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In a widely-expected move, the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) were left out of the Syrian Constitutional Committee that was announced on September 23 by U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres.
The committee included 150 Syria figurers representing the Damascus government, opposition groups based outside of Syria and civil society organizations. Not a single official of the SDF or even a figure affiliated with it were among the names.
This situation caused a lot of criticism from the SDF. The group’s leadership didn’t apparently expect to be left out of the committee, despite that they have been never invited to it even by their main backer – the U.S.
In response to this criticism, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem mocked the U.S.-backed group, which was called “a terrorist group” by Damascus earlier this month.
“Who said they [the SDF] were a part of this [the constitutional committee],” the minister told reports on September 23 while laughing.
Reflecting the SDF’s frustration, Eldar Khalil, a senior official in the group’s political wing, said in an interview that he doesn’t believe that there is a decision to settle the Syrian crisis.
“Geneva [process] is now dead, they are saying that the Syrian constitutional committee was formed. All committee members have been appointed but the will need years to draft the constitution,” Khalil told the Hawar News Agency (ANHA) in the interview, that was released on September 25.
Khalil went on to claim that not all Syrian communities were represented in the committee. A false claim, as many Kurdish figures were appointed by Damascus and the opposition as members in the committee.
The formation of the committee without the SDF was seen as a result of a rapprochement between Ankara and Damascus, which both view the group as a threat to their national security.
Despite backing the SDF, the U.S. welcomed the formation of the constitutional committee. This move indicates that the group may have little saying in the country’s political future. In some scenarious, Washington may even abandon the group.
I like all of this, SDF must pay for all the Syrian blood in their hands
Not only the SDF. Also the orks in Idlib, Erdowahn, Satanyahu, Obama and so on…
The SDF is an army – a military organization. Why would they be invited? The Syrian Arab Army wasn’t invited either – you don’t hear them crying about it.
Frankly, it’s just damn creepy that the worthless UN is involved in this at all. Changing or drafting a new constitution is entirely an internal, domestic matter. The Syrians don’t need globalists’ (or U.S. neocons’) ‘advice’. UN involvement sounds like some sneaky-assed way to usurp the process and corrupt any resulting constitution.
And why is the US always so interested in helping everyone re-write their constitution? We don’t even follow ours, FFS. One law for the rich and powerful, another for the little people.
Excellent point about us and our Constitution.
I’m afraid you’ve got it all wrong, do some research to see who’s really responsible for resolution 2254, it was the Russians, Iranians and Turks idea, they drafted the proposal and offered it to the UN for approval, all the UN did was pass it. And for 4 years now Assad’s refused to comply to the Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution because it gave the Turks too much power in the constitutional process. Now after 4 years the US and the UN send an envoy to work out a new deal with Assad and he accepted it straight away, I’ll say that again, Assad’s been rejecting the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution 2254 for 4 years now, but just accepted the NEW UN proposal the first time they made it, horrible US and UN you say. The new amendments to the old resolution were drafted by Assad himself, he rejected the old framework the Russians, Iranians and Turks had put forward 4 years ago and demanded his own be applied, and the UN agreed to all his demands. So don’t blame the UN or the US for the shitty old resolution 2254 that Assad hated and continually refused to comply to, it was the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution that was allowing outside foreign influences to dictate how the new Syrian constitution would be written in the first place. According to the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish version Erdogan himself got to choose 50 of the 150 member committee tasked with rewriting it, so no wonder Assad kept refusing to implement it. But now the UN has accepted every single one of Assad’s demands and amended the old resolution to suit Assad, the Turks will be pissed right off, they no longer get a say in the rewriting of the Syrian constitution, only Assad alone gets to pick who can be on the committee now, the only drawback for Assad is the UN can veto any of his proposed candidates if they don’t approve of them. You can check for yourself to see who was responsible for resolution 2254 and the framework it wanted to apply to the political process in Syria, just go the the UN homepage and search for resolutions, then check to see who the guilty culprits were, what they wanted to do and to who, and then check for the new amendments and what they now entail, and who agreed to them. Compare the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish version to the new amended version the US just approved to see which of them you think is better. Assad’s been rejecting the old one for 4 years now, but he accepted the new US version straight away, doesn’t that shock you at all, Assad’s refused to do what his allies Iran and Russia have been wanting him to do and instead accepted the new UN offer. As I said you have it back to front, you need to find out the truth.
