Ukraine’s Puzzling Enthusiasm In Inviting U.S.-Led Nuclear War On Its Territory

You can call it whatever you want. But the fact is NATO planes are flying in Ukraine, Ukraine does want them there, and there is no one who can do anything about it

The coup leaders who are in charge of Ukraine want that.

didn’t they have elections 2 times?

You are very wrong about that! US was convinced that after investing billions and staging color revolution that they have won! Than Crimea has happened and Donbass afetr that ! If Ukro-NAZI’s and US – NATO continue with their bullshit Russia will liberate their population in South Eastern Ukraine and take all Black sea coast including Odessa all the way to bordering Kiev on north !

Exactly. You are finally getting it. This is why Ukraine wants bases in its territory. Since the Budapest memorandum is down the drain, gotta move to actions instead of simple promises.

You are snake as usual ! If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine they would do that long time ago! But if you sons of bitches keep pushing you will get what you deserve no doubt about that !

And Those Western Ukrainians also will receive what they deserve also ! Nobody will terrorize ethnic Russians in Ukraine any more, just keep pushing your provocations you pigs !

Exactly, Russia wanted and did invade Ukraine long time ago. Hence why Ukraine is trying to make sure Russia can’t get more. A NATO presence is an ideal killer of Russian desire. Look at Baltic, not a single bullet. Do some in Kremlin want Baltics, sure, does anyone have balls? nope, none, nada

Or, maybe Russia just isn’t interested in the Baltics. You some kind of expert on the Kremlin, or something ? Ukraine, too I suppose ?

Me? Expert? noooo. Just vlad calls me every day to report

The Donbass was the first. Declared independence. Crimea has more strategic value with the port, Navy base, and now bridge. US Government is all over Ukraine, like 7 new bio-weapons labs, military base, arms to Ukraine’s military, Russia arms The Donbass, CIA, puppet Government, the usual bag of dirty tricks. Jacob Rothschild is more hands on in Ukraine, because baby that’s Khazaria. Because he hates Russia, more now than ever before. Putin told Rothschild owns to his face Russia will have no part in the Globalist agendas, and will take steps to stop the Globalist advance. Which Russia has. Dropped Central Bank as it’s reserve bank, repaid it’s debt in full, and paid off the debt of some neighboring countries that same day. (August 2016) Declared Jacob Rothschild and George Soros persona non grata in Russia. Issued an arrest warrant for Soros. Snatched Crimea away from the Cabal (legally, and without firing a shot) made it self-sufficient again, smoothed out the transportation. The common border with Russia isn’t working out so well as it was thought. Appears Ukrops, are as brainwashed as ‘Mericans, anyone that still somehow believes US Government’s nose stuck in one’s country is anything but sheer terror, and tyrannical totalitarian dictatorship, after standing by watching country after country destroyed is either brainwashed, (it’s more powerful than you can imagine) or just plain stupid, mentally ill, drugs can’t get one that high.

Crimea has more strategic value with the port True and by far more important value ! But with these B-52’s flying not far from Russian border Russia needs more space between her territory with strategic missile silo’s on south and Ukraine. NATO by pushing ever more with strategic weapons near the border is forcing Russia to reconsider her decision about Ukraine and not only about Donbass but all Russian speaking part. Americans are planing to build military naval port next to Russia and by doing that they are forcing hand of Russia ( again) to take care that they can not build anything close to Russian border . And only option left to prevent them is to expand Russian borders onto Ukrainian territory. South eastern Ukraine (Russophone) will become that bordering region separating US-NATO from Russian strategic military targets which are too close to the Ukrainian border

Ukraine Russophone https://electrodes.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/ukraine_langues_parlees_cefan_jacques_leclerc_2014.gif

You blacklisted me because NATO planes flew in Ukraine?:))) God bless you mate.

Not because of that but because you are talking propaganda about NATO bases! No country has right to install NATO bases if not member! All other NATO bases that are built are part of invasion and occupation !!

