ILLUSTRATIVE IMAGE: F-117A flying over mountains in Nevada in 2002.
The US Air Force has deployed at least four F-117A stealth attack aircraft in the Middle East for operations in Syria and Iraq, a well-known aviation blog, Scramble Magazine, reported on March 2 citing “very reliable information”.
According to the report, at least one of the employed F-117As “was involved in an in-flight emergency and landed far away from its temporary home base”.
“Back in 2017, and not published by any other source so far, Scramble received very reliable information that at least four F-117s were deployed to the Middle East as an operational need emerged for the USAF to resurrect the stealth F-117 for special purposes. One of the deployed aircraft was involved in an in-flight emergency and landed far away from its temporary home base that was likely located in Saudi Arabia, the UAE or Qatar.
During this extremely covert deployment the four Nighthawks flew missions over Syria and Iraq with Small Diameter Bombs (SDBs),” the Scramble Magazine report says.
The U.S. Air Force retired the F-117 in 2008. Its role was occupied by the F-22 Raptor fifth-generation stealth fighter aircraft. If the Scramble Magazine report is confirmed, this will be a signal that the F-22 appeared to be not so stealth as it’s claimed, especially if the aircraft operates in a complex enviroment.
there is not such a thing as stealth except of course in holywood movies.
Actually Stealth works very well against outdated, even newer radars. Serbia ONLY shot down the F-117 because its bomb bay doors were opened. Other than that, it was completely invisible to the P-18 radars.
Really? “Actually Stealth works very well against outdated, even newer radars”. Any facts to support this other than American military propaganda? “Serbia ONLY shot down the F-117 because its bomb bay doors were opened”..So its not stealth then?
S-400 radars in Syria cannot even detect US F-22/F-35 and Israeli F-35 operating over Syria.
Is that why they use civilian airlines as cover?
Syrian S-200 and S-75 could not destroy Israeli warplanes anyway. IAF F-16 and F-15s have the most advanced electronic warfare system (ECM) pods – they can actively/passively jam low band and high band radars and the radar homing heads of missiles – making older soviet SAMS very ineffective. That’s a big reason why IAF has very few combat losses to Syria.
No they have few combat looses in Syria because Russia choose not to shoot down their aircraft..
” they can actively/passively jam low band and high band radars and the radar homing heads of missiles “..Stop using wikipedia junk..
Syrian Air Defenses since 2012 have shot over 50 of combined S-75, BUK, S-125, and S-200 missiles at Israeli F-16s and F-15s and only scored 2-3 hits, damaging a couple planes and destroying ONLY 1 F-16! That’s because of ECM jammers! In other words, Israel electronic warfare has over 90% effectiveness against older Soviet SAMS. Deal with it, FACTS.
2012 was before russians came in. since then, captain Shlomo are shitting their pants) otherwise, those coward assholes would not hide behind civilian planes or unarmend Il-20…. your PEOPLE OF HEROES))))
” because Russia choose not to shoot down their aircraft”
True that. Shooting down Israeli jet would be Russian declaration of the war against Israel. And Russia doesn’t want to go that far (unless attacked) And for some reason Syrians are still not good enough
If we see an Israeli F 35 Flying in Daytime over Damascus, than we may trust Israeli USa Propaganda! But The jew is only strong at night useing Civillian aircrafts and mountains as cover!
but they have already done that. at least one maybe 2 f-16s of IAF were shot down.
Nope. Just 1 F-16 confirmed shot down, two F-16 damaged. But they landed safely.
safely is when there aren’t vids showing the plane being shot out of the sky.
agreed, but still…..the fact remains…ancient air defence shot down F-16s
“S-75” does not exist Last year “IAF F-16I” was DESTROYED with OLD Soviet S-125 & S-200. So you can shove your “ECM” you know where if old missile from 1960 can take that “most advanced” jet with no problem It was documented and Israel have admitted losing that F-16 ! While they denied losing some other Like that F-35 “damaged by the bird” !
eeehm…. what was the F-16 that crashed last year after getting hit?))) bird strike again?)
That’s very odd then, don’t you think, that f35s and f22s were available, and yet the U S took an older, dangerous to fly stealth plane from the 80’s , reattached the wings, and risked pilot’s lives trying to fly that unstable mess instead of just using existing stealth planes?
