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Written by Eric Zuesse
The Guardian headlined on November 11th, “Ex-Nato chief proposes Ukraine joins without Russian-occupied territories: Former secretary general says partial membership would warn Russia it cannot stop Ukraine joining the alliance”, and didn’t cite the source of their report or when Rasmussen allegedly said this.
Yahoo News on November 11th headlined “Ukrayinska Pravda: Former NATO Secretary General suggests accepting Ukraine into Alliance with no guarantees for occupied territories”, and gave as its “Source: The Guardian, citing Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Former Secretary General of NATO, as reported by European Pravda,” though the Guardian’s report didn’t even mention “Pravda.”
On November 2nd, Ukraine’s Pravda headlined “Former NATO Secretary General calls for inviting Ukraine to join Alliance before war ends”, which allegation is different from what the Guardian and Yahoo were alleging, which was simply that the currently Kiev-ruled parts of Ukraine should be admitted into NATO as soon as possible, so as to send “a clear message to Russia that any violation of Nato territory would be met by a response.” Instead, the November 2nd Pravda asserted that,
Quote: “The sooner we do it, the sooner we will end the war,” he added. Therefore, in his opinion, the issue of Ukraine’s membership in the Alliance should be resolved first, and only then can the end of the war with Russia come.”
The former head of NATO is convinced that the members of the Alliance will be able to achieve unity on this issue.
When asked how to solve the problem of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty regarding collective self-defence in the event of Ukraine’s accession, Rasmussen mentioned one of the options: when the effect of the article extends only to the territory controlled by Ukraine.
He believes that such a decision will actually protect almost the entire territory of Ukraine from Russian aggression and will allow Ukrainian forces to be involved in operations outside the contact line to put pressure on the occupying forces of the Russian Federation.
Rasmussen emphasised that the period of time between Ukraine’s invitation to NATO and its membership should be as short as possible. And at this time, Ukraine must have security guarantees from the Alliance. …
The former secretary of NATO said, if Ukraine is told that it cannot be invited to join the Alliance while the full-scale war is ongoing on the part of Russia, Vladimir Putin will be given an “excuse to continue the war indefinitely”.
The Pravda report was sourced to “Source: Rasmussen in an interview with the Finnish news agency STT, as European Pravda reports,” but did not link to the source-news-report itself; so, like those others it was actually unsourced.
Here is the closest that I’ve yet gotten to the original, the alleged STT news-report: Link1, Link2, Link3, Link4
Published: 02/11/2023 22:02
As a former NATO secretary said, if Ukraine is told that it cannot be invited to join the Alliance while there is a full-scale war on Russia’s side, Vladimir Putin will receive “an excuse to continue the war indefinitely.”
Rasmussen believes the Alliance should state clearly: Ukraine [already is and] will remain a NATO member regardless of what Putin does.
– The sooner we do this, the sooner we will end the war – he added. Therefore, in his opinion, the issue of Ukraine’s membership in the Alliance should be resolved first, and only then can the war with Russia end.
Rasmussen confident of the agreement of member states
The former head of NATO is convinced that the members of the Alliance will manage to achieve unity on this issue.
When asked about how to solve the problem of Art. 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty on collective self-defense in the event of Ukraine’s accession, Rasmussen mentioned one option: when the effect of the article extends only to the territory controlled by Ukraine.
He believes that such a decision will actually secure almost the entire territory of Ukraine against Russian aggression and will enable Ukrainian forces to be involved in actions beyond the line of contact in order to put pressure on the occupation forces of the Russian Federation.
Rasmussen emphasized that the period between Ukraine’s invitation to NATO and its membership should be as short as possible. And right now, Ukraine should receive security guarantees from the Alliance.
– It would be the same as what was done in the case of Finland and Sweden – concluded the former Secretary General.
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In short: Rasmussen was saying that the reason why the war is dragging on this long is that Putin wants to drag it on for as long as he can, and that NATO isn’t yet being allowed to enter directly and fully into Ukraine’s war against Russia, and Rasmussen assumes that if and when Ukraine will be a NATO member, that would put a stop to the bloodshed because Russia is to blame entirely for the war (which only Russia wants), and ONLY the entrance of NATO into the war can bring peace there: only decisive force by NATO can bring peace in Ukraine.
The reason for the war’s continuation isn’t that NATO countries continue to flood their armanents into ukraine in a war for NATO to conquer Russia, nor is it that the U.S. Government is determined to position its nuclear missiles on Ukraine’s border just 317 miles away from beheading within five minutes Russia’s central command in The Kremlin — which Russia won’t allow, which is the actual reason why Russia on 24 February 2022 invaded Ukraine in this war by America that had started with America’s 2014 coup which installed a rabidly anti-Russian regime in Ukraine.