What are you on about? Any country has a right to put base of whoever they want. As long as they both agree on that, there is no law that prohibits it. That is not a propaganda, its a fact. Syria can have a Russian base, Qatar can have a Turkish base, Djibuti can have a Chinese base, Ukraine has have a US base. What is the law that prohibits it?:)))

NATO is NOT COUNTRY you idiot !!! Fuck off now!

no it isn’t, neither is CSTO

WTF has CSTO anything to do with that?!! Fuck off MORON ! There is nothing constructive coming from you just provocations and bollocks! You are like that idiot “bacon”! FUCK OFF !!!

what does NATO not being a country have anything to do with it?:)))))

You’re a most pitiful troll. You can’t even stick with the Western narratives you’ve been programmed to parrot. There’s a US military base in Ukraine for the single reason, (something completely foreign to your alleged mind) US is the occupying force in this country. US military occupies Ukraine at the direction of The City of London. Not US Government, not Israel. Both are owned by The Zionist Khazar criminal Banking Cabal, at The City of London. Ukraine and the region are of special interest to the Cabal. It’s quite simple really.

Sure

You are also full of shit!

Camp Bondsteel is the result of NATO aggression on Serbia-Yugoslavia and their occupation of Kosovo !

not really, that was established before Kosovo was established making them unable to decide whether they wanted the base or not. so the base is more of an occupational force. I am talking about the point of establishment, im not sure if they ratified it later or not

it sure will

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yes, bad. very bad. bad boy

Also true, but the ball is in Russia’s court on that one. I predict the US will just pour troops into the Ukraine and dare the Russians to do something about it, just like in Syria.

In Syria the U.S. is losing and Ukraine is right at the Russian border, perfect location for defense…

Yes, and for WW3 . Good luck with that.

Its not Russia that is pushing for WWIII,they bent over backwards to avoid it, but the U.S. just keeps pushing for it.

You are correct as I’ve been saying this for a long time now. For whatever reason, the ZioAmericans dont seem to be scared of the possiblity of war, Its perplexing. One theory is that they have some type of secret weapon. Another theory is, that this is all just well orchestrated theatre.

You think the USA is immune to nuclear missiles then!

Another Star Wars believer, lol.

500 troops in Syria, out of 2 million US military?

Hardly pouring troops there is it. Everyone of those troops knows his nation will do jack shit when the Iranians fire a few missiles against them though. That would explain the US troops all claiming headaches, so as they can get themselves out of there. FFS, 4 more went sick with head injuries after they bumped into a BTR-80 ffs.

Unfortunately, all you did is state a bunch of opinions unrelated to anything I said. Those 500 ” measley ” troops have prevented Turkey, Russia, Iran, and Syria from entering the Syrian lands that they occupy. So who cares if its 500, 5000, or 50000 ?

Turkish, Russian, Iranian and Syrian armies are all there you muppet, didn’t you see the pussy Yanks trying to crash into the Russian BTR-80, or are you just being an embarrassing troll butthurt that the Yanks did fuck all to the Russians who brushed them aside like the silly little buggers they are!

Iran bombed the US bases in Iraq, and what did the Yanks do for that!

FUCK ALL. Cowards who know when they meet superior troops.

Nope. I am saying, if 2 countries didn’t delimitate borders woth each other, it doesn’t mean they don’t recognize each other as countries. Maybe Ukraine won’t join NATO, but few bases here and there would be mutually beneficial.

If you read my comment, you would notice I stated that borders are recognised whilst Russia, Belarus and Russia are members of the CIS. Meaning, the three recognise each other whilst partners of the CIS. Now what happens when Ukraine leaves? Bearing in mind the borders will be a priority.

With regards NATO bases here and there being beneficial? How do you work that one out when Russia will have completely run out of patience? There again, you no doubt believe having 15 US Bio-weapon labs, with full diplomatic immunity, on Ukrainian territory is also good for Ukraine? Remind me, how many viruses, that were long ago erased, turned up in Ukraine, when the bio-weapon labs turned up? Why were they advertising for Russian DNA? Was Navalny a factor in the need for Russian DNA and dodgy chemical reactions?

You mean leaving CIS delegitimizes a country? or CIS countries don’t delimitate borders with each other? You are thinking USSR, but that is a goner, has been a while. Sovereignty of countries is not bound by “patience” of Russia (full of itself much?:))). Russia can take a hike as far as NATO is concerned. We saw such attitude in Balkans, Iraq. We don’t see Russia moving towards NATO borders but opposite. But to be fair Russia does draw red lines like in Georgia and Ukraine, but stil that puts Russia on defensive and NATO on offensive. And guess because of those conflicts, what do once friendly Georgians and Ukrainians feel about Russia? Its all a game, where defense will make you lose in a long run. FYI I am not even talking about what is fair and what is not. You seem smart and I am sure you know that geopolitics couldn’t care less about fareness. But it does care about international law, power, cost/benefit. Right now NATO feels powerful and in line with international law to do it, hence they do it. All these conpiracy things about DNA and stuff, we can talk about when it becomes facts. But I like conspiracies, they are funny. Here is another funny one for you. -What was the poison used on Navalny? -Sputnik5 vaccine:))))

What are you on about?