How do you account for such actions?
Than why are you SCARED to fly on the other side of Euphrates? NOT SINGLE NATO jet challenges ever Russian non fly zone! Not even when hundreds of kilometers away from Russian S-400!
You can’t prove that.
Russia makes things with US weapons & capabilities on her mind first. If radars are created they are created to register every US jet with no exceptions. S-400 radars are multi-band radars and “stealth” exists only for X-band radar So you are not telling the truth (as usual) US doesn’t have single thing that Russia can’t detect and shot it down. Not single thing ! While Russia has Kinzhal hyper-sonic missile and Avangard glider that you can’t detect or shot it down. You can detect launches but once they start to fly hyper-sonic NO radar can register them because of plasma created around missile, glider.
Thank.you jako for the FACTS
GOT THAT WOHL? Filthy parperclip german expat!
German expat, because he’s called ‘Wohl’… you don’t think that’s a real name…
our Zio Troll) you give us a big smile with every US-crap-marketing posting))
If the plane cant.open the bomb bay doors its kinda useless in 2019
actually you have it all wrong as to what radars get to see the alleged man made stealth. As to what you said about the serbs you just parroting what you read on the net or mass media.
Maybe you should watch this video, after the 6 minute mark and after you listen to it re again your post and see where you are wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw
thats not really the story about the Serbian hit. try to google info about that,
Don’t you have an economy to fix?
Jacob Wohl, hold your breath when dollar won’t worth the paper is printed on, because nobody will want that piece of paper anymore… And that time is close. Then we’ll see who has an economy to fix. Because for a long time, the only real “made in US” product is the dollar.
“when dollar won’t worth the paper is printed on”
it does not already, in fact its value for the government is negative, as every dollar printed comes from the federal reserve, which being a private organization charges the state like 10 cents for every dollar they emit.
That means in other words, that every dollar issued carries a part of debt for the USA, which for this reason alone cannot even exist without being indebted.
Don’t blame anyone else than the US people, when this mechanism was created at the start of the century they were looking the other way – congressmen and senators opposing it were also killed (not that they were that many).
Look who’s talking?!! ;-))))))))) 22 TRILLION BANKRUPTED country! Greeks at least discovered huge gas fields in Mediterranean sea so they have great expectations for the future while US is irreversibly BANKRUPT !
You didn’t get him… he lost the argument about military, now changes the subject and resorts to country insults – very mature!
Oh I did “get him” . Having no right answer, he was trying to switch the subject by shaming the Greek guy while making big ass out of himself in every possible way.
funny guy…..our economy will be fine after the leftish dinasaurs vanish …..time is near
dont you have a country to fix?)
Old radars like s200 they have filters to determinat small objects like birds or like that,that filter is just shuted down and objects was manuanly folow from operators saide,it is isli to look diferent in the speed bitvin plane and the bird and then u have target.also serbian army haved help from ather security sevices whoo swnd them informacion about time off flight and rute off f117 becouse many off countries wanted to shutdown them.so they wait them on right place and right time.sory becouse bad english.
then why have S-200/S-125 been defeated by 4+ fighters in every war since the 1980’s? Gulf War, Serbia, Iraq War 2.0 , and now in Syria.
F117 was to slow becouse it is was sure in they security and hi was uncareful ,another planes are fast and they have defens ,f117 was to sure in self and his stelth
Their flight pattern were easily recognizable?? Arrogant pricks!
That was a trapp off many countres who wanted that tehnology,that is the thruth, i was there.
These small, weak countries were “partially defeated” due to carpet bombing of civilian infrastructure. Including from stealth bombers flying at extremely high altitude. Out of range but very detectable for S-200s. Did Serbia and Iraq even have S-200s? Both had very uneasy relationship with the Soviet Union.
Serbia had old Soviet S-125 Pechore-Neva, old BUK and even older KUB missile systems. All those missiles had limited range so NATO was simply flying over that range while bombing Serbia Iraq had better AA systems than Serbia.
Still number of destroyed NATO aircraft in Serbia war is hugely under-reported.