Russia slow-walked 2254 and Astana because they knew damn well that –
1) The foreign-funded, organized ‘Syrian Opposition’ wasn’t really the Syrian opposition, nor did it accurately represent them. They were the equivalent of the White Helmets just showing up one day claiming to be ‘the’ Syrian Civil Defense (which had already existed since 1972)
2) The FSA was held together with incompetent but well-bribed former SAA officers. It was hollow and would fall apart without the help of US/Saudi/UAE/Qatar-sponsored and bankrolled head-choppers. Loss of the FSA would mean:
3) Foreign enthusiasm, funding and support for the fake ‘Syrian Opposition’ would disappear, and the UN would have to admit that there was no legitimate, single, organized representative to be a party to 2254 or be represented in a constitutional committee. 2254 was proposed to keep the UN busy and stave off NATO defense of head-choppers.,
Result: UN will eventually assent to Syria managing the drafting of a new constitution if the other Syrians agree. It just has to be well-represented, fair and inclusive. Maybe it won’t be much different from the old one.
1) The foreign-funded, organized ‘Syrian Opposition’ is now under Erdogan’s control, all of them [NFL/SLF/FSA], and according the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution 2254, they would have gotten 50 of the 150 total seats at the new constitutional committee table. The new amended version just agreed upon by the UN and Syria won’t allow any of them a seat on the committee, now only Assad gets to choose which opposition groups will be included and the UN gets to veto any of the candidates they don’t like. Which will be very hard because as I said, the only other opposition groups left in Syria now have already reconciled with Assad. I’m sure it will those groups he now chooses from, the ones the Arab league supported during the initial conflict and still does now, and all those groups are on Assad’s side now thanks to the Arab league, and guess who the arab league support now, President Assad, and they hate Erdogan and his meddling in Syria, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. 2) Trump ended all support for the FSA last year in may/june, he worked out a deal with Assad and Erdogan to ship about 2 or 3,000 to Idlib from Al Tanf where they’d been stationed. Then Trump also told the other 30,000+ FSA occupying Daraa and Quneitra to negotiate a settlement with Assad because he wouldn’t be assisting them with air support if they didn’t, when they refused to negotiate he let the SAA wipe them, HTS and Isis out in less than a month without lifting a finger to help. 25,000 of those FSA fighters are now conscripted into the SAA and fighting in Idlib on the front lines, sure Trump still supports them LOL, he supports them being used as cannon fodder by the SAA in Idlib, LOL. If the Saudis still supported the FSA as you suggest they do, Assad must be the biggest dickhead in history, because he’s not only been talking to the Saudi’s for nearly a year now, he actually negotiating with them to reopen diplomatic ties and the embassy as well. The Saudi’s absolutely hate the Turks you know, and the Arab League who now fully support Assad all want Turkey to get out of Syria. Erdogan alone supports the FSA now, no one else. 3) LOL, “2254 was proposed to keep the UN busy and stave off NATO defense of head-choppers”. LOL, that’s what I thought too at first, even despite the fact Turkey one of the signatories to the resolution is actually Assad’s biggest enemy, BIGGEST ENEMY. Probably just like you I thought the fact the Iranians and the Russians were the other co signatories it couldn’t possibly be bad for Assad, but I can occasionally be wrong too, and I was totally wrong. Then early last year when the Turks started including resolution 2254 in the Astana talks I began to worry, with subsequent Astana meetings it became obvious to me the Turks had hijacked the process for their own ends. The new Astana agreements started saying the Astana process should be the means of laying the framework for implementing the resolution, and the process should be implemented as soon as possible. Assad hasn’t abided to not even one of these new agreements, and every time he doesn’t abide by them Erdogan goes totally mad. Why are the SAA still attacking the terrorists and the Russians aren’t anymore, according to the old resolution 2254, the