What was it Ban Ki Moon stated, when talking to UK Government funded Channel 5 News, about the borders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus never been ratified, in accordance with international law, since the fall of the Soviet Union, back in 1991? Ukraine ratified their European borders, but, not their Russian borders.

Remind me, how much territory was Ukraine given by Bolshevik Communist Party Leaders, post 1917, that belonged to Russia?

u evaded the questions mate

Like I said, I have no idea what you are on about. The Commonwealth of Independent nations came about after the fall of the Soviet Union. However, I have repeatedly stated the borders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus only being recognised whilst all three are members of the CIS. The reason why Ukraine could not join NATO back in 1997. The reason they can neither join NATO or the EU now.

You waffle on about territory without borders and how do you recognise the territory. Which was nought to do with my original comment. Just one of the 5 D media Disinformation rules.

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What happens when Ukraine comes out of the CIS and borders return to pre-1917 times? As stated, it does not concern the EU borders, as they have been ratified.

Ok ill clarify with examples. 1. Can the countries while in CIS, delimitate borders with each other? For example can Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan demark/delimitate borders with each other, while being in CIS at that time? 2. If a country decides to leave CIS, does the country cease being a country? For example, can Turkmenistan leave CIS and still be a country with its borders and sovereignty?

When a country leaves the CIS, does it cease being a country?

Where have I stated anything like that, by stating the fact that Belarus, Ukraine and Russia have not ratified their borders, in accordance with international law, since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. Pre-1917 borders. Now remind me, but, I do believe Ukraine, Belarus and Russia were all sovereign nations, prior to 1917. Just Ukraine was a lot smaller and Russia a lot bigger.

With regards the other members of the CIS, I did not mention them or their borders, specifically focusing on Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, as pointed out.

It was you that decided to bring discourse into the comments, was it not?

If after leaving CIS a country is still sovereign as it was during the membership, it has a right to negotiate a foreign base as it wishes. Same way Ukraine negotiated a Russian base in Crimea (non of US business), and the same way US base in Ukraine (non of Russia’s business) Russia has recognized Ukraine’s territorial integrity in 1991 by Belavezha accords and in 1994 Budapest memorandum. So whatever was in 1917 has no legal power now. If we are talking about CIS and what legally happens when country leaves, then other central asian countries are relevant. If we are talking about Belarus, Russia and Ukraine only, than CIS is irrelevant. You cannot cherry pick to who general rule applies to who it doesn’t:))) Waiting for your response.

The borders were Never Ratified in accordance with International law, between Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. Only acknowledged whilst three are members of the CIS. Ukraine wishes to leave, which means the borders become a priority concern.

The reason why NATO could not accept Ukraine in 1997.

Budapest Memorandum, 1994, have you read it? If so you would have noticed Article 3, which the US has admitted violating, together with Article 5. Which gives Russia the right to defend her people, wherever they may be, from assault from either a nuclear or non-nuclear nation

If you read John Major’s Prime Minister UK classified papers, from 1994, which have been released, you will find out exactly why Clause 5 was put in the Memorandum and the UN Non Proliferation Security Treaty of 1994. Which Sergey Lavrov signed for Russia, John Major for the UK and Bill Clinton for the US, along with Ukraine’s UN envoy at the time. When reading those papers, it is interesting the concerns the UK and US had, regards Ukraine’s stupidity and arrogance.

Now what was it Ban Ki Moon said with regards Ukraine Without Borders?

What r u on about? Both the 1991 Belavezha Accords and in 1994 Budapest Memorandum were ratified by both of the countries.

How do you ratify a Memorandum? Have you ever read the Memo? If so, you will know about Clause 3 and Clause 5.

Clause 3 – Ukraine was not to be coerced. Victoria Nuland, 2014, bragging about the $5 billion the US gave Ukraine to think the US way.

Didn’t Soros, invited by Christia Freeland’s mother, help her write the Ukraine Constitution, after the fall of the Soviet Union?

Article 5 of the Budapest Memorandum, states Russia has the right to defend her people, wherever, if under attack by nuclear or non-nuclear nations. The reasoning behind the precise wording is explained in the classified papers of the UK Prime Minister John Major, back in 1994. They were released a couple of years ago.

