US Fighter Jet Downed Iranian-made Armed Drone Over Syria – Reports

Well at least this Su-22 in Raqqa province *was* sent into battle with (Russian top) cover it seems. The only conceivable threat for that top cover to guard against, was being shot down by the US. Assad and the SyAF learned the hard way that such top cover is–fake.

Assad is far from perfect, and sure he sends troops into battle knowing that losses will be inevitable even though progress is being made as well. Is that being a terrible leader? I’d call it a hard decision.

No, he sends them in without cover, no protection. That’s what makes him a terrible leader.

At this stage Syria has no chance and you right, the SAA will lose. That’s I specifically wrote in my statement Syria need better military hardware, before can stand up against americans and again Syria is destroyed, all cities are almost flat, therefore for Syria does not make a difference if some cities will be level even more. You don’t want start war after you rebuild your country

The hardware you call for, Syria has no ability to operate, maintain or protect. It is better, and far cheaper to proceed as the Syrians do right now. While the situations is untenable as is in high points of any conflict, there is going to be a flare, some people will die on both sides, and the mainstream of war will go on with the momentum behind the SAA and their allies. An attack on Americans would lead to a massive response that could change that. Never change anything while you are winning.

You can’t have such approach as: ability to operate, maintain or protect. As you will never be able to accomplish. They need to get those weapons now and while they wining the war with ISIS, tested and training and experience the new weapons and in time and the time will come the SAA will be ready.

In the mean time, there are more pressing concerns.

Yes, the are, but are not stoppers do other things, such as above

Nah, Syria is not winning. It’s losing. If Syria defines winning the war as kicking all the foreigners out and exerting Syrian government sovereignty over all regions of Syria, it had better think of a way of attacking USA successfully NOW. The longer it puts off doing that, the more entrenched the US will be and the more able it will be able to defeat Syrian forces. It will start building bases in captured territory. It will start making the SDF people the legitimate government of the various towns they take over. Syria will have a much harder time then.

And John Doe is right. When it’s a battle between a weaker nation and a powerful invader, the weaker nation has to take lots of losses if it’s going to win. There is no getting around that. What a weaker nation can do is make the sacrifices in order to inflict unbearable losses on the other side. Normally, an invader has an upper limit on the losses it’s going to take before it withdraws. This is much lower than that for the invaded nation. So that’s what the Syrians can do. They will take a hit but they can make strikes at the US too, and make it intolerable for them to stay. The people back home won’t accept a high loss. This isn’t really Vietnam or even Korea, so they aren’t going to keep shelling out money for it. The war in Syria never had much support back home so Assad has this on his side.

And as John Doe said, there is no point building and then starting a war after that. The country is already devastated in many parts — Syria doesn’t have much to lose from that point of view.

Whether this war happens against the Americans or not depends on Assad, whether he has the will to do this or not.

As I said, he doesn’t have much to lose. At this rate, SDF and USA will take over large chunks of the nation. Assad controlled Syria will be down to half. So he will lose half of Syria and the lost part can be called something else.

If that’s what he wants, he should go ahead. He might get one or two ISIS towns, but what would be the point. He will have a US puppet as a neighbor.

He needs to decide NOW what he wants for the end game. If he doesn’t make up his mind, what happened in the past few days is going to keep repeating. The SDF will keep muscling in on whatever area they want to take over. If SAA come too close, the SDF will call its attack dogs, the USAF, to shoot at the SAA forces on the ground or in the air.

SAA will grumble that it wasn’t shooting at SDF, which everyone knows is true, and its troops will remain unprotected. Assad is being selfish sending his troops to advance without adequate protection. Don’t advance or make them advance but give them adequate protection. And if that protection involves shooting down American planes, so be it.

Assad has to make up his mind. The USA doesn’t care about rules of engagement or what safe zones Russia has set up or who Assad’s troops were aiming at. Their mission is to take over as much territory as they can and to weaken Assad’s army as much as possible by taking pot shots at it.

Assad has shown he’s totally unprepared for this war. He has no strategy. He has been outwitted since the war started.