newest Astana agreement, and the new amended version of UN resolution 2254, the SAA and its allies are not only allowed to attack the UN recognized terrorists [HTS, Al Nusra, and a few others], they’re actually encouraged by the new resolution to attack them, just very carefully, LOL. Go to the UN homepage and search for resolution 2254, read what it says and understand it properly. According to that 2015 Turkish inspired resolution, Assad only got to choose 50 of a 150 member committee rewriting the Syrian constitution, which meant Erdogan’s NFL, FSA, and SLF moderate opposition would have gotten 50 seats, since they’re the only UN officially recognized moderate opposition left in all of Syria, there’s no one else to choose from, and the other 50 would have come from supposedly non aligned entities that Assad also had no say over. Do you think that was a fair setup do you, I don’t. Now the new amended version of the old resolution 2254 says Assad can pick all 150 members of the constitutional committee, so which do you think is better for Assad, the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution 2254, or the new amended version of it, oh hang on, lets just ask Assad himself which one of the 2 deals he thinks is the best, oh hang on again, we don’t have to, he’s already chosen the deal he thinks was best. But that’s not really the point, the real point is why did Assad have to choose the lesser of 2 evils in the first place, that’s the real question you should be asking, not why did the Syrian government choose the US inspired amendments over the old Turkish inspired version, that’s actually irrelevant to the most important question that needs an answer. But I already know that answer, and I also know why Assad just accepted it, and I also know why the US decided to send an envoy to Damascus right when they did. Lucky for me I read a lot of news from every source I can find. The only 3 groups that still want Turkey in Syria are Russia, Iran, and Turkey itself, no one else wants Turkey in Syria anymore, least of all Assad.
At the end of 2015, there was no certainty that Assad would even be around. My US leaders were trying their best to have Assad Gaddafi’d – dead in a ditch somewhere outside of Damascus sodomized by a bayonet. 2254 supposedly applied to whatever government was still left in 2016.
You make it sound like Russia, Iran and Turkey just beamed in from outer space one day and demanded a transitional government and a new constitution for Syria. It wasn’t even their idea – Geneva in 2012, remember?
“…why did Assad have to choose the lesser of 2 evils in the first place, that’s the real question you should be asking, not why did the Syrian government choose the US inspired amendments over the old Turkish inspired version…”
HAVE TO choose?? He didn’t have to and still does not have to choose a damn thing. The Syrian people never elected the UN to lord over their domestic affairs. Assad doesn’t have to conduct UN-ordered elections or modify/re-write Syria’s constitution based on UN demands and/or in a manner that a UN resolution dictates. If he doesn’t comply, are Russia, Iran and Turkey going to attack Syria on behalf of the UN? Sanctions on Syria will never be lifted – it’s part of the eternal US war for Israel against the Syrian people.
And please point me to those US ‘amendments’ to 2254 that Assad approved. I see no reference to them on the UN site or anywhere else.
At the end of 2015 Obama the LGBTQI emperor was in power, but he’s not anymore, Tump’s the new boss now, and he admires Putin.
At the end of 2015 in November the Turks shot down a Russian fighter jet, July 2016 there was a coup attempt against Erdogan, and August 2016 Turkey invaded Syria. But Dec 18, 2015 is the date resolution 2254 was first passed, just 1 month after the Turks shot down the Russian jet, which means the Russians, Iranians and the Turks had all sat down together to work out the resolution many months before the Russian jet was even shot down. So no the Russians, Iranians, and the Turks didn’t just beamed in from outer space one day, they were all there colluding together long before any of the rest of us had any idea they were, that helps explain why Putin did very little to punish Erdogan for killing that Russian pilot, and nothing at all to stop the Turks invading Syria
“HAVE TO choose?? He didn’t have to and still does not have to choose a damn thing”.