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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse’s new book, AMERICA’S EMPIRE OF EVIL: Hitler’s Posthumous Victory, and Why the Social Sciences Need to Change, is about how America took over the world after World War II in order to enslave it to U.S.-and-allied billionaires. Their cartels extract the world’s wealth by control of not only their ‘news’ media but the social ‘sciences’ — duping the public.
speaking through his ass and sitting on his brains, russia made it very clear that no part of ukraine can be part of nato !
your kind dont decide mebers for nato as well as eu.
you are not even a part of europe. un says go home.
our kind doesn’t give a damn shit on you or fogh rasmussen. now fuck of.
we see that. some 141 countries in un ask russia to retreat.
now we have this instead of 5.000 died for maidan.
i admit to inferiority racism and senile anxiety disorder—glue sniff seroquel and prozac reduce my incontinence
ce poate sa spună : o păcăleală.. da bine la ue si nato
🤣🤣😂😂😂 of course idiots from croatia, slovenia, hungary, slovakia, the czech republic, etc. go to the first line of the new border. this shit needs to be killed like a rabid dog
absolutely mate!
it says all one needs to know about “nato” aka the limp north amerikan terrorist organ, when all its euro peon “bosses” are miniature girly men with big mouths and very small intellects. it’s all over in rump ukrapland apart from the inevitable sealing of the land locked bucolic “paradise” that will remain after mother russia liberates odessa (russian since 1794).
and then chops off the nazi bits (a gift to poland and the hungarians get their bit back.) meanwhile the evil eussr slash natostan hasn’t gotten the memo.
they are brave and reformed electing a jew as president in the putin history book. se funny.
greetings from where the dollar callased 3 time last week too, and we freezing and starving too.
if its jews running the joint, they are doing a dammed good job.
shaddap, ukrapicunt
we good comtuters cant send smel.
are you fake senile holmo on prozac or the lgbt homo that retired as toilet scrubber 17 years ago due to mental illness?
thank you for notice–in my amerikunt colony i am irrelevant
i never wrote that
we all moron in dumbmark–colonized by american hillbilly we submissively pay 65% income tax invest in zelensky coffin factory and lick american boot
rasmussen is nuttier than a box of squirrel turds. slovakia and hungary will never allow ukraine into nato, and it shows how desperate they are, as he’s willing to throw away nato rules in the last ditch effort to keep ukraine in their orbit. all this would do is start wwiii. maybe that’s what they want, but it won’t end the way they want it to.
ask told above fogh rasmussen is right wing.
apart from that we can excute members, which dont follow rules and intensions.
im so tired paying and supporting them in eu as well. they live in the old days. better if they join russa and russia pay. .
that’s assuming that russia would be intimidated by nato expanding into ukrapistan.
it won’t be … russia is fully ready to engage in hostilities with nato — and doing so now is every bit as feasible as doing so later.
ukrapistan is an existential threat to russia’s security — and no amount of nato posturing is going to change that.
🫵🤡 😆😆😆
you dont get it. putin gives fire and wind.
we has kept minsk2. ukras and russian has not. russia even has invaded ukraine.
we and the world will not accept that. if ukraine becomes a semi nato country, we can send troops in. and will.
putin expand nato. now finland and sweden prefare nato instead of – just friends.
my brain fog afflicted me for 72 years—now i senile no fog only hallucinations
if they do that, russia will flatten ukraine and it is game over for nato/europe. never they will find the whole block to vote ukraine in.
after the murder of olof palme by the cia (for sticking his nose into the us’s backyard in central america) the nordics are now uncle sam’s dogs, rasmussen is the danish dog. jens stoltenberg the norwegian dog, there was another swedish dog in kosovo.
anders rasmussen is a first class”idiot!”.okay let’s see us-nato do that.he think’s vladimir v putin and the russian’s duma and people will stand for ukraine nazi-nato on their border.this idiot will wake up in hell after russian nukes have wiped him and his ilk from earthly existence!.
its fore sure will not accept the russian versions at all.
you confirm ot too. how can some 2,15% nazis run ukriane having not a seat in the partament or a ministers? if they has taken a jew as pesident too. ¨
and the jews. there are less 100.000 and in fx poland less then 25.000.
anders fogh rasmussen is idiot at all. he was elected as premiare minister for years.before that is were only minister.
next he was elected nato’s generalsekretær and a bilderbeger.
he is for free and sober trade crossing and kind of expect in effective farming and economy. therefore he see parts of ukriane very well.
very much russians already has nuked themself. your socalled russian people are not even i there. they are 99% kept away and even add posters in the street. now they has putin less added to the stalin one – and they not even know.
your kind invaded ukraine. and we help them. they now can defend the better. sure sure they are a dirty ussr leftover. but its theirs.
i wonder what russi give them. short lives, better vodkater saving pension or what.