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NOVEMBER 2024

Western Experts Urge US To Start Talks With Russia Before “It’s Too Late”

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Western Experts Urge US To Start Talks With Russia Before “It’s Too Late”

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Acceptance is growing in the West that Russia controls the situation in Ukraine.

Written by Ahmed Adel, Cairo-based geopolitics and political economy researcher

With the war in Ukraine waging since February 24 and no immediate end in sight, Western commentators and experts have begun urging the US and its allies to start talks with Russia over the situation in Ukraine before its “too late.”

Samuel Charap, senior political scientist at the RAND Corporation, and Jeremy Shapiro, research director at the European Council on Foreign Relations, urged in an opinion piece published in the New York Times for the West to continue providing material support for the Ukrainian military, but in close consultation with Kiev to “begin opening channels of communication with Russia” as “an eventual cease-fire should be the goal, even as the path to it remains uncertain.”

With the US having pledged about $24 billion in military aid to Ukraine, more than four times Ukraine’s 2021 defence budget, in addition to other countries pledging another $12 billion, the authors claim that although the West are committed to helping Ukraine, they do not want to escalate the conflict into a major power war.

“For as long as both Russia and the West are determined to prevail over the other in Ukraine and prepared to devote their deep reserves of weapons to achieve that goal, further escalation seems almost preordained,” the experts wrote.

They stress that discussions are absolutely necessary, despite being politically risky, as the war in Ukraine has the potential to bring Russia and NATO into direct conflict. An argument can be made that Russia and NATO are already in direct conflict as the Atlantic bloc already provides weapons and training to the Ukrainian military and encourages former soldiers and volunteers to fight against Russian forces. This is in addition to espionage and surveillance assistance, diplomatic and political support, and medical aid.

According to the authors, Russia has red lines, which although are not exactly known in their entirety, they can be assumed. The experts give the example that if the Ukrainians are given particular systems or capabilities that could directly target Russian territory, it is likely that Moscow will consider that as a red line being crossed. It is for this reason that when US President Joe Biden recently announced that Ukraine would be supplied with multiple-launch rocket systems, the longest-range munitions that could strike Russia were withheld.

“The premise of the decision was that Moscow will escalate — i.e. launch an attack against NATO — only if certain types of weapons are provided or if they are used to target Russian territory,” they claimed. “The goal is to be careful to stop short of that line while giving the Ukrainians what they need to ‘defend their territory from Russian advances,’ as Mr. Biden said in a statement in June.”

To the experts, this creates a conundrum as for now the West is unwilling to send their military forces directly to Ukraine, but a Russian victory is unacceptable. At the same time, if Ukraine somehow succeeded in halting Russia’s advance thanks to the help of Western weapons, that would constitute an unacceptable defeat for Moscow, which could compel the Russian military to “double down” in its operation.

Charap and Shapiro stress that “The determination of both the West and Russia to do whatever it takes to prevail in Ukraine is the main driver of escalation” and that only through talks can a de-escalation begin. As they say, “The best way to prevent that dynamic from getting out of control is to start talking before it’s too late.”

Although the pair are undoubtedly correct in their analysis that talks are the best way to resolve the conflict, what they do omit is the complete unwillingness from the Ukrainian side since 2014 to discuss issues, as well as the encouragement Kiev receives from Washington and London to not engage in negotiations with Moscow. The very crisis in Ukraine today is because of Kiev’s refusal to negotiate and discuss, whilst committing towards a path of ultra-nationalism, militarisation and even nuclearization.

The two analysts in this way do not necessarily say anything profound as discussions were always the way to resolve the issues between Moscow and Kiev, even before the events of 2014. The problem is that they do not highlight that Kiev, with encouragement from Washington, is completely unwilling to engage in discussions despite Moscow’s willingness.

There may be some gaps in their analysis, but more importantly, having experts from RAND and the European Council on Foreign Relations urging in the New York Times for discussions to begin to end the war in Ukraine is a major narrative shift from the encouragement for prolonged fighting usually found in influential Western think tanks and media outlets, including by these three aforementioned institutions.