He has already chosen if you haven’t read the news,
http://www.syriatimes.sy/index.php/don-t-miss/43785-un-chief-says-agreement-reached-on-creation-of-constitutional-committee-on-syria
And it was the US version of the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution that Assad accepted, not the original one his allies had wanted him to accept. You said this in your previous comment,
“Russia slow-walked 2254 and Astana because they knew damn well that”,
If what you think is true then Assad wouldn’t have accepted this new US/UN proposal, he would have rejected it the same way he’s been rejecting the old one for 4 years, but he didn’t reject it, he accepted it straight away. And why did he accept it so quickly, because he got to dictate to the UN what he wanted in this deal, and they agreed to all his demands, of which we already know a few. All Assad had to do if he was only stalling the UN as you say he was, was to say no again, he’s been saying no for 4 years now and he could’ve said no to the UN just as easily as he to the Turks, Russians and Iranians There’s been absolutely no pressure from the US or the UN over the last 5 months to make him want to accept any sort of deal, Assad’s been free to take back huge sections of Hama and Idlib with no objections whatsoever from either the UN or the US, and the only thing Trumps said about it recently was “Assad should be careful not to harm the civilian population when going for the terrorists in his attempt to take back Idlib”, Trump and the UN haven’t been telling Assad not to take back Idlib, so this new deal has just come out of nowhere for no apparent reason, well not to me it isn’t, I know exactly why. But Putin and Erdogan have been trying to force Assad into abiding by the ceasefire they want to impose on him, they’re the only parties opposed to Assad reclaiming Idlib now, not the US or the UN anymore. So why would Assad accept their new deal now when the UN and the US have been doing absolutely nothing to encourage him to accept it, and why haven’t the Russians, Iranians, and Turks made him a better counter offer to nullify the UN offer, it’s because they can’t, Erdogan won’t let them, LOL. I’ll say it again, the Turks are using Putin to stay in Syria, the US and the Arab league and Assad all want the Turks out, that’s why the UN just made Assad an offer he couldn’t refuse, and assad accepted because he knew he’d never get a better one from his own side.
You’ll only find info concerning the new amendments in the news, there’s still no official release of info yet, just press releases so far, Syrian outlets will be the best sources of info. I have a link to a comment I made 3 days ago that speaks about some of the known concessions so far, read it if you want to know what I know so far or find out yourself by searching,
https://disqus.com/by/willingconsciencethetruths/
I hope this is a good thing and the UN doesn’t have some plans for eastern part of Syria. It is strange and usually not a good sign when the US government doesn’t complain about something. Anyway, I somehow feel pleased. They should taste the fruit of their treachery, which clearly they don’t like, evident in their rant to themselves!
eastern Syria hardly can suvive like independent entity. Nor any of the neighbors never permit this happen
I agree that it can not, just like the Zionist regime, but in reality with vast amounts of money, extortion, threats and other illegal acts they kept this sieve floating so far. They cannot do it indefinitely but they certainly can create trouble.
And the plan is not just for the eastern part of Syria, it’s much larger. They thought they will be able to control the world by creating an outpost in the land bridge between Asia and Africa but It no longer works and the next phase includes northern parts of Iraq, western part of Iran and eastern Turkey. Reaching the Mediterranean is no longer viable but they try to include access to the Black Sea for their next illegitimate stillborn, where they tried to include oil and gas reserves, arable land, water, minerals and sea in an area between the 5 seas (Caspian, the Black Sea, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean and the Red Sea), close to Caucasus and at the gateway of Asia-southern Europe. Like the scheme they tried with Ukraine to cut off Russia from northern Europe.
In order to succeed in this plan they must sow unrest, chaos and war in at least 3 countries (Iraq, Syria and Turkey) and even better if they manage to do it in Iran too, the more the merrier. 2 out of minimum 3.
The threat of disintegration for Turkey is real and is an example for what you do will come back to haunt you. For generations the Ottoman empire tried to change the demography of eastern Anatolia (right or wrong, they had their reasons and I’m not going to open this can of worms) and this threat is the result of replacing all those ethnic and religious minorities with Kurds, a group of people whose leaders had and still have no problem in teaming up with whatever foreign power against the country they live in, if they are paid enough. I hope Turkey has a plan to confront this threat.
Don’t look at the developments in eastern part of Syria as an isolated event my friend.
too many smiles and complicity in Ankara between Erdogan, Rohuani and Putin to not thinking that they are well prepared to face the problem ;-)
A clear evidence that Putler also controle UN and that no freedom will be giving by Putler an Assad to the moderate civilians who fought in 5 years for peace and a democracy like we have it in America.