Belovezha Treaty, does it mention the borders? The accords states the Soviet Union no longer exists. Goes into the Commonwealth of Independent Nations, signed by the Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine and do those accords state that whilst the three are members of the CIS they will recognise the borders? Why does Groundhog Day so come to mind?

Article 3: when and by whom was this “$5 billion”, that – according to you – “Victoria Nuland bragged” about, given to Ukraine? Does that (an honest answer to the question) look like “coerced”? And then about that “help”, even if true, what is the problem when a private person advises a government and that government is fully free to ignore the advice?

Article 5: Has Russia at any moment been “under attack by nuclear or non-nuclear nations”? Wasn’t the Budapest memorandum about security assurances for Ukraine, after giving up its nuclear arms? Which state dis not respect Ukraine’s integrity and breached the memorandum, by illegally annexing a piece of land of Ukraine and instigating and actively supporting a war in the east of Ukraine? Groundhog day. Yes it is.

Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt, in the ‘FU EU’ phone call. Truth Seeker, ‘What They Are Not Telling You About Ukraine’, covers Victoria Nuland and her press conference, bragging about giving Ukraine $5 billion, to think the Project Israel aka US way. History of Vicky and friends: She is one of the Board of Director’s of the NED. Victoria Nuland, wife of Robert Kagan, who along with the US Ambassador to Venezuela and now Iran and Billy Krystal, set up the Project For New America.

Now remind me about Elliot Abrams history with Iran? Another Ambassador who sits on the Board of the Government Funded NED, along with Nuland and Anne Applebaum. Applebaum who also sits with Bill Browder, over in Integrity Initiative, the ‘Think Tank’, funded by the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office. Anne Applebaum, wife of the sacked Polish Foreign Minister, Radoslaw SIkorski, who stood in for Catherine Ashton, the EU Foreign and Defence Agency Head, when Yanukovich stood down and signed the agreement, the EU witnesses, before his alleged assassination attempt. Why does the NED run in parallel with Soros Open Society Foundation, where regime change is concerned?

Remind me, but, were the nuclear missiles, Ukraine stored on her territory, the personal property of Ukraine or the Soviet Union?

Did Ukraine have the carriers and codes for those missiles?

How much money did Ukraine receive to no longer store Soviet owned nuclear missiles?

How much money did Senator Obama, in 2006, give Ukraine, to hand over their domestic weapons? Why did Ukraine happily give them up, for a suitcase full of $US when still whinging at the loss of her Soviet nukes?

What was it John Major, UK Prime Minister, 1994 Classified Papers, have to say about the stupidity and arrogance of Ukraine? Besides mentioning why they would lose Crimea to Russia? Why did the UK and US demand precise wording in the Budapest Memorandum 1994 and UNSC Treaty that went with it, concerning Article 5? They had no intention going into a nuclear war with Russia, owing to Ukraine. Article 5 stating that Russia can defend her people (novorussia/Eastern Ukraine and Crimea at the time) from assault from nuclear or non-nuclear nations.

Why is Ukraine desperate for Russia to come and invade Ukraine? Is it because this will allow NATO to come and protect Ukraine against superior Russia?

Why won’t Russia invade Ukraine? Is it because she is an expert with regards the ‘cac and cannot’ of international law?

US used self determination on 4 July 1776 to gain independence from Great Britain.

NATO used self determination to justify invading Kosovo. NATO Final Report:. Kosovo in an International Law Perspective; Self Determination, Territorial Integrity, NATO Interpretation.

BREXIT, Falkland Isles Referendum, Scottish Referendum, alluded self determination argument.

Yalta, Crimea, Russia back in 1944, Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt met, to discuss demilitarisation of Germany, denazification of Europe and setting up the United Nations, based on self determination.

United Nations Charter – based on self determination.

1970 United Nations Resolution 1625/25, states the argument for self determination.

March 2014, the third referendum the people of Crimea took, inorder to use self determination to return to Russia. Referendum 1991, they were ignored. Referendum 1994, Ukraine said NO, which led to the Independent Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

2014, people of Donetsk used self determination to set up Independent Autonomous Federation of Donetsk. Ukraine said no, which led to the civil war. Nought to do with Russia, despite Ukraine needing to blame Russia, in the hope of attracting officially help from NATO, concerning defence.

Even Ukraine’s leading General, back in 2014 stated there were no official Russian Forces in Ukraine. Friends and relatives visiting, but, no official Russian Forces.

Blah blah blah. The usual propaganda and distraction. Your 5D’s, hants.

