simplest things correct. You still lose.
You are liar and a bad one at that. You can’t be that stupid, so this is by design. Have fun with your delusions.
That is the diversionary and irrelevant answer of a loser.
Here’s an interview about the event from Venezuela from actual Venezuelans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVY6uJM5xE8&feature=youtu.be
LOL…and what percent of Venezuelan electorate are they, did you say? Why is Maduro so afraid of a fair and independently supervised election?
It was the opposition that asked the UN not to send observers and boycotted the vote at the same time, then claimed Maduro’s election was illegitimate. They cause the entire crisis because they CAN’T WIN AGAINST MADURO. I’m done with idiots like you.
Hey sport, there is a difference between observing a rigged election and supervising a fair election. Just observing helps give the illegitimate rigged election some legitimacy. The bulk of international organizations and countries who have given an official opinion on the election say it was rigged and illegitimate. And thus Maduro is NOT the legitimate Prez.
Your meat puppet Guaido is illegitimate and does NOT reflect the will of the people of Venezuela: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6c1a3d88676fc48b065a89b459a96297fb21030e4443967636629526ec1d686.jpg
Not under the Venezuelan Constitution and the opinion of major international organizations and most all the countries who have expressed an opinion. And you have no idea what the will of the people there is until there is a fair and internationally supervised election.
The opposition knows they can’t win an election and it’s the reason for all of this “Kabuki Dance”: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3100adaf33f4efdf9ee09d140bf810ef581167ee376e4d2e606544e9b4fdc043.jpg
If you and your friends are so sure of that, accept the offer of an internationally supervised election. Until then, under the Venezuelan Constitution, Guaido is Prez and Maduro is illegitimate.
Did you not read the above? It was the opposition that asked the UN not to send observers and boycotted the vote at the same time. Maduro is the recognized leader of Venezuela at the United Nations. No matter how many times you click your heals and say “Guaido is President of Venezuela” it will never happen. The meat puppet will never assume power.
Maybe not. But Maduro’s days are likely numbered.
Have another.
seems a like a collage of various video shots…and consider the source! London-based jihadi sympathizers. London loves to saw crap between countries, and this “observatory” is a good tool
Nice projection from a Putz Putin the Poisoner aficionado.
So, after making everything the Truds promissed, to an genuine cluster f…. and ignored or forgot, what to do, and the implementing of previous argeements, witch, what, the dog ate it, huh, or lost down the toilet, and of course by pure acsident, flushed down. Yeah, that one. And now, to make and take the whole situation to new hights, by been an dumbass, and denies reality, witch Yankikes whom dont give an rats ass about whatever then them self, uber alles. Yeah, ZATO in actions, incl in Libya, if any doubts of whom is the traitores to the Libyan people, the GNA, it should be crystal clear, as if you ever have seen an genuine crystal clear, spring, an natural one, it clarity defies reality, its like stones waving in emty air, and like Syria, and Afganistan, the game is over, and the only sane thing to do, and I point solely on the Westernesses, go f…. your self, by all respect. Any Gov that invites the very same scumbags whom destroyed their “own” land, and wacked Libya, whom for the Libyans, semi-nomadic, bombed back to the stone age, and plundered, and now the same scumbags claims they can “help”, the traitores in Tripoli, the GNA, And I dont give an rats ass about whatever you mean about Haftar, despite been an turncoat, or maybe it is true, but you can turn, and hope since I also know He have the peoples represetants as far it can go, in present Libya, behind Him and thats all I need to know, capiche.
So, when thats stated, Syria, again, the rules have changed, imposed by scumbags, whom despite deals, went for protecting their gangs of rotten mercs and an buch of happy head chopping ug… “Moderats”, yeah, and an propaganda machinery kicked up to warp speed, whohaaa, and the ugly truth is, most of it is flat out lies, exagerations, and inveted realitys like every 4 house in northen Syria was an hostpital, yeah, an full blown one, bombed by the Russians, and what, I, dont think the Russians fighter pilots are like the car drivers in side Russia, hehe, I went hoars before I made it to Morscow, in the old days, but the propaganda is way out of line, and of course people move but the images dont reflect reality, and the second fact is, this is the begining of the end of this war, and take the bollocks invented to make this happen and stuff it, becuase, this is an Syrian domain, and nobody elses and nobody else have jack shit to tell the Syrians, because its the Syrians whom have all the rights, in ever direction consivable, period, and so on. Third, and here it is when it becomes intresting, the prospects of war, escalation, yup, just an tiny, itchy bitchy cock up, aka one shoot away, of course unitended, and the barrell goes off, and I am not shure, The Turds will gain much, for an pirce witch to now is not in the overall theater, because, if you have gotten it thru your head, Russians dont have much firepower, as compared to the invading forces, but one thing do we know, the Russians have much better tech and accuracy, beyound belife, and they can go for the center points and pulverise an army from witin to without, and that fast, and so far, they just help the Syrians, with the basics, but the war is won on the ground, never the less and here we stand, the last piece, and suddenly everybody wants to rush in there, yeah, and drools something about protecting the civlians, witch you didnt give an f…. about for 8 years ago to now, they have no shame.
And the same lying MSM, and the very same Politicians whines about racism, rightwinged, white ass nationalist aka Nazis, while the same f…. on the TV is bombing nations back to the stone age and cliams its raining gold, while it tast piss. Fascinating isnt it, we should hang them all, and I bet the day after it would be dead quiet, yeah, even hear the birds in the park. Russian, Turds will pulverise you, and in the Ground, well, of course the air is imprtant, but as long its little that happens up there, the Syrian army and others involved have free range, and of course the ultimate goal is also to not kill your own people, the civilians inside the zone, you cant rush into it, but so far it look good. ZATO is an lame duck, like an diecent fart in an dance floor, while swirling, yup, go home. Then we are left with the real pack of Turds, the AmeriTurds and the Joho Trud pack, both this pack of Turds never learns before been burn, its in their nature, and since intellegence and everything else have declined for decades, incl morale, juuuhustice, and shit like that, in this Assagne times, and the MSM is slowly decaying, day by day, and on top of it, not before it even tuched the ground after been masacred in the first 3 years and now the 4th, Russian is once again, the eh…. Boougie man. Yeah, suddenly, it stuck me, why like old timer Censeler Biskmark, said about the respect of his dogs grew as his despice of the people in the top of their decline, and after having to be force to spend time with this, eh… politicians etc, the respect of His dogs grew, because He was seeing reality and even that, is become like an curse in an ocean of pussys amd political wimps, talks to an quire of castrats, yup, what could possibly go wrong, and even that have happened, Trump. Have an nice day.
peace
You skipped your meds yet again.
Some sources from Telegram say that video was cut. There are 2 observation post of USA and Russia 1 km one from other.
You have a point. The video provides no conclusive evidence of the US blocking the Russian patrol. What it does show is Russian acps which are a lot tougher to run off of the road than Tiger suvs.
The Iraqis need to finish the expulsion process of the NATO Zionists.
I am getting so tired of this… Russia should just take a whole mess of military land vehicles, supported by helicopter and plane protection and just mow the US forces the hell out of Syria already.
At some point those military police vehicles are going to be encountered by Russian tanks. Believe me there’ll be no pushing and shoving on the roads once they show up.
Belaz 75710 painted in Russian Army Green would soon shift all the Yank tanks out of the way… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=638zMKTb4WI