US Special Forces will however continue to fight for Human Rights and the Democratic Rebels for the Syrian people from its bases in NE Syria, Idlib, Manbij and Al-Tanf.
Rome was not build in only one day!
That would also mean that the US is controlled by Putin. Tin foil hat Tommy again. Additionally: It is pretty offensive to compare Putin to Hitler, who has millions of death Europeans of all nationalities his conscience. But that fits to your usual propaganda BS. There are valid reasons to criticize Putin just as there are valid reason to criticize each and any politician and country. Only that you seem to either uneducated, delusional or both to find them. But suit yourself.
But but, the BBC says that Putin does control the USA, so it must be true. lol.
I always thought that Israel controlled the USA, but that’s considered to be anti-semitic I suppose.
The US wastes so much money on wars that it does not have the cash to rebuild what they built decades ago,Tommy. :)
I am European and I can say, from day one we saw our almighty US ”Ally” as a genocidal murderous aggressor in Syria..ISIS was armed and trained by the US under Obama,and many other head-chopping,Human Heart eating terrorist Cannibals..What are you so fucking proud of mate..? What..??? That your army is becoming a terrorist corporate war machine..? They are already,fucking murderous war Criminals..Assad..? With all the Corporate Media lies and efforts of the fucking Zionist edited ”US” Media war on him,still stands high,and his people 80% are ready to die for him and the Country which is there in the last fucking 7000 years man..I guess you had no fucking idea about that little info,are you..?The less than 300 years old US and the 70 years old terrorist state taking on them with the dirtiest means possible to break that Country and its heroic People,seems to us Europeans beyond fucking ridiculous..What to say..? Our little Western alliance is over..The Western countries not trusting anymore the USA at all,their credibility crisis is just widening..Wondering why..The whole fucking country built on profitable wars and invasions and robbery of weaker nation’s natural reserves..You will lose all your allies with a foreign policy like that,controlled from the Knesset..
Rojava terrorists future hide out shattered just as Turkey Idlibistan. Traitors full of insanity with long backstabbing knifes know were their belong.
Evil Erdogan was showing his NATO masters how their action partition Syria just as Satanyahu always did.Thinking of Iraq, Iran and Syrian oil selling to bloodshed NATO killers France, Germany, Britain and puppets are doom.
NATO France and Britain plus associate Israel please plan another false attack on Saudi Arabia oil depots.Or bomb UAE and Saudi oil tankers.I enjoy that fake Hollywood fake news fake shit.
What a load of BS this whole story is, pure Russian propaganda designed to hide the fact they’ve been outsmarted by the US. Let’s examine the facts as they stand in relation to this pure BS story,
“In a widely-expected move, the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) were left out of the Syrian Constitutional Committee that was announced on September 23 by U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres”.
What a joke, it’s the Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution 2254 that allowed them a voice in the first place, they were the 3 parties who wrote the resolution and got the UN to pass it, they were the ones forcing Assad to accept the negative and foreign influences in the first place, and Assad’s been refusing their demands for 4 years running.
“The committee included 150 Syria figures representing the Damascus government, opposition groups based outside of Syria and civil society organizations. Not a single official of the SDF or even a figure affiliated with it were among the names”.
LOL, and not one pro Turkish representative was included either, unlike the old resolution the Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution wanted to implement. The new deal that Assad’s worked out with the UN stops the Turks having any say at all in the committee makeup, now only Assad gets to pick all the committee members, not Erdogan, under the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution he was able to pick 50 of them, but not even one now thanks to Trump.
“Khalil went on to claim that not all Syrian communities were represented in the committee. A false claim, as many Kurdish figures were appointed by Damascus and the opposition as members in the committee”,
That parts true, some Kurdish groups have been included in the committee makeup, but they’re all from pro Assad groups like the ALF, who’ve actually been fighting the Turks in Aleppo and actually helping Assad.
“The formation of the committee without the SDF was seen as a result of a rapprochement between Ankara and Damascus, which both view the group as a threat to their national security”.