“Defeated” how?!! S-200/S-125 combo was used against Israeli F-16 when Syria shot down that F-16 that fell down in Israeli controlled part of Golan! The missiles are (almost) as good as their radars If they have decent radar network no jet can escape with all “flares” and EW they have (even to the OLD missiles)! And Israelis have that all and the most advanced! No jet can outrun or outmaneuver multiple old S-125 – S-200 once missiles lock on the target !
Overwhelming volume …every time.
Must be nice having the memory span of a pigeon. Edit: except Syria, you tried strikes with 100+ ammunution dropped with very little result. ROFL you guys are pathetic.
why since the 80s?
They shot down thousands of US aircraft in NAM and abt 200 of israeli ones in arab/israeli wars combined.
As for the rest, take Serbia – it was 600+ NATO aircraft against 13 MiG-29s without radar and RWR. There never was a contest for that airspace, yet NATO managed to lose several aircraft nonetheless.
You must be one of those individuals that beats down a blind, dumb and crippled children and then goes to the bar bragging about it
source? or just marketing blabla? do you really believe the shit you are talking?)))) poor guy…
go back to Tel Aviv Zoo Proboscis boy
Yes the F117 was/is a good plane, and that’s probably why they used it. The F35 is totally inferior to an F117 B2 or an F22. F35’s are suicide mission planes.
The 117 was an extremely early adopter of fly-by-wire tech and suffered for it. It’s reputation as the “wobbly goblin” Was well deserved, and not just one pilot died trying to land the thing.
All i know about these planes is hollywood.
I dont think using these.planes makes sense logistically.
Pilot training does not happen overnight. Plane parts.ect…the logistics dont add up.to.me.
Nonsense. The Russians laughed at the idea and brazenly stated “on our radars they look like flying buses.”
Yes they can see them on radar maybe, but can they lock on target successfully to use a missile? No.
So in fact, they are not stealth?
Of course they can “lock” you pathetic neocon propagandist!
It is called IRST and they can use infra red also for “lock on”! And “stealth” exists to the extent only to X-band radars but not to L-band and S-band radars. Only F-22 has reduced heat signature (but not enough) No “stealth” is invisible for IRST and every Russian advanced jet has them ! SU-35 has L-band radar in the wings also.
All of them show up clearly when viewed sideways by radar. Modern radars work in networks. If the one that is directly ahead of the fake stealth aircraft does not “see” it, all the others do. They all burn a lot of fuel and release lots of heat that can be “viewed” by infrared sensors in pursuing rockets. Anyway, the “stealth” does not apply when the aircraft is “viewed” from behind.
Stealth is a total scam that was dreamt up by the MIC to fleece the public.
Israeli F-35 have intruded on Iranian airpsace without being detected :) https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/109172/khamenei-fires-air-force-chief-over-israeli-f-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/ Also, IDF F-35 have successfully hit many targets including SAM and Pantsir in Syria :D
no it didn’t they used a small drone to fire all the missile of the pantir system and when it had to reload they attacked it…… to be sure not to get blown out of the sky, why would the US fear so much that Turkey tests the S400 against the F35 if its so good…………..LOL
ZioPropaganda) if you believe this shit, you believe in Santa Clause, too :)
you watch too much star trek! a missile battery doesn’t need to “lock on” a missile in the air can acquire targets independently.
That “bomb bay doors” story is such pile of horse shit ! You can not leave bomb bay doors opened forever because it creates huge (noticeable) drag for jet! EVERY modern bomber has signaling that alerts pilot about OPENED bomb bay doors! Pilots do not see it only if they are blind! It is stupid story created to cover up EMBARRASSMENT !!
Also old S-125 missiles have not only destroyed one F-117A There was other F-117A significantly damaged by missiles and had trouble to fly back to the airport in Hungary.
If they were really “invisible” to the (old) radars they would NEVER decommissioned them before their time.