No such statement [as claimed by you] was made by Ban Ki-moon. In 2003 the presidents of Ukraine and Russia mutually recognized their land boundaries. In 2004 this treaty was ratified by the national parliaments.

Victoria Nuland referred to the [sum of all] donations since 1991; so beginning THIRTEEN years before the Budapest Memorandum and TWENTY THREE years before “Maidan”.

The “referendum” and subsequent annexation of Crimea was illegal, as a.o. concluded by the Venice Commission of the Council of Europe, of which Russia is a member.

Facts, hants.

5D media Disinformation Script that the following sign up for:

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All the above funded by the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office, to demonise Russia. Now what do other Governments, NATO and EU Think Tanks also fund on the same subject?

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Now, with regards what I say:

Is Victoria Nuland married to Robert Kagan? Yes or No?

Did Victoria Nuland have a telephone call with US Ambassador to Ukraine, discussing concerns about the EU and using inflammatory language? Yes or No?

Did Victoria Nuland brag about the US spending over $5 billion on Ukraine, to manipulate Ukraine aligning with US thought process, back in 2014? Yes or No?

Does Victoria Nuland sit on the Board of Directors in the NED?

Is Anne Applebaum married to Radoslaw SikOrski?

Is Anne Aapebaum a member of Atlantic Council, Integrity Initiative and sits on the Board of the US Government funded NED?

Was Elliot Abram involved in war crimes concerning Iran in the 80s?

Does Elliot Abrams sit on the Board of Governors of the NED? Yes or No?

Is Elliot Abrams now the Ambassador to Iran and the ex-Ambassador to Venezuela? Yes or No?

Did Elliot Abrams set up PNAC with Robert Kagan, husband of Victoria Nuland and Billy Krystal?

Did NATO use self determination to invade Kosovo? Yes or No?

Did the UK need self determination to hold BREXIT, Scottish Referendum and Falkland Isles Referendum? Yes or No.

Did the US use self determination to gain independence from Great Britain? Yes or No?

Did Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill meet up in Yalta, Crimea, Russia to discuss the demilitarisation of Germany, denazification of Europe and setting up the UN, based on self determination? Yes or No?

Is the UN Charter based on self determination? Yes or No?

So please little Bruno, tell me what part of my comment is based on:

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???

Do yourself and the world a favour, check the facts.

I have darling.

Notice you have not answered yes or no to the questions. Not that I was expecting you to.

If Crimea Referendum was illegal than so was America’s Independence on 4 July 1776. Together with NATOs invasion of Kosovo and BREXIT, Scottish Referendum and Falkland Isles Referendum.

Council of Europe -seriously?

Even the UN vote could Not side with Ukraine. They never got the figures in 2014 now did they? Why can’t they go back for another UN vote on Crimea? Is it owing to getting even less support?

You have just reminded me of the argument, brilliantly explained over on The Duran, why Ukraine cannot risk another UN vote on Crimea.

Ban Ki Moon, Channel 5 News, funded by the UK Government was quite articulate explaining Ukraine and Russia have not ratified their borders, back in 2014. Just because you missed it, does not mean he never stated the facts on a UK Government funded, news programme.

Council of Europe seriously! Russia is a member, hants. How long did it take to organise that Crimean “referendum”? Did I miss “Ban Ki Moon’s statements on Channel 5 News, funded by the UK Government”? Ah… you saw it, recorded it, and now are going to show it to me. Thanks in advance.

Council of Europe Council of Europe aka Pace that denied Russia a voice or vote, so Russia walked, cheque book closed. Who ended up begging Russia to come back?

Riddle me this: Does the Council of Europe have more or less power than the UN?

Vote whether Crimea had the right to use self determination and return home to Russia; over in the UN, back in 2014.

100 out of 93 voted with Ukraine, with no knowledge of the history of the UN Charter or meaning of self determination. 51%/49% result.

11 voted with Russia.

82 abstained or refused to vote.

To win a vote in the UN, you need 126 votes or 2/3. Crimea vote, 100 disagreed, around 51%. 49% agreed with Crimea and including in 49% those who abstained and those who refused to vote.

Thanks for illustrating some of your 5 D’s. “D” for deny, “D” for discredit, “D” for distract.

Did I deny Council of Europe aka PACE, refused to allow Russia to vote or have a voice? How does replying to your comment, with regards the Council of Europe deny or discredit the subject?

Could not be bothered to read the rest of your 5D salad.

Vicky happily bragged about what she expected from that $5 billion.

What does the 1994 Budapest Memorandum state about coercion?