I really advise him to step down and let a stronger and more capable leader take over the reins of government.

The SAA are losing faith in him. You can’t trust a leader who sends you into a battle zone and leaves you unprotected.

The Americans do not care. At this stage, they are just killing machines. They follow orders. They are given a mission and they will do anything to achieve the goal of that mission, regardless of whether they have to lie and act otherwise immorally. They know they are in the wrong, invading a nation that has done nothing wrong, but MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.

You can whine all you want and plead your case in the UN, but at the end of the day, might will win out.

If this keeps happening: Assad sending his troops here and there, and they get attacked by the US, even the troops might start rebelling.

Assad has to regroup and rethink his strategy because the current one is failing and his troops are dying without any cover.

If the troops are dying in a situation where the leader gives them cover but the battle is hard, troops are willing to make the sacrifice and head into dangerous areas. When the leader doesn’t give them any cover, troops are understandably upset about this. Assad looks weak. Since this has happened, all he’s done is whine. Whining may get you some sympathy, but sympathy doesn’t win the war. He needs to protect his troops OR NOT SEND THEM OUT THERE.

Assad has to a lot of thinking to do. What does he want from the war? How many troops is it worth sacrificing for that goal?

My advice is go for the Big Win. Appoint someone as president, who will take over the role that Assad is doing at the moment, directing the war, and Assad can create a new position, as prime minister, and take over that position. In this role, he can do ceremonial duties and act as an ambassador and so on. It will mainly be a ceremonial position. In this way, people can have the continuity of leadership and it won’t look as if Syria is giving in to the USA’s demands for change of government or “regime change” as they call it, and Syria will have the benefit of a better leader who can handle the current crisis better.

Then this new leader should think about a new strategy of getting rid of America from the nation.

SAA is not gonna lose

No, it’s not a new conept. In fact, US armor was surprised by the abundance of Komet-Es in the hands of Iraqi troops during the Iraq War. Caused some adjustments, but it didn’t alter the timeline for the drive on Baghdad.

So then maybe your previous propaganda post about the killing of Sadam was a misrepresentation that you do not actually believe. Sadam got hit by an overwhelming force. I made a comment regarding introduction of US Abram platform into a theater where it will not make a large impact. Thank you for your thought. I can tell that you are on here to talk smack rather than discuss, i have no use for that.

You seem to have seriously misunderstood my post. I gave you zero propaganda, and 100% historical facts about the war in Iraq. Not sure which part of my post you misunderstood.

Sadam was attacked twice, both times his army, which was one of the largest in the world was destroyed by US air power. The contribution of US armor did more to spread uranium based munitions and expose our soldiers to hazard that create meaningful impact on the battle field even then. Today, these tanks can be best described as a grave for three brothers.

You wrote “30 years ago these tanks were impressive, today they would be burning all over Syria due to advancement in portable missile technology.” My point was that U.S. armored divisions have already faced just such a threat. It did not slow them down back then, it would not slow them down now (and, of course, they’d go in with CAS).

As to DU, I know something about this, and I can assure you that I would have no qualms sleeping next to DU munitions for the rest of my life.

There have been substantial improvements in armor penetrators, current generation of Anti Tank weapons substantially increases the lethality of highly mobile AT squads. You may not have issues with depleted uranium, but if you knew more about the subject, and the DNA damage that results, you might feel differently.

“Tanks are not the tech of the future” So why would the Russian army put in an order for 2300 T-14 if tanks are not the future?

Russia is a land power but tanks are still not the tech of the future. Armata concentrates on a small cruebprotected by a capsule because Russians know that. There future versions will be robotic

they were not slowed down, necause they bribed iraqi generals and they did not fight.

not only that.

Their families are likely in danger too as the radioactive material can embed into clothes and stay there even after several regular washes.

Sure, remove closing step 1 after checking airway and pulse.

wtf is that supposed to mean?

I was responding to your comment about how to handle a person exposed to a toxin or a radioactive substance, you make sure they are breathing, they got a pulse, then you cut of their clothing and wash them. That is is the protocol.

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