Clearly you know nothing about physics and technology, in Serbia the Serbs used 3 radars sending waves in different lenghts, they added up to a big permanent signal, which made the the F-117shinning like a star, so the missile couldn’t miss the tartget, what do you think why some birds in Northern Europe fell dead from the sky in 2008-2010 that were the new Russian radars that can detect and track stealth planes and missiles, the energy of this combined radar frequenzes make the reflection of any object strong enough to shoot it down. Have you ever seen the radar antennas of the Russians they use to send and the onces to catch up the reflected signal. Stealth doesn’t exist, not anymore, You just win some time 10-30 secconds it takes longer to spot you and if you are not fast enough you die! invisible maybe in the past but not to day. If I send more energy out I get also a stronger reflection back, that works also under water with sonar, you can use bombs to detect dived submarines, that lay on the ground, not by hitting them but the stronger soundwave that gets reflected by the submarine and with more sensitive devices you can spot it, what works in water works also in air its just a different medium. As the education in the USA and Europe are falling more and more back I doubt they will win the race about the future, China will rule, thats why Israel invited them so greatly and boolsterd their economy and trades with China against US wish, simple because Israel knows who will play the cards in the future, and China will protect its investments in Israel what will make Irans pressure on Israel getting less. China is even bypassing the blocks of its silke road to Europe which the USA created in Syria and Ukraine, lol with Israel the goods flow still to Europe, and the US can not make bullshit with Israel, China played Israel vs USA or better Israel is searching for a new protector in the future and if it builds up more Chinese investments and gets more important it will get this protection. around 25% Of the world GDP is produced by China in fact even more, when we take out the parts of each car, machine, computer etc. in the USA and Europe, almost 75% of all this parts are produced in China, the GDP today of most countries is fake as the real value was created in China and not in the USA nor Europe. Just by reimporting and selling them they make that profits. American and Europe companies can not anymore survive without Chinas cheap labor and export market, GM sells more cars in China than in the USA and Apple more smart phones than in the USA. The USA is just an empty shell of the past, corruption and greed and the gambling markets on the wall street money making by gambling and not anymore by working is what screwed the USA and Europe. Its over pal its just like the Roman empire after 376AD it starts slowly but its falling apart just like the Sovjet Union. Empires come and go, lets see how long the Chinese will stay.
Was there a need for a stealth bomber? They had no SAM threats in the areas where they flew, neither enemy airplanes, so there was no need to hide.
That is the issue with these F117A’s that are useless in the presence of SAMs …. Many forget how the Yugoslavian air defenses shot down 4 of these flying lemons in 1999… Their “stealth” is a massive fraud…
Low payload, slow and not maneuverable, not sure why would they deploy it, after being in retirement for almost 11 years. But again, no SAM threats, so no need for any stealth.
Maybe because of radar signature? Russian S-400 are deployed near the coastal line. If Syria starts to operate S-300 it can move it closer to the Euphrates so Syrians can get the radar signature of f-22. Of course if Israeli F-22 were not deployed in the missions against Syria and Russia already has the signature.
Or maybe in the fear of losing F-22. Just imagine any better advertisement of the Russian old fashion S-300 if it will down a brand new American stealth aircraft. In that case every non NATO country would dream about this system.
“Israeli F-22”
This one is new. I must have been sleeping when Israel got F-22s.
I did not knew about has Israel f-22 or has not. So if it has not, than the only logical reason not to highlight F-22 to Russia made radars. Because at the moment S-300 has radar signature of F-22 it became useless against most of Russian modern radars.
agreed
only 4? 6 millions of these
No proof of 4. Only 1 was shot down because of its opened bomb bay doors. Confirmed. Otherwise it was completely invisible.
sir you dont understand Radars… even birds ping on radars, nothing is “completely invisible”
f 22 costs more than f 117 dosent need to be more effective or “stealth” to replace the f22…if USA ever looses 1 f 22 it is totally screwed
Originally build 187 (some attrition) but only about 120-130 in service. Alas last season Tyndall airbase wasn’t able to evacuate some 20+ some of which were damaged by the hurricane. My guess the US now between 100-120 F22 operational of which about 50% will be available for missions at any time. The very fact that 20 years ago a full squadron went on training or show the flag deployment is now reduced to 2 to 4 F22 tells it all. The F35 seriously lacking air superiority capabilities require a F22 riding shotgun according to DoD/EOT&E to survive in a contested environment.
That would explain why Russia does not need alot of SU 57 then.
USAF stealth plane inventory: F-22: 150 F-35: 300 soon to be 1800 B-2: 50-100 F-117: 20-50 overall stealth planes: 100s to over 1000
What is the purpose of this information???