Donated since 1991. There wasn’t any “coercion”. How much had Russia donated over the same period of 23 years?

The whole $5 billion was not donated in 1991? When did Soros to turn up to write the new Ukrainian Constitution?

As Vicky states, ‘we spent $5 billion getting Ukraine to see things our way’.

Coercion, however you look at it.

Your distortions and repetition of nonsense and lies are boring. Facts, hants.

Gave you facts. Now which questions do you disagree with and prove are wrong?

No, you gave no facts. You gave claims which are not true, in other words, lies.

I asked questions, which relied on a yes/no answer, you could not be bothered to supply.

Questions based on published facts.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, Bruno Boredom does it again. Wonderful for insomnia.

Questions? What questions? I saw some irrelevant bullshit questions. Where is your proof for the “not ratified” Ukrainia-Russia borders? Where is your proof for what Ban Ki Moon has said on your “Government funded” TV?

It is there, you would have read it if you wished. Does not bother me, just nice to have it their should others be interested.

Donated since 1991, a period of TWENTY THREE years.

What was it Vicky Nuland said about giving $5 billion to Ukraine, for them to come round to the $US way of thinking? Not forgetting the Cookie Monster and her basket of goodies.

No she has not said that. I gave you the exact words. Don’t sound like “coercion”, however you look at it.

You gave me the exact words? No Bruno darling. I listened to the video of what she said at a State Department Press Conference, back in 2014. A video I used to share a lot and happily viewed, with horror, several times.

Now remind me how a 77th Squadron/General Harding Pirn Squad/Belingcat/WhitecHelmet/Statecraft/Integrity Initiative/Open Information Partnership Troll works? What is the 5D Programme you and your mates run with?

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Yes I did, but I know you have a reading and a hearing problem. So here it is again

“Since Ukraine’s independece in 1991 the United States have supported Ukrainians to build democratic skills and institutions as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are pre-conditions for Ukraine to achieve the European aspirations. We have invested over 5 bn dollars to assist Ukraine in these goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous democratic Ukraine”

5 Billion since 1991. No coercion.

Bragging what US gave Ukraine and what was expected in return. Coercion

“Bragging”? About giving peanuts? 5 billion over a period of TWENTY THREE years. “Bragging”. LMAO

“THE HAGUE (Reuters) – More than 300 relatives of victims who died when a Malaysia Airlines passenger plane was shot down in 2014 will seek unspecified damages from four suspects being tried in the Netherlands”

You mean courtesy of the non-nuclear proliferation agreement and being ordered to provide Ukraine for her loss of stored Soviet missiles? Remind me, was the US part of the Soviet Union and part of post Soviet divorce? Ukraine benefitted from $100 billion a year from Russia. Trade, leasing Sevastapol and cheap gas, courtesy the Soviet Divorce Agreements of the day. Were they ever grateful? Did Ukraine do anything to prepare for independence?

By the way, there was a lot of controversy with regards the legality of the Belovezha Accords, was there not? Wasn’t it the Alma-Ata Protocol that had more clout and got rid of Gorbechev?

Where did you get this “borders never ratified” nonsense from?

Ban Ki Moon – UN, Channel 5 News Interview, believe in 2014. Channel 5 News, heavily reliant on UK Government funding.

Believe Stewart Dale wrote a Thesis, based on Russia Ukraine 1997 Friendship Treaty. Summary, page 60 of the agreement shows that Yeltsin never signed off the borders. His excuse was illness prevented him going to Ukraine. Sevestapol was signed off, but, the borders were not touched on. Also, it suited Ukraine, at the time who were happy not to sign off the borders.

No such statement was made by Ban Ki-moon.

In 2003 the presidents of Ukraine and Russia mutually recognized their land boundaries. In 2004 this treaty was ratified by the national parliaments.

Oh yes it was and broadcast to the nation.

Never. Where did you get this nonsense from?

Channel 5 News, 2014.

“Channel 5 News, 2014”? Reported about the illegal annexation of Crimea? Or about the downing of a Boeing in eastern Ukraine by a Russian BUK? Or about the weather in Hampshire?

Darling, Ban Ki Moon stated about Ukraine Without Borders before MH17. Remover, Crimea voted in March to return home to Russia. MH17 had nought to do with borders. Well, apart from the fact the plane was meant to go down over the Russian border. Ukraine could not even get that right, now could it?

Was Ban Ki Moon on your TV? About borders? And you recorded it? Please show it

Why should I record it? Find the clip yourself.