With the special military operation continuing for half a year and with no end in sight, Western analysts grossly underestimated Russia’s determination, overestimated Ukraine’s capabilities and miscalculated the effectiveness of sanctions. Now there is a growing acceptance in the academic and media sphere that Russia is in full control of the situation in Ukraine and it alone decides when its military operation will conclude. Because of this reality, it may be in the best interest of the West to open serious negotiations as it could be the only way to have any influence over the outcome of the conflict. The political classes of the West are yet to accept this reality though.

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Cromwell

Those bastards lost the chance to talk now the Russians will settle it on the Battlefield,then they can talk.

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NATO's PROXYTUTE

. Sun Tzu : He who failed to walk the talk should dive in the meat grinder to make a fleshy paper tiger.!

Russia should teach Beijing how to deal with Western bloc losers.

NATO's PROXYTUTE

The author failed to recognise the reason why the group of US UK EU NATO are not interested to end this war… It’s because all of them would be prosecuted for all the crimes against humanity that they’ve collectively committed in collaboration with Ukrainians, and many other crimes in violation of international laws.. Legal charges would be leveled in cooperation with their once Ukrainian partners who will naturally switch sides to the Victors RF forces that guarantees conviction with Ukrainian corroboration. And that’s a war to be fought to the last of Ukrainian in order to eliminate all potential witnesses who might testify in tribunal/courts leaving the NATO defenseless, a parallel of Nuremberg trial.

Jimmu Tenno

Tremenda verdad

kotromanic

They just want a cease fire like all the times in syria to rearm and redeploy. Either go all in or surrender to the US there is no other choice for russia as is for china. The US does not accept anyone on this world as a nonvasal state.

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Yuri

no reason to talk to amerikans–degenerate lgbt morons…”amerikants are ignorant and unteachable”. George Santayana

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Matt

Wow!… While Putin called this out https://www.aol.com/news/russia-says-united-states-directly-123123782-133516210.html 10 years late…

What is he going to “say” and “do” about his membership in the “UN Clubh0u$e”!?…

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Muhammad your Prophet

The HIMARS are doing all the talking just fine. Maybe Putin’s elite inner circle should go ahead and rip off all of Putin’s teeth. That way they’ll finally shut up the pathetic Russian president. The fucking idiot is a military amateur. He still thinks he has any leverage after killing 40,000 of his own Russian soldiers.

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Gustavo

Don’t show up your ignorance !

Muhammad your Prophet

The fucking Russian morons just destroyed their own ammunition depot trying to cover it with smoke. Even when the HIMARS are not firing missiles they’re still destroying the Putin terrorists.

Gustavo

The nazi-fascist government of Ukraine will lost very soon the access to the Black Sea (access to Anosov Sea has already lost). Then, maybe USA-NATO can tell the joyer jew nazi-fascist of Zelensky to make peace talk with Russia.

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Clubofinfo

You can’t win a war without disabling the opponent’s capacity to wage war like in WW2, there is a reason that war took so much effort to win. All Russia’s capabilities are on its territory and it basically has an entire continent, at no point will Russia lose the ability to bomb every part of Ukraine and the ability to kill anyone in Ukraine, and no Western weapon or internet shitpost makes any difference

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thoughtful

I can win at chess by losing all of my pieces.

Yuri

capacity is complex or vague—mainly this reduces to an awareness that nothing can be gained….the US capitulation to china in 1953 did not disable or the Chinese capitulation to Vietnam in 1979 also

jimbojames

Maybe everybody knows this, or it’s common knowledge that it needn’t ever be mentioned, but the US of A thinks Crimea is theirs.

They think they won it, as a result of all the hard work they put into the coup, and thus earned it. At this point, ’til they are made to face facts, the US of A will never concede Crimea. That is why they’ve always said no to negotiations. This is their crazy red-line. ‘Til they get Crimea for a naval base, they will never stop. The entire war is being fought over the Crimea.

The US of A wants it, thinks it’s theirs, won it (fair and square) as a result of the coup. That’s all they, them, those who run the US of A military empire, care about. Nothing else matters to these depraved, deluded, corrupted animals.