To display the complete 100%, unparalleled, unchallenged air superiority the US has over any other country on Earth?
So why are they so terrified of the S400?
They’re pretending they are… really not.
What a naive response. and BTW..So why is Israel using civilian aircraft as cover? they supposedly have these same “stealth ” aircraft..
nothing is stealth, they only make radar ID more difficult, nothing more
F-35A is invisible up to 18miles from target. Too late by then.
@235cacti:disqus could you please be so kind and show the source of the 18 miles?
Classified. If I told you I’d have to Arkancide you.
@235cacti:disqus well, as I know, 18 miles is the number which refers to fighterjet’s old style radars. That’s why most of todays air-to-air missiles can not lock at the “stealth” object without thermal locking or external radar support. Modern jets have active electronically scanned array (AESA) which can detect “stealth” so it can guide the missile to the range where it can lock at the thermal signature of a jet. While big land radars have no such issue, that’s why AA systems like S-300 and above are quite dangerous to all that “stealthy” things. Even Syrian S-200 was capable to hit the Israeli F-35, but because of old style missiles the hit was not deadly.
Thats a flawed way of thinking.
Thats assuming the radar is 18 miles away at all times. I aint going to draw a map for you, but Russia also has long range Awacs and can see f35 take off from airbase and track it from space.
Your leaders are leading you to suicide!
If they are just pretending, then they are very good actors.
actually, they are pretending that they are pretending.
Just like Israel was just pretending to stop Putin delivering the S-300.
Why are your chums so upset turkey is buying s400 and notnyour junk then?
US does not have any unchallenged air superiority over Russia and China. Russian IADS would decimate the AWACS and accompanying aircraft with multi layered surface to air missile umbrella, accompanied by air superiority fighters. Stealth is of meaningless value since the Russians employ the Nebo M2 multiband radar system employing VHF and UHF radars that fuse the collected information and provide a lock on the stealth target to be destroyed by a determined missile. What you are spouting off is delusional Hollywood wet dreams.
don’t be ridiculous.
How much do they pay you to make this propaganda? I need some extra money, maybe I should apply for this job. It seems very easy, since even you can do it.
None at all since it doesn’t exist. I have my own money already :)
If you aint in for the money what is it? The joy of being an ideological drone? Being a cheerleader for the war party?
Related to Quisling perhaps??
he’s a hasbara troll working in the Proboscis divison lol
Ummm i hope you realise that their are a total of 20 B2’s originaly 21 had been built but one was lost to a crash.
He lies, his rabbi pays him to lie.
Stealth is a load of Bollix. Once an object has mass it can be detected. If it generates energy it can be detected. If the ionosphere did not exist then it might be possible to have a stealthy craft. But then we wouldn’t exist, would we….
“If the ionosphere did not exist then it might be possible to have a stealthy craft”
Radar is electromagnetic waves. Space-time proves that they don’t need a ionosphere to propagate. Otherwise, we wouldn’t be seeing all those stars and galaxies.
I was talking about the detection of an object with mass and velocity moving in our ionosphere. That is anything that travels from sea-level up to about 80Klms displaces ions thereby creating a specific type of turbulence which can be detected. The Russians are as far as I know are still using the old Soviet woodpecker radar system which did this specifically for ICBMs but could also track aircraft. Today Russia has developed upgraded variants which are about to enter service, presume they will be able to do the job of detection even better. This only works in the ionosphere, much like the detection of a submarine moving in the ocean. Older radar systems sought out the object while the newer systems concentrate on the turbulence created by the water displacement created be the vessel as it moves.
“The Russians are as far as I know are still using the old Soviet woodpecker radar system”
Those systems were retired years ago and replaced by more modern OTH arrays. I believe all directions are already covered, while another station is being activated, although I can’t say for sure where and when.
“This only works in the ionosphere, much like the detection of a submarine moving in the ocean”
I’m not sure, but iirc OTH radar works by bouncing signals on the ionosphere, which acts not unlikely the cushions in the pool table.
The B2’s have been breeding? They only built 21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit
my mistake
Not “B-2: 50-100” !! US has only 20 – TWENTY B-2 bombers! (one crashed 2008) You lying twat !