It is nowhere.

Ukraine Without Borders – only recognised whilst part of the CIS.

Nonsense.

2004 Ukraine and Russia signed SES (Single Economic State) also known as the Eurasian Economic State,. A single market which provided freedom of people, goods and services within the Eurasian Economic Union.

So?

20 April 2004 — The Russian and Ukrainian parliaments today ratified two bilateral agreements to solve a standing border dispute and create a single economic zone.

The votes in both legislative chambers — Russia’s State Duma and Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada — were overwhelmingly in support of the measures.

As. I have stated borders are only recognised whilst nations remain in CIS and the SES. Didn’t the EU believe they would have access to Russian markets, using Ukraine’s membership of the SES and were rather cheesed off when Russia said ‘NO WAY’.

Ban Ki Moon, Secretary General UN, at the time stated on UK Government funded Channel 5 News that Ukraine and Russia had never ratified their borders in accordance with international law. Back in 2014, I believe the interview took place.

1997 Russia Ukraine Friendship Treaty, which Poroshenko tore up, states the reasons why Yeltsin and Ukraine President never signed off the borders.

Now have you read the transcript of the Single Economic State, the CIS members Russia, Ukraine and Belarus signed, with regards free movement of people, goods and services, back in 2004?

Create a Single Economic State to provide free movement of people, goods and services.

As stated the borders are only recognised whilst the three nations (Belarus, Russia and Ukraine) are members of the CIS. Why was the EU fuming when they could not gain access to Russia, using Ukraine’s position in the SES?

Ukraine isn’t going to join NATO, EU, or anything Western. The West does not desire Ukraine. The Zionist Khazar criminal Banking Cabal, desires Ukraine, the Cabal doesn’t desire the people. They’re essentially Russian, and the Banking Cabal hates Russia. There is nothing mutually beneficial, or any other kind of beneficial in US military occupying any country anywhere.

sure thing

Yes and Russia can invite another country to build a base if they want. Law works for everyone.

Bekka valley runs down the center of Lebanon. there is a mountain range forming the Syrian side of the valley so aircraft can fly down that valley in Lebanese air space avoiding radar coverage from Syria then pop up to launch missiles and glide bombs then escape.

Russia used to tolerate Israeli operations adjacent to Latakia on the condition that Israel gave advanced warning so the Russians could keep their aircraft out of harms way. Israel failed to warn the Russians once and a Russian surveillance aircraft ended up being shot down by Syrian air defences.

Russia put a stop to them using that air space after that and now the Israeli’s attack down the Bekka valley. The Israeli’s seem to enjoy that because their aircraft are relatively safe however it limits the scope of their operations.

Just to head off the response that I know is coming. Russia remains neutral about Israels beef with Syria / Iran. They’re in Syria for a specific mission and IMO they are smart to limit mission creep by not getting between Israel and her many enemies. Russia has honoured all UN sanctions against Iran.

The gave Syria the best air defences they can afford and after that they are on their own. If the Israeli’s were to get between Russia and her objectives in Syria I suspect that may change.

Thanks for the clarification. The Aleppo was targeted by Israel more recently than that incident.

Aleppo is only about 20 miles from the Turkish border. Israel could easily strike Aleppo from Turkish air space. Turkey also flies F-16’s so an F-16 over Turkish air space wouldn’t be anything out of the ordinary. presumably Israel also struck at Al-Mayadeen … another town along Syria’s border

Israel never claimed responsibility for those air strikes btw but were all pretty sure it was them and no one from the SAA has given me the location of Syria’s air defences so I have no idea what assets Syria had in Aleppo or Al-Mayadeen at the time.

Turkey would never agree to allowing Ziostan to use Turkish airspace to attack Syria. That would simply be a bridge too far for Sultan Erdog.

Not really ,Russia did not give the Syrians the Best S400 s nor does protecting Syria from Israel mean mission creep. Did n’t russia promise knocking out ALL planes over or lose to Syria when its surveillance plane was shot down? So Netanyahu goes on bended knee and russia forgives? Not good enough .

“Not really ,Russia did not give the Syrians the Best S400 s nor does protecting Syria from Israel mean mission creep.”

Not to be argumentative but back in 2015 I don’t recall Putin or Lavrov say anything about defending Syria or Iran from Israel or fighting the USA or their allies for hegemony over the ME.

They had very specific objectives that stated they intended to support Assad until the war ended and an election held (Putin’s “If not Assad then who” statement) and to insure the 25,000 Russian passport holding terrorists fighting in Syria didn’t return home or spread their cause to Central Asian republics.