LOL. It’s not the result of some new blossoming relationship between Turkey and Syria, it’s the result of the US sending an envoy to see Assad in Damascus, they together worked out a new and better deal than the Russians/Iranian/Turks did for Assad, and now after 4 years of continuously rejecting the Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution 2254, Assad’s immediately accepted the new amended version the UN just agreed to. So the opposite is really the truth, it’s the common hatred of Erdogan and a possible Syrian and US rapprochement the story should be talking about, not Assad and Erdogan finding common ground, that would be the first time they ever have LOL, and we all know it. The real story is Assad and the US just cooperated together to keep the Turks out of Syria, not Erdogan and Assad cooperated to keep the SDF from having a say, what nonsense and pure BS.
“Despite backing the SDF, the U.S. welcomed the formation of the constitutional committee. This move indicates that the group may have little saying in the country’s political future. In some scenarious, Washington may even abandon the group”.
The US just got the UN to send Assad an envoy to work out a new deal, of course they’re happy about it, they initiated the process in the first place, Assad didn’t ask them to help, they offered Assad help and agreed to all his demands. And yes, the new proposal does leave room for negotiations on the US controlled northern territory, thank you Trumpy.
Here’s the facts anyone can check with simple google searches, The original version of resolution 2254 called for a 150 member committee to rewrite the Syrian constitution, and it allowed for only 50 reps to be drawn from Assad’s legally elected government, but also forced him to accept 50 reps from the Turkish backed moderate opposition [NFL/SFL/FSA], and 50 from independent agencies, which meant any party at all not currently cooperating with Assad could’ve been included, it could’ve be SDF or anyone else according to the old resolution. And that’s the Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution that Assad’s been refusing to implement for 4 years now. And now all of a sudden the UN sends an envoy to Damascus to try and work out a new deal with Assad, and Assad agrees to the new deal just like that. After 4 years of knocking back the Russian/Iranian/Turkish version of 2254, Assad happily accepts the new amended US version just like that, mmmm gee I wonder why. Find out for yourselves what this all really means, to put it simply, the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution was trying to force Assad into accepting Turkish influence during the constitutional process, and he kept rejecting it, then the US and the UN to sent Assad an envoy to work out a better deal and he did. The UN asked Assad what he wanted and Assad told them, and to everyone’s surprise including mine, the UN has agreed to every single one of Assad’s demands, EVERY SINGLE ONE, I’ll say it again EVERY SINGLE ONE. That’s the true story and it’s all easy to find. The US just saved Assad with this new amended version of the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution, and now Assad’s free to exclude the Tuks completely from any future negotiations concerning the committee makeup, that’s why he’s accepted the new US version so quickly [just a few days] and rejected the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish version for 4 years. This is a real slap in the face for Putin, Assad’s rejected his proposal and accepted the US one instead, what do you all think that really means, I do, the US doesn’t want the Turks in Syria, and they just threw Assad a lifeline to help him stop them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and both the US’s and Assad’s common enemy right now is Erdogan. Good on you Trump, you’ve been saying Assad can stay in power since June last year, you also told the SDF to renegotiate with Assad earlier on in January the same year [50 delegations sent in 3 months], then this year you said you wanted to get out of Syria altogether but didn’t trust Erdogan not to invade after you did, and now finally you send an Envoy to Assad to work out a better deal for him than even the Russians or Iranians did, you’re the best enemy Assad’s ever had, you’re doing more for him now than even his own allies do, so God bless both Trump and Assad, and F-ck Erdogan and his 2 stooges Iran and Russia, with friends like them who needs enemies. So nobody call me an anti Russian troll or a pro US stooge, I’m neither, I’m just plain and simply pro Assad, and the facts are the facts, so don’t call me names before you go find out for yourself what’s really happened, do some research yourself and work out what the truth is for yourself. If you’re too lazy to do even that just ask yourself this, why would Assad after 4 years of rejecting the old Russian/Iranian/Turkish resolution, all of a sudden accept a new US backed amended version of the resolution after just a few days of negotiations, there is only one explanation for that.
The SDF should be looked at as a terrorist organisation by China, Russia, India, Brazil, Iran etc…