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Maju

Sure thing but Russia is relatively comfortable letting the war go on at their own rhythm and with their own goals. Time is on their side and they have been fooled so many times in past negotiations (Malta, Minsk, Ukraine’s farcical “peace talks” recently) that this time they are betting for causing energy collapse in core Europe and force its states to negotiate one by one. IMO there won’t be peace at least some time into 2023. Only then the sense of socio-economic urgency, including quite possible (and already active to some extent) social unrest and growing frictions between polities within EU and NATO, will force the West to negotiate piecemeal. Russia is not interested on making a deal with the USA, much less with such an openly hostile government such as Biden’s.

Considering how West and East Asia are spiralling into war or something close to it and how the West is losing its grip on Africa, Asia and Latin America even, Russia should just continue hammering Ukraine until at least Europeans become aware of our predicament, what won’t happen until we experience a winter with energy rationing, industrial closures and, as I said, quite probably more extreme social unrest than around 2011 (derived from 2008 sub-prime crisis and US imperialist derivation of the costs to Europe via “austericide”, anything but let the real state bubble burst and the big banks to suffer as they deserve way too much).

As long as Russia is mildly comfortable with the situation (and it is), they should not negotiate beyond curtsies. Unless they are offered something really really good, I guess, but even that they should take with utmost caution.

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Yuri

more territory liberated each month–never to return to nazi ukies…USA#1 moron will cry and rage like feminized hitler but never leave her Oregon trailer park

Antitrolltroller

Hear hear. Well said. Spot on. Unfortunately there is only 14 of us that are on the same page here. What’s up all you other commentators? Maju’s comments and thinking are the same as my beliefs of how the world is really run. The global elite and powerful banking and financial cartel. Cheers Maju. 👍

Bobo

If the Biden family want to bring both the US and west Europe into a war with Russia. Then the west should be aware that the millions who will die as a result of any conflict will do so purely for the US Democrat party and the Biden family. Poland Germany and Israel are the main players here along with the UK government and their agencies. In short they will never get a fast jet off the ground and their leopard and Abraham tanks will never be given the chance to cross into Russian territory. In a blink they will return to the stone age.

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Tommy Jensen

These experts got it wrong. US dont talk, we shoot…………………………..LOL.

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marty

Yourselves in the foot…repeatedly. There fify.

Vanya

Difficult to imagine Putin the Mild using nuclear weapons, he can’t even manage to find the will to blow up a couple bridges.

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Peter's Principal Lap Dog

Just heard Stoltenberg responding to questions from Mike Wallace. Stoltenberg is a complete moron.

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Jimmu Tenno

¿Stoltenberg? mejor es llamarlo stontonberg, es repulsivo parece una gota de la flema de la boca allien

Yuri

impossible to converse w feminized amerikan coward—too stupid peurile primitive…excepting jens who is the same

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Johan P

Why would Russia be interested in talking now? The west has insulted them repeatedly and are now depleting their own stocks of weapons, fighting the war by proxywhile claiming they are not involved. Putin has been asking the west to talk and work together on the Ukraine issue since 2014 and the west all but spat in his face. And now they are losing big-time they want to talk? They had more than 8 years to talk, the time for talking is over.

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Jimmu Tenno

Realmente espero que en Moscú tengan ese punto de vista, pero con el abuelo Lavrov y incluso el mismo Putin rodeado en su círculo político por pro atlantistas me temo que aún viven pensando en integrarse al occidente pero conservando ucrania, a pesar de los escupitajos que vienen incluso desde tiempos de la URSS

Reality Check

The subject of these discussions should be: 1. Shape of the table where the talks will begin. 2. The temperature of the room, if in Europe. 3. Seating arrangement, who sits where. 4. Lunch menu selections This should take a month or two

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Tom Sawyer

tranny USA #1 obese trannys

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Martillo

TRANSLATION… The angloZionaZi empire of shit is getting a severe ass kicking day in day out in what’s left of rump Ukropland and has lost all credibility with the rest of the planet.

Pull the chain and flush that filthy stinky NATOstan turd already.

To Odessa, before General Winter marches in from the East.

Z and more Z until the depraved EUSSR collapses and USSA is smoking from civil war.

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