As much as I find Israeli attacks on Syria distasteful they don’t substantially affect the SAA’s ability to free up Syria or Russia’s mission in Syria. Pulling Israel into a wider regional war would affect both significantly … especially as Russia would have to bring in a much larger force to deal with Israeli’s and potentially US involvement if they actually started shooting down Israeli jets.

The tiny force Russians have in Syria today would be overwhelmed in hours if Israel and the USA decided to full on attack the Russians in Syria. Even the mighty S-400 runs out of ammo eventually and the four SU-35’s Russia has in Syria wouldn’t last 10 minutes against the hundreds of air superiority fighters the USA alone has in the region …. and that’s without accounting for Israel or USA carriers that happen to be in the region.

Russia has major allies,besides they can afford to deter usa + israel (period) They akso have hypersonic means that would blow the entire airbase in workd record time and also emp,so you need to do more research,russias in control:

I do follow the Russian military quite closely and have read Andrei Martyanov’s books and read his blog daily.

I believe Russia is well prepared to defend Russia but not to project power beyond the near abroad …. at least to the extent the USA can.

Russia does have a lead in hypersonic weapons but not a lot of them deployed. Russia’s doctrine is all about the defence of the homeland … which is why they developed missiles that outrange US carriers.

The USA has a very different doctrine based on power projection. The USA has been prepositioning supplies and weapons all over the world in numbers that Russia simply cannot match. Don’t believe the ‘we’re running out of cruise missiles” reports in the media …. that’s a psyop …. where do you think a big chunk of that ridiculous US defence budget goes year in year out.

I’m not saying the USA is better at fighting than the Russians or has better weapons but the USA is an order of magnitude richer than Russia and has been for some time. That buys a lot of bombs and missiles.

I don’t know if your old enough to remember the calculus for a WW3 victory between NATO and the Warsaw Pact but it was figured in the 1980’s that the conventional war would last for 3 weeks …. at that time the first side to run out of either fuel or ammo would go nuclear. Same holds true today and the USA has far deeper pockets as well as prepositioned fuel and ammo all over the world.

That’s a huge advantage that trumps better weapons.

s400s not been active to date,other than radar.

I didn’t know that. So what is the use then? Us promises not to fly planes close by and Russia promises to not have the sams ready? Is this a fake pretend war or what?

Whst about Turkey’s? Will they be just steel lumps too,so that Greece can bomb the crap out of them. I hope so.

They are also your enemy… So stop treating them as friends and allies.

Maybe they are, I just want you to see how it is from my POV. Iran in Syria is okay (as most guys here say they were invited), but when Ukraine invites the U.S then it’s wrong? no double standards then.

I may agree with you that Iran in Syria is bad for Israel, national security wise. But there is a slight difference between Ukraine and Syria. It was the U.S. whom toppled the Yanukovich govt. It was also the U.S. whom propped up nazi paramilitary units to attack the east whom declared independece because they werent willing to become a cia colony with an anti Russian agenda. So both situation was triggered by the U.S. Both in Syria and Ukraine. Donetsk people contrary to jihadis dont intend to topple the junta in Kiev, they only want to be left alone. They have proven this in the past 6 years. So if not for the shit steering the U.S. does Iran wouldnt be in Syria, and Ukraine wouldnt have a low intensity civil war.

It was, but it was directed by The City of London.

So are you saying you would like Syria to ask Russia to point their strategic nuclear bombers away from ISIS and towards Israel on overflights of Syrian airspace?

Not saying Russia wants to do that, but that would be the kind of thing you are supporting with the U.S. provocation over Ukraine.

Iran hasn’t got nuclear bombers and is hardly threatening the existence of the state of Israel whilst the Russians are within Syria.

The entire world is Israel’s enemy. Stop picking nits.

Where do you see it happening?

If the Ukrainian Nazis have a list of jews then that’s what I’m talking about.

Oh that, for a second I thought it’s already on… There are different factions between jewish people too. Some are willing to genocide for personal gain. Using ukropnazis as the useful idiots. Basically what happened in WWII…

Nazis killing Bolcheviks and opposite. Both Zionists. Thats why Ukro-nazis are nurtered in Ukraine and the eco-nazists got 25% of the votes in Germany. To kill the new Bolcheviks in Moscow and the Eco-Nazis in Berlin………..LOL.

It is simple, Nazism Came from Zionism.

The ideoligies are very much alike,based on racist Nationalism.