I’m sure you lied everything else also but I can’t be bothered to verify. Of those 150 F-22’s only half (probably less) at the best are ready for combat at any time.
the F-117 was retired by the USAF in 2008, which means, if this news is confirmed, that these airframes were taken from storage and put into service for some other agency – for example the CIA or the DIA – to perform some dirty job. In this case, non-USAF pilots would be employed, and the aircraft would operate from different bases than the USAF ones, perhaps with support provided by a third party entity.
In any case, the fact that the US intelligence agencies have the need, and are allowed, to act independently from the department of defence (thus outside of any official and recognized policy, guidelines and above all rules of engagement) it’s a crime against the democratic institutions, and those involved should be brought before the international Hague court to be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
For all its worth…i think this is a fake report.
Why use old f117 when you have new f35. Thats thinking like a anglo zio idiot.
There are some many red herrings in here…like support crews..spare parts, trained pilots!!!
That doesnt come out of thin air.
I think its B.S.
It is a smoke screen, indeed. US just need to make people believe these planes are good at something. So they pretend they use “invisible” planes in Syria (they are invisible, right and nobody saw them). I doubt an F-35 or F-117 ever was there, neither from US, neither from Israel, except in the beginning when that reckless Israeli F-35 was destroyed by a bird. Now they use F-16 covered by civilian aircrafts. They don’t dare to use latest technology because Russia would collect info about them. That’s why they won’t deliver them to Turkey who buys S-400. That’s why they are useless. But, of course, they can afford to fly them in Afganistan, no risk of any kind there.
With China sitting to east?
China is watching, but wont shoot.
happens to peace loving nations who learnt something from history.
they won’t shoot first and ask questions later and in the end it pays up, look at how those zionists are desperate to create provocations.
“Why use old f117 when you have new f35”
I’ve already explained that, because the f117 is out of service.
“support crews..spare parts, trained pilots”
Saudia, Israel, Military industrial complex. John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and so on.
The F117 has a bigger payload and a smaller RCS(Radar cross section) 0.003m2 compared to the F35 RCS 0.005m2 and that’s from the front, the exhaust nozzles of an F35 gives it a big arse. F35’s are sort of suicide mission planes, you might get in and drop your 2 bombs, but the SAM’s will take you out on the way home.
I think that you are way too optimistic. F-35 can’t even come inside Russia’s airspace let alone to “drop 2 bombs”. They will “drop 2 bombs” in some African or Asian countries maybe (as usual)
are you really so candid to believe public available data on RCS, especially since it’s published by the pentagon only?
“Why use old f117 when you have new f35” – because 1 almost works and the other doesn’t.
There were reports from as far back as 2016 of f117s being rebuilt and undergoing test flights in the western US .
Is that right?
Finally some one addresses my logistics questions. Training.
Parts…probably lots in storage.
Actually there are several good reasons. Planes in mothballs represent a wasted resource. The AF may “retire” them, but it doesn’t mean they are useless for someone else (cough, cough).
Reduced Radar Crossection may be useful when black-ops are conducted on the edges of radar coverage, particularly when no one expects a stealth plane from yesteryear. Bombing a civilian target from F117 seems particularly attractive proposition, or dropping something on the Turks and officially declaring it’s the SDF. Dropping small chemical payloads would also work, when dropped in an area that the enemy is peppering with artillery. There are many other uses for a plane like that. But they are more propaganda purposes than actual military objectives.
“international Hague court” is staged for the interests of US.
US are never tried for ” war crimes and crimes against humanity” They use it only for defeated and vassal countries
“US are never tried for ” war crimes and crimes against humanity””
Never say never.
So, we should recommission colonel Dany from retiry
Ha ha dobro si to rekao,mada ja mislim da je o o laz,ti avioni su prvazidjeni i njihovi resursi su do sad istekli,tako da neverujem u ovo pozz
Bez starca nema udarca :)
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Did it meet an invisible stealthy bird flying the other way?
I saw these things at Andrews Air Force Base during an open day – in the early 90’s. They are quite small. Still have photos of them somewhere. The names of the pilots were below the cockpits.
inflight-emergency…. bird strike or illuminated by russian radar?))))